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General 'Haki' Discussion
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They're not two different moves. It was the same move on the same page (no first or second to be differentiated). That is, unless you're trying to say the same thing I am in a weird way.
The most likely option XD
Anyway I'm off, long week of work. I shall get back to you on what I meant but in the mean time read through what I've posted and see if you can suss what I'm getting at.
At NarutoSSSS: STFU!
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The most likely option XD
Anyway I'm off, long week of work. I shall get back to you on what I meant but in the mean time read through what I've posted and see if you can suss what I'm getting at.
At NarutoSSSS: STFU!
that's rude . can you really say stuff like this to members?
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So when Lucci hits Luffy with roukuougan and Luffy comments on the effects being abnormal and similar to an impact dial…it's prolly haki. When Garp punches Luffy, a rubberman, and it hurts to the point that people (in the story) comment on it...it's prolly haki. When Sentoumaru punches Luffy, a rubberman, and it hurts to the point that people (in the story) comment on it...it's prolly haki. When Rayleigh cuts and blocks Kizaru, a lightman, when it is obvious that it should normally not be possible...it's prolly haki. When Luffy gets hit by people using haki to the point that he gets hurt and makes a comment on it...it's prolly haki. But when Zoro cuts Mr. 1, a man made of metal, something that was obviously not normal...it's prolly just coincidence.
No i would call it a sword skill .
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As long as it's used sparingly and doesn't end up being the main technique used in battle then it should be fine. And it's interesting how Haki seems to match up with past techniques such as Rokushiki and Mantra.
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After all this i'm really starting to hate the word haki, it sounds annoying in my head. So can speed be a haki type.
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After all this i'm really starting to hate the word haki, it sounds annoying in my head.
it's okay.
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Then use Ambition or something. It's not like it can't be translated. It's just like Nakama which I personally don't like. Haki can be used in puns though .
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@Kairouseki:
Then use Ambition or something. It's not like it can't be translated. It's just like Nakama which I personally don't like. Haki can be used in puns though .
Damn I hate nakama, don't get me started with that word, damn! When I first started watched fansubs I was like, "Nakama???? what's that, why the fuck does luffy keep screaming that word, what's nakama, Your my nakama, that makes no sense???" for a few weeks.
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@Kairouseki:
It's just like Nakama which I personally don't like.
No it isn't, and don't go there.
@Kairouseki:
Haki can be used in puns though .
Yes, yes it can. squints and rubs fingers together in an evil fashion
No I would call it a sword skill.
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Damn I hate nakama, don't get me started with that word, damn! When I first started watched fansubs I was like, "Nakama???? what's that, why the fuck does luffy keep screaming that word, what's nakama, Your my nakama, that makes no sense???" for a few weeks.
Are you joking again? :ermm:
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Haki, Rokushiki. I see the connection now…
Come on it was funny. It's a parody. ki from dragon ball. I was joking. I guess you couldn't see the connection. haha.
Ok. Fine it wasn't.
When I first read that I thought MANTRA!! Like a reaction.
The fight showed similar moves like tekkai, snake dance = kami-e and reading moves= mantra. that's what a connection is, not Breathing.
Hakiiiiiiiiiii .
that's rude . can you really say stuff like this to members?
My justifications Sir (not counting the ones that have been deleted)
Plus its your own interpretation of those letters
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So what about demon haki and spirits and stuff. boob type for nami, nose type for usopp.
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Are you joking again? :ermm:
I really didn't know about nakama, I use to watch the shit 4kids dub around 2004 on toonami then started watching 3 years later. 2007/8 I believe. When I found out it was really japanese.
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I really didn't know about nakama, I use to watch the shit 4kids dub around 2004 on toonami then started watching 3 years later. 2007/8 I believe. When I found out it was really japanese.
and…who cares?:ermm:
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So what about demon haki and spirits and stuff. boob type for nami, nose type for usopp.
S- Spirit
T - Type
F - For
U - UsoppYou see, its all in your mind….
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!
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Alright, let's calm down and either a.) stay on topic and discuss this seriously, or b.) leave the thread and don't come back.
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@Kairouseki:
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!
That was fuckin' great !What was, I don't get it?:wassat:
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so about this thread
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brook: after the dead haki?
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_> I'm seriously tired of deleting and merging posts…
Do you have to?
And_ Narutossss, you obviously GOT IT but they want you to stfu.
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asura could be haki but I still think shishi sonson isn't.
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See what happens when Haki is brought up? People try to say that everything that's ever happened in the series is Haki. Do you think that Nami being able to predict weather is Haki too?
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_Do you have to?
And_ Narutossss, you obviously GOT IT but they want you to stfu.
Why do you hate me Jesus, narutossss's a good boy.
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@Kairouseki:
See what happens when Haki is brought up? People try to say that everything that's ever happened in the series is Haki. Do you think that Nami being able to predict weather is Haki too?
Shit I didn't think about that, she always looks at nothing and suddenly a tsunami is coming, it must be weather type!!!!!
