Chapter 591: "You Sure That's Alright?" Discussion

Gia Sado

LOL…..we all know what Hancock has to do to "Ensure Marriage"

mickgreen58

I don't think someone can explain exactly what he meant, after all Oda hasn't explained what "D" means yet… But he is just foreshadowing that Rayleigh's actions are somehow gonna bring more conflicts and trouble to the world.

@Deicide:

About "D", I think it's a hint towards some folklore, like the Davy Jones thing, but that will also be important towards the end of the story. Either that, or Law knows more than it seems.

Thanks, I didn't know if I was the only one confused by that statement or not.

Sounds like this comment is going to be similar to Marco's comments about Teach's body, meaning it is something that the readers will have to probably wait quite a while to understand the full meaning.

From a marine's point of view, I have to wonder just how dangerous they would view a meeting between Raleigh and Luffy?

Also, the belief that the Straw Hats would be crushed immediately upon entering the New World because they are not strong enough just really doesn't make since. They have taken down some very powerful pirates and they have some very powerful allies.

I think people made the same claim about the Straw Hats when they entered the Grand Line.

I still want to know what exactly is going on with Bart Kuma? Why is he not with the Revolutionaries and why did he allow his mind to be erased?

RPG KING

hancock finally gets to see her man and constantly walk by him like he in front of her. lol. Shakky is some old lady dude.who knew that she thought of stuff ahead in such detail. and ray knowing elder nyon proves that all old people know each other.

h3h3h3

@Badass:

So…is Usopp gonna stay fat?

You should send that question to Odo.

No Maam

Let him feel her up of course .

Granted he's a bonehead but if she places his hands on them melons of hers , I'm sure he'll catch on :D

Deicide

@Halfmetal-lich:

I'm just sure it's not Chopper finding out that Ace is dead. The chapter ended in the way that it's going to tell the audience something we don't know.

Well, since Chopper knew Ace was dead and Luffy was in bad shape before he read the news, we can be sure what he read is new information. His reaction indicates that Luffy is in direct danger.

Badass SnoCone

@h3h3h3:

You should send that question to Odo.

Do it for me.

mickgreen58

Why would Boa Hancock receive a new bounty?

I believe she is still on good terms with the Marines.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the 5 Elder Stars are on to her true loyalties.

I wouldn't be surprised if Doflamingo is sent to take her out at some point.

Halfmetal-lich

@Deicide:

Well, since Chopper knew Ace was dead and Luffy was in bad shape before he read the news, we can be sure what he read is new information. His reaction indicates that Luffy is in direct danger.

Reckon Aizen will appear out of know where. "This was all part of my plan."

Seriously though…if it is direct danger, I wonder what it will be. I know you said Buster Call, though I don't think they would say that in the paper, they'd try to do it all under the rug.

45Dunc

"Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely…"

mystery nefarious characters have bits of his vivre card and are keeping tabs on him/ wouldn't like to see him making unusual moves?

or just doesn't want to be interrupted by Strawhats?

loledinmypants

@45°Dunc:

"Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely…"

mystery nefarious characters have bits of his vivre card and are keeping tabs on him/ wouldn't like to see him making unusual moves?

or just doesn't want to be interrupted by Strawhats?

Probably just doesn't want to drag them (SHs) into the dangerous Calm Belt to the man-hating island of AL

Deicide

@Halfmetal-lich:

Reckon Aizen will appear out of know where. "This was all part of my plan."

Seriously though…if it is direct danger, I wonder what it will be. I know you said Buster Call, though I don't think they would say that in the paper, they'd try to do it all under the rug.

Chopper saying "They should have all the details of the war sorted by now" when getting the newspaper almost convinces me that an attack on AL is coming. Blaming Hancock for things like Impel Down (only the Level 6 escapees were covered, after all; the others appeared right in front of the transmission to Sabaody) could actually save face for the government.

If it's talking about Hancock being a traitor, her connection to Luffy would be made obvious in the news. "EXTRA: Shichibukai Boa Hancock behind the massive Impel Down breakout! Marines plan huge retaliation against her and the kuja island, where the infamous pirate Monkey D. Luffy may be hiding".

I know my theory is not perfect, but it's the best I got right now that links all the current threads.

