I don't think there was ever such a mentioning of Luffy having made a bad mistake…
I told you it might be some kind of translation mistakes. I myself read the volume only once and of course didn't remember every single line. So, if possible, could someone tell me where can I find the translation for volume 1 or just have a look if you have the volume in different language whether I'm wrong or not? I'm a bit confused by the translation sometimes.:wacko:
I got a possible foreshadowing, but am not so sure of it because it's the Thai translation.
This one traced back a lot too. I got it from the other One Piece forum. The first (or second) volume, Oda said something when Zoro joined the crew. Something like "And Luffy got his first pirate crew, the pirate hunter Roronoa Zoro but he doesn't know that he had done a very wrong mistake" (Something like this, I don't have the volume with me and Thai translation did messed things up sometimes.)
Is this a possible foreshadow that showed that Zoro will someday turned back and fought with Luffy?
I always thought the pact Zoro made with Luffy (i.e. if Luffy got in the way of Zoro's path to achieving his dream, he'll die by his sword), was hinting at a future fight. Just because it was mentioned in the first place, ya know? I doubt it will happen though.
384 showd a good example!!
the Little garden arc wasn't so useless after all!!
Zoro and Luffy did fight; at Whiskey Peak. Otherwise, though, they're too much alike to have some sort of mutiny; afterall, who was the one who worried most about Luffy when he first battled against Crocodile?
I think Oda's best foreshadowing revolves around Usopp's lies. ALL of them start as lies, but they eventually become real. As was mentioned earlier, the giant Goldfish with islands for feces. Usopp also mentioned fighting a mole monster; that sounds a great deal like Miss Merry Christmas.
Now, Usopp always boasted of being a great warrior; as Sogeking, he's demonstrated a number of un-Usoppish traits, even though Sogeking is not much beyond a guise.
I got a possible foreshadowing, but am not so sure of it because it's the Thai translation.
This one traced back a lot too. I got it from the other One Piece forum. The first (or second) volume, Oda said something when Zoro joined the crew. Something like "And Luffy got his first pirate crew, the pirate hunter Roronoa Zoro but he doesn't know that he had done a very wrong mistake" (Something like this, I don't have the volume with me and Thai translation did messed things up sometimes.)
Is this a possible foreshadow that showed that Zoro will someday turned back and fought with Luffy?
I always thought that was about them not having a navigator…if you remember , they start the next chapter lost with no food. But if it's a translation mistake then screw it. I have some forshadowing for you, although now I worry it's just the translation: Shanks telling luffy that he can give the hat back when he becomes a great pirate. now my personal prediction is that Shanks has about the same chance of surviving to the end of the series as a goldfish in a blender on puree, but I still think it's going to be an interesting story when Luffy and Shanks meet again regarding the hat. And here's a thought: What if Usopp has some kind of power he doesn't know about? Something tied with the true history maybe....in that case, he could be MAKING all of his lies come true! That'd be a really interesting twist don'cha think?
And here's a thought: What if Usopp has some kind of power he doesn't know about? Something tied with the true history maybe….in that case, he could be MAKING all of his lies come true! That'd be a really interesting twist don'cha think?
Nah. That's too corny. It's funny when he find out his lies aren't lies afterall though.
Nah. That's too corny. It's funny when he find out his lies aren't lies afterall though.
I dunno, I think you could make a case for it. First of all he's the weakest straw-hat pirate overall, with the least serious-seeming mode of attack, plus he's a coward. This puts his character in a perfect position to have some kind of hidden advantage. Second, Oda has really infused every one of his moves with a purpose so far, even if it's not apparent from the get go. So don't count out Usopp yet.
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The way Luffy wants a musician is could be one…. I guess
I dunno, I think you could make a case for it. First of all he's the weakest straw-hat pirate overall, with the least serious-seeming mode of attack, plus he's a coward. This puts his character in a perfect position to have some kind of hidden advantage. Second, Oda has really infused every one of his moves with a purpose so far, even if it's not apparent from the get go. So don't count out Usopp yet.
As KatanaJon said, this would be to corny. Usopp´s strongest power is his weakness. Yes, as stupid as it sounds that´s his strenght. All hard work, growth (and even humor if you like) comes from the fact that Usopp is a weakling which he needs to surpass somehow. And it´s totally awesome that he, who is an ant in powers compared to most of the others still comes up with something that makes him belong to the rest.
Usopp definitely doesn´t need any kind of special power or DF power because it would ruin everything his character stands for. Many people relate to him because he´s the human among monsters actually. He´s actually the symbol that with hard work you can achieve everything. If he would grow with some whack power (be it DF of something linked to the True History) Oda would actually completely ruin the message.
He is perfect the way he is. He even convinced giants to switch sides and they now even refer to him as "King of Sniping" (which just reminds me what an awesome chapter that was).
