@Grunk lol well atleast were both talking about the same One Piece here,
On topic tho maybe some brass knuckles One Piece style would be cool with maybe metal shin plates if he fights against Akainu. I think he wouldnt be able to counter raw magma otherwise but i think a direct body hit on Akainu works different. Haki counters the magma-fication of his body I think
@Grunk lol well atleast were both talking about the same One Piece here,
On topic tho maybe some brass knuckles One Piece style would be cool with maybe metal shin plates if he fights against Akainu. I think he wouldnt be able to counter raw magma otherwise but i think a direct body hit on Akainu works different. Haki counters the magma-fication of his body I think
Akainu is the anti-brawler. You can't touch him. Even if Luffy throws a punch at him all he needs to do is open a hole in him and swallow his arm up and he's screwed.
I think they'll tussle then he'll be like.. hey Zoro, kill this guy. If you're going toe to toe with a malevolent murder machine like Akainu you need to be just as deadly serious.. Luffy isn't. Plus swords are Akainu's only shown weakness (apart from the Gura Gura.. but that didn't really keep him down.) They're perfect for eachother. And the fight would be SICK.
Oda is the king of the curve balls so by then I think there will be a new and more apt boss for Luffy by the time they throw down with the Admirals.
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And only Luffy could defeat whomever else steps up to the plate be it Aokiji or Coby.
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If Coby ever advances to the point where Zoro can't defeat him, I think I might literally barf.
Akainu is the anti-brawler. You can't touch him. Even if Luffy throws a punch at him all he needs to do is open a hole in him and swallow his arm up and he's screwed.
I think they'll tussle then he'll be like.. hey Zoro, kill this guy. If you're going toe to toe with a malevolent murder machine like Akainu you need to be just as deadly serious.. Luffy isn't. Plus swords are Akainu's only shown weakness (apart from the Gura Gura.. but that didn't really keep him down.) They're perfect for eachother. And the fight would be SICK.
Oda is the king of the curve balls so by then I think there will be a new and more apt boss for Luffy by the time they throw down with the Admirals.
Don't kid yourself man, Zoro takes on Akainu the same day Sanji takes Enel. Akainu is clearly one of the main obstacles in Luffy's path. He is obviously Luffy's opponent, almost as much so as Teach. None of the things you bring up make sense. Luffy can easily counter the magma with a pair of fighting gloves imbued with haki. The idea that you think Luffy would have to leave one of his arch enemies up to Zoro just because his DF makes him deadly to touch is ridiculous. Do you think Luffy will never encounter Magellan or any other DF user with an ability that is deadly come in contact with? As far as Luffy not being serious enough… I have to wonder what it is you're smoking. This is the guy who killed his brother. The only thing that I can imagine is Luffy taking the fight too seriously and loosing his cool. It's not going to happen for quite some time, but when it does you can bet the one fighting Akainu won't be Zoro.
Why would Luffy need anything besides his bare fists to defeat someone like Akainu? If Garp had the confidence to kill Akainu, I'm sure Luffy would reach the appropriate level to defeat Akainu as well in a similar manner. The scenario Grunk mentioned would never happen, especially when Luffy at that point would arguably have mastered to some extent the Color of Observation Haki, where he'd predict such moves.
Don't kid yourself man, Zoro takes on Akainu the same day Sanji takes Enel. Akainu is clearly one of the main obstacles in Luffy's path. He is obviously Luffy's opponent, almost as much so as Teach. None of the things you bring up make sense. Luffy can easily counter the magma with a pair of fighting gloves imbued with haki. The idea that you think Luffy would have to leave one of his arch enemies up to Zoro just because his DF makes him deadly to touch is ridiculous. Do you think Luffy will never encounter Magellan or any other DF user with an ability that is deadly come in contact with? As far as Luffy not being serious enough… I have to wonder what it is you're smoking. This is the guy who killed his brother. The only thing that I can imagine is Luffy taking the fight too seriously and loosing his cool. It's not going to happen for quite some time, but when it does you can bet the one fighting Akainu won't be Zoro.
Now, I'm not saying that Zoro is going to fight Akainu, but I've got two problems with this post. First, I think you're overstating Luffy's beef with Akainu. Sure, he killed Ace, but he was really just another cog in the whole marine machine that's really responsible for Ace's death. Besides, Luffy shares plenty of the responsibility for his brother's death because Ace basically died in his place. It would be pretty shallow of Luffy to indulge in simplistically pushing it all off on Akainu. Would Luffy have blamed the executioner mooks if Ace had never been let loose or would he have blamed the WG/Marines that sentenced him to death in the first place?