@loledinmypants:

Probably just doesn't want to drag them (SHs) into the dangerous Calm Belt to the man-hating island of AL

It's just a bad translation. THe biblicard points to Rayleigh, not to the bigger piece of paper. Leaving it with Shakky only ensures that Shakky (and any SH who lost his biblicard and reaches Sabaody) can track Rayleigh.

mickgreen58

@Deicide:

Well, since Chopper knew Ace was dead and Luffy was in bad shape before he read the news, we can be sure what he read is new information. His reaction indicates that Luffy is in direct danger.

Agreed.

What I want to know is how much information was in the newspaper. Did it just say Ace was dead or did it go into detail about all the events of Marineford?

Also, those newspapers are probably going to provide the Marine's point of view and so some thing may be left out.

It would be interesting if Chopper didn't read about a new bounty but maybe the World Government has decided to dedicate an extremely strong Marine(s) or bounty hunter to the task of capturing Luffy.

But as you stated, there is no question this was a "cliffhanger" and it will be something we don't know about.

Heck, we may find out through some of the other Straw Hats. I could see Nami or someone reading the newspaper and revealing what it is that troubled Chopper.

Chopperrules

This chapter made me really happy. Finally we're starting to see the true aftermath here, and the rest of the crew.

I like the theories I'm seeing about Amazon Lilly here. I honestly didn't know what to think, but that makes sense to me. After all, she did confront the marines and someone was bound to notice.

Phant0mL0rd

I don't see the point of meeting up on AL since the Straw Hats still have to go back for Sunny, right?

Halfmetal-lich

@Deicide:

Chopper saying "They should have all the details of the war sorted by now" when getting the newspaper almost convinces me that an attack on AL is coming. Blaming Hancock for things like Impel Down (only the Level 6 escapees were covered, after all; the others appeared right in front of the transmission to Sabaody) could actually save face for the government.

If it's talking about Hancock being a traitor, her connection to Luffy would be made obvious in the news. "EXTRA: Shichibukai Boa Hancock behind the massive Impel Down breakout! Marines plan huge retaliation against her and the kuja island, where the infamous pirate Monkey D. Luffy may be hiding".

I know my theory is not perfect, but it's the best I got right now that links all the current threads.

That be strange right after Rayleigh said there is no chance they'd find them, but again…he might not know. It's a good theory, but would contradict what happened in this chapter. But hey..we've been given plot twist after plot twist. Who expected Ace was Roger's son, who expected Law to show up? Who expected Rayleigh to come to AL?

That Oda's a crafty fellow.

Croy

@45°Dunc:

"Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely…"

mystery nefarious characters have bits of his vivre card and are keeping tabs on him/ wouldn't like to see him making unusual moves?

or just doesn't want to be interrupted by Strawhats?

Either the former or he doesn't want to throw the strawhats journey off by having them find a moving target. I doubt it has anything to do with 'interruptions'.

Also on another note; I mentioned it in the spoiler thread but we now know that Hancocks story will now go beyond her island unless something new happens (like another helpful person shows up). Rayleighs boat is sunk and now Law has left, that means the only reliable way to get off the island is to use the Kuja ship. So either someone comes to help, a marine ship shows up to take on Amazon Lily and by consequence the group takes it over, or the Kuja Pirates are going to be transporter of Luffy, Rayleigh and Jinbei off the island and probably to Saboady.

I'm 'expecting' the marines to come to Amazon Lily myself, and not because of Luffy, but because they seem to be on a witchhunt for 'useless' Shichibukai now. Them finding Luffy will just be a coincidence. In other words I am in agreement with some of the others that say "The marines can't possibily be coming here for Luffy, its very safe" to be just another foreshadowing that something bad is coming. Having said that though… I seriously doubt that has ANYTHING to do with what Chopper saw >.> It could be something new that Marines have declared on Luffy, or its a bounty upgrade. It probably won't have anything to do with Hancock, the shichibukai, or anything else that Chopper wouldn't know 'something' about like some have said in this thread.

Maki707

I have to say Usopp's adventure really turned out to be a lot more dangerous and interesting than i had first thought it would be. This really has the potential to have an exciting and tense conclusion escaping from the island. I thought it would be simple goofy comedy and not much else, but now i'm really looking forward to seeing how this one pans out.
Chopper's was the opposite where i thought his adventure was going to be really interesting and confrontational but for me it turned out dissapointing. Even if we get extended info on how he negoiated with the birds it's gonna be dull.

@45°Dunc:

"Otherwise I wouldn't be able to move freely…"

mystery nefarious characters have bits of his vivre card and are keeping tabs on him/ wouldn't like to see him making unusual moves?

or just doesn't want to be interrupted by Strawhats?

