One Piece Mafia: Part II

Bogart

Lynches are random, unless you have the cop actually outting people.

"Random" is defined as being without definite aim, direction, rule, or method. All voting has an aim. Even if a random vote was your aim, you still had a reason to do so, right? Then it's not random. You're thinking in terms of probability- which you've already clarified. But getting defensive isn't going to convince anyone to cooperate with you, and at this point I'm not convinced you will accomplish more with your discussion than with powers, as you claimed.

@Harvady:

Do you believe that I've 'derailed' D1? Not all of the posts were about me, but I've clearly justified a wagon by being absent. If I'm as town as I think I am, is this helping the mafia? Also, discussion over powers.

"Obviously" to all statements. As Day One was on the fast track to NL-Town, a derailing is fine. Getting lynched if you're town will clearly help the mafia. All this attention doesn't bode well for you, if it only gets you lynched. I can't say I approve of your gambit. You're at L-1 with this.

Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus

This is taking far too long to decide. I have been sitting here for over an hour. Frankly, I have Wooden and Pyrofrost as my candidates.

@Wooden:

Was really hoping someone else would jump on your wagon, which seems to be what you were also waiting for. This begs the question, why didn't you?

Personally not very good at sparking lucrative discussion…

It's always possible lynch, the question is if it is a wise move or not. Baring any major slip-ups it will be for the most part random.

This doesn't make sense to me, can you clarify what you're saying?

Also, admitting you will be useless in discussion is a bad sign. You don't get credit for being honest, just suspected for promising passive play.

Any drawbacks to lynching is necessary, seeing as it is the entire point of the game. As you said, slip-ups don't happen without discussion, but your posts in general leave me wondering: what exactly are you planning to accomplish all game?

Wooden and Pyrofrost are implying that we will be relying on very "random" and limited powers that the game is designed to keep from being openly planned. You two are quite in-sync. If the easy-target Harvady turns out to be Town, that'll clinch it for me.

I would appreciate Town not hammering until we absolutely must. Galaxy and Harvady, do you two have anything major left to say before the day ends? We need to hurry.

Gooner

How much time is left?

Galaxy 9000

@Mrs.:

What would be a reason for someone to give up their role?

It would be nothing more than a slip up if it was done.

@Harvady:

Galaxy 9000: You voted me, but by the looks of your stance, you'll be getting off my wagon if I'm chatty enough? Did you want to vote me, or is this a policy lynch? Would you say that I provoked you into voting me? Because now there's a wagon on you, and it's not based on inactivity, but activity.

It was a policy lynch as I said. You didn't provoke me. Like I said, lurkers are one of two types of people who I will lynch on day 1.

That being said, you did come to the game (late, but that doesn't matter), so my stance remains the same.

Unvote Vote:No Lynch@Gooner:

How much time is left?

Holy posted at about 2 am est, so about 8 hours.

Gooner

@Galaxy:

Unvote Vote:No Lynch

Honestly wtf are you doing man, we're this close to a lynch.
Unvote
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus

Galaxy 9000

I've told you my policy. Maybe you didn't see it?

Pyrofrost

@Bogart:

"Random" is defined as being without definite aim, direction, rule, or method. All voting has an aim. Even if a random vote was your aim, you still had a reason to do so, right? Then it's not random. You're thinking in terms of probability- which you've already clarified. But getting defensive isn't going to convince anyone to cooperate with you, and at this point I'm not convinced you will accomplish more with your discussion than with powers, as you claimed.

I see you're point, and I'll conceed. There is no point of a continual back and forth for the sake of splitting hairs. I'll admit that I went a bit to far concerning this with Ice, and I apologize.

My point on favoritism, which Ice basically admitted to, still stands. However, there was no reason for her to colour it up with pretty words. If she wants to give Harvady preferential treatment, that's all good and fine. That's her prerogative. My point was just to call it what it is, without beating around the bush.
(This is where the idiom, "call a spade, a spade" comes from. It just means to be honest and direct, to not beat around the bush.) Considering that Ice was justifying the lynch wagon on me, while opposing the wagon on Harvady for doing the same thing with this statement; "It's a reputation thing. It isn't fair or logical, but it is understandable." I don't feel that I was asking too much, and I don't feel that I went too far.

Also, this is a spade

Wooden_Giraffe

@Bogart:

This doesn't make sense to me, can you clarify what you're saying?

What exactly do you want me to clarify? You used bits of two different posts here

@Bogart:

Also, admitting you will be useless in discussion is a bad sign. You don't get credit for being honest, just suspected for promising passive play.

