Maybe because this manga is reaching for a male audience so badly it's making me cringe…
History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi
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this is an awsome fight. kenichi was protecting miu and got to close to the action. i hope another master is ther to catch him. miu is pissed
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This chapter, was borderline hentai wasn't it?
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Holy Shit i read that chapter in an internet cafe. Thank god the egyptians don't give a damn about hentai.
Is it just me or is the suspense gone because superman/ssj4goku is there to do whatever is needed to be done??
I am really enjoying this karate master showdown. Best fight since Kenichi vs Muay Thia guy in my opinion -
I'm more annoyed by Silcardo's move. Really, there's an attack that can cause amnesia? That's kinda silly and way too convenient. The chapter itself was actually quite good. Tons of suspense, great action scenes, Silcardo is a really fun villain and you could really feel Miu's anger and despair. It's just that scene that kinda grates on me.
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@Thousand:
I'm more annoyed by Silcardo's move. Really, there's an attack that can cause amnesia? That's kinda silly and way too convenient. The chapter itself was actually quite good. Tons of suspense, great action scenes, Silcardo is a really fun villain and you could really feel Miu's anger and despair. It's just that scene that kinda grates on me.
Wait, didn't Hayato use that attack on Kenichi when we learned about how he met Apachai?
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Oh…wow. Yeah he did. Well okay then, I guess it's okay since it was long foreshadowed.
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Ugh, I wanted to enjoy this arc, but I can't take anything Miu does seriously. Her expressions are awful, her eyes looked so freaking stupid in the panels up to where she was KOed. She's like a Frankenstein's monster of what's cute and sexy in manga girls, and it's just getting worse as the series goes on. On the plus side, Sakaki and Hongo were cool.
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@Thousand:
Oh…wow. Yeah he did. Well okay then, I guess it's okay since it was long foreshadowed.
Yeah, they use that amensia move in the flashbacks. But wow, Jenazad is a bastard. Doing that to our Miu-chan :( We should destroy all the apples in the world just so he can't have any.
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Ugh, I wanted to enjoy this arc, but I can't take anything Miu does seriously. Her expressions are awful, her eyes looked so freaking stupid in the panels up to where she was KOed. She's like a Frankenstein's monster of what's cute and sexy in manga girls, and it's just getting worse as the series goes on. On the plus side, Sakaki and Hongo were cool.
I thought her expressions were great. Really emphasized the pain and anguish she was feeling. The tears were a nice touch.
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I think Jenazad really bit off more than he could chew with this one. Sakaki and Hongou are very much in a condition to fight him, and the Elder is closeby. And he's kidnapping Miu after nearly getting Kenichi killed.
I admire his style, but he's screwed.
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Nah, he'll escape and brainwash Miu and we'll get Kenichi vs Dark Miu where Kenichi will finally accomplish his dream of surpassing her (or at the very least beat her just once).
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But if that were the case he would actually fight a girl. We can't have that now can we?
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He'll fight her because he loves her or some crap like that.
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When Kenichi fights girls it's not fighting it's grop… I mean trying to touch them.
No joking aside I predict that if they end up fighting it's gonna be a ju jutsu featuring arc. -
@Maes:
But if that were the case he would actually fight a girl. We can't have that now can we?
I wonder, could Kenichi's constant refusal to fight a girl, and his constant unneeded protection of Miu be leading up to some character development? Will he be forced to put aside this sexist belief in order to save Miu? Or…will Kenichi get out of it somehow like aways. I'd like the former, but he'll probably do the latter. Either he get beat up until Miu has a change of heart, a master does something, or one of Kenichi's lady friends bails him out.
I'm not looking forward to evil Miu's new outfit. It'll probably be some thin leather dominatrix thing. I'm sure it's not going to be an outfit like Radin or his master wore, those were way to concealing.
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Why is Miu's spandex becoming more and more thin? I really hate that I can clearly see where her nipples end and begin. And also I couldn't tell what was causing them to shred up like that. And yeah Kenichi constantly saying he'll protect her is pretty annoying right now.
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Why is Miu's spandex becoming more and more thin? I really hate that I can clearly see where her nipples end and begin. And also I couldn't tell what was causing them to shred up like that. And yeah Kenichi constantly saying he'll protect her is pretty annoying right now.