Obviously Akainu is an enemy, and a major one, but Luffy isn't dedicating his life to revenge or anything like that. If (or when) the Strawhats end up facing Akainu it's going to be about a whole lot more than "you killed my brother." As I see it, the only way Akainu becomes as important as Blackbeard is if he becomes the Fleet Admiral and taking him down equates to symbolically taking down the Marines as a whole. At that point, it really isn't about Ace anymore.
Secondly as a general thing, Luffy has a crew for a reason and he's not going to fight every battle by himself just because he has an axe to grind. If the situation calls for Zoro, or any of the others to fight one of Luffy's enemies, Luffy will trust his nakama to take care of it. To do otherwise belittles their relationship IMO.
Just to repeat myself, I'm not saying Zoro is going to fight Akainu, I just think that one of the strengths of One Piece is that it doesn't have to be as cut and dry as your post suggests.
Now, I'm not saying that Zoro is going to fight Akainu, but I've got two problems with this post. First, I think you're overstating Luffy's beef with Akainu. Sure, he killed Ace, but he was really just another cog in the whole marine machine that's really responsible for Ace's death. Besides, Luffy shares plenty of the responsibility for his brother's death because Ace basically died in his place. It would be pretty shallow of Luffy to indulge in simplistically pushing it all off on Akainu. Would Luffy have blamed the executioner mooks if Ace had never been let loose or would he have blamed the WG/Marines that sentenced him to death in the first place?
Obviously Akainu is an enemy, and a major one, but Luffy isn't dedicating his life to revenge or anything like that. If (or when) the Strawhats end up facing Akainu it's going to be about a whole lot more than "you killed my brother." As I see it, the only way Akainu becomes as important as Blackbeard is if he becomes the Fleet Admiral and taking him down equates to symbolically taking down the Marines as a whole. At that point, it really isn't about Ace anymore.
Secondly as a general thing, Luffy has a crew for a reason and he's not going to fight every battle by himself just because he has an axe to grind. If the situation calls for Zoro, or anyone else to fight one of Luffy's enemies, Luffy will trust his nakama to take care of it. To do otherwise belittles their relationship IMO.
Just to repeat myself, I'm not saying Zoro is going to fight Akainu, I just think that one of the strengths of One Piece is that it doesn't have to be as cut and dry as your post suggests.
You are trying to dance around and underplay the obvious here. Yes for Akainu's defeat to have as much significance as BB's he would have to be fleet admiral, I agree with you on that much. This is part of the reason I think that will happen. I also agree with you to some extent that at the point Luffy fights Akainu it will be about more than just "he killed my brother." Despite that you need to acknowledge that this guy magma fisted Ace right in front of Luffy. This is an image that will never escape him as long as he lives and has clearly traumatized him. Luffy may be fighting for more than revenge, but when he actually confronts Akainu I find it hard to imagine his emotions not boiling over at some point. The idea that you think it will be all buisness and "war with the WG" is astounding to me.
You are trying to dance around and underplay the obvious here. Yes for Akainu's defeat to have as much significance as BB's he would have to be fleet admiral, I agree with you on that much. This is part of the reason I think that will happen. I also agree with you to some extent that at the point Luffy fights Akainu it will be about more than just "he killed my brother." Despite that you need to acknowledge that this guy magma fisted Ace right in front of Luffy. This is an image that will never escape him as long as he lives and has clearly traumatized him. Luffy may be fighting for more than revenge, but when he actually confronts Akainu I find it hard to imagine his emotions not boiling over at some point. The idea that you think it will be all buisness and "war with the WG" is astounding to me.
I'm not trying to dance around anything, I'm just arguing that the situation has more depth to it than I thought your response indicated. As for Luffy's trauma, he was traumatized by the death of his brother–the death of his brother on his behalf--he was not traumatized by the image of a magma fist any more than loud noises are the cause of "Shell Shock."
As for your final line, you twice referenced my assertion that the fight would be about more than revenge for Ace, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that I think revenge is not at all a part of it. It's a question of degree here… I just happen to think Luffy is going to place less emphasis on the revenge aspect than you do. I responded to your post because I (possibly in error) read it as suggesting that one of Luffy's primary motivations from here on is going to be to make Akainu pay, whereas I don't think he's going to specifically think about it all that much. If or when the story forces them together, Luffy will confront him, otherwise it's not a major motivator IMO.