Any drawbacks to lynching is necessary, seeing as it is the entire point of the game. As you said, slip-ups don't happen without discussion, but your posts in general leave me wondering: what exactly are you planning to accomplish all game?

Never said I was useless, i just don't think I'm that great at it, especially when I compare myself to some of the others here. I am aware of lynching being necessary, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. I was merely stating that certain lynches had drawbacks, which they do. Most decisions in this game cannot be made with 100% certainly and often requires going with your gut, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be aware of the consequences should we be wrong, that's called being reckless.

@Gooner:

Honestly wtf are you doing man, we're this close to a lynch.
Unvote
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus

I'm confused, are you suspicious of Harvady? Or are you just that desperate for a D1 lynch?

@Pyrofrost:

Considering that Ice was justifying the lynch wagon on me, while opposing the wagon on Harvady for doing the same thing with this statement; "It's a reputation thing. It isn't fair or logical, but it is understandable." I don't feel that I was asking too much, and I don't feel that I went too far.

There was never a wagon on you, it was on Galaxy.

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A little over 3 hours left btw.

Gooner

@Wooden_Giraffe:

I'm confused, are you suspicious of Harvady? Or are you just that desperate for a D1 lynch?

No I'm not. But we are L-1…all of it will be for naught if someone doesn't get lynched. I want a lynch dammit! Someone hammer you useless cowardly players!!! (don't take offence it's said in a sarcastic manner)

Wooden_Giraffe

Shuhan/Stereo Mike: It's been more then 48 hours since we've heard from either of you. Even if you don't agree with the wagon on Harvady the least you can do is show up and say so.

Stereo Mike

Sorry, 8am and all, just woke up and weekend was awesome but not exactly one for mafia intrugue.

I'm happy enough reading back that given no reason given from Havady for not posting besides "giving us leeway" (to lynch him I assume, though I think he said appoint a leader).

My only reason for not voting is its the final vote and was kindly asked not to hammer.

I'm content on Havady atm, if not, confident. Most reasonable choice, its complete speculation and guesswork but anyone else is slightly even more so.

Gooner

@Stereo:

Sorry, 8am and all, just woke up and weekend was awesome but not exactly one for mafia intrugue.

I'm happy enough reading back that given no reason given from Havady for not posting besides "giving us leeway" (to lynch him I assume, though I think he said appoint a leader).

My only reason for not voting is its the final vote and was kindly asked not to hammer.

I'm content on Havady atm, if not, confident. Most reasonable choice, its complete speculation and guesswork but anyone else is slightly even more so.

Cool. Now if you could kindly vote. Thank you.

Galaxy 9000

@Gooner:

No I'm not. But we are L-1…all of it will be for naught if someone doesn't get lynched. I want a lynch dammit! Someone hammer you useless cowardly players!!! (don't take offence it's said in a sarcastic manner)

That makes no sense. "We should lynch just because we are close anyways". That's what you're saying, if I understand correctly…

Holygamer999

Voting is now disabled,as Shuhan has told me he needs to quit. Please wait for end of day message, but feel free to continue talking.

Wooden_Giraffe

If I'm not mistaken we have another 40ish minutes.

Holygamer999

@Wooden_Giraffe:

If I'm not mistaken we have another 40ish minutes.

Yes, but Shuhan quit, so I'm ending the night.

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"The townspeople were split in half: one side gunning for Harvady Alumnus, the other wishing for the death of Galaxy 9000. Just as it seemed that Harvady would be forced on the chopping block, a giant rock came out of nowhere and crushed Shuhan."

! Shuhan has been killed. He was a Townsperson- he had no special abilities.

**Day One has ended.

Players Left Alive**
1.Wooden_Giraffe
2.Galaxy 9000
3.Stereo Mike
4.Pyrofrost
5.Bogart
6.Mrs. Iceburg
7.Gooner
8.Harvady Alumnus ****It is now Night One. You have 48 hours to send in any and all Night Actions.

Make sure to check your inbox to see if you received an ability. (Talking during the Night Phase is a capital offense. Do not post during the Night Phase.)****

Holygamer999

_******Night One has ended.
Sorry for this being a little late. Anywho….

"The townspeople gathered outside the next day, only to discover the mangled body of the mayor's wife:******_

! Mrs. Iceburg has been killed. She was a townsperson- she had no special abilities. _Players Left Alive_ 1.Wooden_Giraffe
2.Galaxy 9000
3.Stereo Mike
4.Pyrofrost
5.Bogart
6.Gooner
7.Harvady Alumnus
Vote Count: With seven alive it takes four to lynch.
Not Voting [7]: Wooden_Giraffe, Galaxy 9000, Stereo Mike, Pyrofrost, Bogart, Gooner, Harvady Alumnus ****It is now Day Two. You have 72 hours to achieve a lynch._**_**

Pyrofrost

Just here to say hello.

