@Hamburger:
So, today a fourth Straw Hat has unlocked their Haki. Think we'll see any others do so too?
Isn't Usopp fifth? Robin should have haki as well.
General 'Haki' Discussion
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Isn't Usopp fifth? Robin should have haki as well.
I don't believe it's been confirmed so far.
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luffy, zoro, sanji, ussop
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I think they are referring to Robin noticing things before they actually happen.
I only remember the SAD room explosion right now.
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@Hamburger:
I don't believe it's been confirmed so far.
It's been hinted at her possessing Observation haki, but I prefer If she manages to awake Armament Haki instead
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Then when Luffy bazookas Trebol down to where Robin & co. are, she can fight him, while Cavendish and Barto deal with Gladius!! :ninja:
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@Hamburger:
So, today a fourth Straw Hat has unlocked their Haki. Think we'll see any others do so too?
If you're asking whether I think more SHs will unlock Haki, then yes. Robin and Chopper for instance, I see the most likely.
Not saying the rest can't get it but Franky has his vehicles and weapons (creations; in my opinion he would benefit the most out of kairouseki) and Nami is the "mage" of the party (though her "magic" is actually derived from weather/science; would be perfect if she had a barrier ability :ninja:) but I have been wondering for awhile if Oda will develop her ability to sense weather be 'Haki'.
Now about Usopp, we saw in this chapter he unlocked Haki (can't wait for the foreshadowed Haoshoku Haki :ninja:).
However like I mentioned 2 pages back in this thread, I would classify what he showed this chapter to be the passive type (but I could be wrong).I'll remake the list a bit to make it easier to understand and classify then repost it.
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For instance if I was to explain the Haki in One Piece (without mastery).
Haoshoku Haki [The user's spirit manifested - not much other information available (may take other forms)]
Passive: In Luffy's case, his spirit that reassures his friends, attracts people to him and turns enemies to his allies despite that he doesn't want to 'conquer' anyone/anything.
[Un-controlled] Active: In Luffy's case, Motobaro, in the Arena of Amazon Lily, wolves in Impel Down and Ace's execution in Marineford.
[Controlled] Active: In Luffy's case, knocking out 50,000 Fishmen. In Shanks case, it seems much more.Kenbunshoku Haki [Raise spatial awareness - see/read/feel/sense intentions, aura and presence]
Passive: Luffy seeing/sensing Mihawk's intention, Luffy sensing the real Mr. 3's presence/intention back in Little Garden. Usopp seeing the auras of Luffy, Law and Sugar through great distance (and wall).
(Un-controlled) Active: Coby and Aisa when they first unlocked it.
(Controlled) Active: Luffy reading/feeling Hody's intentions (water bullets), Luffy sensing the presence of a wild beast (Caribou) after asking where Shirahoshi was.Busoshoku Haki [Aura of power - level depending on mastery and the amount of force/power by the user]
Passive: This is the most passive thing regarding Haki.. it's the aura of the person. So yeah this is probably what Blackbeard see regarding about Luffy "lying" about his 30 million bounty (that background really emphasize their aura), which we later find out he thought of him to have a much higher bounty, but that's my take on it anyways. Then there's this, though he could mean just literally his Haki (willpower), after Luffy surviving and being able to use Haoshoku, that is.. but that'd be a bigger reason that Blackbeard meant his passive 'aura' back in Jaya. We see this chapter (758) that you can see the Aura with Kenbunshoku Haki.
Active (examples with no specific level/mastery): Sentomaru in Sabaody, pretty much almost everyone in Marineford, Rayleigh in Rusukaina, Luffy and Vergo's Hardening, etc (again I ask, does this really need to be explained?). -
Slowly but surely this dude is turning out to be Vegadon v2
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Usopp seemed a lot more controlled than Coby did. He could actually concentrate on who he was "sensing," as opposed to Coby who "sensed" everyone around him all at once.
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SHOTO MATE! For all we know, Usopp can't sense people's feeling like Coby.