I wasn't trying to say that revenge on Akainu would be a prime motivating factor for the entirety of the series. I was saying that it was a compelling enough motivation upon confrontation to disregard any idea of Luffy telling Zoro to fight in his stead.
I definitely agree with you on that. I just envisage the admittedly less likely scenario where the plot necessitates Zoro jumping in (in other words, Zoro's choice, not Luffy's) to free Luffy up for…. whatever, a la Iva-san v. Magellan etc. If there was a legitimate need for Luffy to make haste, I think he would be willing to trust his revenge to his nakama if necessary. This, of course, presupposes that there is something bigger or badder than Akainu going on in the future-arc in question. If Akainu becomes fleet admiral, which we both seem to think is going to happen, then such a situation seems extremely unlikely to occur. Still, I do like the idea if only because it reinforces the tightness of the crew.
I definitely agree with you on that. I just envisage the admittedly less likely scenario where the plot necessitates Zoro jumping in (in other words, Zoro's choice, not Luffy's) to free Luffy up for…. whatever, a la Iva-san v. Magellan etc. If there was a legitimate need for Luffy to make haste, I think he would be willing to trust his revenge to his nakama if necessary. This, of course, presupposes that there is something bigger or badder than Akainu going on in the future-arc in question. If Akainu becomes fleet admiral, which we both seem to think is going to happen, then such a situation seems extremely unlikely to occur. Still, I do like the idea if only because it reinforces the tightness of the crew.
I thought you weren't going to advocate the possibility of Zoro taking out Akainu… Clearly there is a remote chance of Zoro holding off Akainu while Luffy takes care of something more important. At the same time regardless of whether he becomes fleet admiral or not the one to ultimately defeat Akainu will be Luffy. I'm not questioning the tightness of the crew or Luffy's ability to trust his nakama, but this story also focuses strongly on destiny and fated enemies. There is no real meaning in Zoro defeating Akainu so it will never happen.
The only weapon I can see luffy using are knuckles.
But even knuckles, I don't really see it happening.
I thought you weren't going to advocate the possibility of Zoro taking out Akainu… Clearly there is a remote chance of Zoro holding off Akainu while Luffy takes care of something more important. At the same time regardless of whether he becomes fleet admiral or not the one to ultimately defeat Akainu will be Luffy. I'm not questioning the tightness of the crew or Luffy's ability to trust his nakama, but this story also focuses strongly on destiny and fated enemies. There is no real meaning in Zoro defeating Akainu so it will never happen.
The bond between friends is a more important theme to this story than "fated enemies" which would be, in this case, only a small corruption of the major theme of destiny. One Piece characters have fated enemies when those enemies stand directly in the way of their dreams, not for base motivations like revenge. Personally, I think that if Zoro can subjugate his dream to Luffy, then Luffy can entrust his revenge to Zoro. I find, "Zoro, he killed my brother, I am counting on you," to be a deeper, and more interesting meaning than "Hello. My name is Monkey D. Luffy. You killed my brother. Prepare to die," but that may just be me.
Still, as I have repeatedly acknowledged, it is not something I expect to happen, only something that is remotely possible and not out of character for Oda. Such a scenario would only occur in another war-style arc, or perhaps a series climax arc where multiple factions are on scene competing for the same goal (such as an ancient weapon).
As for advocating, when I said, "I'm not saying Zoro will fight Akainu…" I meant that I wasn't going to predict that it will happen, which I haven't done. I think it's an interesting tiny possibility so I'll talk about it, even if I think it's less likely than Sanji telling Nami to shut her greedy trap.
I have a minor theory, sorry if someone beat me to it, I couldn't find anything.
I've been thinking about how the crew could power up over the timeskip… and the trickiest to predict seems to be Robin. Apart from using weapons with her powers I can't think of an obvious improvement.
She can produce body parts from any flat surface, so far she mostly used her power to produce limbs, and she has also used it for eyes and ears (IIRC). So what if she used it to produce something more complex, i.e her entire body?
Basically she could preduce a clone of herself, a pretty handy power no?
The argument against:
. Not a problem if she uses the power off-panel and dresses herself though.It would help Robin with her role as the ships spy/intelligence gatherer though. And allow her to act as a handy decoy. Not to mention Sanji would love it, should provide some interesting humour. 