Thus meaning that in their family, only the D. is carried on not the last name? OOOOORRRR…their mom's family name started with D..., and she was married 143 times and is over 20331 years old and each time their child got both their parents name. The father's name goes first, then the mothers family name, then the name itself.
Therefore Luffy and Ace and Roger, and Teacher are all half brothers fromt he same mother but different father..
Am i being weird enough to fit in?
I still maintain 'D' is the last name. The whole point of a last name is to classify by lineage, and this is what classifies people of that group.
As KatanaJon said, this would be to corny. Usopp´s strongest power is his weakness. Yes, as stupid as it sounds that´s his strenght. All hard work, growth (and even humor if you like) comes from the fact that Usopp is a weakling which he needs to surpass somehow. And it´s totally awesome that he, who is an ant in powers compared to most of the others still comes up with something that makes him belong to the rest.
Usopp definitely doesn´t need any kind of special power or DF power because it would ruin everything his character stands for. Many people relate to him because he´s the human among monsters actually. He´s actually the symbol that with hard work you can achieve everything. If he would grow with some whack power (be it DF of something linked to the True History) Oda would actually completely ruin the message.
He is perfect the way he is. He even convinced giants to switch sides and they now even refer to him as "King of Sniping" (which just reminds me what an awesome chapter that was).
I didn't say I liked it, or that I even thought it was true. I relate to usopp for all the reasons you listed there. I was just pointing out for the sake of argument that you could make a case for it.
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Yeah and I was pointing out that it wouldn´t happen because it wouldn´t fit with One Piece.
For instance I could create a theory on how a spaceship could crash land somewhere on the OP world and changes the lives of the characters for ever. If I would wrap it around nicely it could be a plausible explenation but it wouldn´t be One Piece and therefore it won´t happen. And Usopp getting stronger that way isn´t One Piece either. It is a plausible explenation, but it isn´t One Piece.
Fair point. On the other hand, until the arrival of Franky I wouldn't have thought a cyborg was One Piece either.
Sorry, I actually agree with you my brain just insists on thinking like this. My grandfather's a lawyer, maybe that's part of it :P
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Well Vivi said that on the Grand Line there´s islands with different kinds of development. One island can still be in it´s prehistoric age while the other can have far developed technology. That´s why a cyborg didn´t really surprise me. He would have surprised me if he would have Star Wars or Star Trek like technologic features but Franky´s seem to fit the One Piece world.
Besides I already said that in the old island speculation thread but I repeat it, I do think that the Strawhats could come to a machine island at some point. With that I don´t mean technologies as in the movies and series I mentioned above but technology like in the movie Wild Wild West would fit perfectly with One Piece. At least I think so. 
Heh, that gave me the funny image of Sanji freaking out in front of a giant mechanical spider (Sanji is afraid of spiders, right? I remember eh and Nami both freaked at one in jaya)
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
Besides the D, there may be other foreshadowing in Luffy's name. I'm hoping this hasn't already been pointed out ten-thousand times, but…
DonFlamingo, Hawk-Eye Mihawk, Bartholemew Kuma (Bear), Sir Crocodile and Jimbei (whatever that means in Japanese).
Now… Monkey D. Luffy.
The first time I saw this mentioned, I had the crap scared outta me. Mostly because I didn't notice a certain striking similarity. Although I defenately don't see Luffy giving up his nakama to be one of the seven, I bet ya he's gonna be asked. Then he'll turn it down, and whatever high-ranking blowhard who asked him will be offended, and a very awesome fight will ensue. Just guessing.
Also, in Chapter One, I think, there's a very interesting little tidbit (in the Viz, version, at least), saying "Luffy's voyage of destiny has begun!" or something along those lines. Lots of "fate" and "destiny" stuff with Luffy.
The one that gave me the most heeby-jeebies, though, was the "Look out for those marines!".
another example is where sanji is like there is only masks aand crap in the other cars. or somethin like that. i guess that warned us for sogeking. sry if this had been metioned im too lazy to read back
DonFlamingo, Hawk-Eye Mihawk, Bartholemew Kuma (Bear), Sir Crocodile and Jimbei (whatever that means in Japanese).
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Apparently Jimbei is some sort of White Shark. Makes sence since hes a merman.
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I wouldn't take me seriously if I were me.
Apparently Jimbei is some sort of White Shark. Makes sence since hes a merman.
See? It all fits together.
Man, I love One Piece.
Well actually it was said that jimbe means whale shark in japanese. Doesn´t change what Strange_One is trying to say though.
And I actually still believe that though his name resembles the japanese term for Whale Shark, he could still be a White Shark. As much as Chuu is also some sort of fish (don´t remember the english name) while he obviously is a seahorse.