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Slowly but surely this dude is turning out to be Vegadon v2
Was that a shot at me….? You? Really? The guy that takes forever arguing something trivial? One of the people who actually prefer to let this thread keep having the same argument for 300+ pages compared to that of someone with an actual grasp of the concept end it with 16 or less?
Alright. I had a feeling but this confirmed it, like I thought you keep grudges for being corrected.
@Hamburger:
Usopp seemed a lot more controlled than Coby did. He could actually concentrate on who he was "sensing," as opposed to Coby who "sensed" everyone around him all at once.
Okay. Well first off, I never said I was absolutely correct on this though, I clearly stated I could be wrong.
Second, you don't remember Usopp being confused that he could see aura's.. not ringing any bells? It's true it is more controlled than Coby and that's precisely why it's passive - compare it to Luffy's, instead.
BUT we'll see in the next showings/chapter(s), so I'll wait.
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1. Was that a shot at me….? You? Really?
2. The guy that takes forever arguing something trivial?
3. One of the people who actually prefer to let this thread keep having the same argument for 300+ pages compared to that of someone with an actual grasp of the concept end it with 16 or less?4.Alright. I had a feeling but this confirmed it, like I thought you keep grudges for being corrected.
What…
1. Yes, I'm talking about you.
2. Forever discussing something trivial, can you give an example cuz I'm completely lost.
3. This one is specially funny since every guy that has been here for at least 6 month knows that this is one of the things that I hate the most, repetitive arguments, the same thing popping out every month but you didn't know that, did you?
4. I don't even know what to say to this one, but let give you a present Luffy using [Armament pre-time skip](http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/158 - Arriving in Alabasta/06.jpg)
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What…
1. Yes, I'm talking about you.
2. Forever discussing something trivial, can you give an example cuz I'm completely lost.
3. This one is specially funny since every guy that has been here for at least 6 month knows that this is one of the things that I hate the most, repetitive arguments, the same thing popping out every 1 month but you didn't know that, did you?4. I don't even know what to say to this one, but let give you a present Luffy using [Armament pre-time skip](http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/158 - Arriving in Alabasta/06.jpg)
Oh lordy lordy lord…
1. Okay. Thanks for further confirming that.
2. Anything with Vagabond87. I don't plan to humor you further than this.
3. See above ^ if you're really not gonna admit you like to argue then I don't what else to say honestly.. I don't care about seniority in this forum, what's incorrect is incorrect, misconceptions only breed more misconceptions. I may not be here that long or that active but I HAVE noticed you make a habit of putting people (and their ideas) down, whether they have any basis or not just because it doesn't make sense to YOU. Also saying that I'm like him? Seriously gonna tell me that wasn't supposed to be an insult?
4. …I don't know what you're even saying.. I know that scene well but how does that prove me wrong.. or are you adding to my post? My reply though A) Gag - Nami beating Luffy; honestly if I take this seriously further though then B) Logia mastery (pretty weird with Sabo though), but I never said it but Luffy beating Crocodile.. was it always Luffy's blood through the end? I don't know man, it could possibly be passive feats of Busoshoku but like I said with Nami, seems like gags. -
Oh lordy lordy lord…
1. Okay. Thanks for further confirming that.
2. Anything with Vagabond87. I don't plan to humor you further than this.
3. See above ^ if you're really not gonna admit you like to argue then I don't what else to say honestly.. I don't care about seniority in this forum, what's incorrect is incorrect, misconceptions only breed more misconceptions. I may not be here that long or that active but I HAVE noticed you make a habit of putting people (and their ideas) down, whether they have any basis or not just because it doesn't make sense to YOU. Also saying that I'm like him? Seriously gonna tell me that wasn't supposed to be an insult?
