Buggy can't be cut, regardless of whether haki is used or not.
didn't know that ! panels pls ?
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Wait whatttttttttt?
I never knew this:)
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didn't know that ! panels pls ?
Well it's just logic really.
CoA allows a haki user to strike the real body beneath a DF transformation eg. Vergo being able to strike the smoke parts of Smoker during their fight on PH.
In Buggy's case, he isn't transforming, he's splitting his body apart entirely, so the assailant ends up cutting nothing at all.
As such, even people using Haki would be unable to cut Buggy.
Edit : Essentially the only way Buggy could ever be cut would be if he was in contact with Kairoseki at the time (like how Marco was shot with Kizaru's lasers) or if the user of the Yami Yami no Mi was physically holding him (like how Teach was able to strike Ace).
So in essence, being unable to cut Buggy is irrelevant as to whether Mihawk was serious or not during Marineford.
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Well it's just logic really.
i expected that much :ninja: u said it like it was a fact tho
CoA allows a haki user to strike the real body beneath a DF transformation eg. Vergo being able to strike the smoke parts of Smoker during their fight on PH.
In Buggy's case, he isn't transforming, he's splitting his body apart entirely, so the assailant ends up cutting nothing at all.
As such, even people using Haki would be unable to cut Buggy.
it's quite known that haki enables the user to get to the enemy's real body whether he's a logia or a paramecia it doesn't matter
luffy doesn't transform either his body naturally doesn't accommodate pain but once u use haki u can get to his "real" body thus be able to inflict pain on the body part touched
based on that once the sword get to buggy's real body via haki it's only natural to expect him being cut !EDIT : i guess if buggy was fast enough to split his body before the sword get to him he won't be cut (which wasn't the case with mihawk)
and i'd like to argue that mihawk didn't use haki back then because he didn't have to , he was aiming for luffy and a hakiless attack would be more than enough to cut luffy
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Sea stone doesn't turn off powers it should just limit it's activation just like the sea, so only Blackbeard can.
Its the weird area for luffy and buggy's powers, they don't turn into something or can do something amazing, they are always in an altered state
I guess like alvida, even in the sea she would be slippery .
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i expected that much :ninja: u said it like it was a fact tho
Lol sorry if it seemed that way, but I can't see how this can be disputed with our current knowledge of Buggy's abilites and how CoA can negate the abilities of DF.
it's quite known that haki enables the user to get to the enemy's real body whether he's a logia or a paramecia it doesn't matter
luffy doesn't transform either his body naturally doesn't accommodate pain but once u use haki u can get to his "real" body thus be able to inflict pain on the body part touched
based on that once the sword get to buggy's real body via haki it's only natural to expect him being cut !Luffy's body has been permanently transformed into rubber, with his real body beneath it.
Like I said, with Buggy his real body is never in the firing line because of how his ability works, it's beneath each individual piece that he splits into.
As such, haki wouldn't make a difference.
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Sea stone doesn't turn off powers it should just limit it's activation just like the sea, so only Blackbeard can.
Its the weird area for luffy and buggy's powers, they don't turn into something or can do something amazing, they are always in an altered state
I guess like alvida, even in the sea she would be slippery .
Yeah, you're totally right actually, I forgot about how Luffy's abilities remained acttive while submerged at Arlong Park.
So yeah, only the user of the YYnM would be able to negate Buggy's ability to the point of him being cuttable.
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I miss simple devil fruits.
Mr5 wouldn't be able to explode but would still be immune to explosions, with sea stone, even haki explosions.
And alvida is just plain inmune to almost all forms of physical damage.
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Lol sorry if it seemed that way, but I can't see how this can be disputed with our current knowledge of Buggy's abilites and how CoA can negate the abilities of DF.
never said it negates the power , if it was established that you can get to the real body with haki i can't see how a hakied sword can't cut buggy's body
Luffy's body has been permanently transformed into rubber, with his real body beneath it.
