Strawhats vs CP9 (who will fight?)

Ivotas

Usopp having fight Kaku would mean that either Zoro or Sanji will have to take on one of the weaker CP9 guys and I donÂ´t see that happening. And true that Merry means lot for Usopp but personally I donÂ´t really feel the need to have another "for Merry" fight after the great Luffy vs. Usopp confrontation. I would prefer it if that is UsoppÂ´s only fight because of that motive. Just my personal taste. And the longnose thing isnÂ´t much of a reason for me to see those two take it out.

Usopp would much better fit with Fukuro, not because of the reason that most speculated here with shooting something in his mouth and then zipping it but because of the fact that a liar and secret teller would be confronted here. I see there lot more potential for some interesting chapters then if it is a longnose fight. And the Merry thing is old as far as Usopp is concerned. If somebody other then Usopp or Luffy fight for Merry then it would be a new thing that would also show how pissed the other Strawhats can get about Merry.

Plus if Zoro would fight Kaku also for the sake of Merry then it would be actually a great "closing the cirlce" thing because Zoro and Kaku first met on Going Merry when nobody else was around.

*Vivi*

@Ivotas:

Plus if Zoro would fight Kaku also for the sake of Merry then it would be actually a great "closing the cirlce" thing because Zoro and Kaku first met on Going Merry when nobody else was around.

I'm seriously taking this possibility into consideration at the moment… I don't think that particular meeting happened for nothing... we'll probably see the consequences of that...
I'm still amazed by the Blueno facing Luffy thing... I didn't really expect that...

Buccaneer

Soge King would not fight for the Merry.

I wanted a longnose match, but I don't really care, I just want Usopp to have a standing fight.

I guess I see Zoro taking Kumadori, since Spandam now seems a bit reserved.

Shinryuu_Ray

lmao as amusing as that strip is Changsho I already saw it

I like Ivotas' closing the circle theory between Zoro and Kaku

I wouldn't say Usopp is unpredictable, he's quick witted

-When he fought Chuu back in the Arlong arch, he faked his death with his ketchup star and used a sake and fire star combo and finished the fight with multiple Usopp hammers

-Fighting Mr 4, I was surprised Usopp got up after the 4-ton bat. that was kind of…. weird.... Regardless he took constant beatings from Mrs Merryxmas with the Moge Moge High Way and turned everything around by tricking Mr 4 into smacking Mrs Merryxmas

-Luffy and Usopp's fight went the way it did only because Usopp prepared for it. Remember he issued the challenge at a set time? I honestly doubt Usopp would have fought the way he did if he had not had that time span to prep for his fight

2/3 of those fights Usopp already knew the skills of his opponents and used that to his advantage. Again I say he's seen Kaku's moves maybe twice? Not even the tip of the ice burg. All the planning in the world can't prep Usopp for Kaku's super ultra moves of what ever, cuz I know for sure all the CP9 have some sort of ace up their sleeves

but back to my argument, All of usopp's fights till now have been fought with his wit not unpredictably (sp?) if you want unpredictable look at Luffy and his Ally robo XD

Sogeking and Kaku fight aside, does anyone have any new predictions about the straw hat vs CP9 line ups? The scenario might be different now since Spandam has Franky and Robin chained still and Blueno met Luffy first if it stays like this we'll have something like...

Franky + Robin w/ Spandam
Luffy vs Blueno
CP9 (remaining 6) on their way to vs Luffy + SH
SH (5) on their way to help Luffy vs CP9

If Luffy knocks out Blueno eliminating him from the standings we'd have a good 6 vs 6 with Franky and Robin vs Spandam

It a high possibility Luffy might beat down Blueno before the other CP9 get there since Blueno has no claws so his Shigan wouldn't really effect Luffy.... and we all know Luffy hits WAY harder then Sanji does xD if that scenario does occur maybe the match ups would be.....

Luffy vs Blueno
THEN
Luffy vs Lucci
Zoro vs Kaku
Sanji vs Jyabura
Nami vs Kalipha
Chopper vs Kumadori
Sogeking vs Fukurou

Since Spandam pissed Robin off, I think it's safe to say Robin will be smacking him around and of course Franky will be pulling off some new tricks! He ein't a cyborg for nothing! With the remaining CP9 going to the SH Franky is free to cause chaos and free robin. Maybe Spandam will eat the DF(s) and get super strong and we'll see a pretty crazy fight.... maybe not xD what are your thoughts?

Buccaneer

Usopp actually does know Kaku's attacks. He's seen Rankyaku, Soru, Tekkai, and Shigan. the hardest part would be countering the speed.

I've kinda given up on Soge-Kaku, but I think Sanji could fill in there. He owes Kaku a kick in the face.