4. …I don't know what you're even saying.. I know that scene well but how does that prove me wrong.. or are you adding to my post? My reply though A) Gag - Nami beating Luffy; honestly if I take this seriously further though then B) Logia mastery (pretty weird with Sabo though), but I never said it but Luffy beating Crocodile.. was it always Luffy's blood through the end? I don't know man, it could possibly be passive feats of Busoshoku but like I said with Nami, seems like gags.I got lost again.
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3. ummm I never said I don't like to argue did I? I DON'T LIKE THE SAME THING POPPING OUT EVERY WEEK, MONTH OR SO and I don't think I'm the only one in AP who tries to take down absurd and ridiculous theories, am I?
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I got lost again.
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3. ummm I never said I don't like to argue did I? I DON'T LIKE THE SAME THING POPPING OUT EVERY WEEK, MONTH OR SO and I don't think I'm the only one in AP who tries to take down absurd and ridiculous theories, am I?
4. you didn't get it:wassat:3. Hmmm well I understand the feeling, that I do but if I don't say the same thing or at least add to it (especially an abstract concept/topic of 'Ki' and Haki) then people who started reading will more than likely just get confused (but I do apologize since this chapter DID give us new showings on the topic so I got excited). However adding to it makes it more concrete, feeling like puzzles that fit. Though, adding to that, do you even think everyone in the forum reads our posts now? cause I don't think so.
4. Okay now I'm curious what did you mean then? cause all I know is that you said it's Luffy using armanent pre-TS which I have heard people claim using that scene before but hey, I've also heard people claim Nami's punches are feats of armanent.–-
-EDIT-Forget the Sabo thing being weird, Logia mastery makes sense if we take into account Sabo was never caught off-guard (if he can dodge them then he's not off-guard) but Smoker was, at the time.
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@Hamburger:
So, today a fourth Straw Hat has unlocked their Haki. Think we'll see any others do so too?
I will be really suprised if all of them don't awaken their haki at some point.
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Bickerings are no fun to read.
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3. Hmmm well I understand the feeling, that I do but if I don't say the same thing or at least add to it (especially an abstract concept/topic of 'Ki' and Haki) then people who started reading will more than likely just get confused (but I do apologize since this chapter DID give us new showings on the topic so I got excited). However adding to it makes it more concrete, feeling like puzzles that fit. Though, adding to that, do you even think everyone in the forum reads our posts now? cause I don't think so.
4. Okay now I'm curious what did you mean then? cause all I know is that you said it's Luffy using armanent pre-TS which I have heard people claim using that scene before but hey, I've also heard people claim Nami's punches are feats of armanent.–-
-EDIT-Forget the Sabo thing being weird, Logia mastery makes sense if we take into account Sabo was never caught off-guard (if he can dodge them then he's not off-guard) but Smoker was, at the time.
3. I don't think that people read every single post on the forum. sometimes I tend to skip some post because they don't interest me or because the poster has been on a spread of the same topic for quite some time.
4. what I meant was that you cannot take everything as Haki or how you call it Ki since this wasn't really a thing back then and it keeps evolving.I do have a problem with how well Sabo has been using his recent powers, but I assume that it has to do with his overall knowledge about they work or whatever reason Oda has for doing this.
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3. I don't think that people read every single post on the forum. sometimes I tend to skip some post because they don't interest me or because the poster has been on a spread of the same topic for quite some time.
Fair enough.
4. what I meant was that you cannot take everything as Haki or how you call it Ki since this wasn't really a thing back then and it keeps evolving.
I do have a problem with how well Sabo has been using his recent powers, but I assume that it has to do with his overall knowledge about they work or whatever reason Oda has for doing this.
I don't actually take everything as Haki, that's precisely why I put Haki into apostrophes ('Haki') when I think it might relate more to 'Ki' (which is a funny coincidence cause of the title of the thread).
Like this for example:
Not saying the rest can't get it but Franky has his vehicles and weapons (creations; in my opinion he would benefit the most out of kairouseki) and Nami is the "mage" of the party (though her "magic" is actually derived from weather/science; would be perfect if she had a barrier ability :ninja:) but I have been wondering for awhile if Oda will develop her ability to sense weather be 'Haki'.
