The crew is missing a total nutjob, it needs a crazy person, not people who are reserved with a one dimensional personality
Brook isn't crazy enough? or are you talking serial killer crazy?
The crew is missing a total nutjob, it needs a crazy person, not people who are reserved with a one dimensional personality
Brook isn't crazy enough? or are you talking serial killer crazy?
Next chapters will be essential to determine if Hancock may join.
This thought just came to me: with Luffy out and no Strawhats around, it's the chance for would-be-crewmembers to take the protagonist role and drive the plot. Hancock seems to take the role in the last chapter, but we will need to see the next chapters in order to determine if that trend will continue.
I expect to see the other Strawhats soon, however. I really think the Hancock-taking-care-of-Luffy segments will share time with us seeing the crew reuniting in Sabaody and heading to Amazon Lily.
Eh… I think next chapter is gonna be an entire chapter about the World Government myself.
yea jimbei is boring as heck. where is his charm, he has none. he is just a zoro without all the qualities we find amusing for zoro. Sure we haven't met jimbei on more practical terms yet, so who knows. but right now i just don't want him on the ship.
Heck a good judge of who would make good member is every week check out spoilers and see how excited people are or anxious to see what who and who is doing. No one is ever caring what jimbei is doing or saying. he is always just doing same ol' I'm going to die in this war, save so and so speech.
But constantly we have people super excited to see a small panel of hancock, super anxious to hear what she said and always speculating on what she is going to do next or what she is doing if she didn't show up. She is just more interesting than jimbei by a mile, and it seems most people love her little luffy fascination qwuerk.
@Thousand:
Eh… I think next chapter is gonna be an entire chapter about the World Government myself.
I said next chapters. I don't think things will be made clear in a single step.
yea jimbei is boring as heck. where is his charm, he has none. he is just a zoro without all the qualities we find amusing for zoro. Sure we haven't met jimbei on more practical terms yet, so who knows. but right now i just don't want him on the ship.
Heck a good judge of who would make good member is every week check out spoilers and see how excited people are or anxious to see what who and who is doing. No one is ever caring what jimbei is doing or saying. he is always just doing same ol' I'm going to die in this war, save so and so speech.
But constantly we have people super excited to see a small panel of hancock, super anxious to hear what she said and always speculating on what she is going to do next or what she is doing if she didn't show up. She is just more interesting than jimbei by a mile, and it seems most people love her little luffy fascination qwuerk.
Hancock seems to be a very popular character right now, but she's also a base breaker. In other words, there are a lot of people who love her, and many who really hate her. IMO, most of those who hate her are either shippers for other characters, people who didn't like her heel face turn and can only accept her villainous personality or those who just don't like her love antics at all. Despite this, she's liked by a lot of people.
Popularity, thought, is not a measure for someone to join. If we were going by popularity, Kaku or Law should have joined at some point.
Heck a good judge of who would make good member is every week check out spoilers and see how excited people are or anxious to see what who and who is doing. No one is ever caring what jimbei is doing or saying. he is always just doing same ol' I'm going to die in this war, save so and so speech.
But constantly we have people super excited to see a small panel of hancock, super anxious to hear what she said and always speculating on what she is going to do next or what she is doing if she didn't show up. She is just more interesting than jimbei by a mile, and it seems most people love her little luffy fascination qwuerk.
All this proves is who the fans like more which, in the case of who Oda has in mind for the next crew member, is irrelevant. But TBH, I don't like either.
I'm talking about his past as Shichibukai, slave and captain of the fishman pirates
I don't know if it's ever been said that Jinbei himself was a slave. Only that he was a member of the fishman/ sun pirates.
@Doggggggiestyle:
I'm talking about his past as Shichibukai, slave and captain of the fishman pirates
We don't know if he was a slave. Actually, all we know is that he was captain of the fishman pirates and later shichibukai. I find it hard to say his past is better than Hancock's when we know her past, but nothing of Jinbei's.
I promised to shut up about the person that shall not be mentioned since she isn't even on the poll topic…
That was the original "promise" was it not?