@Wooden_Giraffe:

There was never a wagon on you, it was on Galaxy.

Just to answer your statement from yesterday, I know there was not a wagon on me yesterday. If you had kept up with the conversation, then you would know that I was talking about Myself last game D-1 vs. Harvady this game D-1. It was simply a comparison, that is all.

Gooner

Vote Lynch: Stereo Mike You die buddy. You had the chance to hammer Harvady…why didn't you. You acknowledged we had basically no time left, and you even took the time to come on here and write a paragraph of nonsense and at the end tack on that you suspect Harvady....if you did why didn't you hammer? Mafia slip-up right here guys, no excuses you're getting lynched Mike.

Pyrofrost

WHY IS NOBODY POSTING**?!**

That said, I agree with Gooner. We had a guy at L-1 and Stereo Mike failed to drop the final vote, with this as a reason:
@Stereo:

My only reason for not voting is its the final vote and was kindly asked not to hammer.

lolwut!

Lynch Vote: Stereo Mike

Harvady Alumnus

The Mrs. Iceburg Collection

! @Mrs.:
! > To answer your question, Bogart, I make my own luck. I'll make the most of everything, ability or not.

The real question here is
(who) do we lynch today~

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+1 Wooden
! @Mrs.:
! > I'm for a Lynch today, but only after and based on discussion (or lack thereof).

What would be a reason for someone to give up their role?
! @Mrs.:
! > How is that an answer? >.>
! @Mrs.:
! > What are you saying Pyrofrost, that unless we have a Cop, there's nothing we can do to save the Town?

And Galaxy 9000, you haven't answered my question yet.

I'm a bit conflicted about lynching Harvady. It's annoying that he won't post, but the chance that he actually is Mafia is small. And if he gets lynched today, we have no Harvy for the rest of the game. But it could certainly be interesting to see what his flip brings at this point.

Anyway, to balance it out a bit, I'll add to the second wagon.
Vote Lynch: Galaxy 9000
! @Mrs.:
! > "Based on reasoning and arguments" is not the same as "random". I'll agree that lynching someone a gamble, but it's never a random gamble. But now we're discussing semantics.

Which is not very likely. A chance of 2 out of 9.

It's a reputation thing. It isn't fair or logical, but it is understandable.

Now, time is running out. Those who haven't voted yet, please do.

@Harvady:

Gooner: I suppose that there's less point in asking now. It does seem apparent that you instigated Galaxy's vote. It seems like you did what I was going to do. Do you think that there's mafia on my wagon of two?

Stereo Mike: If I gave you the reigns, no responsibility or liability, who would you vote? Would you want to vote? Do you think that your level of activity is more or less disruptive than mine?

Didn't get an answer to these. Would still like answers though.

@Gooner:

Vote Lynch: Stereo Mike

You die buddy. You had the chance to hammer Harvady…why didn't you. You acknowledged we had basically no time left, and you even took the time to come on here and write a paragraph of nonsense and at the end tack on that you suspect Harvady....if you did why didn't you hammer? Mafia slip-up right here guys, no excuses you're getting lynched Mike.

His lack of vote is very disconcerting. There wasn't any reason to hold back a vote. I was the logical choice at the 60 hour mark. Bogart asked for an eventual hammer, just not an immediate one. Stereo Mike, are you going to vote me again?

Didn't expect a second vote while I was posting.

Next vote is L-1. Also:

@Gooner:

Vote Lynch: Stereo Mike You die buddy. You had the chance to hammer Harvady…why didn't you. You acknowledged we had basically no time left, and you even took the time to come on here and write a paragraph of nonsense and at the end tack on that you suspect Harvady....if you did why didn't you hammer? Mafia slip-up right here guys, no excuses you're getting lynched Mike.

You voted almost exactly 12 hours after day start.

@Pyrofrost:

WHY IS NOBODY POSTING**?!**

That said, I agree with Gooner. We had a guy at L-1 and Stereo Mike failed to drop the final vote, with this as a reason:

lolwut!

Lynch Vote: Stereo Mike

Exactly 24 hours after day start.

Seriously?

Galaxy 9000

Ehhh.. I don't see him not voting 5 hours before the end of the day as suspicious at all.

If it hadn't been for the early day end, I'm sure he would've eventually done it.