One of the essence the word/character 'Ki' holds is the air/atmosphere
In essence, the character ki
means:- spirit, mind, soul, heart
- intention
- bent, interest
- mood, feeling
- temper, disposition, nature
- care, attention
- air, atmosphere
- flavor
- odor
- energy, essence, air, indications
- symptoms
- taste
- touch, dash, shade, trace
- spark, flash
- suspicion
But yeah I admit I repeat my post (and C.A's quotes) here a lot but as I kept saying before, and by definition 'Ki' is integral to Haki. Not knowing 'Ki' would be more difficult to someone who's trying to understand Haki.
Also I'm pretty sure I mentioned the possibility of evolution, didn't I?So you have no actual explanation nor do you have any actual grasp or understanding of 'Ki' - to what may or may not have been made to something more.
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I'm not sure whether Franky and Brook really need Haki. Franky, as mentioned, has all his weapons and Brook's greatest asset is his speed (I'd find it totally believable if he could move faster than an Observation user could detect anyway). They tend not to fight opponents you'd need Haki for anyway.
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Ussop pushing through from gifted sniper to full CoO makes sense and I have sort of being expecting it.
I've also been expecting it from Nami because her weather-sense already verges on the supernatural.
I don't know about Chopper, but his kung-fu point and heavy point being martial based could turn towards CoA but it's not necessary.
As for Brook, I still feel that swordsmen develop a haki that shows elements of all three colors once they develop to a certain skill level but he has chosen to develop his df instead.
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One question about CoO and sensing the strength of your opponent. How accurate will it be in the future?
I just can't see DoFla using his CoO right now sensing that Luffy is stronger than him or the other way around.
Still do not understand why Oda let this be a power as well
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One question about CoO and sensing the strength of your opponent. How accurate will it be in the future?
I just can't see DoFla using his CoO right now sensing that Luffy is stronger than him or the other way around.
Still do not understand why Oda let this be a power as well
Strength of ki varies, they shouldn't be able to gauge full strength of others via CoO since full strength would only be revealed at moment when someone is attacking with his full strength. Besides power level is just one of many deciding factors in a fight. I don't think it would change much even if Doflamingo perceived full power of Luffy's haki and concluded that he's stronger.
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So some other things we learned from Rayleigh:
-Rayleigh used CoO when he kicked Kizaru
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So some other things we learned from Rayleigh:
-Rayleigh used CoO when he kicked Kizaru
-CoO helps the user perceive the speed of light since normal eyes can't follow that speed.Well besides the whole "filler" argument (which I won't bother making), I'm not saying it's impossible but I interpreted that scene as Rayleigh knowing where Kizaru (and SH's) were to rush in.
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Well besides the whole "filler" argument (which I won't bother making), I'm not saying it's impossible but I interpreted that scene as Rayleigh knowing where Kizaru (and SH's) were to rush in.
That information isn't filler.
The special itself is probably filler, but Oda did have some involvement and they couldn't have given false information regarding important topics like this. IIRC Oda was actually asked about the secret Haki training in the special and said "it's for you to find out".
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So some other things we learned from Rayleigh:
-Rayleigh used CoO when he kicked Kizaru
-CoO helps the user perceive the speed of light since normal eyes can't follow that speed.-the real speed of light would be impossible to follow, so either Kizaru is moving slower than speed of light or I'm being a retard for ever taking fiction seriously.
-even if Kizaru actually moved at speed of light he'd still take his time to decide which move to use. A skilled CoO can anticipate what move enemy is going to use before he launches it. Rayleigh didn't need to use CoO at "speed of light" unless Kizaru's decision making is at speed of light too. -
-the real speed of light would be impossible to follow, so either Kizaru is moving slower than speed of light or I'm being a retard for ever taking fiction seriously.