Like I said, with Buggy his real body is never in the firing line because of how his ability works, it's beneath each individual piece that he splits into.
i don't really know what you mean by the real body being beneath the artificial one or if it was ever explained that way
anyway this real body doesn't have a specific shape it takes the shape the df fruit user takes , it doesn't matter where his real body is the fact that a sword can get to it is enough .. as i said the only way buggy can survive this is by splitting his body before the sword get to him -
anyway this real body doesn't have a specific shape it takes the shape the df fruit user takes , it doesn't matter where his real body is the fact that a sword can get to it is enough .. as i said the only way buggy can survive this is by splitting his body before the sword get to him
You've said it yourself, he splits his body before the sword can get to him.
Therefore it's not striking any part of him at all, transformed or otherwise.
That's why even CoA users can't cut him.
I don't get how this is confusing.
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You've said it yourself, he splits his body before the sword can get to him.
Therefore it's not striking any part of him at all, transformed or otherwise.
That's why even CoA users can't cut him.
I don't get how this is confusing.
except that he doesn't , his body splits simultaneously with the cut going through his body without him even realizing
in the case of hakied cuts the part getting cut is a part of his real body not the artificial one thus his real body ends up getting all the damage
in the case that he predicts where the cut is gonna happen and if he was fast enough he can avoid the sword by intentionally splitting his body before the cut happensi think it's safe to assume it that way whatever applies to the other df users can also apply to buggy's df unless it's proven otherwise i can't see him being the only exception
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I was always under the impression he's immune to normal cutting thanks to his ability. Not very much unlike Luffy's immunity to blunt.
Now, if Mihawk had used CoA on Marineford when he turned Buggy into a stack of pancakes, it would be one bloody stack of pancakes.
If Buggy can split before CoA slash catches him, he should be fine.
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Will there be a chapter this week? Sorry for being out of the topic.
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Oh.. So next week then? Thanks btw.
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Will there be a chapter this week? Sorry for being out of the topic.
No, next week
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I'm the only one who isn't fan of the Haki introduction in the story?
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except that he doesn't , his body splits simultaneously with the cut going through his body without him even realizing
in the case of hakied cuts the part getting cut is a part of his real body not the artificial one thus his real body ends up getting all the damage
in the case that he predicts where the cut is gonna happen and if he was fast enough he can avoid the sword by intentionally splitting his body before the cut happensBuggy doesn't have an artificial body at all, how are you not getting this?
His body just splits, leaving nothing at all to be cut, artificial or real.
There is nothing there for even a haki enhanced slash to hit.
Buggy is essentially always dodging cutting attacks the same way that Kuzan avoided Whitebeard's stab at Marineford, or Caribou avoided Scotch's bullets.
It's just on a much finer level.
i think it's safe to assume it that way whatever applies to the other df users can also apply to buggy's df unless it's proven otherwise i can't see him being the only exception
Maybe in the case of logia fruits, which all share certain characteristics, or various other DF's that have a transformative quality to them.
However, the broad range of DFs (particularly in the paramecia class) makes it impossible for us to just assume that these rules apply to all DFs in general.
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I'm the only one who isn't fan of the Haki introduction in the story?
Why don't you like it?
I feel the pros of haki's introduction severely outweigh the cons, tbh.
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I'm the only one who isn't fan of the Haki introduction in the story?
How will Luffy counter Akainu if it doesn't exist?
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How will Luffy counter Akainu if it doesn't exist?
I suppose we could have had Luffy finding someway to rapidly cool the magma to make it solidify or something along those lines.
…Haki is certainly a lot easier though lol
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I'm sorry, have you followed One Piece?
Vice-Admirals are like… the definition of hype machines for other characters. I think they have, as a group, two victories in total, and that includes Garp, who's been said to refuse Admiral promotion.
I'm pretty awful at making jokes. This one is particularly bad.Should have put the :ninja: sign.
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I'm the only one who isn't fan of the Haki introduction in the story?
I like it. I mean, it's much better than Luffy beating every single Logia through a gimmick like pouring water on them.
What I don't like is the inconsistency with the blackening effect. If I had to guess, I would say Oda didn't plan to add that effect at all, but was convinced to do so by his editors in order for it to be more explicit whenever someone is using Haki or not. But we still see Haki empowered hits with no blackening effect… It is really inconsistent.