Wooden_Giraffe

The day ended only one hour early, sure Bogart requested he wait but that's no reason to take it the last minute, especially considering the trouble Gooner gave him after he hesitated.

Pyrofrost

@Harvady:

Exactly 24 hours after day start.

Seriously?

Purely coincidence, I actually just woke up.

I will ask one question of every player besides Gooner though.

Why are we over 24 hours into the day phase before people start talking? We all signed up to play, confirmed our roles, and posted in the last day phase…I don't get it.

Holygamer999

Vote Count: With seven alive it takes four to lynch.
Stereo Mike [2]: Gooner, Pyrofrost
Not Voting [5]: Wooden_Giraffe, Galaxy 9000, Stereo Mike, Bogart, Harvady Alumnus

Stereo Mike

Guys I don't mind this lynch on me, since I'll die as normal townperson and the two that set up and led the lynch on me are highly likely mafia.

The next logical step is to lynch them next phase, since they jumped on me pretty quick with no basis other than im not online as much as they'd like me to be.

Which is fair enough but the field is narrowed and the cop may have info. Pyro even knows I am away atm. All a bit suspect since I believe he probably expected he could get a wagon up before i even got home and got online, airport internet. Lol.

In summary, i think its a mafia play and be happy to go down if it gives you at least one if not both mafia.

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Vote: Lynch Pyrofrost.

Whichever you guys decide you get a mafia. Either you get me dead as normal townie and then Pyro and prob Gooner next phases. Or you lynch Pyro and get him anyway.

fact he knows im away in the city and leads a wagon on me at that time convinces me he is mafia, Gooner following up suggests its both of them trying to force a wagon on someone he suspected wouldn't be online.

Wooden_Giraffe

@Stereo:

The next logical step is to lynch them next phase, since they jumped on me pretty quick with no basis other than im not online as much as they'd like me to be.

Well that's just not true. Did you even read their arguments when they voted you?

Stereo Mike

Yeah, didn't post etc.

Well that's known to him, the only part that would be a surprise to them is that I am here at all to defend.

Like I say, this is good for town anyway. If you feel better lynching me to find out, go ahead, one town for a def mafia is a fair trade.

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Ok, I gtg again now.

I didn't hammer as there was time left and someone had posted to the effect of using the remaining time left so I held off and when I came back day had ended and someone had left.

That's it, its being used as leeway. Either way starting a wagon by two people before any results from the previous night have a chance to come is damning on Gooner, since we might have real info.

Good for mafia anyway, since me not lynching Havardy would be awful if he was mafia but as far as I can tell he isn't confirmed as anything of the sort.

The rush to lynch someone who Pyro would have expected not to be on to defend themselves is pretty damning from where I sit, given I know my role.

Either way, you guys will soon know the same too and see the same.

Gooner

@Stereo:

Guys I don't mind this lynch on me, since I'll die as normal town person.

Ofcourse you'd say that. Everyone will, thats not a valid defence.

The next logical step is to lynch them next phase, since they jumped on me pretty quick with no basis other than im not online as much as they'd like me to be.

Ummmm try reading my post first before you respond lol.

Which is fair enough but the field is narrowed and the cop may have info.

More than 24 hours have passed and the cop hasn't revealed anything, safe to say the cop isn't going to.

In summary, i think its a mafia play and be happy to go down if it gives you at least one if not both mafia.

Good, then vote lynch yourself. You heard me correctly, prove to us you're town if you're so adamant about being a martyr. Vote lynch yourself.

fact he knows im away in the city and leads a wagon on me at that time convinces me he is mafia, Gooner following up suggests its both of them trying to force a wagon on someone he suspected wouldn't be online.

Your argument here is completely flawed. First Pyrofrost didn't start the wagon on you…I did. I didn't follow up, I started it for legitimate reasons. Second, what do you mean by he knows you're away? How does he know that? Have you guys been talking outside this game? And if thats the case, what does that have to do with the wagon....I started it 12 hours before he even made a post.

I'm sorry Mike but you gotta go. Message to the rest of the players, wake up and do something.

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To answer Harvady: I think Galaxy is suspicious.

Stereo Mike

Nice conclusion you just jumped, yes we talk outside the game all the time. It comes with being friends with someone. We just don't discuss the game as per the rules. reaching much? Geezus.

Think you have been caught rushing a lynch not even considering there might be legit info out there, because someone requested I don't end the day early with my vote and I obliged.

What makes it seem even more dodgy for you is you pushing the lynch, immediately backed up by one other vote and no one else Wagoned.

Either I die and you or pyro get lynched tomorrow or pyro gets lynched. Result for you id the same.