The bond between friends is a more important theme to this story than "fated enemies" which would be, in this case, only a small corruption of the major theme of destiny. One Piece characters have fated enemies when those enemies stand directly in the way of their dreams, not for base motivations like revenge. Personally, I think that if Zoro can subjugate his dream to Luffy, then Luffy can entrust his revenge to Zoro. I find, "Zoro, he killed my brother, I am counting on you," to be a deeper, and more interesting meaning than "Hello. My name is Monkey D. Luffy. You killed my brother. Prepare to die," but that may just be me.
Still, as I have repeatedly acknowledged, it is not something I expect to happen, only something that is remotely possible and not out of character for Oda. Such a scenario would only occur in another war-style arc, or perhaps a series climax arc where multiple factions are on scene competing for the same goal (such as an ancient weapon).
As for advocating, when I said, "I'm not saying Zoro will fight Akainu…" I meant that I wasn't going to predict that it will happen, which I haven't done. I think it's an interesting tiny possibility so I'll talk about it, even if I think it's less likely than Sanji telling Nami to shut her greedy trap.
As I said the possibility of Zoro fighting against Akainu is remote but it's there. The idea that you think there is even a slight possibility of Zoro defeating him makes me want to vomit though. If Mihawk loses to Shileiw do you think there is a slight possibility of Zoro telling Luffy to take care of it for him? Whether you want to admit it or not Ace is a prime motivating factor for Luffy, and I'm not talking about vengance. Much like Shanks, Luffy has always been trying to chase after and surpass his older brother. There is a ton of symbolic significance to Luffy defeating Akainu, both personally and to the world.
The fact that Luffy is extremely close to his crew is never going to be in question, that's something we all already know. While there will be meaning to it when Luffy decides to let his crew to deal with an admiral, there is no particular significance to having Zoro defeat Akainu. The idea that you think Oda might do that just to reiterate a point that can be found anywhere in this story makes me sick. Fate is more significant here than you want to admit, Luffy will fight whoever he's destined to fight, as will Zoro. The idea that it might be Zoro's fate to take out the WG's main villan is about as likely as my destiny to travel through time and stop this ridiculous idea before it gets started.
As I said the possibility of Zoro fighting against Akainu is remote but it's there. The idea that you think there is even a slight possibility of Zoro defeating him makes me want to vomit. If Mihawk loses to Shileiw do you think there is a slight possibility of Zoro telling Luffy to take care of it for him? Whether you want to admit it or not Ace is a prime motivating factor for Luffy. Much like Shanks, Luffy has always been trying to chase after and surpass his older brother. There is a ton of symbolic significance to Luffy defeating Akainu, both personally and to the world.
The fact that Luffy is extremely close to his crew is never going to be in question, that's something we all already know. While there willl be meaning to it when Luffy decides to let his crew to deal with an admiral, there is no particular significance to having Zoro defeat Akainu. The idea that you think Oda might do that just to reiterate a point that can be found anywhere in this story makes me sick. Fate is more significant here than you want to admit, Luffy will fight whoever he's destined to fight, as will Zoro. The idea that it might be Zoro's fate to take the WG's main villan is about as likely as my destiny to travel through time and stop this ridiculous idea before it gets started.
the fact that there are so many end boss like characters it makes me think that sanji and zoro might have to take one of them a piece and luffy will have to fight another the idea that zoro will fight akainu isnt ridicoulus
there just has to be more than one "bad guy" at the same time
I never said the idea of Zoro fighting Akainu was ridiculous, I said the idea of him defeating Akainu is ridiculous. Yes there will be more than one badguy at once, but when the crew was fighting cp9 why was it Luffy's job to take on Lucci? Luffy always takes on the man he is intended to defeat, Akainu is clearly on that list.
I never said the idea of Zoro fighting Akainu was ridiculous, I said the idea of him defeating Akainu is ridiculous. Yes there will be more than one badguy at once, but when the crew was fighting cp9 why was it Luffy's job to take on Lucci? Luffy always takes on the man he is intended to defeat, Akainu is clearly on that list.
I think you are right about this. Luffy always takes on the biggest bad guy, and they don't get much bigger than Akainu, since he is (currently) the most dangerous marine. Plus Luffy has a score to settle with him.
I can see Zoro taking on one of the other admirals perhaps, since he usually gets the second strongest villain to defeat.
