If eating a smile fruit doesn't prevent you from eating a real devil fruit, then I can see Momonosuke eating the fruit.
That's worse for me. I hate that brat. There are some things about his character that rub me the wrong way.
One Piece 703: Waiting Room
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If eating a smile fruit doesn't prevent you from eating a real devil fruit, then I can see Momonosuke eating the fruit.
I like this theory, because it would make Kaido even more intimidating.
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If eating a smile fruit doesn't prevent you from eating a real devil fruit, then I can see Momonosuke eating the fruit.
What really worries me about this is that I can see it happening.
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I like this theory, because it would make Kaido even more intimidating.
Ahhh if this is the case, I really do hope for a stone rhino hybrid character named "Rocksteady" in his army.
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There is something off about momonosuke and kinnemon i wouldnt surprise if they turn out as an enemy like gin did , chopper vs momonosuke may be cool :)
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I don't know why lot of readers hate on Sanji so much over his nosebleeds. Its part of his character now as a horny guy who can't get anywhere with girls. After being in hell for 2 years, please tell me you won't go crazy seeing hot girls, especially girls that hug/kiss you.
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Sums up Sanji's life hahaOne Piece ,\/,,
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If eating a smile fruit doesn't prevent you from eating a real devil fruit, then I can see Momonosuke eating the fruit.
Please no. Momo's current fruit is already interesting, he doesn't need another.
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@Buggy:
I don't know why lot of readers hate on Sanji so much over his nosebleeds. Its part of his character now as a horny guy who can't get anywhere with girls. After being in hell for 2 years, please tell me you won't go crazy seeing hot girls, especially girls that hug/kiss you.
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Sums up Sanji's life hahaExcept that "Hell" was an unrealistic and discriminatory portrayal of crossdressers, and Sanji is a womanizing, misogynistic asshole.
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I think Sanjis Lust came from this new succubus theme Oda gave him and Zoro also has this blood thirst vampire theme , if you look carefully iva have a succubus design while mihawk has vampire design . Sanji may have new moves according his new theme and he may also power up if he controls that lust and he may even gain a skill about that , i am afraid this pervented Sanji may go on till the end .
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lets just bury the fruit beside the grave shall we
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@zeff:
lets just bury the fruit beside the grave shall we
That would be a waste
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I think Sanjis Lust came from this new succubus theme Oda gave him and Zoro also has this blood thirst vampire theme , if you look carefully iva have a succubus design while mihawk has vampire design.
Ivankov is designed after Tim Curry's character from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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Except that "Hell" was an unrealistic and discriminatory portrayal of crossdressers, and Sanji is a womanizing, misogynistic asshole.
You don't know the meaning of that word.
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Ivankov is designed after Tim Curry's character from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Ivankovs theme is succubus no matter how you look at i dont know why you deny it ?
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@Стрелок:
You don't know the meaning of that word.
I don't think you know who you're talking to.
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Ivankovs theme is succubus no matter how you look at i dont know why you deny it ?
Succubus will be nowhere near the top 10 things I think of when I see Ivankov. So I can't agree with you on this one pal.
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I don't think you know who you're talking to.
You could have just explained to him that you regard Sanji´s sexist behavior as misogynistic but i guess, considering his rude attitude, that was not an option
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Agony brings out the devil within us.
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Ivankovs theme is succubus no matter how you look at i dont know why you deny it ?
Aside from TheCrystalSHip being totally right, in what ways is Ivankov like a succubus at all? Succubus are female sex demons. I see nothing of the sort with Ivankov, unless you just think all transgendered people are evil lust monsters. For example, has Ivankov ever tried to Seduce anyone? Does he have horns? A tail? Any sort of demonic features whatsoever?
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I don't think you know who you're talking to.
Don't report me, please. :cwy:
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m@MiyamotoMusashi:
You could have just explained to him that you regard Sanji´s sexist behavior as misogynistic but i guess, considering his rude attitude, that was not an option
Except that misogyny is the exact opposite of what Sanji is doing.
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Sadi-chan was more of a succubus than Ivankov…
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I just love how half the people are speculating about sanji, while the other half are no. as if it's fact, who's really being unreasonable here? lol
Yes and apparently we are jokes for even considering it.
