Is this Naruto's VIIIth life, is this just fantasy?

Darkstorm

Grandia had a great ghost ship.

Gekko135

here's the ff12 environment flowchart:

sewer > desert > sewer > mine > desert > canyon > mine > desert > ancient temple > corridors of a ship > cave > desert > desert > forest > mine > canyon > old temple > canyon > forest > beach > plains > plains > cave > plains > plains > old temple > corridors of a ship.

BatDan

Want to know what else had a Ghost Ship?

Kitsune Inferno

@Darkstorm:

Grandia had a great ghost ship.

I just started it. I haven't gone through it yet, but there are countless RPGs where I never advance past the Ghost Ship. -_-

S7evin

@StrawHatRican:

lights up a cigar

If you need a guide and translator (Spanish IS my native tongue), we COULD visit Puerto Rico too :P

Just sayin'

drinks some tea

I actually have a …. contact in Puerto Rico :ninja:

and I speak Spanish.

lights up own cigar
pours scotch

Airflow

@Gekko135:

here's the ff12 environment flowchart:

sewer > desert > sewer > mine > desert > canyon > mine > desert > ancient temple > corridors of a ship > cave > desert > desert > forest > mine > canyon > old temple > canyon > forest > beach > plains > plains > cave > plains > plains > old temple > corridors of a ship.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_q9CD5NQBzfg/Sx-Uip3yycI/AAAAAAAAASI/c8EixJATwY0/s400/yay.jpg

They were all five hours apart as well.

Gekko135

i know… and after 5 hours of running and fighting, you'd be rewarded with some bullshit cutscene that lasted about 30 seconds (at the most). Where you'd be treated to vapid characters talking about.... THE NEXT BORING PLACE YOU'LL BE GOING TO (with a hard to pronounce name! WHEEEEEEEEE!!)

repeat

Gorgeous Nao

Balthier and Fran were possibly the only good things about FF12. Just sayin'.

Cyan D. Funk

The Bleach spoiler has me wondering…

Is Kisame compensating for something?

Kitsune Inferno

Your new mission is to visit the "Ancient Stilshrine of Giru'Raitharosiamchenheimudisminasace"

Gorgeous Nao

@Kitsune:

Your new mission is to visit the "Ancient Stilshrine of Giru'Raitharosiamchenheimudisminasace"

Ooh, I remember that one! I liked the brown brick motif going on. Kinda wanna add it to my Templeshrine of Thibbldurhurnaster, but I can't find a contracter who'll give me an actual estimate on it.

Wagomu

@BatDan:

Did somebody say facemelting?

yZOnt2uhevE

This song is not just going to blow your mind… it's going to blow your soul.

I love Brütal Legend, too… Check out

, another project be the same vocalist.

Gekko135

@Gorgeous:

Balthier and Fran were possibly the only good things about FF12. Just sayin'.

Balthier got screwed. He belongs in a different game.

I seriously don't know how his character was able to muster the mental strength to spend that much time with those morons. Oh wait.. he was too busy running and fighting to care…

Fran was his accessory

Airflow

as much as I'm beginning to dislike 13…at least the characters are characters. In 12 they were walking plot devices.

Gorgeous Nao

@Gekko135:

Balthier got screwed. He belongs in a different game

Fran was his accessory

And he's voiced by Hiroaki Hirata/Sanji! 8D (But oooooh is his English voice just ORGASMIC.)

Maybe they'll make a sequel or a spinoff game… The Adventures of Bunny and Clyde; Search for the Mist-Crist. I'd buy it.

Gekko135

@Airflow:

as much as I'm beginning to dislike 13…at least the characters are characters. In 12 they were walking plot devices.

that's the thing. 13 has imperfect characters who could annoy the shit out of me at times… but they ARE CHARACTERS!! who grow and develop over the game.