Irresistiblement

I can't imagine Robin going after Spandam. Sure, he punched her in the face and has said a lot of nasty stuff to her, but that doesn't mean that she is after his blood for retaliation. She has more or less lost her will to do anything, in my opinon. Franky has a much deeper bitterness towards Spandam (after all he ruined Franky's life and the lives of those who mattered most to him) and thats who I ultimately see getting the last hit in on him.

Of course, if Lucci doesn't turn on Spandam, that is.

And even in light of this whole Luffy vs. Blueno thing, I'm still hoping for a delay in the fight, putting Luffy out for a couple of chapters, and a Sanji vs. Blueno smack down. But its really anyone's guess at this point in time.

changsho

@Buccaneer:

Usopp actually does know Kaku's attacks. He's seen Rankyaku, Soru, Tekkai, and Shigan. the hardest part would be countering the speed.

I've kinda given up on Soge-Kaku, but I think Sanji could fill in there. He owes Kaku a kick in the face.

I wouldn't mind Sanji tackling Kaku. However, Blueno also seems like a fitting opponent for him. As long as Luffy didn't knock him out cold. Robin's absence makes the CP9 outnumber the StrawHats.

I just hope that Luffy doesn't beat Blueno, Lucci AND Spandam. I mean, that would be lame.

CosmicDebris

I prefer the idea of Sanji fighting Blueno and Zoro fighting Jyabura.
After all, we saw that Sanji almost broke through Blueno's tekkai.

Shinryuu_Ray

in the CP9 ranks Blueno was the 4th right? or was Kumadori higher then him?

If Luffy was delayed from fighting for what ever reason

he was injured
knocked out
knocked into the ocean
sleeping
stuck between buildings again xD

some crazy shit like that I doubt the other straw hats would survive Lucci, cuz he made it clear he was itching for a fight

The reason why I think Robin will go after spandam is cuz of what he said in the most recent chapter. That the SH would be captured or killed (how ever it's read) maybe it'll just be Franky vs Spandam but Robin now has a motive to fight again

changsho

If Franky can break free before he got separated from Robin, then chances are she's going to fight. Problem is, the Kairouseki lock nullifies her powers completely (or she would have defended herself).

I'm sure Franky can break through via pure strength or some weird gadget implemented inside his body.

wolfwood

im still standing firm in my prediction that the fights will be as follows.

Luffy vs Luchi duh kinda obvious.

Zoro vs Jabura cause it wouldnt feel right if Zoro didnt take down the second best.

Sanji vs Blueno cause its time to finish what they started at the train.

Usopp vs Kaku the long awaited long nose and revenge for merry fight ! ^^

the rest can fight who ever they want cause i dont care about the other CP9:ers XD

Adamiser_x

Robin is free. In the last chapter Spandam told one of the pffocers to remove the seastone from her. now she can do whatever she pleases.

changsho

@Adamiser_x:

Robin is free. In the last chapter Spandam told one of the pffocers to remove the seastone from her. now she can do whatever she pleases.

That makes no sense. Nice joke, though.

Yoska

Just for killing time:
(excluding Spandam & Robin this time around)
Luffy X Lucchi *Boss
Zoro X Kumadori *Swords
Nami X Califa *Girl-on-Girl
Usopp X Kaku *Noses
Sanji X Jabura *Martial Art
Chopper X Fukurou *Weirdos
Franky X Blueno *Popeye

These will never get right anyway…

Battle Franky

@Yoska:

Zoro X Kumadori

Welcome to club crazy. :wacko:

Adamiser_x

@changsho:

That makes no sense. Nice joke, though.

EHHH!!!? I reread and what i thought said "take the seastone off her" really said "never take the seastone lock off her" So, um, yah. Scratch that.

But i thnk were all forget serval very important charcters. the drunken grandma, the kid, and her pet. Personally i believe these characters will come back and save the day. Releasing robin or something.

Anyway, the guy that tries to commit supuku constantly. Any ideas on his power? he said at one point "alas i cant die because of my mother in heavan" It also lookeed like he punched franky with his hair? (chapter 379)

Shinryuu_Ray

Franky definately has gadgets to free himself from his chains

like dude if you can store a working refrigerator in your stomach, punch the shit out of a retarded looking weasal and turn yourself into a retarded looking centaur. Then man you must have a gadget to free yourself from some chains XD

Yea once Franky frees himself he'll most likely save Robin or get Spandam first THEN save Robin. But maybe he'll be nice and save her first xD

I would hate a Zoro vs Kumadori match up….. that is just.... icky....

Buccaneer

I'm probably the only one that feels this way, but Zoro beating Jabura really would just make him look like Luffy's underling, if Luffy beats Lucci. I think he'd go well with Kumadori.