Gotta love the double standards.
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Isn't Misogyny the hatred, dislike or mistrust of women? In that case, Sanji is anything but misogynistic.
He's sexist. There's a difference.
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@Стрелок:
Don't report me, please. :cwy:
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Except that misogyny is the exact opposite of what Sanji is doing.
Since CrystalShip does not seem to answer to you: Sanji treats beautiful women way better than anyone else, that is 2 things: 1) Sexist since he only treats them better because of their gender and even their beauty and 2) it is an objectification of women. An emancipated woman like CrystalShip for whom respect and equality is more important than most things, Sanji´s behavior seems quite misogynistic.
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I was really on the Sanji getting the mera mera bandwaggon but I put a lot more thought into it and that conclusion just doesn't bring out the best storyline possible - Tournament > SH's either by winning or by hook, get the fruit > Sanji eats because he's the most likely of the SH's if any > mera mera confrontation over (possible Akainu encounter but he isn't Sanji's problem). It just seems pretty flat in the long-run.
Furthermore, one can notice a trend when it comes to the SH's and their DF abilities so far. None of the current members actively wished for their DF abilities. Chopper was a Reindeer and probably came across the fruit by coincidence and ate it out of sheer dumb luck, the ability made him an outcast among the other Reindeer and also from the human's who he now slightly resembled. It's unknown when and the exact circumstances that surrounded Robin's DF acquisition, but her power also saw her demonised not just by her own people, but eventually the world (thanks to the WG propaganda). Brook's ability was also more of a curse than a blessing, while 'alive' it pretty much prevented him from swimming with no benefits, once revived however he was forced to continue living after his crew had fallen, he's also generally feared and misunderstood on first impression, though he has really shone with his Soul King career and was fortunate to meet with the crew.
Luffy as we all know, ate his fruit through sheer stupidity, and was not aware of the side effects. He did however accept his fate and is the skilled user of the gomu gomu no mi we know today. None of the SH's gained their abilities with open arms. Kin'emon is very likely to join the SH's after the Wano arc and he would also share this in common with the other DF eaters.
Coby seems like a good candidate because I just don't see him outclassing Luffy in combat - Luffy's expertise with his DF ability, superiority in Haki and just overall combat experience and skill. He'll need something like the Mera Mera to come at Luffy properly as well as ascend to the rank of Admiral. An eventual emotional and thrilling encounter between the two fated rivals would surely ensue, with the Mera Mera adding to the atmosphere.
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Since CrystalShip does not seem to answer to you: Sanji treats beautiful women way better than anyone else, that is 2 things: 1) Sexist since he only treats them better because of their gender and even their beauty and 2) it is an objectification of women. An emancipated woman like CrystalShip for whom respect and equality is more important than most things, Sanji´s behavior seems quite misogynistic.
Wow, you've got me down pat. XD
Thanks for answering Strelok on my behalf, I couldn't be bothered.
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Since CrystalShip does not seem to answer to you: Sanji treats beautiful women way better than anyone else, that is 2 things: 1) Sexist since he only treats them better because of their gender and even their beauty and 2) it is an objectification of women. An emancipated woman like CrystalShip for whom respect and equality is more important than most things, Sanji´s behavior seems quite misogynistic.
Suddenly treating pretty women differently is bad? Then judging people based on their intelligence or qualifications or skills is bad too? Stop with this feminist crap. Sanji isn't misogynistic, he is philogynic - he actually respects, admires and loves women.
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Ivankovs theme is succubus no matter how you look at i dont know why you deny it ?
Wha….Ivankov never tried to Fu%^ the guys and steal their energies. That is what a succubus is, a female demon that uses sex to steal the energies of mortals (traditionally in folklore that's male). Ivankov is about embracing the inner female (aka cross dressing) ...and being totally flamboyant at the same time. He never tried to force himself on Sanji. Flirt? Maybe (never watched the anime so wont say yes/no) Tease and taunt? Oh yeah! But did he make moves to seduce or rape Sanji? NO
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Since CrystalShip does not seem to answer to you: Sanji treats beautiful women way better than anyone else, that is 2 things: 1) Sexist since he only treats them better because of their gender and even their beauty and 2) it is an objectification of women. An emancipated woman like CrystalShip for whom respect and equality is more important than most things, Sanji´s behavior seems quite misogynistic.