Do not discuss that one character, but you may be free to do anything that isn't "annoying" like discussing the flow of the topic as long as that character doesn't exist...
I can and am free to discuss any other character minus her, am I not?
However, if you so dearly wish for me to NOT bother with all the other characters, period. I can.
Lastly, it isn't fanfiction; it's called "interpretation" of the quote and by god it is the most proper one you ought to get from it, without making that so called "fanfiction" of something...
AGOG I want you to come to the General Discussion area and post with the people who shower and come into my thread there.
I want you to put your absurd powers into an in depth analysis of contrasts between relative prosperity of the states of the former Yugoslavia.
I want Kosovo considered a separate entity as well.
I think it's pretty safe to say that he was a slave, ofc it isn't 100% certain.
and I think his past was better than Hancock's simply because Jinbei is an awesome fish ogre while Hancock is boring and generic bitch. Also annoying with his crush to Luffy.
and while she still has her own crew and island left, Jinbei has pretty much nothing.
@Doggggggiestyle:
I think it's pretty safe to say that he was a slave, ofc it isn't 100% certain.
and I think his past was better than Hancock's simply because Jinbei is an awesome fish ogre while Hancock is boring and generic bitch. Also annoying with his crush to Luffy.
and while she still has her own crew and island left, Jinbei has pretty much nothing.
those are all completely baseless points. it is not safe to say at all that he was a former slave. me personally i believe 0% chance he was a slave.
Hancock/Jimbei or whoever else you want to bring up's personality is all opinion. Some find one boring, some find the other.
Bolded: Where did you get this information?
no shit Sherlock.
you really think I'm here to debate completely seriously? Just stating my opinions.
@Doggggggiestyle:
I think it's pretty safe to say that he was a slave, ofc it isn't 100% certain.
and I think his past was better than Hancock's simply because Jinbei is an awesome fish ogre while Hancock is boring and generic bitch. Also annoying with his crush to Luffy.
and while she still has her own crew and island left, Jinbei has pretty much nothing.
As sammsy said this is all your opinion and holds no water in this discussion. But yes, I too hate hancocks bitchy attitude.
those are all completely baseless points. it is not safe to say at all that he was a former slave. me personally i believe 0% chance he was a slave.
Well to be fair that is also pretty baseless, but atleast you admit it is only your opinion.
Well to be fair that is also pretty baseless, but atleast you admit it is only your opinion.
thats the point i was trying to prove. I believe there is 0% chance of Jimbei having been a slave, while he believes 100% chance he was a slave. Thus his its safe to assume comment is just rediculous.
Meanwhile we both can 100% agree that Hancock does indeed have a sad past, and was a slave.
We have no idea what Jimbei's past is like. That's why its annoying when people come in and claim he has a more sad past than Hancock. I just don't see where your getting your information
while he believes 100% change he was a slave. Thus his its safe to assume comment is just rediculous.
no I don't, idiot.
oh sorry misread, but still same argument. there is no SAFE to say about someones past not told.
And I hate arguing about crewmates past's for joining. Have all members had sad pasts? yes, well sorta, not really luffy. But based on this, yes Hancock is really only canidate right now.
Of course you can argue ANYONE can be given a sad past by Oda later. I have seen arguments saying Margurette has some sad past that Oda hasn't show us yet. I mean wtf, what makes you even have a thought of this being true at all. Of course Oda can throw in a sad past to anyone, but that is no way of arguing. I bring up the famous quote on these forums "in one piece so anything can happen" when they are being shot down for their rediculous theory.
You can't argue that someone COULD be given a sad past so they can join. We ALL damn well know that. But the fact is, that Hancok is already a given and we know 100000% that she does have a sad past. Thus in arguing HER PAST can be used as an arguing point. Nobody else's can.
I concur that Jimbei does have a decent chance, but it could be nothing more than any other fishman/mermaids past such as Camie. A typical discriminated against group of people. More of a cultural thing, and not personal. So a sad cultural past, that is a guarantee. Him having a sad personal past is an unknown, and should not be argued with logic of "Oda can give him a sad past"
I really can't see how anyone would think that Jinbei wasn't a slave.
first, he has the mark.
second, he is a fishman.