-even if Kizaru actually moved at speed of light he'd still take his time which move to use. A skilled CoO can anticipate what move enemy is going to use before he launches it, so there is nos uch thing as Rayleigh using CoO to actually match speed of light.-Please don't ruin the thread by starting the whole "He's not light speed" argument. He's been stated to be that fast since he's light and this is fiction. There's nothing to be argued about here.
- Kizaru never had a charge time. That's anime only nonsense used to save time. You don't use CoO at light speed. It helps you perceive the speed.
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-Please don't ruin the thread by starting the whole "He's not light speed" argument. He's been stated to be that fast since he's light and this is fiction. There's nothing to be argued about here.
- Kizaru never had a charge time. That's anime only nonsense used to save time. You don't use CoO at light speed. It helps you perceive the speed.
-I disagree. If it was actual speed of light then Kizaru would end in space before he know it. The argument that he's actually moving at speed of light is valid only if speed of light in OP is way slower than in real world. That or it's a slow kind of light.
-So you're saying that kizaru is thinking at speed of light? That all of his reflexes are speed of light? Well shit, it's game over then. -
-I disagree.
You can't disagree with facts.
Light can only move in a straight line so Kizaru knows where he's going to go before he or his attacks goes there.That or it's a slow kind of light.
False. This isn't Science class and this doesn't take place in the real world or this universe period. Don't correlate the two.
-So you're saying that kizaru is thinking at speed of light? That all of his reflexes are speed of light?
This is not what "I'm saying". Given the fact that Kizaru is well beyond superhuman it's perfectly logical that his mind can comprehend that. No one claimed that all his reflexes are light speed, but it's 100% fact that when he transforms into particles to move as light or when he attacks with light then it does move at that speed. That's irrefutable.
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You can't disagree with facts.
Light can only move in a straight line so Kizaru knows where he's going to go before he or his attacks goes there.False. This isn't Science class and this doesn't take place in the real world or this universe period. Don't correlate the two.
This is not what "I'm saying". Given the fact that Kizaru is well beyond superhuman it's perfectly logical that his mind can comprehend that. No one claimed that all his reflexes are light speed, but it's 100% fact that when he transforms into particles to move as light or when he attacks with light then it does move at that speed. That's irrefutable.
You can't ignore basic facts within the series simply because it doesn't align with your own personal opinion or the real world. You aren't the God of the verse. Oda is.Tell me where in manga it's stated that he actually moves at speed of light. Even if he's light logia it doesn't confirm that he's automatically always moving at speed of light. There is no reason for him to use his full speed if he cannot control it. He's most likely just moving at speed which is efficient for him.
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Tell me where in manga it's stated that he actually moves at speed of light
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/508/8
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/508/9Even if he's light logia it doesn't confirm that he's automatically always moving at speed of light.
No one claimed that to be case though.
there is no reason to go full speed and end up in space like a retard.
Why can't you comprehend that this is a work of fiction?
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If Kizaru could really move at speed of light no one else in the OP world have a chance agaisnt him.
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http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/508/8
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/508/9But his leg didn't transform to light. Anyway he seems to be using a throwing kick, so it had to have acceleration to it instead of just instantly swinging it at top speed. Anyway he started and stopped his momentum. If he actually managed to archieve speed of light within that small distance he swinged his leg then… No, doesn't seem to make sense to me.
@Magi:Why can't you comprehend that this is a work of fiction?
Just because it's fiction it doesn't mean that it doesn't have to make sense. It's a fictional world, but it still have it's own fictional physics in it.
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But his leg didn't transform to light. Anyway he seems to be using a throwing kick, so it had to have acceleration to it instead of just instantly swinging it at top speed. Anyway he started and stopped his momentum. If he actually managed to archieve speed of light within that small distance he swinged his leg then… No, doesn't seem to make sense to me.
Why can't you comprehend that this is a work of fiction?
Just because it's fiction it doesn't mean that it doesn't have to make sense. It's a fictional world, but it still have it's own fictional physics in it.
It does make sense in its own realm.