Its electricity. Electricity rips up spandex without electrocuting the skin. Its why i keep a taser :p
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i'm wondering if she will lose a little of her memory or a lot.suprized they team up to stop that mask guy. the fists don't get along well with each other
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Pretty good chapter, I can't see how the apple guy plans to escape with Superman close behing and he's being held up by both Hongo and Sasaki. The only option he has left is threatening to kill Miu and holding her hostage.
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I called that from a mile away. but I don't think she'll be caught and I think Kenichi will ave something to do with it.
BUT if she IS caught. we'll have a training arc, and an EPIC rescue mission.
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Why is Miu's spandex becoming more and more thin? I really hate that I can clearly see where her nipples end and begin. And also I couldn't tell what was causing them to shred up like that. And yeah Kenichi constantly saying he'll protect her is pretty annoying right now.
It's obvious that her bloodthirst turns her on.
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The scary thing is, her grandfather approves of her outfit.
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"It feels like I'm wearing NOTHING AT ALL"
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"It feels like I'm wearing NOTHING AT ALL"
lol…Yeah I'm horrified by the outfit. She's a minor too and nobody says anything about it. Yeah they make the boob jokes and nosebleed stuff but the level of the graphic images seem to have increased.
I get that spandex would be nice for moving around the way she does but in the long run it's not practical for actually acting as decent clothing. How any sets of that stuff does she have? I bet that's why they are constantly in debt. She rarely makes it out of any fight without it being ripped somewhere. It's not something you can mend without it being obvious you stitched it back up.
I really enjoy this manga but I have a hard time keeping with it when Miu, Renka and occasionally Freya are on panel there's far too much underage giant boob torpedos. I'd add in Shigure but she's an adult...I think..barely...maybe.
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damn that's a lot of skin!
amnesia fist, this could turn out interesting, does she get kidnapped or does she get saved…. I wonder
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why are so many surprised by the skin or mad
seriously if ANY girl EVER gets in a fight of even the smallest kind she is practically stripped naked. In the past it left convenient patches of cloth to cover privates, but in current times the author has slowly removed them to show actual nudity (for reason's i don't know. ratings? she a perv? who knows)
so why would you guys think that if miu fought a master she would come out in any way dressed?
As for chapter I hated it for ONE REASON. I HATE AMNESIA in story's
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"why does a strong female character being stripped naked during a scene of intense emotion and rage just by standing still upset you"
"god you should be used to miu's tissue paper clothing by now"
"though it lessens and demeans every female character in this manga and only has gotten worse with time you guys are overreacting gawsh"
"btw wasn't that amnesia thing so annoying?"
–Hinscher
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why are so many surprised by the skin or mad
seriously if ANY girl EVER gets in a fight of even the smallest kind she is practically stripped naked. In the past it left convenient patches of cloth to cover privates, but in current times the author has slowly removed them to show actual nudity (for reason's i don't know. ratings? she a perv? who knows)
so why would you guys think that if miu fought a master she would come out in any way dressed?
As for chapter I hated it for ONE REASON. I HATE AMNESIA in story's
We've told you why it bothers us. And frankly the nudity is not needed every single time. Especially on underage characters. It increases the smarm factor. It's bad enough you have Ma taking pictures of her constantly. There's plenty of other manga that can show a fight with a woman and not have her in strips, or wearing impractical clothing in the first place.
"why does a strong female character being stripped naked during a scene of intense emotion and rage just by standing still upset you"
"god you should be used to miu's tissue paper clothing by now"
"though it lessens and demeans every female character in this manga and only has gotten worse with time you guys are overreacting gawsh"
"btw wasn't that amnesia thing so annoying?"
–Hinscher
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lets look at history
girl fight 1 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 2 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 3 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 4 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 5 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 6 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 7 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 8 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 9 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 10 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 11 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 12 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 13 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 14 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 15 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 16 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 17 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 18 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 19 - result nudity/torn clothing
girl fight 20 - result nudity/torn clothingmost recent girl fight - result nudity/torn clothing
OMG WTF AUTHOR, why did you ruin this cool moment by having this happen.