Since reaching so hard for someone NOT voting immediately just coz you 'told me to' is sucky reasoning. Iirc I even said I will hammer at game end but was requested in thread not to.

Id let it go admit you have absoluetly no idea whatsoever and give a chance for any info to come out if you truly are just a feeling townie. But from what I gather you know what you are going and whether I get lynched or not come end of the phase you are sprung.

Galaxy 9000

@Gooner:

To answer Harvady: I think Galaxy is suspicious.

Why am I suspicious?

Also, do remember that if a cop even exists, they can't even reveal their roll until 2 days after they get it.

Stereo Mike

Horrible predictive text on lame phone is horrible.

Apologies for that. derping = feeling (how are those even similar words)

As I say, the harder they push when they have nothing besides me not capping as I was asked to and NOT being ABLE to cap when day was supposed to end, since someone withdrew. Yet HE IS SO SURE, that I have to go, not interested in any further info, from what I gather in the previous game and this one, Gooner knows a bit about the game and has played alot, so seems tunnel vision is unlikely.

Either way, Gooner/ Pyro, seriously, consider how you and Pyro are going to talk your way out of this come tomorrow, since pushing so hard, a la tunnel vision, over waiting info to come or be discovered normally in day phase will be real issue for you.

Hell, I'm convinced your BOTH mafia at this stage. Since I know you have nothing, I know your wrong and there is no real reason to hit me over any one else and so early (esp before half the people - and potential cops had even posted). It all says to me that I was away, you used that fact to try and push through an easy lynch on someone who probably wouldn't be on to defend themselves, hoping the dodgy reasoning of "waited to post hammer last phase, so MUST be MAFIA, why even wait to see what might be out there, lets just push it through".

Problem was, people didn't just follow and I managed to get online.

Anyway, plenty of explanation there. Either way, I be shocked if we haven't found one if not two mafia now. Either that, or very poorly made lynch on behalf of two townies I was led to believe have both played alot previously.

Pyrofrost

@Stereo:

Vote: Lynch Pyrofrost.

Whichever you guys decide you get a mafia. Either you get me dead as normal townie and then Pyro and prob Gooner next phases. Or you lynch Pyro and get him anyway.

fact he knows im away in the city and leads a wagon on me at that time convinces me he is mafia, Gooner following up suggests its both of them trying to force a wagon on someone he suspected wouldn't be online.

Have you not been reading mate, I quoted my reason for lynching you and it had nothing to do with you're inactivity, but what you said.

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Here is a link provided for your convenience to my vote post, read the quote in it bro: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32935&page=537&p=2886339&viewfull=1#post2886339

Harvady Alumnus

I would like to ask Gooner and Pyrofrost: If Mike is Mafia, who is his partner?

As for the wagon itself, it reads as though Mike is the victim of a scum play. He's stated several times that he held off on my wagon due to the wish of not wanting the day to end early. Right or wrong, true or false, there isn't anything more that can be gained by arguing the matter. Do I think it was 'town' of him not to put the hammer before another player's request? No. Do I think that he wasn't going to vote me at all? No. There were some extenuating circumstances on D1 with Shuhan's untimely death. Mike could easily be hiding behind the premature day's end as mafia, but it hardly seems like the case, as there was no way he would have known that Shuhan's exit would override the town wagon. It was far easier to vacate the thread, rather than work around the moderator's judgement.

This discussion that Mike has introduced about his inactivity is also scum like. It was quite disingenuous of him to assume that Pyrofrost was using prior knowledge of Mike's schedule to convict him. That sort of argument has no relevancy to the rest of us, and would not be conclusive enough for us to throw in with his wagon. It more or less goes without saying that we won't just take his word for it.

I'll say this: If Mike is mafia, then his partner is not throwing him under the bus. Gooner and Pyro have brought this wagon on aggressively, and would have benefited just as much, if not far more, from being silent as a dead mafia would only mean more information, narrowing the field.

Galaxy 9000, do you think that the mafia benefits more from a Mislynch, or a No-Lynch?

If Mike is town, then there's just as much reason to suspect Gooner and Pyrofrost of being mafia (though, more than likely not together) as there is town. What precisely is Mike guilty of? Causing a NL? Someone died D1, someone we no longer have to spend time on. Being uncoordinated with town? Galaxy's the same way.

Stereo Mike, you said I was worth lynching. Am I still?

Admittedly, his defense does not deliver anything that can be further discussed. Which is why he will most likely be at the end of his rope today. The main problem I have with this wagon is that it is much too easy. Still, there are many more people yet to weigh in.