I mean, I would be okay with the blackening being an "advanced" use of Armaments Haki, but if that were the case, wouldn't we have seen it at the war in some of the fights? It makes no sense to me why the top dogs would use an inferior version of their haki in such an important fight.
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Buggy doesn't have an artificial body at all, how are you not getting this?
His body just splits, leaving nothing at all to be cut, artificial or real.
There is nothing there for even a haki enhanced slash to hit.
Buggy is essentially always dodging cutting attacks the same way that Kuzan avoided Whitebeard's stab at Marineford, or Caribou avoided Scotch's bullets.
It's just on a much finer level.
I disagree. Haki is supposed to override any devil fruit protection. If Buggy is so good that he can split before the sword even cuts him at any given moment, that's fine. If he can't quite follow the speed in which someone is cutting him while using CoA, he's most likely fucked. I've no doubt Mihawk would have turned him into a mushy red pile of pancakes if he had used Haki.
What you're saying is unproven, at best.
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Why don't you like it?
I feel the pros of haki's introduction severely outweigh the cons, tbh.
True.
But the introduction of Haki created some plotholes (I really don't like to use this word). for exemple Shanks didn't use CoC when he saved Luffy, Crocodile a NW veteran didn't have Haki …
How will Luffy counter Akainu if it doesn't exist?
throw him in the water :ninja:
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I disagree. Haki is supposed to override any devil fruit protection. If Buggy is so good that he can split before the sword even cuts him at any given moment, that's fine. If he can't quite follow the speed in which someone is cutting him while using CoA, he's most likely fucked. I've no doubt Mihawk would have turned him into a mushy red pile of pancakes if he had used Haki.
What you're saying is unproven, at best.
Buggy's ability isn't typical DF protection though.
Haki doesn't override any and all DF protection, it allows a user to strike the real body beneath a transformation. Buggy isn't transforming.
Also, we've seen logia users train themselves to transform on instinct, so why would Buggy not be able to split on instinct?
I mean, look at how effectively he was able to deal with Mihawk's slashes at Marineford;
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Buggy's ability isn't typical DF protection though.
Haki doesn't override any and all DF protection, it allows a user to strike the real body beneath a transformation. Buggy isn't transforming.
Also, we've seen logia users train themselves to transform on instinct, so why would Buggy not be able to split on instinct?
I mean, look at how effectively he was able to deal with Mihawk's slashes at Marineford;
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[/hide]If he can do it on reflex then it's a different story. As you say, any blade would hit air instead of his body.
But converning the Mihawk incident, it's impossible to know if Buggy avoided each slash or if Mihawk actually did cut him, but his DF protection kicked in.
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True.
But the introduction of Haki created some plotholes (I really don't like to use this word). for exemple Shanks didn't use CoC when he saved Luffy, Crocodile a NW veteran didn't have Haki …Well to be fair, Shanks saved Luffy years ago, we have no idea how advanced his use of haki could have been at the time.
In Croc's case, who should he have used haki against?
When he fought Luffy he injured (and defeated) him twice without haki, so him not using it in that instance isn't really a plothole.
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If he can do it on reflex then it's a different story. As you say, any blade would hit air instead of his body.
But concerning the Mihawk incident, it's impossible to know if Buggy avoided each slash or if Mihawk actually did cut him, but his DF protection kicked in.
Very true.
Can you really see Buggy ever actually getting cut though?
I imagine (if it ever does come up) that Oda will go with something similar to the way I've interpreted things.
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Buggy doesn't have an artificial body at all, how are you not getting this?
His body just splits, leaving nothing at all to be cut, artificial or real.
There is nothing there for even a haki enhanced slash to hit.