Not great points, I admit.
third, and this is kinda important, he was a crew member of sunny pirates. You know, the crew Fisher Tiger composed from slaves.
plus it just fits. But like I said, not 100% certain, just pretty darn close
@Doggggggiestyle:
I really can't see how anyone would think that Jinbei wasn't a slave.
first, he has the mark.
second, he is a fishman.
Not great points, I admit.
third, and this is kinda important, he was a crew member of sunny pirates. You know, the crew Fisher Tiger composed from slaves.plus it just fits. But like I said, not 100% certain, just pretty darn close
first, because Hacchi wasn't a slave and still a Sunny pirates
second, the mark is to mix non-slave and slave together
third, so was hacchi and Nyon said once that just because they have the sun mark does not mean they're slave, it just mean they're part of the Sunny Pirates
nothing you say fit anything because you're just over-assuming everything
Not all of fisher tigers crew were slaves. All of his crew however did get the mark put on them. Not all fishmen were slaves (but I'm pretty sure you know that). As of right now I'm on the fence as to whether or not I believe he is a slave and the reasons you posted are why I believe he could have been a slave.
Jinbei became a captain when Fisher kicked the bucket, indicating that he was the first mate.
Usually first mates were crew members right from the start, you know, when Fisher decided to form a crew from slaves.
first, because Hacchi wasn't a slave and still a Sunny pirates
second, the mark is to mix non-slave and slave together
third, so was hacchi and Nyon said once that just because they have the sun mark does not mean they're slave, it just mean they're part of the Sunny Piratesnothing you say fit anything because you're just over-assuming everything
was it ever confirmed hachi was not a s;ave or is it just a widespread assumption. I still agree with what you are saying, I'm just interested.
@Doggggggiestyle:
Jinbei became a captain when Fisher kicked the bucket, indicating that he was the first mate.
Usually first mates were crew members right from the start, you know, when Fisher decided to form a crew from slaves.
He could have recruited Jinbei before he did it.
that's just as much speculation as my stuff.
difference is that my stuff makes more sense
edit: but I'm ready to leave this to that. debates are boring, no one ever wins (except Zephos now and then) and you can't convince me wrong + vice versa.
Heh, I have a personal theory that Jinbei was in fact a slave. It's just a theory, but it's based on Hancock and Jinbei meeting in level 6 of Impel Down. Hannyabal says clearly that Hancock and Jinbei never met, and Jinbei seems to not know her indeed. She however, has an odd pattern in her speech when she says "…so you are Jinbei...".
I may have read too much into that, but I felt she reckognized him, while he didn't reckognize her.
Of course, it's not based on facts, just a gut feeling from me.
was it ever confirmed hachi was not a s;ave or is it just a widespread assumption. I still agree with what you are saying, I'm just interested.
hm yea forgot about that, he was never confirmed to be a slave or not a slave
Heh, I have a personal theory that Jinbei was in fact a slave. It's just a theory, but it's based on Hancock and Jinbei meeting in level 6 of Impel Down. Hannyabal says clearly that Hancock and Jinbei never met, and Jinbei seems to not know her indeed. She however, has an odd pattern in her speech when she says "…so you are Jinbei...".
I may have read too much into that, but I felt she reckognized him, while he didn't reckognize her.
Of course, it's not based on facts, just a gut feeling from me.
well i don't doubt that Jimbei is a slave just due to fact that we have a slave trade background plot but the way Doggggggiestyle say it make it sound like he's Oda saying "Jimbei is a slave, so shut up"
@Doggggggiestyle:
I really can't see how anyone would think that Jinbei wasn't a slave.
first, he has the mark.
second, he is a fishman.
Not great points, I admit.
third, and this is kinda important, he was a crew member of sunny pirates. You know, the crew Fisher Tiger composed from slaves.plus it just fits. But like I said, not 100% certain, just pretty darn close
Did you not get the significance of the sunny pirates mark?
They all recieved it so that you couldn't tell between a former slave and someone who never was a slave. We have seen a bunch of sunny pirate tatoo's on fishman. We have no idea if any of them were ever slaves. And that is the whole point of the mark, so that nobody can tell who was a slave or not.