Vaan: I wanna be a skypirate. So i'll like go cause i'm bored and stuff
Penelo: I'll tag along for no reason
Ashe: [garbage]
Baash: I lost most of my character after I shaved
Balthier: I have the best lines in the WHOLE GAME and best back story. Too bad the game itself doesn't care
Fran: I'm a bunny person… my character development will come from the fanfictions.

Kitsune Inferno

Balthier should be in the next Dissidia. They have a habit of making characters more awesome than before (Exdeath and Jecht), imagine what will happen to a pre-established badass!

BatDan

@Wagomu:

I love Brütal Legend, too… Check out
, another project be the same vocalist.

Nice, I'll tell my friend about them.

This thread is now about good Final Fantasy games.

ENOUGH EXPOSITORY BANTER! It has time we fight like men, and ladies, and ladies that dress like men!

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Kitsune Inferno

Yay! Gilgermesh!

Good FF games, you say?

Darkstorm

4-6-9 are the best.
3-5-7-8 are good.
10-12 are bad
2-X2 are terrible

Been too long since I played the first one to judge. Thirteen I won't buy until it's dirt cheap.

Robby

@Darkstorm:

4-6-9 are the best.
3-5-7-8 are good.
10-12 are bad
2-X2 are terrible

Been too long since I played the first one to judge. Thirteen I won't buy until it's dirt cheap.

First was… FIRST, and one of the first rpgs, so it gets leniency, its not fair to compare it to anything that came after and built upon it. And I totally agree with your list, except for X-2.

X-2 has uber fantastic gameplay, the best active time job class engine the franchise ever achieved. And was a whole mess of minigames and character interactions! …to make up for the lack of story. If you turn off the magical girl animation transformation sequences and roll with the flow that your fighting Team Rocket, its a pretty good game.

It doesn't help that the worst five minutes in the game are the FIRST five. With a FAKE Yuna filling out the opening cinema. That was done entirely for the sake of putting into the trailers.

But X-2 is great. Its fluff, but its great fluff.

Otherwise, agree.

Beyond that, we've talked this up in other Final Fantasy threads too many times for me to muster up the energy.

Kitsune Inferno

For me (out of what I've played):

Top Tier: IX - VI - V - XIII
High Tier: Tactics - VIII - IV - Dissidia
Middle Tief: III - CC:FF7 - TA2 - XII
Low Tier: FFX-2 - FFVII - TA - I
Bottom Tier: II - X

Airflow

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The definitive start.

@Darkstorm:

4-6-9 are the best.
3-5-7-8 are good.
10-12 are bad
2-X2 are terrible

Been too long since I played the first one to judge. Thirteen I won't buy until it's dirt cheap.

Swap 8 with 10 and here's mine.

I'll never be able to stomach 8.

Kitsune Inferno

VIII was my first FF, so I'm particularly biased towards it.

Darkstorm

@robbybedfart:

Beyond that, we've talked this up in other Final Fantasy threads too many times for me to muster up the energy.

This is true.

Some more general rpg recommendations since we're on that topic at the moment:

Panzer Dragoon Saga(saturn)
Shining Force 3(saturn)
Dragon Quest V(Snes/ds)
Zelda 3(snes)
Zelda Links Awakening(GB/GBC)
Breath of Fire 3(psx)
Chrono Trigger(snes/ds)
Super Mario RPG(snes)
Lufia : The Legend Returns (GBC)
Vandal Hearts(psx)
Grandia(psx)
Wild Arms(psx)
Mysteria(saturn)
Shadowrun(snes/mega drive - different for each platform, but both good.)
Suikoden (psx)
Suikoden II (psx)

Kitsune Inferno

RPGs I've thoroughly enjoyed:

Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Suikoden
Valkyrie Profile
Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria
Grandia
Wild Arms
Wild Arms 2
Star Ocean
Star Ocean 2
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3

One RPG series I can NOT stomach: Dragon Quest. >_>

Darkstorm

@Kitsune:

One RPG series I can NOT stomach: Dragon Quest. >_>

Have you played 5 & 8.