You're applying real life physics to a fictional universe that doesn't follow real life physics.You then discredit pure fact because you seem to think that your own personal perception can override that when it can't.
You can deny, deny, and deny all you'd like, but the series always takes precedence over what you personally think.
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That information isn't filler.
The special itself is probably filler, but Oda did have some involvement and they couldn't have given false information regarding important topics like this. IIRC Oda was actually asked about the secret Haki training in the special and said "it's for you to find out".
Forgot to reply.
Anyways, not trying to doubt you or anything but I just read pretty much all of the 3D2Y thread and I searched google about the bolded part above, all I can see is the source coming from KDramaStars - which is now notorious for making fake news and that line was apparently for Gear 4th? I always thought all Oda did was design the main villain for the special?
I see it here but the source on the bottom corresponds to the topic on the top "WHAT ONE PIECE ISN'T", and not the 3D2Y special.
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It does make sense in its own realm.
You're applying real life physics to a fictional universe that doesn't follow real life physics.You then discredit pure fact because you seem to think that your own personal perception can override that when it can't.
You can deny, deny, and deny all you'd like, but the series always takes precedence over what you personally think.
No, it does not make sense its own realm for Izaru to always move at actual speed of light. It's not specified in manga how light in OP is different from light in real world. Anyway my argument is not that he isn't moving at speed of light because he can't, but because there is no reason for him to move at full speed. It makes sense to me and it doesn't contradict with anything stated in manga. What contradicts is if he actually moves at speed of light while completely disregarding any human limitations and being able to control his movements at speed such as this. It would be like if some pro gamer enabled speedhack cheat in a racing game and performs race at his usual level, just 1000x faster. If someone could drive as fast then he'd still not even dare to try driving at top speed unless he's just fooling around. Too fast is too fast, there is no point to move at speed you cannot control.
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It's not specified in manga how light in OP is different from light in real world.
There's no reason for it to be any different.
Anyway my argument is not that he isn't moving at speed of light because he can't
Yes it is. This entire conversation is based on your skepticism of it.
but because there is no reason for him to move at full speed.
What you don't understand is that light can only be slowed down if it comes into contact with Matter.
Light traveling through the planet's atmosphere moves nearly as fast as light in a vacuum.any human limitations and being able to control his movements at speed such as this.
And I keep telling you that Kizaru is superhuman, therefore he isn't bound by a normal human's limitation.
Superhumans in OP have shown several times throughout the series that they can mentally and physically keep up with things that move hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound.
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What you don't understand is that light can only be slowed down if it comes into contact with Matter.
Light traveling through the planet's atmosphere moves nearly as fast as light in a vacuum.Then how is he able to stop his movements? How is he able to control his momentum? Just moving a finger would throw him in space, but he's able to move just like he have a normal body.
And I keep telling you that Kizaru is superhuman, therefore he isn't bound by a normal human's limitation.
Superhumans in OP have shown several times throughout the series that they can mentally keep up with things that move hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound.
So in other words, screw logic, Kizaru being superhuman is all we need to know.
Tell me where it's confirmed in manga that superhumans are able to mentally keep up with things moving hundreds of times faster than speed of sound. If that was case then from what theyr bodies are made of if they can move/react hundreds times faster than sound? Sorry, but this kind of argument doesn't explain me anything, but rather instead makes me even more skeptical about this discussion with you. -
Then how is he able to stop his movements? How is he able to control his momentum? Just moving a finger would throw him in space if he wasn't able to control speed of his light lol.
I've already said before that Kizaru already knows where he or his attacks will go before he does anything. Stop with the space argument. It's redundant and a waste of time.
So in other words, screw logic, Kizaru being superhuman is all we need to know.
You're applying a normal human body to a superhuman body. That's a pretty idiotic thing to do.
Tell me where it's confirmed in manga that superhumans are able to mentally keep up with things moving hundreds of times faster than speed of sound.
We're shown this literally all the time.