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OMG WTF AUTHOR, why did you ruin this cool moment by having this happen.
so basically,
a thing happens all the time, thus you should stop complaining about that thing, even if a particularly bad instance pushes you to the point of repeating yourself
"wall street and banks screw people out of money all the time so SHUT UP amirite? god, what whiners, why don't you just go out and get six figure JOBS already. pussies"
wait, let's get more topical
"man people complain about the female characters getting stripped to pasties and fig leaves all the time! guess I should stop complaining about them, since they do it all the time, and nothing I say will stop them."
Unassailable logic: A Hinscher story.
so this means you'll never ever complain about a bad chapter of bleach or naruto again, right? See you in the Naruto/Blech thread, slick.
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why are so many surprised by the skin or mad
seriously if ANY girl EVER gets in a fight of even the smallest kind she is practically stripped naked. In the past it left convenient patches of cloth to cover privates, but in current times the author has slowly removed them to show actual nudity (for reason's i don't know. ratings? she a perv? who knows)
so why would you guys think that if miu fought a master she would come out in any way dressed?
As for chapter I hated it for ONE REASON. I HATE AMNESIA in story's
Editor's idea I guess. More Fanservice = More Sales.
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Editor's idea I guess. More Fanservice = More Sales.
I dunno man, no one can draw that much fanservice if you don't enjoy it yourself.
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@Sonic:
I dunno man, no one can draw that much fanservice if you don't enjoy it yourself.
I looked up Matsueda Syun, the author. He's male. In addition, all his art includes girls dressed in skin tight costumes. He's a hentai.
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I looked up Matsueda Syun, the author. He's male. In addition, all his art includes girls dressed in skin tight costumes. He's a hentai.
i thought the author was female
edit: nvm I was thinking of the Sekirei author. I knew there was some author that surprised me by being female. Thinking wtf is she a lesbian or something.and don't compare a ECCHI manga showing ECCHI scenes to the market or wallstreet crashing at times.
regardless if her clothing was stripped off or not, her clothing since ch. 1 has been practically see through anyway. seroiusly you are being a total tool. yes i'm calling you an idiot for complaining about and ECCHI manga showing ecchi scenes when it happens all the time.
Hell last chapter, the one before this one you are complaining about, everyone knew that the next chapter would involve a naked miu. if vegas was in charge of betting it would have like 1,000,000:1 odds at least.
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i thought the author was female
and don't compare a ECCHI manga showing ECCHI scenes to the market or wallstreet crashing at times.
regardless if her clothing was stripped off or not, her clothing since ch. 1 has been practically see through anyway. seroiusly you are being a total tool. yes i'm calling you an idiot for complaining about and ECCHI manga showing ecchi scenes when it happens all the time.
Hell last chapter, the one before this one you are complaining about, everyone knew that the next chapter would involve a naked miu. if vegas was in charge of betting it would have like 1,000,000:1 odds at least.
:wassat: But I didn't complain about last chapter. I didn't even post about it.:sad:
I think you meant someone else:unsure:
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:wassat: But I didn't complain about last chapter. I didn't even post about it.:sad:
I think you meant someone else:unsure:
those comments were directed at you, i just didn't feel like grabbing another persons quote, was lazy.
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I wasn't aware it was supposed to be Ecchi, none of the sites I saw it on mentioned that. I pretty much went into this series knowing nothing about it so I wasn't expecting the amount of fan service…But regardless it just feels like every arc it gets worse to me. Especially since I read start to current in about 2 weeks. Maybe it's more noticeable if you aren't waiting week to week.
I personally feel that if you have to insert nudity for to increase sales then maybe you need to rethink your writing skills, or tell critics to go take a flying leap. I'm not saying I hate this manga or anything. But the underage nudity and Kenichi trying to constantly protect Miu, who's a better fighter grates on my nerves. (Yeah I know that was sorta the point since he loves her sooooo much~). But those really only seem to be the downside I see in this.
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Cyclone, you keep on saying "underage" like it's a bad thing.
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I wasn't aware it was supposed to be Ecchi, none of the sites I saw it on mentioned that. I pretty much went into this series knowing nothing about it so I wasn't expecting the amount of fan service…But regardless it just feels like every arc it gets worse to me. Especially since I read start to current in about 2 weeks. Maybe it's more noticeable if you aren't waiting week to week.