Buggy is essentially always dodging cutting attacks the same way that Kuzan avoided Whitebeard's stab at Marineford, or Caribou avoided Scotch's bullets.no i get what you're saying , i'm just disagreeing with you
you're assuming that buggy unintentionally splits his body before the cut happens which is a complete speculation on your part
the way it was shown is buggy's body getting sliced by the sword instantaneously not before not after again a hakied sword would cut though his real body as it was explained by old man rayleighyou just said it kuzan and caribou can only avoid these types of attacks by intentionally manipulating their bodies but if they were cut with haki before doing so they'd get hurt and i assume the same would happen with buggy there's no reason to assume otherwise
Maybe in the case of logia fruits, which all share certain characteristics, or various other DF's that have a transformative quality to them
However, the broad range of DFs (particularly in the paramecia class) makes it impossible for us to just assume that these rules apply to all DFs in general.
actually the haki's characteristics when first introduced wasn't only guided for logia but all the devil fruits , so assuming that buggy's fruit is the only irregular would require more than speculations imo
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no i get what you're saying , i'm just disagreeing with you
you're assuming that buggy unintentionally splits his body before the cut happens which is a complete speculation on your part
the way it was shown is buggy's body getting sliced by the sword instantaneously not before not after again a hakied sword would cut though his real body as it was explained by old man rayleighOh dear lord, he doesn't have an artificial body that the haki would be able to bypass.
Buggy's form of defense is nothing like the defenses that Rayleigh talked about.
you just said it kuzan and caribou can only avoid these types of attacks by intentionally manipulating their bodies but if they were cut with haki before doing so they'd get hurt and i assume the same would happen with buggy there's no reason to assume otherwise
They adopt a different style to avoid haki attacks.
I'm saying that Buggy's natural defense is similar to their altered defense.
actually the haki's characteristics when first introduced wasn't only guided for logia but all the devil fruits , so assuming that buggy's fruit is the only irregular would require more than speculations imo
That's why I outlined logia fruits AND other fruits that have transformative qualities.
I'm not saying that Buggy's is the only irregular one, I'm saying we can't assume that there are NO irregular ones.
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Oh dear lord, he doesn't have an artificial body that the haki would be able to bypass.
Buggy's form of defense is nothing like the defenses that Rayleigh talked about.
all i can read is baseless speculations , how would you even know that , and rayleigh was talking about devil fruits in general it's safe to say that every df user has a real body other than that is just baseless
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I really doubt that Kuzan has genuinely gone over to the darkside.
He's probably just trying to get information on Blackbeard's movements and plans.
Burgess is being suspicious of Aokiji because he is a former marine admiral. This does not say anything about his future. Knowing Aokiji, he is probably trying to thwart the Blackbeards by associating with them. His work dark knighting will probably earn the respect of the new establishment following the war, and he'll be deemed a leader.
I will like to agree with you guys but Oda isn't all that predictable, he already knows most will expect Aokiji the good guy to stay good but i don't see that happening with all the hints he has been giving… When King of underworld(criminal side) Doflamingo says he has not been hearing pleasant things about Aokiji, this establishes that Aokiji already got his hands in a bad stuff.
Even smoker himself is starting to doubt Aokiji, is like even him himself is hearing the said "bad rumor" about Aokiji...
Kuzan went out of his way to fight seriously against Akainu because he knows Akainu more than most, Kuzan knows that Akainu is a big cruel monster with Justice on his side. Kuzan may be ready to go to the other side in order to oppose Akainu, and Akainu is the current Fleet Admiral meaning, so anyone who goes against him will be labeled as enemy to Justice including Kuzan. Now imagine someone who has been labeled enemy to justice later becoming fleet Admiral to new marines? i don't think that will sit well with civillians of one piece nor matter if Kuzan fought for the good side.
The 3rd paragraph is just my speculation and assumptions so it shouldn't be taken seriously but rather as a possibility.
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You really think Kuzan is serious about working for Teach?
I thought when Kuzan said "I'm still me, Smoker", that would have cleared things.
Doflamingo said he has heard bad things about Kuzan..
Kuzan gave Smoker that answer because even Smoker was starting to question him. Kuzan can still be himself but go a different path.
Doflamingo even says that Kuzan is a man with a goal and ambition, so Kuzan is after something but I don't see it as trying to take down the big pirates but rather trying to stop Akainu nor matter what.
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Well to be fair, Shanks saved Luffy years ago, we have no idea how advanced his use of haki could have been at the time.
In Croc's case, who should he have used haki against?