Stereo Mike

@Pyrofrost:

Have you not been reading mate, I quoted my reason for lynching you and it had nothing to do with you're inactivity, but what you said.

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Here is a link provided for your convenience to my vote post, read the quote in it bro: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32935&page=537&p=2886339&viewfull=1#post2886339

/responded.

You obviously didn't read at all. I was requested not to rush the end of the day phase, so I didn't simple. When I got back to close it out someone had withdrawn and day phase was over.

That's it. By your logic, if I was saving Havady then we are partnered and I know cos I am the other mafia. If not, the day ending early and me not being able to lynch him SAVED a townie, not vice versa.

Any reason, that is your main reason to rush a lynch through in the first 4 posts of the game?

Is holding off on the final vote mean = automatic mafia in your minds? If it does, I'd love to know how you made that leap.

I'm not defending that any further as its just a ridiculous notion, that Gooner is "sure" and I "have to go" that anyone can see that plain as day. All he is doing here is digging himself a hole. The fact its me, you knew I was going to be away and Gooner rushed it with, well, no real basis at all. Tbh, lack of posting would have been a more "Sure" thing than what your using. Hope you didn't get sucked into this and you are teamed, cos, my only fear is Gooner is mafia and your not and your getting played (mostly due to "can't decide on anything better"). All things involved together makes me think you are teamed and worked it out as a strategy together.

Esp given no one following and defending the lynch as "sure" when there is NOTHING there that could lead you to thinking its a sure thing, whatsoever.

As it stands, either way, one of you gets lynched tomorrow immediately following my lynch. So, I truly have nothing to worry about since, nothing even slightly to hide.

@havardy Idk mang you ask lots of questions, if I missed one, then remind me. I think you were a legit target up until something happened that makes me 90% on Gooner and 75% on Pyro. Too convenient.

This is an easy lynch on me, not like I have said don't do it, just make sure you do what is required NEXT phase once everything I have said is proven and don't let them talk their way out of it.

OFC a cop can confirm everything I am saying in a heartbeat tonight and then the two are legit targets.

If you think not adding a hammer until the phase is ending to allow extra discussion is a lynchable offense, then no offence, just go ahead and do it and I don't get why this is regarded as intelligent play, on ANY game format, let alone this one.

TBH, I'm back for a day then away again, so I truly could care less about getting lynched. Town still obviously has plenty of numbers given the solid basis for this wagon.

What I worry about for town, is they lynch me, I die as townie AND THEN they get talked around by Gooner and Pyro tomorrow. Mind you if Pyro has simply derped and followed a mafia led lynch, the logical thing at this point is the second mafia (assuming its just Gooner so far) gets on and tries to reinvigorate the wagon.

Anyway, this phase will likely give both mafia up without much hassle based on what the said/voted and when.

Been fun. Just if you do lynch me, do whats smart tomorrow and don't buy the lame "waited two hours to hammer and should have known someone might withdraw and day might end a hour early" since lets be honest, its the most BS reason ever.

Pyrofrost

@Harvady:

I would like to ask Gooner and Pyrofrost: If Mike is Mafia, who is his partner?

Simply put, I don't know. Also, it wasn't his not wanting to rush the vote that bothered me; it was the, "I was kindly asked not to hammer" part of his statement. Also, there are no better suspects right now because people aren't talking. For Christ's sake, we went over 24 hours into the day before people besides Gooner and I started talking. Did everyone need a grief period to get over the IceQueen's untimely death?!

@Stereo:

I was requested not to rush the end of the day phase, so I didn't simple.

That's what doesn't make sense!

The you were requested part. I don't see a request posted anywhere in this thread, that's for sure. If you wouldn't have stated yesterday, "I was kindly asked not to hammer," then I honestly wouldn't suspect you. If your wagon on me goes anywhere though, I will kindly switch my vote if you get me to L-1.
I'm at 1/4 right now….get me to 3/4 and I will make it 4/4. Good luck!

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Hmmm, well, I found the post and I am satisfied.

@Bogart:

I would appreciate Town not hammering until we absolutely must. Galaxy and Harvady, do you two have anything major left to say before the day ends? We need to hurry.

Unvote: Stereo Mike please

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Lynch Vote: Gooner

Right now it makes as much sense as anyone else. If I found the post corroborating his story, I know you could have.

Stereo Mike

Unlynch: Lynch Gooner
i'm pretty content on it being Gooner and one other. If I had to guess his partner, assuming its not Pyro, given the above, its possibly Havady, since Gooner started a wagon, couldn't back it up (at least with any logical reason - as I said inactivity would've worked better), it failed to gather momentum, then Havady comes to generate more input and try and foster buy in without actually lynching me himself.