As I said the possibility of Zoro fighting against Akainu is remote but it's there. The idea that you think there is even a slight possibility of Zoro defeating him makes me want to vomit though. If Mihawk loses to Shileiw do you think there is a slight possibility of Zoro telling Luffy to take care of it for him? Whether you want to admit it or not Ace is a prime motivating factor for Luffy, and I'm not talking about vengance. Much like Shanks, Luffy has always been trying to chase after and surpass his older brother. There is a ton of symbolic significance to Luffy defeating Akainu, both personally and to the world.
The fact that Luffy is extremely close to his crew is never going to be in question, that's something we all already know. While there will be meaning to it when Luffy decides to let his crew to deal with an admiral, there is no particular significance to having Zoro defeat Akainu. The idea that you think Oda might do that just to reiterate a point that can be found anywhere in this story makes me sick. Fate is more significant here than you want to admit, Luffy will fight whoever he's destined to fight, as will Zoro. The idea that it might be Zoro's fate to take out the WG's main villan is about as likely as my destiny to travel through time and stop this ridiculous idea before it gets started.
You keep trying to convince me that it makes more sense for Luffy to fight Akainu than Zoro. This is a pointless endeavor as I have acknowledged this four hundred billion times. You seem completely unwilling to accept that there may be a scenario where Akainu is not the biggest bad on the scene. This is the only situation that I am talking about… period. Akainu is not the WG's main villain in the end game of this series. He just isn't. The question is will he be individually defeated before then (probably), or will there be another chaotic war-like scenario that will force Luffy to make a choice... maybe?
As far as the health of your stomach, do you honestly think that by the end of this series Zoro won't be on a level to compete with an admiral? Isn't Shileiw, one of your "fated enemies" for Zoro an admiral-grade threat?
Summary of Debate:
You: Luffy has a 100% chance of defeating Akainu.
Me: Luffy has a 95%+ chance of defeating Akainu and Zoro has a <5% chance with some neat possibilities.
You: Outrageous!
heres a question to consider what will the SH do if hey have to fight more than 1 admiral at once and black beard?
i know crazy circumstance but this is the type of situation that was proposed
are u suggesting luffy take all of them out because they are all main villans… therefore zoro cant fight them because of this
(i understand too that luffy is the likely one to fight each of them when it comes to it but this is the maybe exception)
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@Chopper:
heres a question to consider what will the SH do if hey have to fight more than 1 admiral at once and black beard?
i know crazy circumstance but this is the type of situation that was proposed
are u suggesting luffy take all of them out because they are all main villans… therefore zoro cant fight them because of this
(i understand too that luffy is the likely one to fight each of them when it comes to it but this is the maybe exception)
Luffy will go for whoever seems most dangerous at the time. Zoro/Sanji/whoever will go for the others.
But my guess is that there probably won't be some huge battle where every big enemy will turn up at once, or at least not one where the strawhats have to take them on all by themselves.
You keep trying to convince me that it makes more sense for Luffy to fight Akainu than Zoro. This is a pointless endeavor as I have acknowledged this four hundred billion times. You seem completely unwilling to accept that there may be a scenario where Akainu is not the biggest bad on the scene. This is the only situation that I am talking about… period. Akainu is not the WG's main villain in the end game of this series. He just isn't. The question is will he be individually defeated before then (probably), or will there be another chaotic war-like scenario that will force Luffy to make a choice... maybe?
As far as the health of your stomach, do you honestly think that by the end of this series Zoro won't be on a level to compete with an admiral? Isn't Shileiw, one of your "fated enemies" for Zoro an admiral-grade threat?
Summary of Debate:
You: Luffy has a 100% chance of defeating Akainu.
Me: Luffy has a 95%+ chance of defeating Akainu and Zoro has a <5% chance with some neat possibilities.
You: Outrageous!
I would love to hear you come up with a situation in which Akainu isn't the main villan upon confronting Luffy. Zoro takes on Akainu while Luffy fights the Gorosei 5 on 1? I mean seriously get real. I'm not saying Zoro won't get to the point where he can compete with an admiral. I have said numerous times that there is a slight possibility of him fighting Akainu, and its very likely that we will at least see him fight an admiral at some point. This means that he would have to be up to par. At the same time the idea of Zoro defeating the Marine who is symbolic for everything Luffy is fighting against is not a 5% possibility, it's more like a .0000000005% possibility. A ridiculous idea not worth thinking about.