Robby

I'm playing Shadow Hearts 3 right now. Games that take place in the real world, are incredibly serious and atmospheric in parts… and yet also have the most fucking bizarre all over the place wackiest possible crew of playable characters.

French ninja, boxing butler, transforming indian girl, hero kid, drunk-fu cat mob boss, gun-fu indian, and a mariachi with a gun guitar.

Darkstorm

The Shadow Hearts games were awesome. Only finished replaying the first a few months ago.

Let's power up….IN A CEMETERY.

Aslan

I fuckin' love Final Fantasy.

Uber tier: VI
Awesome tier: V, X, XIII,
Good tier: VII, IX, X-2
Meh tier: I, III, IV,
bad tier: II, VIII
Never played: XI

Kitsune Inferno

I can't find a copy of SH3, but SH2 is by far the best PS2 RPG out there.

Anyways, I played DQVIII, hated it, traded it in for Shadow the Hedgehog (LOL)

Best thing about Shadow Hearts? The TORTURE scenes. Oh, and that Man Festival in the second one.

Airflow

@Kitsune:

VIII was my first FF, so I'm particularly biased towards it.

lol, this is me and X

@Darkstorm:

This is true.

Some more general rpg recommendations since we're on that topic at the moment:

Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force 3
Dragon Quest V
Zelda 3
Zelda Links Awakening
Breath of Fire 3
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario RPG
Lufia : The Legend Returns (GBC)
Vandal Hearts
Grandia
Wild Arms
Mysteria
Shadowrun
Suikoden
Suikoden II

You forget

Skies of Arcadia
Persona 3 and 4
Secret of Mana
Chrono Cross (it's not bad just not as good as Trigger)
Shenmue
Most of the Tales series
Kingdom Hearts I (not so much II)
Earthbound
Arc the Lad

Darkstorm

@Kitsune:

I can't find a copy of SH3, but SH2 is by far the best PS2 RPG out there.

One of the best things is that you actually have some input into the battle system, which is always a good thing.

@Kitsune:

Anyways, I played DQVIII, hated it, traded it in for Shadow the Hedgehog (LOL)

I have no words.

@Airflow:

You forget

Skies of Arcadia
Persona 3 and 4
Secret of Mana
Chrono Cross (it's not bad just not as good as Trigger)
Shenmue
Most of the Tales series
Kingdom Hearts I (not so much II)
Earthbound
Arc the Lad

Not so much forget as "didn't want to list a hundred games".

I don't know about "Most of the tales series" though, Tales of Phantasia was amazing, but they've never exceeded it since. Arc the Lad is good but not amazing. The rest I agree with.

Darkstorm

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Cyan D. Funk

Fire Emblem is awesome.

@Airflow:

Kingdom Hearts I (not so much II)

365/2 Days works.

Kitsune Inferno

@Darkstorm:

I have no words.

Probably the dumbest move I ever made, but I actually got more enjoyment out of Shadow. And Shadow was probably one of the worst games I ever played.

Bobjr

Auron and Balthier saved X and XII for me, otherwise they would be bad.

Kingdom Hearts was good at first, but 2 was so hiddenly bad.

Robby

Some good lists there. I have a huge affinity for Grandia 2, Suikoden 3 and 5, as well. (Suikoden 4 sucked. I really want to get part 2, it's apparently great, but… expensive. Grandia 3... had great battling. But far less story than 1 or 2.)

Airflow, if you pick up the Shadow Hearts series... start with the first one. Unlike most rpgs the story flows from one game to the next. Part 2 actually has a lot of the plot elements and characters from part 1. (Which screwed me, because I started with part 2 after finding it cheap.) I've only just begun part 3, and it seems far less connected, but still connected.

Darkstorm

@Kitsune:

Probably the dumbest move I ever made, but I actually got more enjoyment out of Shadow. And Shadow was probably one of the worst games I ever played.