Maybe it's so the main plot does'nt track him down and he can continue to waste our time with some kind of 'haki' training arc nonsense.

mickgreen58

@Deicide:

It's just a bad translation. THe biblicard points to Rayleigh, not to the bigger piece of paper. Leaving it with Shakky only ensures that Shakky (and any SH who lost his biblicard and reaches Sabaody) can track Rayleigh.

I never thought about this.

Doesn't this mean that the Straw Hats are going to regroup on AL?

This would make sense because Rayleigh has already stated that if they regrouped on SA, it would just be a repeat of what happened last time.

Now I am starting to wonder if Luffy is going to defeat a powerful person on SA when he goes to his ship.

RPG KING

the marines ain't ready for another war. they got alot of other stuff to worry about.

Demon Rin

So… The Island Usopp is on really WAS a giant plant that eats everything... and Chopper really DOES leave the island on the back of a bird...

The exact same things that were shown in the Anime Episode that everyone was saying was non-canon filler... hmmmmm...

brennen.exe

@Zik:

No way managastream's translators just leave that out. Besides it's more like they would've been crushed right there and then not a few days in the NW lol.

Mangastream has done it more than once, as was mentioned in the spoiler thread itself. I agree this was more than likely not a Mangastream issue, especially since they had that particular spoiler themselves if I am not mistaken, but we won't know for certain without a raw to check.

@Deicide:

I'm just asking this because Ohana's spoiler was a little confusing for me.

There were fake Ohana posts mixed within the real spoilers, so that might be what happened. I didn't follow the release of the spoilers this week, so I can't say which portions were confirmed fake and which not, but more than likely the portion you are thinking of was a fake mixed in with legit. Although, like I said above, it wouldn't be the first time Mangastream overlooked important information.

@Deicide:

It's just a bad translation. THe biblicard points to Rayleigh, not to the bigger piece of paper. Leaving it with Shakky only ensures that Shakky (and any SH who lost his biblicard and reaches Sabaody) can track Rayleigh.

@Aohige_AP:

No, I think you guys misunderstood how Vivre cards work. I just looked at chapter 489, and Lola explains the pieces of cards draw to each other. Most likely the smaller pieces draw towards a larger portion of the card.

"離れたカード同士は世界中のどこにいても引き合うから…."

^^ Also this.

@Demon:

The exact same things that were shown in the Anime Episode that everyone was saying was non-canon filler… hmmmmm...

I never watched it, but from what I understand neither were the "exact same", as you put it. The deviation, even if barely, is the whole reason anime discussion doesn't belong. Robin's story, for example, deviates quite a bit. Nobody was denying the possibility of those scenarios, just reiterating that it isn't "canon" and doesn't have any bearing on manga-related discussion.

Demon Rin

@mickgreen58:

I never thought about this.

Doesn't this mean that the Straw Hats are going to regroup on AL?

This would make sense because Rayleigh has already stated that if they regrouped on SA, it would just be a repeat of what happened last time.

Now I am starting to wonder if Luffy is going to defeat a powerful person on SA when he goes to his ship.

No, that's wrong.

The Vivrecard points to itself. They'll be lead back to Shakky at Sabaody.

SuperJew

@Deicide:

Chopper saying "They should have all the details of the war sorted by now" when getting the newspaper almost convinces me that an attack on AL is coming. Blaming Hancock for things like Impel Down (only the Level 6 escapees were covered, after all; the others appeared right in front of the transmission to Sabaody) could actually save face for the government.

If it's talking about Hancock being a traitor, her connection to Luffy would be made obvious in the news. "EXTRA: Shichibukai Boa Hancock behind the massive Impel Down breakout! Marines plan huge retaliation against her and the kuja island, where the infamous pirate Monkey D. Luffy may be hiding".

I know my theory is not perfect, but it's the best I got right now that links all the current threads.

Or at the very least, Smoker and Sentoumaru were snitchin' about the Pacifistas she wrecked during the war.

If this is the case, then I bet the Marines are sending a Buster Call. That would certainly evoke that type of response from Chopper.

WiggyDee

Waitaminute how does Chopper even hold the newspaper with hooves…

Deicide

@Halfmetal-lich:

That be strange right after Rayleigh said there is no chance they'd find them, but again…he might not know.