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Why would you mention it in a list of Rokushiki techniques?
I mentioned it in a list of non-physical potentially-haki-related abilities. Thus, "mantra" being in the list as well…? I see where you misunderstood though, since the sentence started off with mentioning rokushiki's physical skillset.
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i'm so sorry for being noob but i don't really understand what do you mean by "free hit"?? is it mean zoro can hit him directly because he can evade or stopping zoro's attack using rankyaku simply because he use Tekkai(except jabura, others rokushiki user cannot move when using tekkai) or any other meaning??
Tekkai makes the users body as hard as steel and Lion's Song can cut steel. So if Kaku were to use it and attempt to simply defend it'd be giving him a free hit, hence the counter.
Throughout Zoro's fight with Kaku no other attack was able to break it, like when he used Dragon Twister which almost broke it(like Sanji's Concasse).
Disagreeing about WB reading moves via Haki fine. But are you also saying Haki may have had nothing to do with making physical contact with Ace?
Reading pages back, I'll guess no.
I'm saying Ambition had nothing to do with Newgate waking up. That's the stupid thing some people are throwing out.
Physical contact with Ace is obviously due to it so your guess is right.
I'm going to have to disagree, Oda is going out of his way to tie all these different things together as haki, so the use of Occam's razor is justified here since what Oda has done is to simplify it. This makes the simplest explanation the most logical.
No, it doesn't.
Stop trying to tie Ambition to every little thing.
Then why was Sandersonia able to hurt Luffy who is not a logia
Luffy didn't stop being a rubberman. Ambition simply allows contact in spite of any permanent changes done to a Power User's body.
And again, that's why Luffy was still stretching despite Ambition being used on him during the fight with Marigold and Sandersonia, and that's why Borsalino's Ama-no-Murakumo was still active even though Rayleigh was using it as well.
So brennen, I agree with you that tekkai is likely a form of haki, as is rokyougen.
The highlighted is where I disagree mainly.
Lucci's Rokuogan was compared to an Impact Dial(and by association Reject Dial) due to attacking the opponent from the inside by bypassing the outside.
Ambition doesn't do that since it doesn't bypass anything and solely attack someone's insides.
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Alright, let's calm down and either a.) stay on topic and discuss this seriously, or b.) leave the thread and don't come back.
looks like your advice has been ignored
@Narutossss:brook: after the dead haki?
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I'm saying Ambition had nothing to do with Newgate waking up. That's the stupid thing some people are throwing out.
Physical contact with Ace is obviously due to it so your guess is right.
Whitebeard's power could have something to due with him being able to hurt Ace too. He can break air so there's no reason to not think that he could break fire as well.
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I'm saying Ambition had nothing to do with Newgate waking up. That's the stupid thing some people are throwing out.
until oda tells more,both mine and your theory are possible.so avoid to call it "stupid"
@Kairouseki:
Whitebeard's power could have something to due with him being able to hurt Ace too. He can break air so there's no reason to not think that he could break fire as well.
oh no.whitebeard breaks aokiji but without consequences.ace is covered by blood
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Lucci's Rokuogan was compared to an Impact Dial (and by association Reject Dial) due to attacking the opponent from the inside by bypassing the outside. Ambition doesn't do that since it doesn't bypass anything and solely attack someone's insides.
That's true, but I wouldn't eliminate it entirely. Impact Dial working on Luffy doesn't make sense anyway, seeing as how Luffy's entire body has rubber-like properties, hence Gear 3rd and such. So I mean, how is it causing damage? Again, what you said is true, and there is nothing directly comparable (skill wise) to haki as of yet, but at least in (my) theory however haki works, so should (most of) rokushiki. I consider "haki" to simply be the name of the skillset, same as rokushiki, mantra, santouryuu, karate, etc. Whatever theory, force, principle, or method is used to acquire/perform these techniques is the common factor that I am suggesting. So it isn't that "rokuougan is haki", but that roukuougan and haki use the same…ugh...principles...
@Kairouseki:
Whitebeard's power could have something to due with him being able to hurt Ace too. He can break air so there's no reason to not think that he could break fire as well.
I dunno if I would phrase it like that myself, but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Whitey's fruit having some sort of speciality like that. Somewhat akin to Blackbeard, but lacking the gravity + seal powers combination.
until oda tells more,both mine and your theory are possible.so avoid to call it "stupid"
Oda won't be telling us more about Whitebeard waking up in the middle of the night, so you can pretty much close the book on that one and call it a moot point.
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Oda won't be telling us more about Whitebeard waking up in the middle of the night, so you can pretty much close the book on that one and call it a moot point.
yeah,i agree.of course Oda will use other ways
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The highlighted is where I disagree mainly.
Lucci's Rokuogan was compared to an Impact Dial(and by association Reject Dial) due to attacking the opponent from the inside by bypassing the outside.
Ambition doesn't do that since it doesn't bypass anything and solely attack someone's insides.
Hurray, a disagreement!