I'm not at all confident on the havady piece, Gooner's plan was fine, he just tried to start a wagon with poor reasoning and not enough inactivity to hide behind (and therefore not enough momentum). If he had never played before, I'd say ok, but was led to believe he had played plenty.

I sleep now, GN.

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In case you want the pretty and formal wording.

**Unlynch : Pyrofrost

Lynch Vote : Gooner**

Wooden_Giraffe

So you think that just because Pyro unvoted on you that he's not mafia?

Stereo Mike

My reasoning on Pyro was he was potentially teamed with Gooner, who as was quite rightly pointed out, the one that initiated that lynch.

If he is willing to lynch his team mate, then, yep, has me fooled.

Wooden_Giraffe

Your other scenario has the mafia being Gooner/Havardy, but Gooner voted Harvady on D1 and was the one pressuring you to hammer the most.

Pyrofrost

@Wooden_Giraffe:

Your other scenario has the mafia being Gooner/Havardy, but Gooner voted Harvady on D1 and was the one pressuring you to hammer the most.

His wording doesn't suggest assurance on Havardy on his part though:

@Stereo:

i'm pretty content on it being Gooner and one other. If I had to guess his partner, assuming its not Pyro, given the above, its possibly Havady, since Gooner started a wagon, couldn't back it up (at least with any logical reason - as I said inactivity would've worked better), it failed to gather momentum, then Havady comes to generate more input and try and foster buy in without actually lynching me himself.

I'm not at all confident on the havady piece, Gooner's plan was fine, he just tried to start a wagon with poor reasoning and not enough inactivity to hide behind (and therefore not enough momentum). If he had never played before, I'd say ok, but was led to believe he had played plenty.

I sleep now, GN.

It suggests that he is taking a shot in the dark because he is kinda suspicious.

I'm suspicious of him as well though. Last game, Harvady was assertive and proactive as hell. This game he is being lazy as hell. I don't understand a reason for that, and it only makes me suspicious.

Galaxy 9000

You used the wrong syntax Stereo.

@Harvady:

Galaxy 9000, do you think that the mafia benefits more from a Mislynch, or a No-Lynch?

With seven people alive, they definitely benefit from a mislynch. We could accidently lynch another townie, and then they get to kill another townie in the night.

Gooner

LOL Stereo bro you are so amateur. Grasping at straws here.

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@Wooden_Giraffe:

Your other scenario has the mafia being Gooner/Havardy, but Gooner voted Harvady on D1 and was the one pressuring you to hammer the most.

Hahahaha thank you. This completely debunkes Mike's argument. I wanted Harvady lynched the most. Honest question Mike, do you have the ability to read past posts properly? This is like the 4th time you've misread the situation.

You just stated above that you now don't believe Pyro is mafia because you don't think they'd turn on each other….well in order for me and Harvady to be mafia....that requires me to have turned on him....do you really think I'd throw him under the bus...ON DAY ONE?!

LOL weak sauce.

Harvady Alumnus

This has become strange quickly.

Pyrofrost, I applaud your willingness to vote, but I'd also like to see you put the same enthusiasm to your investigations. Your stance is difficult to make out at this point.

The majority of town already knew that Mike was referencing Bogart's request. I would have voted Mike knowing full well that he had a disclaimer to his staving off of the wagon. There were more tells than just his decision on D1.

You jumped on Mike without understanding his motives, and now you've turned your gaze on the person who's wagon you supported. Why should town follow suit with this lynch? What is there to convince us?

Also, you have stated many times that you are discontent with the level of activity of the other players. Understandable. But at some point, you've got to move on. There is a difference between activity and contribution. If someone stands out as mafia based on that inactivity, then make your vote about that.

Stereo Mike, I do not understand your reasoning behind voting Gooner. I believe that you have misinterpreted events.

You stated that his wagon did not have proper reasoning. The concept that a-person-who-seeks-an-easy-lynch-is-mafia is a sound correlation. The amount of insight that can be gained on D1 is limited to D1. There was just as much reason to vote him as there was me. Or are you saying that the wagon on me also had poor reasoning?

You stated that it did not gain momentum. Three votes out of five is a real wagon. Especially when the remaining players are undecided. If you look at the vote count on D1, Galaxy's wagon, as started by Gooner, reached three votes before the wagon on me did. Do you still say that this wagon was without momentum? If not, how could you justify a vote based on that?