Rayleigh doesn't know that Smoker and Sentoumaru witnessed Hancock helping Luffy. Or that she announced to be hunting Luffy, only to disappear with an entire marine battleship and crew and never reporting back.

Once the government gets the idea that Hancock is in cahoots with Luffy, they can pretty much come to the conclusion that Hancock's may be harboring Luffy.

mickgreen58

@Demon:

No, that's wrong.

The Vivrecard points to itself. They'll be lead back to Shakky at Sabaody.

Interesting.

So Chopper is on his way back to SA, a place Rayleigh just told Luffy is still too dangerous to go back too?

Plot Hole j/k.

You have to wonder why Rayliegh just didn't keep the Vivrecard and have everyone regroup on AL?

Gizmo

@Decide You have an interesting theory but why would the Marines announce an attack in the newspaper before it occurs?

Josl

@mickgreen58:

You have to wonder why Rayliegh just didn't keep the Vivrecard and have everyone regroup on AL?

Because crossing the Calm Belt is very dangerous?

Deicide

@Demon:

No, that's wrong.

The Vivrecard points to itself. They'll be lead back to Shakky at Sabaody.

I was going to point out the contrary, but I've just read Stephen's translation and it seems you're right. I thought the vivrecard pointed to the person, not to the other pieces.

@ultimateclima:

@Decide You have an interesting theory but why would the Marines announce an attack in the newspaper before it occurs?

I dunno. Like I said, it's not a perfect theory.

But one could think of reasons, like using "Hancock as traitor" to save face for the failures of the government. Plus, it's not like the kujas have access to the papers anyway.

mickgreen58

@Deicide:

Rayleigh doesn't know that Smoker and Sentoumaru witnessed Hancock helping Luffy. Or that she announced to be hunting Luffy, only to disappear with an entire marine battleship and crew and never reporting back.

Once the government gets the idea that Hancock is in cahoots with Luffy, they can pretty much come to the conclusion that Hancock's may be harboring Luffy.

True but Garp just told Dadan that the Marines had no idea where Luffy is at the moment.

I have to believe Rayleigh when he says AL is fairly safe right now.

I think the marine hammer drops on AL at some point in the future, I don't think it will happen now.

Besides, plot-wise, there is no need for the Marines to ferret out Luffy because he is going to go back to SA to retrieve his ship and he will more then likely be spotted there.

brennen.exe

@mickgreen58:

You have to wonder why Rayliegh just didn't keep the Vivrecard and have everyone regroup on AL?

No, you don't, because Rayleigh said exactly why in the chapter.

SuperJew

@ultimateclima:

@Decide You have an interesting theory but why would the Marines announce an attack in the newspaper before it occurs?

How would the Kuja know about said attack if they can't get the newscoo to deliver the newspaper?

(Under normal circumstances you are absolutely right. However, we are dealing with the Marines here and they are prone to doing really, massively stupid things.)

EDIT: Oooh, I forgot about that mickgreen. Good catch, but what if they were to move against Hancock like they did for Moria?

JERK DISEASE

@ultimateclima:

@Decide You have an interesting theory but why would the Marines announce an attack in the newspaper before it occurs?

Because HANCOCK VAGINA.

loledinmypants

@Deicide:

Plus, it's not like the kujas have access to the papers anyway.

Elder Nyon would like a word with you…

Bobjr

@loledinmypants:

Elder Nyon would like a word with you…

Didn't she not get it until Hancock brought it back after looting the Marine ship?

Deicide

@loledinmypants:

Elder Nyon would like a word with you…

Re-read those chapters. That paper was given to the kuja by Momonga. Later, the paper was passed to Nyon. Nyon herself said that the news coos don't deliver in the Calm Belt.

JERK DISEASE

AL is not getting attacked, it's just been established as Luffy's training hideaway.

Aioria

Great chapter:
I think what Chopper read in the newspaper is something so outrageous that will lead him and the others right to where Luffy is. Probably it was all Rayleigh's plan. I don't think the vivre cards are very useful if they are too far apart or don't have very good navigation skills.
A new war in AL island? I don't think so. What about the sunny? I think a certain octupus might be able to take it to a new location, that way they don't have to meet at Sabaody.
Was the D mentioned by Law "the will of D" or dragon. I think for him to know about the will of D is a little strange. It's something so far only characters of certain age and reputation knew about. He might be somehow related to the revolutionary army…

mickgreen58

@brennen.exe:

No, you don't, because Rayleigh said exactly why in the chapter.