You see, the thing about dragon quest games….the story is great(7 was too flabby though). The dialogue is great. The atmosphere is great. You find yourself wanting to move the game along to find out what happens next. For me the most important thing in an RPG.

Shame about the antiquated battle system. Put the story of a latter day DQ game together with the battle system of, say, Chrono Trigger…but as it is many people don't give it a chance.

IceBorg

For a RPG, i really liked Digimon World 3 (2003 here in Europe) it was hard as fuck and it had tons of backtracking, but it was fun.

Badass SnoCone

I've never played any of the FF games, but this kid in my school always tells me how good 13 is. "IT's 3 discs!!!", he always tells me.
Is it really that good?

Oh, also:

[hide] Part 2 of the Naruto Thread Chronicles is up a day early
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1554806#post1554806
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Darkstorm

From what I've heard, 25 hours of terrible followed by 20 hours of good. Which is why I'm waiting till it's cheap.

IceBorg

@Badass:

I've never played any of the FF games, but this kid in my school always tells me how good 13 is. "IT's 3 discs!!!", he always tells me.
Is it really that good?

Oh, also:

[hide] Part 2 of the Naruto Thread Chronicles is up a day early
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1554806#post1554806
[/hide]

Heh i don't think its that good, the characters are awesome in my oppinion, but the rest is pretty mediocre.

Airflow

@Darkstorm:

Not so much forget as "didn't want to list a hundred games".

I don't know about "Most of the tales series" though, Tales of Phantasia was amazing, but they've never exceeded it since. Arc the Lad is good but not amazing. The rest I agree with.

I probably shouldn't have said most of the Tales series as I've only played 3 of them. Phantasia was great, Eternia was great, Symphonia was pretty good.

and meh, I liked Arc the Lad, thought it had a fun little system with tons of content packed in.
@IceBorg:

For a RPG, i really liked Digimon World 3 (2003 here in Europe) it was hard as fuck and it had tons of backtracking, but it was fun.

I actually played this, it was alright but the henious amounts of grinding killed it.

Aslan

Sahz is without a doubt one of the greatest FF character ever.
Just saying.

Darkstorm

@Airflow:

and meh, I liked Arc the Lad, thought it had a fun little system with tons of content packed in.

It was a decent SRPG, but compared to Vandal Hearts or Shining Force 3 comes up a bit short.

Shining Force 3 Scenario 1 - 3 is pretty much the greatest example of the genre, and they're now 12 years old.

Robby

One of my favorite moments in DQ8. Since you can actually EXPLORE, its possible to finish quests before you're told them. And at one point, Red gives you a fetch quest. And if you've already done it, the crew walks outside and King Frode asks Yangus
"But Yangus. Don't we already HAVE the Dragon's Tear?"
"Well yeah gov, but we have to make it look like we worked for it. Can't make it too easy can we?"

KingofSarus

Heh, I watched my friend beat Final Fantasy XIII.

The story was interesting to me, but the gameplay looked boring.

Bobjr

I think 13 would be so much better in the beginning if Hope stopped whining all the time.

Megadoomer

6 is my favourite - despite the "rebellion fighting to stop an evil empire" story that was already used in (at least) Final Fantasy 2 (haven't played 3 or 4), the characters were surprisingly deep and well-developed for a 16-bit game (with the exception of Mog, Umaro, and Gogo, everyone got backstory (either stated or, in the case of Strago and Relm, implied), and all of the characters had wildly diverse personalities. Also, Kefka is the greatest RPG villain EVER. I've only played 1, 2, and 6 in-depth, with bits and pieces of 5, 7, 8, 10, but none of those seem to be as good as 6 was.

Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG are the only RPGs that came close in terms of that level of enjoyment. I've played Mother 3 and I like it so far, but I hate how you go so long with only one party member at a time (since I have no idea how gaining additional hits works, the enemies are much more difficult, so I'm constantly retreating to find a healing spring, only to repeat the same process over and over again).