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congrats, ivo, your reply was #69 in this thread XD
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[disappointment]Nah not really. It was reply #69 but it counts as post #70. So I don´t deserve the props. =( [/disappointment]
Ok, this is only semi-ish on topic: Anyone got any bets on Shank's chances of survival to the end? I give'm a 1 out of 100 chance personally, curious what other people think.
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Well if Pell, Kamakiri and Laki would have died then I would think that Shanks´ chances of death at the end wouldn´t be to low. But since even semi-strong characters can survive instakill moves I have my doubts if such a guy like Shanks would really die at the end. I and I´m sure he himself would love it if he gets killed in a fight, then it should be by Luffy but I´m not giving him too many chances for such an end.
So yeah 1% would actually be what I give his chances of death (through Luffy´s hands) at the end.
wait….I get confuzzled. I meant I thought he was probably going to die. is that what you meant?
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Well I hope for him to die in a fight with Luffy. That´s what I meant.
An interesting thought. I was thinking whoever the final battle is would kill Shanks. I pictured luffy picking up the bloodstained hat and putting it on determinadely….
Jinbei being a white shark is like Mihawk having puppy eyes. But eh, whale sharks are lame, so here's hoping.
It reminds me of MMX, with S. Crocodile, B. Pheasant, and etc.
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Bad move, bub!
Uhm…..wholdn't "White Shark" refference "Great White Shark," the deadliest creature in the ocean? ^_^;;;
And speaking of mermen, there should be a Coneshell Merman. The Coneshell has venom that kills so fast, your brain doesn't have time to register that you've been stung before you die. It's a real animal. A navy assasin perhaps?
Jinbei being a white shark is like Mihawk having puppy eyes. But eh, whale sharks are lame, so here's hoping.
Well I just compare it too Chuu. Chuu is also some kind of fish in japanese. Unfortunally I can´t remember the english name for it. But nobody is going to convince me that Chuu is meant to be anything else then a Seahorse.
I´m not sure but does or does not chuu also mean kiss in japanese?
Well anyways I just think that Jinbei sounded cooler as a name to Oda. And it fits with the japanese name for a sea creature but it doesn´t necessarily mean that he is that creature. And even then they would actually be the same fish family. Whale Sharks and White Sharks are both sharks, though they are actually the exact opposite of each other. But then again, this chuu fish also has something like long…how to say it...snout, therefore it fits with Chuu. However a seahorse still fits exactly with all the elongated mouth and water spitting ability that seahorse characters always have in these kind of stories.
Yep, Chuu is the sound (and I think the name too) of a kiss in japanese.
And honestly, I don't understand why you see him as a seahorse, seahorses don't spit water but there're lots of fish that do it to catch insects.
EDIT: By the way, according to movie4's special his name is spelled "Chew" XD
And honestly, I don't understand why you see him as a seahorse, seahorses don't spit water but there're lots of fish that do it to catch insects.
I was refering that the in fantasy cartoon, comics, manga, anime etc. stories the stereotype seacreature that spits water always is a seahorse. Unfortunally of course I can´t think of any story to back that up right now, but the water spitting definitely always is done by a seahorse.
And I think his mouth actually fits very well with a seahorse over any other stereotype sea creature.
You know every animal family has some sort of regular cast that gets used as representatives. If you talk about wildcats then the usual suspects are tigers, lions, cheetahs and panthers. When you think of birds of prey, then eagle´s, hawk´s and vulture´s are the usual suspects. And so on and so on.
However the seacreature family is much larger therefore the cast of usual suspects is larger too. Among them are the great white shark, dolphins, orca´s, octopusses, mantas, crabs, eels, oysters, sea turtles, that wale race that Moby Dick is (sorry but I don´t know the name) and seahorses.
Creatures like perches, salmons, clods, trouts, carps or that thing thats called chuu in japanese aren´t actually the usual suspects you confront to people as representatives of sea creatures.
I mean it is a silly example but just look at Disney´s Arielle and tell me how many of the above mentioned usual suspects you can see there and how many of the other shrimps.
I hope I could somewhat understandable explain the thought behind the idea.
Well there are severall different spitting fish. I read somewhere that Chuu is supposed to be a "Kisser Fish," which I think may be another name for the "Archer Fish" which I know hunts insects by spitting water at them and knocking them into the river where it lives.
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Did actually read what I´ve just said? I never doubted that there´s more then one sea creature that can spit water. It is linked to the "usual suspects" argument I meantioned above.
And sea horses are the only prominent water spitting sea creature. Not every person on this world is an animal expert. That´s why thise "usual suspects" re-appear constantly everywhere.
You can test it. Go around and ask people how many of them have heard of an arch fish and how many of the same people have heard of a seahorse. I´m betting my ass on it the majority will know what a seahorse is while many might not be familiar with an arch fish.