@Chopper:
heres a question to consider what will the SH do if hey have to fight more than 1 admiral at once and black beard?
i know crazy circumstance but this is the type of situation that was proposed
are u suggesting luffy take all of them out because they are all main villans… therefore zoro cant fight them because of this
(i understand too that luffy is the likely one to fight each of them when it comes to it but this is the maybe exception)
…If there is ever a ridiculous situation like that where BB and the WG are working together against the SH it will be towards the end of the story and Luffy will have plenty of help coming along with him too, and I don't mean the crew. The kind of situation you are proposing is another grand scale war, and by the time that happens Luffy will have so much backing from pirates and revolutionaries that who fights who is anybody's guess. Ultimately though the idea of BB and the WG joining hands again even temporarily is not worth considering. There are plenty of possibilities for people who might try to get in Luffy's way other than Akainu in a situation like a second war, but BB isn't really one of them.
I would love to hear you come up with a situation in which Akainu isn't the main villan upon confronting Luffy. Zoro takes on Akainu while Luffy fights the Gorosei 5 on 1? I mean seriously get real. I'm not saying Zoro won't get to the point where he can compete with an admiral. I have said numerous times that there is a slight possibility of him fighting Akainu, and its very likely that we will at least see him fight an admiral at some point. This means that he would have to be up to par. At the same time the idea of Zoro defeating the Marine who is symbolic for everything Luffy is fighting against is not a 5% possibility, it's more like a .0000000005% possibility. A ridiculous idea not worth thinking about.
Honestly, what's so outlandish about a chaotic war-type situation? We did just have a couple years of it after all. There are five Gorosei–between the end of the series and now let's say one of them singles himself out as a particular enemy for the Strawhats or seperates himself from the herd to make a dash for the big red button to activate an ancient weapon or whatever MacGuffin brought everyone together in the first place. Luffy moves to intercept and is confronted by Akainu who is then intercepted by Zoro. What are the other Gorosei doing? Perhaps they are fighting Dragon + minions, or Marco and company, or any combination of Supernovas + crew. There are many options. You said yourself that there would be many factions on scene in such a scenario.
I don't understand why things are so black and white with you. Why can't we discuss things that are unlikely without immediately dismissing them as impossible? It's a pretty boring attitude to take if you ask me. If Oda goes with the most obvious plan in all situations things would get pretty dull. How many of us saw the Strawhat Separation coming, or would have even believed it possible before it happened? I like One Piece because Oda doesn't always follow the conventions, not because I can predict everything that is going to happen 10 years before he writes it. Part of the fun in the wait is speculating on ways he may choose to surprise us... that's the way I see it anyway.
Honestly, what's so outlandish about a chaotic war-type situation? We did just have a couple years of it after all. There are five Gorosei–between the end of the series and now let's say one of them singles himself out as a particular enemy for the Strawhats or seperates himself from the herd to make a dash for the big red button to activate an ancient weapon or whatever MacGuffin brought everyone together in the first place. Luffy moves to intercept and is confronted by Akainu who is then intercepted by Zoro. What are the other Gorosei doing? Perhaps they are fighting Dragon + minions, or Marco and company, or any combination of Supernovas + crew. There are many options. You said yourself that there would be many factions on scene in such a scenario.
I don't understand why things are so black and white with you. Why can't we discuss things that are unlikely without immediately dismissing them as impossible? It's a pretty boring attitude to take if you ask me. If Oda goes with the most obvious plan in all situations things would get pretty dull. How many of us saw the Strawhat Separation coming, or would have even believed it possible before it happened? I like One Piece because Oda doesn't always follow the conventions, not because I can predict everything that is going to happen 10 years before he writes it. Part of the fun in the wait is speculating on ways he may choose to surprise us... that's the way I see it anyway.
a whole lot of agreed and i give u 3 internets
One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
The Monster Trio and the Three Admirals will have a direct confrontation at some point.
The direct Strawhat vs Admiral lineup is malleable, but I assume that it will happen at some point.
May you live in interesting times.
May you attract the attention of those above you.
~Two ancient Chinese curses.
@Cap'n:
I have a minor theory, sorry if someone beat me to it, I couldn't find anything.
I've been thinking about how the crew could power up over the timeskip… and the trickiest to predict seems to be Robin. Apart from using weapons with her powers I can't think of an obvious improvement.
She can produce body parts from any flat surface, so far she mostly used her power to produce limbs, and she has also used it for eyes and ears (IIRC). So what if she used it to produce something more complex, i.e her entire body?
Basically she could preduce a clone of herself, a pretty handy power no?