When he fought Luffy he injured (and defeated) him twice without haki, so him not using it in that instance isn't really a plothole.
I agree. Shanks probably didn't have CoC at that time.
True, Croco didn't need Haki to hurt Luffy.
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Urogue and Capone, if they are just like part 1, Sanji could win easily. We don't know what they are like in part 2 though. You lost me at saying he could EVER so much as put up a fight against Kid or Law though. They are a completely higher level than him imo. Vergo is but one example, but the point stands that it just isn't going to happen. Hell, Zoro is higher than him these days, which makes sense given who their mentors were as well as the fact Sanji is a cook, Zoro a swordsman.
Lol so someone's goal or ambition determines their strength??? Well say hello to Whitebeard who only wanted a family but ends up as world strongest man, I think you should drop that lame excuse.. Sanji wants to find all blue and Luffy wants to find One piece so tell me what's so different between Luffy and Sanji dream?
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I will like to agree with you guys but Oda isn't all that predictable, he already knows most will expect Aokiji the good guy to stay good but i don't see that happening with all the hints he has been giving… When King of underworld(criminal side) Doflamingo says he has not been hearing pleasant things about Aokiji, this establishes that Aokiji already got his hands in a bad stuff.
Even smoker himself is starting to doubt Aokiji, is like even him himself is hearing the said "bad rumor" about Aokiji...
Kuzan went out of his way to fight seriously against Akainu because he knows Akainu more than most, Kuzan knows that Akainu is a big cruel monster with Justice on his side. Kuzan may be ready to go to the other side in order to oppose Akainu, and Akainu is the current Fleet Admiral meaning, so anyone who goes against him will be labeled as enemy to Justice including Kuzan. Now imagine someone who has been labeled enemy to justice later becoming fleet Admiral to new marines? i don't think that will sit well with civillians of one piece nor matter if Kuzan fought for the good side.
The 3rd paragraph is just my speculation and assumptions so it shouldn't be taken seriously but rather as a possibility.
Dark, this is just wishful thinking on your part. We all want (hopefully I'm speaking for the majority) to see Aokiji go all Darth Vader or Two Face. We all hope Oda isn't going to pull another Corazon with Aokiji and the Blackbeard's. But tell me this, do you realy expect Oda to write Aokiji as someone who 'falls to the Dark Side' when he's saying things like 'I'm still me Smoker'? Of course, the majority could be wrong, and Aokiji has genuinely became so jaded he's sociopathic, but do you really see that happening, because I for one surely don't?
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I need to stress that bounties are not power level rankings but rather threat levels of criminals to the world government especially in the case of someone like Caesar Clown. His knowledge, work with Vegapunk and experiments add to a large tally of the that bounty threat level along with his devil fruit capabilities. While a Yonko commander will be a formiddable fighter and tough guy, not all of those pirates are huge, dangerous threats to the world Governement especially depending on how their Captain is behaving and/or acting.
We don't know unknown bounties so making such assumptions is hard to make as there's no proof. We need to see a high ranking Yonko commanders bounty and a Yonko's bounty to even start to gauge their perceived threat levels of other Yonko. For all we know the yonko may only be on 5-600 million berry line of wanted. Until we see their bounties we simply just don't know.
Bounty is both, bounty is both strength and threat of someone, atleast anyone with a bounty from 400million upwards….
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I think the next time we'll see coby, he'll probably got a fruit…maybe a zoan? It be a good power up for him with his soru n all. I think he'll be more accepted with a fruit rather than getting super strong out of no where even with garps training.
Sorry to break it to you but coby will be the next Garp of the fist, in fighting style that is.
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all i can read is baseless speculations , how would you even know that , and rayleigh was talking about devil fruits in general it's safe to say that every df user has a real body other than that is just baseless
also what's bolded in your quote means that buggy can't be affected even by haki punches .. how does that make sense ?It's common sense based on how his fruit works.
Also, Rayleigh talks about DF's but then specifies how CoA can affect logia users (and by extension transformative DF users).