I personally feel that if you have to insert nudity for to increase sales then maybe you need to rethink your writing skills, or tell critics to go take a flying leap. I'm not saying I hate this manga or anything. But the underage nudity and Kenichi trying to constantly protect Miu, who's a better fighter grates on my nerves. (Yeah I know that was sorta the point since he loves her sooooo much~). But those really only seem to be the downside I see in this.
First of all, I'm pretty sure every site has this listed under ecchi, as well and the other shonen and so on.
Then lets move on to the FIRST CHAPTER and FIRST VOLUME. Here is the First Volume cover and what not, along with the first chapter cover.
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That is the first like 3 pages you see when you start reading this manga. You can CLEARLY see certain parts of a female body outlined. And if you notice her fighting clothes are already ripped in places.
Now has it gotten worse? The only thing that has changed from what I could tell is that in the last 50 chapters or whatever the author started drawing the actual nipples instead of them being conveniently covered up.
But to say you didn't know this was an ecchi manga has to be an outright lie. If you couldn't tell that from the first chapter or hell by even the 10th chapter, let alone 446 chapters later, you need some better deductive skills.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend the author's use of ecchi elements in any way, just merely stating that to be complaining about it 446 chapters seems dumb to me. Here use this picture then so you can not be soo offended.
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Whoosh,
I'll aim a little downwards this time.
We know the series has ecchi elements
but sometimes they get really bad and/or annoying
when that occurs? We're gonna say something.
You're telling us to not complain about something that's a given for the series? Well, I'm telling you not to complain about something that's a given for this thread. They're the exact same arguments.
And if ours is weak, yours is weak.
What am I saying? I guess when you get right down to it:
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Whoosh,
I'll aim a little downwards this time.
We know the series has ecchi elements
but sometimes they get really bad and/or annoying
when that occurs? We're gonna say something.
You're telling us to not complain about something that's a given for the series? Well, I'm telling you not to complain about something that's a given for this thread. They're the exact same arguments.
And if ours is weak, yours is weak.
What am I saying? I guess when you get right down to it:
What I'm saying is, read the story not gape at the pictures.
Whether Miu is fully clothed in this chapter or torn to shreads in this chapter changes NOTHING in this chapter.
Lets summarize this chapter like we do other series.
1. We see Kenichi falling from last chapters blow
2. We learn that it was due to the other masters killing intent that he struck Kenichi as he did.
3. The master comes and saves Kenichi from his fall
4. Miu is pissed and going on rampage, well best she can for not being a master and all them being masters.
5. He wants to take Miu and thus erases her memory and capture her.
6. God Fist and Sakaki team up to get Miu back. One for reasons of hating being used, other for reasons of Miu being family basically.Does it matter at any point in that summary that Miu is wearing clothes or not?
In the summary I could have said Miu gets her clothing ripped, but if you notice all the above points are story driven points. Her clothing or not changes nothing. I made a bs picture above with her having no rips. Did that somehow change the story? No it did not. Now if I substituted Kenichi's dad into the Elders place with photoshop, that CHANGES things. If I put different clothes on the Elder, it does not change things. See the difference.If we took Sekirei and removed all the nudity would the manga then be talked about with the likes of One Piece, Naruto, ect? Hell no, the story is still super mediocre and removing nudity won't change it. If we saw Nami's during her shower at thriller bark, would that have made One Piece any different? No, but it would have been a new element that he never did in the prior 500 chapters. We would be wondering why now is he doing this. Kenichi on the other hand has been doing these ecchi moments since day 1. So to be complaining about it to me is like if you guys were playing sports and you get called for a foul by shoving a guy over. You get called for a foul EVERY time you do it, yet EVERY time you do it, you complain to the referee for calling a foul.
You would think you would understand that shoving a guy over results in a foul. Hell even animals figure this out. They push a button and food comes out, they push a different button and they get shocked. Sooner or later the animal figures out which button to push and which not too. Apparantly 444 chapters is still not enough time for you guys to figure out what button to push. If you don't want nudity, don't read Kenichi, simple as that. If you find Kenichi an interesting manga, but are turned off by the nudity, I say grow up. I blame the american society for that. We can show mutliation, torture, murder, dead bodies, killings, talk about it, ect to an almost alarming degree and yet if there is even a hint of nudity the whole nation is in an uproar. Seriously at least one show during prime time tv is showing murder or a dead body or something in some way every night. But does america even bat an eye at that? no, but if there was a nipple slip, OMG its almost worse than 9/11.