Or you can even move from sea creatures and ask how many people know about a liger and how many know about a tiger. I´m sure that plenty of people never heard of ligers, whereas it is very unlikely to find someone who doesn´t know what a tiger is.
That´s the whole idea. There´s prominant representatives of animal families that constantly re-appear here and there. And the sea horse is one prominent representative of the large sea creature family.
Dragon who was mentioned several times in the manga (and in that congress of kings), the grand revolution he's plotting…
And do you remember that Newspaper Nami was reading long ago? She read about something like another attempted coup on the island "Vila". The same Island was mentioned in Norlands Logbook 300 years ago as "cheerful" place O_o; Oda said in one of his fanmail-pages that we'd sooner or later understand why the world of One Piece has become such a turbulent place x_x;;
to pull a Vivi, v.
to stick to a certain group of people, principle, ideal, etc. for an extended period of time just to jump off due to an ulterior motif at the very last, frickin moment.
1\. I left my wife for you! Now don't pull a Vivi on me!
2\. I've got to pull a Vivi: No more beer for me…
Really? Norland mentioned Vila in his logbook? Was that in his flashback or while the Strawhats were with Cricket?
Vila=house in Latin and also I think Italian. What kind of island is named house?
I take it back. Oda could make a cool house-island.
Hmm. And similar words mean "Road" or "Life
vila was mentioned when the strawhats were with cricket… he started his journey there..^^
Thanks for the info. Just checked it. Well Oda what can I say? Oda has done it again. I don´t know how often I felt about that genius already. :laugh:
Dragon who was mentioned several times in the manga (and in that congress of kings), the grand revolution he's plotting…
And do you remember that Newspaper Nami was reading long ago? She read about something like another attempted coup on the island "Vila". The same Island was mentioned in Norlands Logbook 300 years ago as "cheerful" place O_o; Oda said in one of his fanmail-pages that we'd sooner or later understand why the world of One Piece has become such a turbulent place x_x;;
Oda can be creepy sometimes. When I was reading a recent copy of the English Version Shonen Jump, I noticed something.
On the Chapter 77 title page, look at the rooster in the bottom rright-hand corner. It says something along the lines of "WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE: RORONOA ZORO: 1,000,000". While I was initially delighted that Viz messed up and let a "Zoro" slip, I then became creeped out. Was this something that was just a sneaky Pandaman sort of tidbit? Or is there a remote possibility Zoro actually had a pre-mugiwara bounty? The world may never know =X
There's the best picture I could get, took it from a page on the MSN site. If I could find the SJ, I would scan it. Could anyone find a higher quality or bigger image?
Well I subscribe to SJ, but my scanner sucks :P I'll give it a check….
Well I just checked my tank and damn, that's perception noticing that one. Looks like Zoro definatly had a 1,000,000 berri bounty on him. (Actually, it kind of looks more like 1,000,008 but that just seems wrong) Still, nice find. Now we've got to get Oda to answer an SBS telling us how he actually got the bounty.
I also checkedmy tanko, and it, well, I would like to hear Oda excuse for this.. :D
Uh, that was a title page. You know like the ones where the was giant robo Strawhats, enormous hippos and a Going Merry Train. I think you´re probably reading too much into it. Because if we put weight on that page, then actually Zoro also likes to hang around roosters. 
:D yah you're right but it is still intressting..
(Actually, it kind of looks more like 1,000,008 but that just seems wrong)
MARINE: Here you go, your 1 million belis, and have this 8 belis and buy a gumball, you deserve it big boy.
Just ignore it, it is not logic that Zoro had a previous bounty, bow could he get the bounties for the pirates he captured from the marine if they are looking for him?
I think the Zoro wanted poster for 1,000,008 berries might be a future reward
Maybe some day Zoro will have 1,000,008 berries in his wanted poster
Wouldn´t 1.000.008 Berries be a large step back if he already has a bounty of 60.000.000 Berries?
Wouldn´t 1.000.008 Berries be a large step back if he already has a bounty of 60.000.000 Berries?
I made a mistake when I wrote the post, I was thinking of 100.000.008 Berries and not actually 1.000.008 Berries must have skipped a pair of 0's
But this will probably become Zoro's new reward since he already is 60.000.000 Berries soon he'll become 100.000.000 Berries
If the original number was 1.000.008 Berries maybe it's the reward Zoro got after helping Luffy defeat Arlong but since it was included in the main action they put it in the title page
Anyways I'm sorry for having made that mistake by confusing 100.000.008 for 1.000.008 Berries
I wanna see Usopp get a bounty on his head. I'd also like to see what people at his villaige say when wanted posters with his face on pop up ^_^ I think Kaya would be really proud.
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