The third has no basis either. Yes lots of former slaves on that crew, but again the mark is so that they can't tell who was a slave. If they are all slaves, then that wouldn't work. There has to be many non slaves as well with the mark or else all the mark would have done woudl just change the mark. And we could still just peg all sunny tattoo as former slaves. If you recal Arlong and all his men were sunny pirates. We have no idea if any of them were slaves. Just cause someone was a sunny pirate doesn' tmean they were a slave. Tha is the whole point of that tattoo again. To make it so we can't distinguish between the two.
Hmm thinking of this, makes me think that we might not get a sad past shown for jimbei for that sole reason. If we do, then WE can distinguish and tell many slaves. And that just ruins the whole thing Oda did of making it unidentifiable between slave and not slave. (yes we are the reader, but I still kind of like the aspect that we have to look at all fishman the same and can't think of one as a former slave and another as free)
I mean right now you are doign the very thing that fisher tiger and Oda didn't want us to do. Were judging fishamn. Sure we aren't doing it in the way people in one piece world are in a feeling of superiority/supremecy, of being better than a filthy former slave or whatever. But we are doing it in symphothy, which isn't any better. We are looking at all fishman with the tattoo and not thinking "a nice powerful free independant fishman who is just living life how he wants", we are thinking "I'm sure he has some sad past as being a slave and i feel sorry for him" We are being no better than the people at the auction house when they saw hatchi.
I may have read too much into that, but I felt she reckognized him, while he didn't reckognize her.
Of course, it's not based on facts, just a gut feeling from me.
I think thats just her saying, "so youre jinbei - you are a warlord just like me"
That makes the most sense to me but you could be right. But I dont think so :P
well I'm sorry sword emperor for not being polite enough for your taste lol
but I think most here got it when I said "ofc it isn't 100% certain". Sounds a lot different than "Jimbei is a slave, so shut up", no?
I mean right now you are doign the very thing that fisher tiger and Oda didn't want us to do. Were judging fishamn. Sure we aren't doing it in the way people in one piece world are in a feeling of superiority/supremecy, of being better than a filthy former slave or whatever. But we are doing it in symphothy, which isn't any better. We are looking at all fishman with the tattoo and not thinking "a nice powerful free independant fishman who is just living life how he wants", we are thinking "I'm sure he has some sad past as being a slave and i feel sorry for him" We are being no better than the people at the auction house when they saw hatchi.
yeah, sorry again for apparently judging bunch of fictional water niggers.
Regarding Hachi being/not being a slave. I, personally, don't think he's a slave. Judging by how he acts around Rayleigh, and what has been said between the two (and Shakky, more or less), I'm of firm belief that he wasn't a slave and just lived an ordinary life hanging around SA with Rayleigh and Shakky all those years.
It is my personal opinion that maybe Hachi decided to join the Sunny pirates upon learning that Fisher Tiger freed slaves, maybe because he knew how Fishmen were persecuted and treated (on SA especially), and probably felt some sort of calling to help his fellow race. Of course, this led to a falling out between him and Rayleigh (and Shakky?) for some time during his tenure as a Sunny Pirate….
...just saying. That's my take on the matter. But, then again maybe he somehow became a slave during his adolescent years and was saved as well. I wouldn't shoot this down, but something like this hasn't been mentioned at all in the story...
oh my god people, I'm not saying those are absolute evidence that Jinbei was a slave, just some indications why HE COULD HAVE BEEN ONE jesus fucking christ.
i'm not AGOG guys
this became kinda pointless when Muda decided to edit his post lol
I may be right, I may not. It doesn't really matter, because the story will tell us sooner or later.
@Doggggggiestyle:
oh my god people, I'm not saying those are absolute evidence that Jinbei was a slave, just some indications why HE COULD HAVE BEEN ONE jesus fucking christ.
i'm not AGOG guys
Yeah, Dogguy even stated he's not 100% sure in his original post, so we should chill out.