The argument against:
- the clone would probably appear naked, which might make this power to risque for manga
- the clone would probably always have to be touching a flat surface, since that is how her powers work
It would help Robin with her role as the ships spy/intelligence gatherer though. And allow her to act as a handy decoy. Not to mention Sanji would love it, should provide some interesting humour.
Sigh… If only they would let Robin do that... Orgy anyone?
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That's not a prediction… That an ineviability.
Sigh… If only they would let Robin do that... Orgy anyone?
I am up for an orgy with multiple Robins. :ninja:
I kind of liked fat Usopp-he will be missed. Chapter caption: "Usopp Gets Fat."
Ahhh, I love Oda.
Don't jinx it .
As someone above said, it's simply inevitable. We all know that the site will crash from traffic. The question is: will the traffic be too high for the site even BEFORE the spoilers come out (One Piece-starved people crowding in ten hours early out of pure desperation), or a couple minutes AFTER spoilers come out (so given that you are a frequent member of this site, you have a .01% chance of seeing the spoilers, max)?
Will YOU be one of the eight people to see the spoiler thread in time to read the title of the chapter… in Japanese?! Or will you have to go to a different site to hear a six-word description of the cover page?! Only time will tell!
Honestly, what's so outlandish about a chaotic war-type situation? We did just have a couple years of it after all. There are five Gorosei–between the end of the series and now let's say one of them singles himself out as a particular enemy for the Strawhats or seperates himself from the herd to make a dash for the big red button to activate an ancient weapon or whatever MacGuffin brought everyone together in the first place. Luffy moves to intercept and is confronted by Akainu who is then intercepted by Zoro. What are the other Gorosei doing? Perhaps they are fighting Dragon + minions, or Marco and company, or any combination of Supernovas + crew. There are many options. You said yourself that there would be many factions on scene in such a scenario.
I don't understand why things are so black and white with you. Why can't we discuss things that are unlikely without immediately dismissing them as impossible? It's a pretty boring attitude to take if you ask me. If Oda goes with the most obvious plan in all situations things would get pretty dull. How many of us saw the Strawhat Separation coming, or would have even believed it possible before it happened? I like One Piece because Oda doesn't always follow the conventions, not because I can predict everything that is going to happen 10 years before he writes it. Part of the fun in the wait is speculating on ways he may choose to surprise us... that's the way I see it anyway.
There is nothing outlandish about another war. In fact it’s something that I am expecting to happen at some point. The idea that beating up a group of old men who sit around making decisions could be as meaningful or epic as defeating Akainu is what I’m calling outlandish. I brought up the Gorosei idea as a joke, not something to take seriously. When the next war does happen what do you think the odds are that the Gorosei will be anywhere near the battlefield? Even if a situation like that arises it’s far more likely that Luffy will hold Akainu back personally while he sends crewmembers or allies to deal with other threats. Regardless, it seems like I have the enviable job of having to convince you of the difference between an extremely unlikely possibility and a legitimate outside shot.
While it’s true that Oda has to mix things up in order to keep the story entertaining, there are also things he has to make happen in order to satisfy his readers. One of those things is to make defeating major antagonists as epic and meaningful as possible. Akainu being defeated by anyone other than Luffy would clearly have plenty of shock value, but unless you can figure out a way to make it as meaningful or more it just doesn’t work. Oda has just introduced Akainu for the most part, and as such has only set up the basic dynamics for the dispute between Luffy and Akainu. Because of this, unlike BB, there is still a very slim outside shot of someone other than Luffy defeating Akainu. When you start trying to calculate the odds of it being a specific character like Zoro or Dragon though, you enter the realm of extremely improbable possibilities.
This is the kind of thing where the crux of your argument is simply that it’s not impossible because anything can happen. You need to understand, when that’s all you have backing up your idea it doesn’t deserve a 5% probability. What you are saying gives Zoro as good as a 1 in 20 shot at Akainu’s head. As far as I’m concerned his odds are 1 in 100 at the VERY best. If you want to say that there is a 5% chance of someone other than Luffy taking down Akainu then I will leave it be. I don’t think it’s quite that high but at least I can deal with it. The idea that Zoro’s chances alone are that high doesn’t work for me at all though.