Objectification can be a result of misogynistic beliefs, but it isn't the only thing that can result in objectification. In Sanji's case, the issue is more that he puts women on such a high pedestal that he stops really being sensible or smart. And really, Sanji's beliefs are stupid, but I've seen nothing to suggest he thinks women are inferior in any way. He doesn't treat them as if they they're dumber, or should act subservient to men. If anything, the problem is that he treats women as superior to men, not inferior
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Isn't Misogyny the hatred, dislike or mistrust of women? In that case, Sanji is anything but misogynistic.
He's sexist. There's a difference.
Doesn't sexual objectification also count as Misogyny? I'm not an expert on things like that, but at least wikipedia includes it in the misogyny article.
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@Buggy:
I don't know why lot of readers hate on Sanji so much over his nosebleeds. Its part of his character now as a horny guy who can't get anywhere with girls. After being in hell for 2 years, please tell me you won't go crazy seeing hot girls, especially girls that hug/kiss you.
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Sums up Sanji's life hahaReally? You had to have Buggy D Clown as your username?
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Doesn't sexual objectification also counts as Misogyny? I'm not an expert on things like these, but at least wikipedia includes it in the misogyny article.
Even if it does, Sanji has never shown signs of "sexual objectification" and I doubt he will.
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@Lady:
I was really on the Sanji getting the mera mera bandwaggon but I put a lot more thought into it and that conclusion just doesn't bring out the best storyline possible - Tournament > SH's either by winning or by hook, get the fruit > Sanji eats because he's the most likely of the SH's if any > mera mera confrontation over (possible Akainu encounter but he isn't Sanji's problem). It just seems pretty flat in the long-run.
Furthermore, one can notice a trend when it comes to the SH's and their DF abilities so far. None of the current members actively wished for their DF abilities. Chopper was a Reindeer and probably came across the fruit by coincidence and ate it out of sheer dumb luck, the ability made him an outcast among the other Reindeer and also from the human's who he now slightly resembled. It's unknown when and the exact circumstances that surrounded Robin's DF acquisition, but her power also saw her demonised not just by her own people, but eventually the world (thanks to the WG propaganda). Brook's ability was also more of a curse than a blessing, while 'alive' it pretty much prevented him from swimming with no benefits, once revived however he was forced to continue living after his crew had fallen, he's also generally feared and misunderstood on first impression, though he has really shone with his Soul King career and was fortunate to meet with the crew.
Luffy as we all know, ate his fruit through sheer stupidity, and was not aware of the side effects. He did however accept his fate and is the skilled user of the gomu gomu no mi we know today. None of the SH's gained their abilities with open arms.
Sanji won't necessarily eat it willingly/on purpose either. There are plenty ways how it could go.@Lady:
Kin'emon is very likely to join the SH's after the Wano arc
Please no.@Lady:
Coby seems like a good candidate because I just don't see him outclassing Luffy in combat - Luffy's expertise with his DF ability, superiority in Haki and just overall combat experience and skill. He'll need something like the Mera Mera to come at Luffy properly as well as ascend to the rank of Admiral. An eventual emotional and thrilling encounter between the two fated rivals would surely ensue, with the Mera Mera adding to the atmosphere.
Coby is nowhere to be seen. And if the fruit symbolises Ace's will, he isn't a good candidate.
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Why does most of the fanbase dread someone actually relevant to the story eating the Mera Mera?
Coby doesn't count for now, just because he's not around.
If Coby dropped from the heavens and ate this fruit , idk how I'd react.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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Just one thing.
WHO THE HELL needs Mera Mera no Mi when we got:!
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Doesn't sexual objectification also count as Misogyny? I'm not an expert on things like that, but at least wikipedia includes it in the misogyny article.