Right, but if the Vivrecard is points to Shakky in SA, it kind of hurts Rayleigh's argument that SA is too dangerous at Luffy's current level.

Chopper is literally on his way back to SA.

Maybe Rayleigh is saying SA is too dangerous for Luffy only but surely the Marines and Bounty Hunter are aware of most of the Straw Hats at this point.

cheaptrick

@mgear:

-So Haki training seems quite likely now especially since Luffy cannot move for two weeks.

The Crew can all come to Amazon Lily now since Rayleigh left his vivre card with Shaky. They can go to her, get Sunny, and all go to Amazon Lily.

they'll only get to SA if they follow the vivre card, but that aside, there's no way the sunny can cross the calm belt (and the same should apply for law 's submarine although it somehow gained the "repel seakings" ability in these last 10 chapters…)

loledinmypants

@Deicide:

Re-read those chapters. That paper was given to the kuja by Momonga. Later, the paper was passed to Nyon. Nyon herself said that the news coos don't deliver in the Calm Belt.

Sorry for not delving into every aspect of why Hancock will join. I just remembered Nyon with the newspaper, not something as minute as her getting it from Momonga.
Nonetheless, as Jerk Disease says, AL won't be attacked, and I doubt Hancock, Perona, or Jimbei joining the crew will happen…

Gizmo

@SuperJew:

How would the Kuja know about said attack if they can't get the newscoo to deliver the newspaper?

(Under normal circumstances you are absolutely right. However, we are dealing with the Marines here and they are prone to doing really, massively stupid things.

The Marines are also known to not let out any news unless it makes them look good. Why would they announce that one of the Warlords betrayed them/harboring Luffy and state an attack that doesn't have a 100% guarantee of success.
Luffy has survived the Buster Call before and announcing the attack just gives the opportunity for allies to try to help him. And by allies I mean there's nobody specific in mind but this should be a possibility to consider.

And Jerk Disease has a point about the whole Amazon Lily is training island for now.

Deicide

@loledinmypants:

and I doubt Hancock, Perona, or Jimbei joining the crew will happen…

Point the place in this thread where I even hinted at someone joining the crew, please? This is not being discussed here.

And what could have shocked Chopper so much? It's obviously related to Luffy. And it's not a bounty. A bounty is no reason for Chopper to react that way.

Technique

Hopefully this training is good.

brennen.exe

@mickgreen58:

Right, but if the Vivrecard is points to Shakky in SA, it kind of hurts Rayleigh's argument that SA is too dangerous at Luffy's current level.

Rayleigh's was talking much larger scale than simply SA. There's no contradiction or 'hurt argument' in him sending the members of the crew back to a relatively safe rendezvous point (Shakky) rather than having them chase him around the world and then force them to cross the Calm Belt, a near impossible feat for them.

Gizmo

@Deicide:

But one could think of reasons, like using "Hancock as traitor" to save face for the failures of the government. Plus, it's not like the kujas have access to the papers anyway.

They're hard to get in the Calm Belt but not impossible. That's how Luffy found out about his brother after all.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/522/05/

I'm still think it's a rise in Luffy's bounty along with the story on how he got the bounty raise. Chopper said in the chapter that the details of the war weren't sorted out yet.

Mrs.RoronoaZoro

I'm gonna say that Usopp's gonna lvl up from managing to escape from that island/plant.

SuperJew

Let me play devil's advocate for a second:
Luffy's going to need some cannon fodder to prove his newfound strength in roughly two weeks time (by Law's standards, it might be sooner than that). What better way to determine that than via Marine scrubs who plan to attack Kuja Island?

(I'm leaning towards increase in bounty, but not completely ready to discount attack on AL, if only because that would lend itself to some badass scenes.)

loledinmypants

@Deicide:

And what could have shocked Chopper so much? It's obviously related to Luffy. And it's not a bounty. A bounty is no reason for Chopper to react that way.

Well it doesn't relate to your AL being attacked and Hancock getting recruited in the aftermath theory you were trying to shoehorn into this thread. Read what Jerk Disease said: AL was just stated to be a safe haven where Rayleigh can help Luffy improve himself. Shit ain't gonna go to chaos. There'll be maybe a chapter's worthn (possibly more since mixing in the other events will hold back people from screaming "training sux") of haki training or whatever Rayleigh has in mind amidst other events such as the SHs regrouping (this kind of thing can span a few chapters)