Soupster

Doesn't Kumadori use a staff, not a sword?
My picks
Luffy X Lucchi
Zoro X Jabura (having beaten up Baskerville)
Sanji X Kaku (kickers)
Nami X Kalifa
Kumadori X Chopper
Fukuorodi X Sogeking (love idea of lie fight)
Blueno = traitor to Spandam, thinks better for government
Yokozuna X Elephant
Franky X Spandam

wolfwood

@Buccaneer:

but Zoro beating Jabura really would just make him look like Luffy's underling,

well thats exactly what he is so i dont see the problem with that:laugh:

and i loved the Idea of Blueno betraying spandam but i think hes too loyal to the WG and his team mates to do that.

Buccaneer

He's at least equal with Luffy as a fighter. He usually takes the "other" guy.

And Kumadori's weapon is a bit ambiguous, sometimes it looks like a staff and sometimes a spear.

wolfwood

well thats debatabel but it doesnt really matter since Luffy still is his captain thus making Zoro his underlying.

um what you mean with the other guy ?
id say it would work out just like usualy,
he takes the second in command or second highest ranked guy someone whos really strong just not at the main villans level and that someone right now is Jabs or ( just to not piss someone ill add this) debatably Kaku.

Comander Luffy

OK,you all are wrong.Its CHOPPER AND LUCCI!Think about it.Lucci a…...cat......
And chopper a human!OK,lucci a human And chopper human.....WITH A GUN!!!

Buccaneer

But Luffy and Zoro never have the exact same type of enemy, which is why their strength in comparision to each other is debatable. Jabura knows the same martial arts as Lucci, and has a Zoan, but has a far less ranking. If Zoro struggled with him (what fun would an easy fight be here?), that'd just make him look weaker.

Kumadori and Fukurou are still somewhat mysterious, though.

wolfwood

ah i see your point but wouldnt matching him with two of the weakest guys of CP9 and have him struggle with them make him look even weaker ?

Buccaneer

Well, when it came to douriki, I think they just hit Fukurou or something. If so, then it'd be like Sanji and Zoro: without weapons, Zoro is hardly a match for Sanji.

wintergt

@Buccaneer:

But Luffy and Zoro never have the exact same type of enemy, which is why their strength in comparision to each other is debatable. Jabura knows the same martial arts as Lucci, and has a Zoan, but has a far less ranking. If Zoro struggled with him (what fun would an easy fight be here?), that'd just make him look weaker.

Oda is bound to throw in some "specialties" for each CP9 member, just to spice up the fights. So Oda could very well put something creative in the dog-zoan jyabura has that makes Zoro have to surpass himself again (like with mr.1), and which is also specific to Zoro and has nothing to do with Luffy. I don't know what that would be, but Oda is no doubt capable of that. That'd obfuscate the Zoro/Luffy difference then.

Also worth to remember is that Zoro got beaten by Eneru and Luffy took him out. I know that's because of the rubber-thing, which is kind of specific, but Oda can cook something along those lines up again.

wolfwood

ah so your thinking his weapon(staff or spear or whatever it is) will give him a an edge.

well it isnt impossibel but i doubt it.

btw just had a thought maybe kumadori and usopp clash staffs:ohmy:
i could see that happening.

changsho

@Shinryuu_Ray:

I would hate a Zoro vs Kumadori match up….. that is just.... icky....

Why, cause cool is supposed to fight cool? And cool vs dorky is unholy?

Buccaneer

Zoro did go against Hacchi. XD

@jackvance:

Oda is bound to throw in some "specialties" for each CP9 member, just to spice up the fights. So Oda could very well put something creative in the dog-zoan jyabura has that makes Zoro have to surpass himself again (like with mr.1), and which is also specific to Zoro and has nothing to do with Luffy. I don't know what that would be, but Oda is no doubt capable of that. That'd obfuscate the Zoro/Luffy difference then.

Also worth to remember is that Zoro got beaten by Eneru and Luffy took him out. I know that's because of the rubber-thing, which is kind of specific, but Oda can cook something along those lines up again.

Yeah, the specifity (is that a word?) was my point. There was never a clear cut stronger between the two, and having one fight and barely win against someone that's just a weaker version of the main enemy would show it. As shown with Mr. 1, they can take on enemies that the other can't.

I thought about it, but I can't figure out what a big dog would have close to a blade (more nails would be a bit cheap), so I dunno.

…...Though, it's not completely confirmed that he's even a dog.

wintergt

@Buccaneer:

Yeah, the specifity (is that a word?) was my point. There was never a clear cut stronger between the two, and having one fight and barely win against someone that's just a weaker version of the main enemy would show it. As shown with Mr. 1, they can take on enemies that the other can't.