If that was case then from what theyr bodies are made of if they can move/react hundreds times faster than sound?
I'm done.
You're being willfully ignorant.
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I've already said before that Kizaru already knows where he or his attacks will go before he does anything. Stop with the space argument. It's redundant and a waste of time.
You're applying a normal human body to a superhuman body. That's a pretty idiotic thing to do.
We're shown this literally all the time.
I'm done.
You're being willfully ignorant.
Well ok ok, I'm willfully ignorant and you're stating facts only. Whatever, I'm not inclined to keep discussing this if you're implying that your opinions are facts.
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Then how is he able to stop his movements? How is he able to control his momentum? Just moving a finger would throw him in space, but he's able to move just like he have a normal body.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RequiredSecondaryPowers
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RequiredSecondaryPowers
That's my problem with american comics, but as for manga then many of them avoids this issue. Now that I know how ki is supposed to work even more of mangas gets rid of that flaw. Anyway I'd rather be willfully ignorant if that let's me have more enjoyment from reading manga. After all same medium can be perceived and interpreted differently.
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That's my problem with american comics, but as for manga then many of them avoids this issue. Now that I know how ki is supposed to work even more of mangas gets rid of that flaw. Anyway I'd rather be willfully ignorant if that let's me have more enjoyment from reading manga.
Really, you might as well question why no one dies when they get close to Akainu.
Or Brook's entire existence.
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Really, you might as well question why no one dies when they get close to Akainu.
Or Brook's entire existence.
Human bodies in OP are far more durable than real bodies, allowing to handle huge amounts of strength without breaking, as well as allowing to handle enormous heat.
I don't have problems with Brook's existence, because it's a DF power and it isn't overpowered or anything.
My issue with Kizaru is that if he actually is always moving at speed of light then it just doesn't make any sense. I've already stated my arguments.
edit: Ok, I will add some facts for you, since I out of couriousity decided to reread chapters where Kizaru made his appearance.http://i19.mangareader.net/one-piece/507/one-piece-64863.jpg
-he comments that he overdid his attack. If he always attacks at light speed then there would be no way for him to lower strength of his attacks to make them less devastating, hence he would have no reason to say that he overdid it. What do you think?http://i20.mangareader.net/one-piece/509/one-piece-64900.jpg
-here he uses same attack, but this time he just breaks through just several buildings. It does seems like he's controling speed of his attacks, isn't he?http://i23.mangareader.net/one-piece/510/one-piece-64910.jpg
-how is that for "light speed"? It clearly takes time for his particles to travel back to his body instead of instantly teleporting back. Otherwise there wouldn't be any visible light rays. That's what I think, is that wrong?http://i31.mangareader.net/one-piece/510/one-piece-64911.jpg
-his light ray stops right before Apoo and Apoo manages to say few lines of monologue before Kizaru teleports. Even if it's light speed he still took his time aiming and executing this technique. Not sure where I can be wrong about this conclusion.http://i7.mangareader.net/one-piece/510/one-piece-64913.jpg
http://i15.mangareader.net/one-piece/510/one-piece-64914.jpg
-He's charging his attacks and arrow of light is clearly visible in motion. At least it seems that way for me judging from how panels are drawn.I don't see where is your fact that Kizaru is moving at speed of light. To me it seems like those panels are meant to interpret that he still have perceivable motion to his attacks and that he's controlling speed of his moves. But well whatever, appearently I'm willfully ignorant. Think that way if that makes you guys happy.
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It's a waste of time arguing with Magi, don't even bother.
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Stuff.
Look, if Kizaru says "have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?", I have no reason to believe he's lying.
Because he has no reason to lie about that.
Oda is not fucking Einstein. He twists and exaggerates physics all the time.
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Look, if Kizaru says "have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?", I have no reason to believe he's lying.
Because he has no reason to lie about that.
Oda is not fucking Einstein. He twists and exaggerates physics all the time.
No reason to believe it's true either, specially coming from Kizaru.