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c'mon we're not gonna pretend like mihawk was actually trying in that war ! he wasn't using haki even buggy survived his sword
if mihawk can cut "anything" what makes you think that he couldn't cut crocodile's hook now that he can't use haki ? unless that mihawk was slacking off
there's a limit to the progress he could've achieved in mere months (specially that he's in his prime and he's not the MC) and his feats against mihawk and doffy can only be explained by their inactivity imoEven Mihawk says he is not gonna go easy on Luffy yet people believe he wasn't serious? He wasn't even using haki?
Doflamingo wasn't using haki
Crocodile wasn't using haki
kuma wasn't using haki
New world Capatins wasn't using haki enough with this joke.Because post Timeskip Mihawk can use haki doesn't mean he was capable 2 years ago, I'm sure as hell post Timeskip Crocodile will suddenly be spamming haki left and right… Only a flashback to when they were younger will only prove if they had haki back then or not.
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Dark, this is just wishful thinking on your part. We all want (hopefully I'm speaking for the majority) to see Aokiji go all Darth Vader or Two Face. We all hope Oda isn't going to pull another Corazon with Aokiji and the Blackbeard's. But tell me this, do you realy expect Oda to write Aokiji as someone who 'falls to the Dark Side' when he's saying things like 'I'm still me Smoker'? Of course, the majority could be wrong, and Aokiji has genuinely became so jaded he's sociopathic, but do you really see that happening, because I for one surely don't?
All I'm saying is, we have too many hints here and there that Kuzan is probably going after Justice on his own way and this "Kuzan own way" could be against current fleet Admiral Akainu Justice way…
Dragon is trying to overthrow the WG but that doesn't make him evil to us, but still he has the highest bounty and labeled as criminal and seen as one by most. Something like this might happen to Kuzan, a good guy but labeled as a criminal.
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I will like to agree with you guys but Oda isn't all that predictable, he already knows most will expect Aokiji the good guy to stay good but i don't see that happening with all the hints he has been giving… When King of underworld(criminal side) Doflamingo says he has not been hearing pleasant things about Aokiji, this establishes that Aokiji already got his hands in a bad stuff.
Even smoker himself is starting to doubt Aokiji, is like even him himself is hearing the said "bad rumor" about Aokiji...
Kuzan went out of his way to fight seriously against Akainu because he knows Akainu more than most, Kuzan knows that Akainu is a big cruel monster with Justice on his side. Kuzan may be ready to go to the other side in order to oppose Akainu, and Akainu is the current Fleet Admiral meaning, so anyone who goes against him will be labeled as enemy to Justice including Kuzan. Now imagine someone who has been labeled enemy to justice later becoming fleet Admiral to new marines? i don't think that will sit well with civillians of one piece nor matter if Kuzan fought for the good side.
The 3rd paragraph is just my speculation and assumptions so it shouldn't be taken seriously but rather as a possibility.
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Doflamingo said he has heard bad things about Kuzan..
Kuzan gave Smoker that answer because even Smoker was starting to question him. Kuzan can still be himself but go a different path.
Doflamingo even says that Kuzan is a man with a goal and ambition, so Kuzan is after something but I don't see it as trying to take down the big pirates but rather trying to stop Akainu nor matter what.
Doesn't mean that he is serious about it. Also, did you forget about the part where he tells Smoker that the Marines should mobilize against Doula Mongo? If he was doing this to stop Akainu's Marines, why would he be giving them advice?
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All I'm saying is, we have too many hints here and there that Kuzan is probably going after Justice on his own way and this "Kuzan own way" could be against current fleet Admiral Akainu Justice way…
Dragon is trying to overthrow the WG but that doesn't make him evil to us, but still he has the highest bounty and labeled as criminal and seen as one by most. Something like this might happen to Kuzan, a good guy but labeled as a criminal.
Okay, now I understand. You are saying that Aokiji has joined the Dark Side, not with the intention to put it down, but rather to use it to stop Akainu. To be honest, I like this idea. It would make it so Aokiji is able to stay with Blackbeard until the EOS (giving the opportunity for Sanji versus Aokiji), and at the same time preserve Apkiji's intrinsic goodness as a character. Good idea Dark. I hope it comes true.
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Very true.