What I mean is that Oda could easily focus on some weakness Zoro has that Jyabura exploits which makes this fight competitive. Zoro then has to overcome this weakness to beat him. After he has defeated his weakness - which brings him again a step closer to his goal - he can mop up Jyabura so the difference with Luffy again isn't clear, but Zoro did get an interesting fight.

changsho

Kumadori's, Fukurou's and Jyabura's specialities haven't been shown yet so far. As far as we know, Kumadori may have a blade-related ability that can nullify Zoro's strength and technique. The same goes for Jyabura. Kaku, on the other hand, lost against Zoro in a blade-to-blade fight (with Zoro using only two swords.)

Paulie

Kaku was using chisels, changsho. If he has his own personal weapons back in his room, which he's now heading to….

Ranier

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changsho

@Paulie:

Kaku was using chisels, changsho. If he has his own personal weapons back in his room, which he's now heading to….

In Water 7, carpentry tools seem to be exceptionally made and are fit to be weapons.

Paulie

But they're not his personal weapons. After all, Zoro's using all super-awesome swords that he's comfortable with; Kaku was (most likely) not using his personal weapons of choice. Chisels, no matter how well made, are no match for two of Zoro's legendary named swords, and they're not Kaku's main weapons of choice to begin with.

In other words, with his choice of weapons, it can be a whole different ball game.

Robin Stjernberg

Why woÃºld he have a personal weapon in a room he haven't been in for many years, if, ever?

Buccaneer

@Paulie:

But they're not his personal weapons. After all, Zoro's using all super-awesome swords that he's comfortable with; Kaku was (most likely) not using his personal weapons of choice. Chisels, no matter how well made, are no match for two of Zoro's legendary named swords, and they're not Kaku's main weapons of choice to begin with.

In other words, with his choice of weapons, it can be a whole different ball game.

That'd be a little weak. What kind of swordsman would lose a battle and chalk it up to his swords? Especially in a world where the weak swords could cut steel anyway?

And why wouldn't he be allowed to use swords in Water 7 if he wanted to?

Robin Stjernberg

@Buccaneer:

That'd be a little weak. What kind of swordsman would lose a battle and chalk it up to his swords? Especially in a world where the weak swords could cut steel anyway?

And why wouldn't he be allowed to use swords in Water 7 if he wanted to?

Exactly, Mihawk won against Zoro easily only with a little little knife.

ooshi78

bleuno vs luffy…

b: there's some meat behind this door!
l: really!?!?!
door: bam...

bleuno vs zoro...

b: mihawk is behind this door!
z: really!?!?
door: bam...

bleuno vs nami...

b: there's gold behind this door!
n: really!!?!
door: bam...

bleuno vs sanji...

b: there's some cute girls behind this door!
s: really!!??!
door: bam...

bleuno vs chopper...

b: there's some hurt people behind this door!
really!?!!?!
door: bam...

bleuno vs sogeking...

b: the island of sniping is behind this door!
s: that's a lie... the island of sniping is in my heart!

therefore it's gonna be bleuno vs sogeking. anybody disagree?

ooshi78

Ivotas

Lol, thatÂ´s funny. Though he would just have to tell that Elbaf is behind the door and he would have taken care of even the last one. :laugh:

*Vivi*

The thing is… Blueno would be just amazing if he could know all of their weakpoints =P
But that was just hilarious

Iceberg

blueno vs. robin

B: the True History is behind this door
R: OMG !! LET ME…..
....BLAM !

changsho

ooshi and Iceberg: XD Blueno rox!

Seaweed

ROFL. Those need to be made into comics. Badly. * files that into ever growing Things-to-Do list *

CosmicDebris

LOL. XD All that struggle with Robin all this time, they could have captured her so much more easily if they had thought of that.

Shinryuu_Ray

LMAO!!

Blueno is now uber awesome xD!!!

I don't think Kumadori would face Zoro anyways. Zoro's popularity would catch Jyabura's attention more. Though I would prefer a Zoro vs Kaku a Jyabura vs Zoro could be good too. Cuz Kaku and Jyabura aren't too different strength wise so they're both candidates for a vs Zoro math

from what I've seen of Jyabura it seems more in his character to prove he's better then his rivals (Kaku/Lucci) so if Lucci reserved a fight with Luffy that leaves 60 mil Zoro left and Jyabura would jump at the chance to beat the man Lucci and Kaku didn't beat. But Zoro vs Kumadori is a no no xD

Buccaneer

Why would that be a no-no? He faced Hacchi at Arlong Park.

Paulie

@Buccaneer:

That'd be a little weak. What kind of swordsman would lose a battle and chalk it up to his swords? Especially in a world where the weak swords could cut steel anyway?

And why wouldn't he be allowed to use swords in Water 7 if he wanted to?

His chisels got cut. They're CHISELS. That's all it's about; he didn't lose a fight due to his chisels, they just got cut. Sheesh.

EDIT: He used chisels because it fit his disguise, no more no less.

changsho

Some of the shipwrights used swords, too. Lulu's a good example. Swords don't really stand out, especially after Iceburg's attempted assassination.