Lastly, while not everything Oda does is totally obvious, it all makes sense and has meaning. He doesn’t surprise his readers for the sake of the surprise. Just because we can’t see everything coming isn’t an excuse to try and pass off near impossible scenarios as relatively plausible possibilities. It especially bothers me that you tried to compare a very unlikely possibility of this sort, to something that was clearly foreshadowed and made perfect sense like the crew being separated. I can’t tell you how many people saw that coming, but I can tell you that you’re speaking to someone who did. From the end of Thiller Bark until it actually happened I had a nagging suspicion that Oda would use Kuma to send either Luffy or Zoro on a solo adventure. By showing the crew being defeated, plus making a display of Kuma’s ability and his suspect loyalties. Oda made it clear both that the SH were not yet ready for the NW, and that separating them in order to make them stronger was a legitimate possibility. What I didn't see coming was the whole crew being split up or the ID/War arc. Not everything has to catch you entirely off guard in order to be entertaining.
The Monster Trio and the Three Admirals will have a direct confrontation at some point.
The direct Strawhat vs Admiral lineup is malleable, but I assume that it will happen at some point.
i love that prediction
Usopp will become the captain of the Strawhats :ninja:
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
never luffy captain forever
I predict Zoro has gold rodgers haki while luffy has silvers
Zoro breath technique sounds very simular to gold rodgers ability
if that was true zoro would be stronger than luffy and i dont want that to happen
of course he would
never luffy captain forever
if that was true zoro would be stronger than luffy and i dont want that to happen
Yet another Aug 2010 poster.
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Originally Posted by Beowulf89
The Monster Trio and the Three Admirals will have a direct confrontation at some point.The direct Strawhat vs Admiral lineup is malleable, but I assume that it will happen at some point.
i love that prediction
Me too, but with Luffy on Phasan and one more SH in the mix, for the upcoming 3rd Admiral
Just to throw this theory of mine out:
I can imagine the Sunny-go being confiscated by Kuma (now brainwashed completely) and sent off to some high security lockdown, and so the SHs would return into the news with a BAM! by invading that Marine Base. Rayleigh may or may not join their rescue efforts (though probably not; the battle would be too easy). Then, they would make yet another grand exit into the sky… The confrontation with the admirals might be a bit too early as of this point, though, so they'd probably be busy with BB's/ the Yonkou's activity in the New World or something. I totally see this scene with SW music.
Also, I can see Franky upgrading Nami's flying boat into something outrageous, and Usopp adding the Weather Ball to her Clima Tact. Then, she can shoot heat waves and burn her enemies! 
Or freeze them with a snowstorm. Whichever.
One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
So what do you guys think will become of Luffy's fighting style? With time and Haki training, he should be really formidable, but I couldn't see him taking an important opponent without using something like Gear Second.
I think, with haki and all that, that he could last at least an arc (or to the final boss of the arc) without gear second to clearly define the change in strength.
I imagine that in the next arc that Luffy would finally unleash a Gigant Gatling.
The devastation would be enormous…
I hope Luffy will stop using gears after the timeskip.
Franky will become Iron Man
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
Franky will become Iron Man
Franky will be build out of seastone ;) or at least got seastone fists
The Monster Trio and the Three Admirals will have a direct confrontation at some point.
The direct Strawhat vs Admiral lineup is malleable, but I assume that it will happen at some point.
I want that so bad. But I have a feeling it'll be the Three Supernova Captains vs Admirals.
Beards for the Straw Hats. ALL AROUND!
I'm also to see what new information Robin picks up, it'll be so freaking awesome.
Also, Kabuto upgrade for Usopp.
I can imagine the Sunny-go being confiscated by Kuma (now brainwashed completely) and sent off to some high security lockdown, and so the SHs would return into the news with a BAM! by invading that Marine Base. Rayleigh may or may not join their rescue efforts (though probably not; the battle would be too easy). Then, they would make yet another grand exit into the sky…
i like this theory. sounds like a nice way of reintroducing the SHs. hopefully it'll be a big fight to show us how much they have really grown.
Rayleigh will probably disappear soon after the SHs reunite…
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Rayleigh will probably disappear soon after the SHs reunite…
Or he might join the crew and not dissapear :ninja:
Rayleigh will probably disappear soon after the SHs reunite…
He'll pop up every now and then in the stars like Mufasa.
The Monster Trio and the Three Admirals will have a direct confrontation at some point.
The direct Strawhat vs Admiral lineup is malleable, but I assume that it will happen at some point.
So the Monster trio will all have to learn Haki over the break, I guess. They are positioned for it, and they did see Rayleigh use it, so I guess training could go in that way.