Sexualk objectification is not part of the definition of mysogyny, It's a possible manifestation of mysogyny, but it can be a manefestation of other things as well. And while sanji basically Deifies women, that isn't exactly objectification either, since he's not denying their personality or ability to think and act for themself. Worshipping women is not the same as objectifying them, though it is problematic in its own right. Sanji's obsession with women is many things, but mysogynistic isn't really one of them
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@Стрелок:
Suddenly treating pretty women differently is bad? Then judging people based on their intelligence or qualifications or skills is bad too? Stop with this feminist crap. Sanji isn't misogynistic, he is philogynic - he actually respects, admires and loves women.
Beauty is different than qualifications and skills. Many of those beautiful women in OP (save for Alvida) are BORN that way, there is no way Lola could ever look pretty, no matter how much she diets ect. But for skills and intelligence, that is hard work. So they are not the same. Sanji was very rude to Kokoro due to her being an "ugly old woman". So his "respect and good manners to Women" are very limited. I don't call him a misogynist, since its not all women, but he does act chauvinistic due to how he acts depends totally on how a woman looks. But despite this flaw, I still accept Sanji as a character and do not call him useless. Heck its flaws that makes characters more interesting and not 1 dimensional …. They are annoying but interesting.
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Sanji won't necessarily eat it willingly/on purpose either. There are plenty ways how it could go.
Yea, I realise that, but I don't see Sanji fighting 1 on 1 with Akainu even if he did get the Mera Mera power, that'd probably be Luffy's task if anyone in the SH's were to. And a Magu Magu v Mera Mera rematch would be very interesting. Anyway it's just my thoughts, we'll see how things turn out
Please no.
I think Kin'emon is coming, just a matter of time
Coby is nowhere to be seen. And if the fruit symbolises Ace's will, he isn't a good candidate.
I know that Coby isn't anywhere to be seen at the moment, but there's nothing that says he won't show up now, or in the future, and obtain the Mera Mera.
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Objectification can be a result of misogynistic beliefs, but it isn't the only thing that can result in objectification. In Sanji's case, the issue is more that he puts women on such a high pedestal that he stops really being sensible or smart. And really, Sanji's beliefs are stupid, but I've seen nothing to suggest he thinks women are inferior in any way. He doesn't treat them as if they they're dumber, or should act subservient to men. If anything, the problem is that he treats women as superior to men, not inferior
Superficially speaking, Sanji should be regarded as the opposite of misogynistic, namely philogynistic (i hope you can say that). The thing is, that only applies to beautiful women which is the first degrading point. So, it is not his love for women which dictates his behavior but his love for beautiful women which is already sexist in itself. So, his love for beautiful women can be explained by 2 things: 1) he is a fanatic for aesthetics and 2.) he is sexually interested which is already supported by his perverted behavior. Since the second option seems much more viable than the first and has even started to determine his subconscious behavior, that has one consequence, his behavior towards women in general is influenced by his sexual interest in them which in turn is an objectification which is never philogynistic, no matter on what pedestal he might put beautiful women.
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Just one thing.
WHO THE HELL needs Mera Mera no Mi when we got:! http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3595/93675033.png
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5876/25101829.pngYou're right , who the hell does need it?
When any human being can burst into flames and gain Fire Abilities.
It's useless.
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Just one thing.
WHO THE HELL needs Mera Mera no Mi when we got:! http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3595/93675033.png
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5876/25101829.pngLooks like someone hasn't been to the Mera Mera thread.
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@Стрелок:
Suddenly treating pretty women differently is bad?
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Beauty is different than qualifications and skills. Many of those beautiful women in OP (save for Alvida) are BORN that way, there is no way Lola could ever look pretty, no matter how much she diets ect. But for skills and intelligence, that is hard work. So they are not the same. Sanji was very rude to Kokoro due to her being an "ugly old woman". So his "respect and good manners to Women" are very limited. I don't call him a misogynist, since its not all women, but he does act chauvinistic due to how he acts depends totally on how a woman looks. But despite this flaw, I still accept Sanji as a character and do not call him useless. Heck its flaws that makes characters more interesting and not 1 dimensional …. They are annoying but interesting.