Can you really see Buggy ever actually getting cut though?
I imagine (if it ever does come up) that Oda will go with something similar to the way I've interpreted things.
I wonder if we'll even see Buggy fighting ever again. Well, maybe in that last arc.
So how would Buggy fare against a Sentomaru style CoA attack (Ashigara Dokkoi)?
Badly?
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Okay, now I understand. You are saying that Aokiji has joined the Dark Side, not with the intention to put it down, but rather to use it to stop Akainu. To be honest, I like this idea. It would make it so Aokiji is able to stay with Blackbeard until the EOS (giving the opportunity for Sanji versus Aokiji), and at the same time preserve Apkiji's intrinsic goodness as a character. Good idea Dark. I hope it comes true.
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Okay, now I understand. You are saying that Aokiji has joined the Dark Side, not with the intention to put it down, but rather to use it to stop Akainu. To be honest, I like this idea. It would make it so Aokiji is able to stay with Blackbeard until the EOS (giving the opportunity for Sanji versus Aokiji), and at the same time preserve Apkiji's intrinsic goodness as a character. Good idea Dark. I hope it comes true.
Apart from the Aokiji vs Sanji part which I'm not so sure of, it's good to know we're on same page here.
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That don't disapprove anything…. Kuzan wouldn't have fought 10 days if he so loves this "Akainu vision of Justice". In fact Kuzan quote there is kinda of sarcastic, "Akainu vision of the marines" not "the marines vision of Justice". Lol Kuzan talk there sounds like a personal issue.
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Not exactly. (Although you're probably right) Aokiji might be giving that advice to the marines as an objective outsider, not as someone who genuinely cares about the marines anymore, and isn't fighting to stop Sakazuki. Until we learn about Aokiji's goals, we won't be able to say whether this theory correct or not. By the way, I'm not saying that I agree with Dark, only that I like the idea of Aokiji fighting against Sakazuki's conception of the marines.
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That don't disapprove anything…. Kuzan wouldn't have fought 10 days if he so loves this "Akainu vision of Justice". In fact Kuzan quote there is kinda of sarcastic, "Akainu vision of the marines" not "the marines vision of Justice".
Of course he doesn't love it, but that doesn't mean he hates it to the point of wanting it to fail.
Which he obviously doesn't want to, or else he wouldn't be giving advice and telling them that they should not fuck it up. He is far more concerned with dangerous criminals than conflicts of philosophies.
If dude is obviously more concerned about Doula Mongo than Akainu, what makes you think that he would truly support Teach against Akainu?
Teach, the guy who released several dangerous inmates 2 years ago and has the power to destroy the world.
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Anyways, KC, regarding that page, what do you think Aokiji meant about Doffy being the single biggest threat to Sakazuki's marines? Personally, I have no idea.
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Of course he doesn't love it, but that doesn't mean he hates it to the point of wanting it to fail.
Which he obviously doesn't want to, or else he wouldn't be giving advice. Dude is obviously more concerned about Doula Mongo than Akainu.
Kuzan definitely doesn't want marines Justice to fail but he also doesn't want Sakazuki as the fleet admiral…. Same can be said with Dragon, he doesn't want the world to go into chaos but he doesn't want WG way of doing things.
It's a matter of, I will rather support the current Justice just to keep order in the world for civillians sake until I get the evil in charge out :ninja:
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Kuzan definitely doesn't want marines Justice to fail but he also doesn't want Sakazuki as the fleet admiral…. Same can be said with Dragon, he doesn't want the world to go into chaos but he doesn't want WG way of doing things.
It's a matter of, I will rather support the current Justice just to keep order in the world for civillians sake until I get the evil in charge out :ninja:
By truly supporting a criminal that can destroy the world?
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Kuzan does not approve Akainu's justice, but that doesn't mean that he wants the Marines to be defeated and that comment he made on that page looks more in tune with what we have learnt in this arc about Dofla. Kuzan pretty much said that Dofla (tenryubito) is the worst nightmare Akainu has to face because the problem is inside and not outside of the institution, if he want to take Dofla he has to take down the WG cuz they won't allow such thing to happen.