About Jinbei's past… I have a feeling (just a feeling) that we will see a Fisher Tiger and Sunny Pirates story flashback in fishman island, not exactly the same as a Jinbei flashback, thought both stories will sure overlap.
@Muda:
Regarding Hachi being/not being a slave. I, personally, don't think he's a slave. Judging by how he acts around Rayleigh, and what has been said between the two (and Shakky, more or less), I'm of firm belief that he wasn't a slave and just lived an ordinary life hanging around SA with Rayleigh and Shakky all those years.
That's my interpretation as well.
It would be interesting, however, if Arlong has been a slave…
Jimbei was most likely a slave.
@Doggggggiestyle:
oh my god people, I'm not saying those are absolute evidence that Jinbei was a slave, just some indications why HE COULD HAVE BEEN ONE jesus fucking christ.
i'm not AGOG guys
if you're talking about indication, ill use your word "no shit Sherlock"
most of us know about these stuff, and i was merely trashing your argument because you were so sure that he's a slave and it sounded like you take some of those evidence a bit too significances
I may be right, I may not. It doesn't really matter, because the story will tell us sooner or later.
this is the attitude everyone should have.
Jimbei was most likely a slave.
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About Jinbei's past… I have a feeling (just a feeling) that we will see a Fisher Tiger and Sunny Pirates story flashback in fishman island, not exactly the same as a Jinbei flashback, thought both stories will sure overlap.
I'm now completely in the opposite on this. I feel that showing a flashback about that incident and showing who was freed would be bad on the story and woudl go against what Oda did with the Sunny Pirates.
He turned a slave symbol into a symbol that we can not distinguish between a former slave from anyone else. Yet what does a flashback do? It takes that and destroys it. We now would know who was a former slave and who was not. We no longer look at all fishman equally. We sympothize with one group (former slaves)
Sure its different from what people in One Piece are doing, when they are looking down on them as lesser beings and what not as being former slaves. But isn't it in the end the same thing? We are both discriminating them. We are not thinking htem as all equal. One were "sad" former slaves, while others just normal fishman.
I personally hope that Oda does not ruin what he did in keeping it a mystery and all fishman equal by not showing a past in who was slave or not.
I mean hell look at how much we are discussing who was a slave, who was not and so on just now. Were no better than the people at the auction. We are judging them. If you had a group of friends say 5 and 1 of them was a former slave, do you think he woudl want you to know that? No, people don't like to be pitied.
I don't see any harm showing who was a slave and who wasn't.
Jinbei being ex-slave and still kicking ass would be just cool
@Doggggggiestyle:
yeah, sorry again for apparently judging bunch of fictional water niggers.
:getlost:
@Doggggggiestyle:
I don't see any harm showing who was a slave and who wasn't.
I agree with this, it's not like it has some kind of huge effect on the story. Plus it makes speculating about the series difficult when Oda never reveals who's a slave and who's not.
I agree with this, it's not like it has some kind of huge effect on the story. Plus it makes speculating about the series difficult when Oda never reveals who's a slave and who's not.
Tell me what was the point of the sunny pirates tattoo?
And it's already been said but I think it's more likely that Jinbei was a slave than not.
@Doggggggiestyle:
yeah, sorry again for apparently judging bunch of fictional water niggers.
Sig worthy lawls
@Sammsy:
Tell me what was the point of the sunny pirates tattoo?
You don't know this? It was a slave mark which they altered to give it positive reinforcement and a bunch of other hopeful we will overcome stuff.
Sorta like the word nigga 50 years ago and what some ppl make an excuse for using the word nigga today.
@Doggggggiestyle:
I don't see any harm showing who was a slave and who wasn't.
Agreed.
Tell me what was the point of the sunny pirates tattoo?
It has an in-story function, but really I don't see the need to have a metacontextual function.
Besides, it's not like the masses of FIshmen slaves will have those many faces we will reckognize. Maybe we will see Jinbei, Arlong or future character among them, but pretty much any other slave shown will be a generic random fishman. It's not like discovering Jinbei was a slave will make readers hate him. If anything, it will gather him sympathy.
Tell me what was the point of the sunny pirates tattoo?