Ok, it sounds like you agree that Tekkai is based on haki so I'm going to base this argument on that. Lucci stated that a true master of all 6 forms could achieve Rokougan. If Tekkai is based on haki, and a mastery of it is necessary to pull off Rokougan, then logically Rokougan utilizes a combination of both physical techniques and some form of haki.
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@Kairouseki:
Whitebeard's power could have something to due with him being able to hurt Ace too. He can break air so there's no reason to not think that he could break fire as well.
True, I have considered that also but I don't want to bring it into a discussion just yet since Newgate's Gura Fruit was just now introduced. The main problem with that is I don't see how being a quakeman allows contact with otherwise intangible Power Users, which Ambition does.
It's good though that someone else has thought of it too.
@huron:until oda tells more,both mine and your theory are possible.so avoid to call it "stupid"
I calls em like I sees em dood.
That's true, but I wouldn't eliminate it entirely. Impact Dial working on Luffy doesn't make sense anyway, seeing as how Luffy's entire body has rubber-like properties, hence Gear 3rd and such. So I mean, how is it causing damage? Again, what you said is true, and there is nothing directly compareable (skill wise) to haki as of yet, but at least in (my) theory however haki works, so should (most of) rokushiki. I consider "haki" to simply be the name of the skillset, same as rokushiki, mantra, karate, etc. Whatever theory, force, principle, or method is used to acquire these techniques is the common factor that I am suggesting. So it isn't that "rokuougan is haki", but that roukuougan and haki use the same…ugh...principles...
The main reason I see it working on Luffy is because while anyone can train their body to withstand large degrees pain, longer stamina, physical strength, etc. there is really no way for someone to train their inner body.
So while Luffy's innards may be rubber and are able to due things a normal body can't(Gear: 2nd, Gear: 3rd) I really doubt they have anywhere near the resilience his outer body does.
EDIT:@Urouge:
Ok, it sounds like you agree that Tekkai is based on haki so I'm going to base this argument on that.
Sorry about that I should have clarified. I don't think that; sorry. I just compare Tekkai and the other Rokushiki forms to something gained by traing, like Life Feedback.
Why do you think it is based on Ambition exactly? If you don't mind explaining it to me, or did I overlook a post where you already did that?
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True, I have considered that also but I don't want to bring it into a discussion just yet since Newgate's Gura Fruit was just now introduced. The main problem with that is I don't see how being a quakeman allows contact with otherwise intangible Power Users, which Ambition does.
It's good though that someone else has thought of it too.
why aokiji was ok,then?
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why aokiji was ok,then?
Because WB didn't physically touch Aokiji, he just send a shockwave by breaking the air.
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Sorry about that I should have clarified. I don't think that; sorry. I just compare Tekkai and the other Rokushiki forms to something gained by traing, like Life Feedback.
Why do you think it is based on Ambition exactly? If you don't mind explaining it to me, or did I overlook a post where you already did that?
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…I don't see the connection. I'd compare that more to Sentomaru's Ashigara Dokkoi.
Mind elaborating because I don't get it, sorry.
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why aokiji was ok,then?
Because Oda's way of showing Kuzan's "intangibility" is by being broken apart. It happened with Luffy and Robin back in Long Ring Long Island and Newgate's attack is the same.
Iceman is just fine.
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Mind elaborating because I don't get it, sorry.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/421/13/ - Rob Lucci
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/13/ - Sentoumaru
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/08/ - MarigoldSo while Luffy's innards may be rubber and are able to due things a normal body can't(Gear: 2nd, Gear: 3rd) I really doubt they have anywhere near the resilience his outer body does.
Hmm, how silly of me, that totally makes sense. Still, I am holding to the theory that all of these "techniques" revolve around the same principles. Remember, at the time we had no "haki", so the only thing comparable was a dial. Still, your point is valid. Tekkai, Life-Return, and Mantra we still disagree on?
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My current theory about Roku Ougan is that it is an application of haki, but from what I've been reading, people don't see it as a physical technique. That's where I disagree. The way I originally interpreted Roku Ougan was that it was an application of Bruce Lee's One Inch Punch. Now that we have been introduced to haki my original idea hasn't been discarded just augmented. Rob Lucci most likely is using haki while performing the Roku ougan. Though, of course, I don't believe that any of CP9 have been informed of what they are using.
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@ brennen: Ah, I was looking through the CP9 fights to look for any connection(was on Sanji vs. Jabura:ninja:) so thanks.
Alright, I'm convinced on Tekkai. :happy:
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Tekkai, Life-Return, and Mantra we still disagree on?Mantra I was in agreement with already, but Life Feedback better be some freaky ass training thing. :ninja:
! Rokuogan I still don't see using Ambition though.
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Though, of course, I don't believe that any of CP9 have been informed of what they are using.
That's probably because, assuming they are using "haki", their techniques aren't based off of "haki". In the same way someone once invented or created the techniques that are "haki", someone somewhere else probably had the same concepts and ideas and augmented them into their own skills, which were then taught to the CP9.