But a lot of Sanji's behavior towards women is not restricted to pretty women. He refusal to hit women has been demonstrated to extyend towards all women, pretty or ugly. Sanji's a perverted ball of lust, and he clearly likes attractive women, but that doesn't mean he doesn't value other traits women have (He pretty much constantly praises Nami whenever she does anything intelligent for example). Also, intelligence and skills aren't entirely hard work. Talent is a real thing, especially as far as intelligence is concerned. Not everybody can be a world renowned physicist, regardless of how hard they work. Hard work is certainly important, but it still relies on a solid foundation of talent.
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Superficially speaking, Sanji should be regarded as the opposite of misogynistic, namely philogynistic (i hope you can say that). The thing is, that only applies to beautiful women which is the first degrading point. So, it is not his love for women which dictates his behavior but his love for beautiful women which is already sexist in itself. So, his love for beautiful women can be explained by 2 things: 1) he is a fanatic for aesthetics and 2.) he is sexually interested which is already supported by his perverted behavior. Since the second option seems much more viable than the first and has even started to determine his subconscious behavior, that has one consequence, his behavior towards women in general is influenced by his sexual interest in them which in turn is an objectification which is never philogynistic, no matter on what pedestal he might put beautiful women.
I'll admit Sanji treats pretty girls better than ugly ones, but he still usually treats the ugly ones with a certain level of respect beyond how he treats men. Case in point is that his refusal to hit women extended to all women, ugly and pretty
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Beauty is different than qualifications and skills. Many of those beautiful women in OP (save for Alvida) are BORN that way, there is no way Lola could ever look pretty, no matter how much she diets ect. But for skills and intelligence, that is hard work. So they are not the same. Sanji was very rude to Kokoro due to her being an "ugly old woman". So his "respect and good manners to Women" are very limited. I don't call him a misogynist, since its not all women, but he does act chauvinistic due to how he acts depends totally on how a woman looks. But despite this flaw, I still accept Sanji as a character and do not call him useless. Heck its flaws that makes characters more interesting and not 1 dimensional …. They are annoying but interesting.
Beauty and intelligence are the same actually. Both of them require work.
Sanji being rude to Kokoro was a joke, even Luffy and Zoro did it, even if they are asexual.
And btw learn the definition of "chauvinistic" because you look stupid when you use it inappropriately.
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Superficially speaking, Sanji should be regarded as the opposite of misogynistic, namely philogynistic (i hope you can say that). The thing is, that only applies to beautiful women which is the first degrading point. So, it is not his love for women which dictates his behavior but his love for beautiful women which is already sexist in itself. So, his love for beautiful women can be explained by 2 things: 1) he is a fanatic for aesthetics and 2.) he is sexually interested which is already supported by his perverted behavior. Since the second option seems much more viable than the first and has even started to determine his subconscious behavior, that has one consequence, his behavior towards women in general is influenced by his sexual interest in them which in turn is an objectification which is never philogynistic, no matter on what pedestal he might put beautiful women.
This is unfair. You never heard us complain about objectification of man. And it sounds to me like this is just a mere product of jealousy towards both man and woman.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
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Even if you don't realise it, there is no person to treat everyone exactly the same way.
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EVERYBODY HERE IS WRONG! Vivi is gonna eat the Mera Mera Fruit
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Why does most of the fanbase dread someone actually relevant to the story eating the Mera Mera?
Coby doesn't count for now, just because he's not around.
If Coby dropped from the heavens and ate this fruit , idk how I'd react.
Maybe because Sanji's already established without suddenly getting a devil fruit out of nowhere that he doesn't even need? He already used fire, because of how 'passionate' he is. The devil fruit will add absolutely nothing to his fighting style, he can turn his leg to fire entirely, sure, but you can't kick forcibly if your leg is intangible. He's strong enough already, I don't get people suddenly coming up with him being weak now, when he's hardly gotten to show off. you really think he couldn't go toe to toe with Zoro anymore? If he's suddenly able to throw fire around everywhere, that has nothing to do with any of his training whatsoever. Besides, I want a new person to get it, probably with a gag of them trying to learn it.
Aside, aside from that even! Sanji himself said he would only consider eating one fruit. That fruit is not the Mera Mera No Mi. Why are you supporters thinking he'll go against his own words?
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@Стрелок:
Beauty and intelligence are the same actually. Both of them require work.
I see no reason to continue this pisspoor excuse for a conversation with you, after this gem.
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