To keep the former slaves safe in the One Piece world as well as keep us from knowing if somebody is a slave until Oda decides to reveal it to us to add extra suspense. 3 years after we've gone through fishman island, TBH, I don't want to still be in the dark about Jimbei or other important fishmen's pasts.
i'm not saying we can't judge a bunch of fictional people. and please guys i don't care if you black, quit using the n-word.
but Oda brought in an element that sole purpose in the one piece world is so that fishman are not judged for being a slave or not. This holds much more impact if it is also not revealed to us.
i see as a reveal being hypocritical on Oda's part. He brings in a story element centering on keeping the identity of fishman slave ambiguous, only to later do the complete opposite and show us who was a slave. Seems like bad story telling to me.
but Oda brought in an element that sole purpose in the one piece world is so that fishman are not judged for being a slave or not. This holds much more impact if it is also not revealed to us.
No he didn't. Oda's point in the fishmen being slaves is that they shouldn't be judged for being fishmen(you know since they can't help change who they are). It's why they were made slaves.
It has nothing to do with being judged for being a slave. That has more to do with Hancock than fishmen.
no, it is meant to be suspenseful. I think you are reading to much into the mark on them. And as deicide said, it's not like Oda's going to point them all out to us, they're just going to be random background characters.
hasn't Oda said that his stories usually don't have any SUPER DEEP meanings and stuff?
or then again, maybe that symbol is Oda's way to cope with his dark memories as being a sex slave to fat japanese men.
how does it make is suspenseful? What is the point of revealing personally who was a slave or not? In the Civil War do we sympothize with individual black people who got it extra rough? Does Jimbei need a brutal personal past in order to want revenge or safety/freedom for his people?
No he doesn't. Their entire Race is descriminated against and are treated as lesser beings. They are always looked down upon, regardless of if they were a slave or not. The mark was not to hide from only outsiders who was a slave or not. It was also the fishman's way of showing that they don't care that they were a slave. We will all get marked as well so that no one, not even US can distinguish between who was a slave or not.
And now you guys think that they would ever betray that even to their own mother. No way would a fishman betray anyone, even themselves by telling anyone they were a former slave or not. So isn't Oda telling us in flashback through a charcters mind, even if not telling anyone in the one piece world doing the very thing they woudl never do. Betraying all their comrades and all of the fishman people.
@Doggggggiestyle:
hasn't Oda said that his stories usually don't have any SUPER DEEP meanings and stuff?
how is this super deep meaning? A mark is made to make it so we can't tell who is a slave or not. So we never have a flashback showing us who is a slave or not. Nothing super deep about that. And it dont' matter if we only see ONE person as a slave and rest nobodies in background. Betraying one is the same as all.
Its not deep at all, all he has to do is not show us any fishman as a slave.
@Doggggggiestyle:
hasn't Oda said that his stories usually don't have any SUPER DEEP meanings and stuff?
Yep. That's why I don't expect him to really care about revealing that some characters were slaves or not. In a deeper work, I could see the analogy of hiding the past from the readers as well, but not in One Piece. Finding out that Arlong was a slave would enhance the story, not diminish it.
Sammsy, I think this discussion is going nowhere. We should just agree to disagree and go on with other subjects.
@Doggggggiestyle:
hasn't Oda said that his stories usually don't have any SUPER DEEP meanings and stuff?
It's clear as day what he's imitating with the fishmen's role in the story. Even if he's completely ignorant of history it'd be hard for him to deny that the fishmen are being discriminated against because of their race and that he's trying to show that that's wrong.
Isn't that deep.
But keeping that in mind with what you mentioned, that's a reason why I don't think anyone would join the crew with a dream of ending slavery or discrimination. It's pretty ludicrous for One Piece standards.
It's clear as day what he's imitating with the fishmen's role in the story. Even if he's completely ignorant of history it'd be hard for him to deny that the fishmen are being discriminated against because of their race and that he's trying to show that that's wrong.
Isn't that deep.
yeah, I know. I was just answering to Sammsy's hilarious rant about symbols and why Oda shouldn't let us know who was a slave.
Deicide sums it up pretty nicely