Unfortunately, I am of the opinion that there are oversights and errors in these accusations. The only natural course of action is to determine the cause of these detriments. Do I believe that these instances are intentional?

Pyrofrost was willing to push a wagon without fully understanding the circumstances. Mafia benefits from such a loose cannon. It gives the impression that Pyrofrost will vote anyone given the provocation.

Stereo Mike is willing to OMGUS. I can't say that mafia benefits other than the fact that town might react to it hostilely.

My larger concerns are with Wooden_Giraffe, Galaxy 9000 and Bogart. They are on the chopping block, despite reasons they should be. I'll go into it soon.

Gooner

@Pyrofrost:

Hmmm, well, I found the post and I am satisfied.

You're joking right…
You haven't seen that post by Bogart till now..? That was the whole core of this entire dilemma!

Might I also add, fellow players, notice how quick Mike changed his mind on Pyro...didn't even question why Pyro had such a sudden change of mind. Typical mafia move to flip-flop.

Bogart

Gooner votes Stereo Mike. Pyrofrost votes Stereo Mike. Mike votes Pyrofrost. Pyrofrost gets off of Mike and jumps onto Gooner. Right after that Mike jumps onto Gooner.

Of these three people, which person is the most indecisive? Hint: it's not Gooner. The entire episode started with Gooner jumping on Mike for not hammering. Harvady has already said what I think; that Mike didn't hammer because I requested time for Harvady to respond, and the day ended abruptly. No one could have predicted that. Mike's response was very sub-par, accusing people of being Mafia simply because they voted him. Pyrofrost went along with this vote without even reading about the situation, then switched onto Gooner because he thinks Gooner didn't see Mike's reasoning. I doubt that Gooner ignored Mike's post- he's just not convinced by it. Mike and Pyro are both getting vote-happy, but it's clear Mike is being led around by Pyrofrost. They're not both mafia.

Vote Lynch: Pyrofrost

Stereo Mike

~sigh.

No point responding. I haven't changed my mind and am not likely to.

Leave it to you guys to sort out.

Galaxy 9000

Mike, your vote isn't being counted. You didn't type it right.

Harvady Alumnus

! @Galaxy:
! > The only lynch I will ever support on the first day is a lurker, or somebody who gives up their role for some reason.

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Discussion definitely, because of the small chance of actually getting a power.
! @Galaxy:
! > I sure would.
Unless his lurking ends, I will advocate for his lynch. As I said, lurkers are one of two types of people that I will agree to lynch on the first day.

VoteLynch: Harvady Alumnus
! @Galaxy:
! > It would be nothing more than a slip up if it was done.

It was a policy lynch as I said. You didn't provoke me. Like I said, lurkers are one of two types of people who I will lynch on day 1.

That being said, you did come to the game (late, but that doesn't matter), so my stance remains the same.

Unvote Vote:No Lynch
Holy posted at about 2 am est, so about 8 hours.
! @Galaxy:
! > I've told you my policy. Maybe you didn't see it?
! @Galaxy:
! > That makes no sense. "We should lynch just because we are close anyways". That's what you're saying, if I understand correctly…
! @Galaxy:
! > Ehhh.. I don't see him not voting 5 hours before the end of the day as suspicious at all.

If it hadn't been for the early day end, I'm sure he would've eventually done it.

@Galaxy:

Why am I suspicious?

Also, do remember that if a cop even exists, they can't even reveal their roll until 2 days after they get it.

You haven't taken any stance. That's why you're a suspect. I don't know who your suspects are, or even if you have any.

@Galaxy:

With seven people alive, they definitely benefit from a mislynch. We could accidently lynch another townie, and then they get to kill another townie in the night.

Based on this answer, what are you planning to do today?

Of all of your posts, you have only proven that you are concerned about mislynches. Despite the complete roundabout reasoning and contradictions, Pyrofrost and Stereo Mike have been brought to scrutiny through their contributions. To have gone this far without any contributions, is a red flag. I would put Wooden_Giraffe in the same category. Bogart hasn't been active either, but he does vote, and at least one of his suspects are clear.

I do want to vote Galaxy 9000 today, but we are nearing the 48 hour mark, so I will add to a wagon rather than start my own.

Vote Lynch: Pyrofrost

Galaxy 9000

It's like you want me to just vote for fun.

I carefully choose when I want to vote, and when I don't. There is little to go off of even here. Two sides arguing over who is lying or not really doesn't give me any suspicious vibes at all.

If you truly want my stance on the day though?

Vote Lynch: No Lynch

Gooner

Galaxy so far this game you have been absolutely useless. Give you're thoughts on all remaining players. Now.