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Even if it changes nothing in the story, the nudity is still there and as you've just illustrated, it's pointless. I've come to tolerate it as part of the manga but now and again it does bother me. This chapter was one of those times where it bothered me because it went even more over the top than usual.
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BTW, when do new chapters of Kenichi come out typically anyway?
Its seems One Piece, Bleach and Naruto are Wednesdays
Fairy Tail is Friday or Saturday.
Negima I don't know
Kenich I don't knowThose are the main 6 series I read each week.
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It's the same complaint. You're telling us not to comment on an annoyance when it gets bad = us telling you not to comment on us not liking the nudity.
Yours doesn't hold any more weight than ours. Since you're convinced folks are going to complain and I'm convinced you're not going to listen either, what difference does it make?
You commented about disliking the Amnesia Fist? Well, guess what? Elder Furinji has used an Amnesia attack twice - once to make a crimelord in Thailand forget he was evil, and once to make Keniichi forget about the expensive painting he was going to tell Miu about. Since it's appeared before, we could say that "hey, it's happened plenty of times in the manga! Stop your whining." But it doesn't really get us anywhere, does it?
Something we got out of this discussion is that yes: the kind of nudity has gotten worse.
We haven't actually discussed that before.
Imo, this chapter was particularly bad about the nudity that normally idgaf about, because Miu was just STANDING STILL on an electrified fence and her clothes were evaporating, jettisoning from her body like she was Arthur from Super Ghouls & Ghosts or something. This happens all the time yes, but this time it was particularly annoying. Okey, you're complaining about us finding it annoying. You say we say it every chapter (which isn't true), okey.
But frankly, whether it happens every chapter or not, sooner or later someone's going to discuss it - in this discussion thread - for History's Strongest Disciple Keniichi.
If you're so convinced that no matter what people are going to "whine" about it every chapter then why even bother whining back?
I say deal with it. We'll deal with the nudity, like we always have, and you'll deal with us saying something about it, like you always have.
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People who are saying this is unexpected are wrong, and people who are saying that this is out-of-place are also wrong.
When you want teary eyes in the house, flashing some tits is inappropriate. But in this case, I'd say it's quite appropriate. Miu, the beautiful virginal daughter, is being abducted by the bestial foreign man. Her forcibly torn clothes barely leave anything to the imagination. In a primal sense, I am afraid that she will be raped. I know this isn't that sort of manga, and I know she's not even real, but the instinct to protect and worry is there. If Jenezad was carrying a fully clothed Miu in his arms, it would be very different than draping her nearly-nude body over his shoulder and hauling her off by one leg.
In other words, it makes her look more vulnerable, which helps create the tension. Miu, normally Artemis, is reduced to Andromeda. Would the scene work without it? Sure, but I think the nudity actually adds a lot.
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I understand exactly what you're saying, and would be inclined to agree but,
Her clothes tear off even when she isn't in trouble at all. Even when she's fighting with people she can very handily beat. A stiff breeze knocks her clothes off.
So I'm not sure the benefit of the doubt belongs here, but hey, you may be right.
Anyway this was never about whether it was expected or not, it was over whether it was annoying.
Yes, it still is.
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I understand exactly what you're saying, and would be inclined to agree but,
Her clothes tear off even when she isn't in trouble at all. Even when she's fighting with people she can very handily beat. A stiff breeze knocks her clothes off.
So I'm not sure the benefit of the doubt belongs here, but hey, you may be right.
Anyway this was never about whether it was expected or not, it was over whether it was annoying.
Yes, it still is.
and my argument is "When watching a porno and for some reason your into the story, then all of a sudden there is a sex scene being annoyed is just stupid" There will be a sex scene every 5 minutes, you knew this coming into the movie, so don't be annoyed when it happens.
The ecchi scenes have been around since day 1, and as you say even a gust of wind causes them to be there, so WHY would you guys all of a sudden find it annoying now? Would you not be annoyed EVERY time in these 446 chapters? or close to 10 years of this manga?
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Ahh too many things I want to quote, but I feel Silence has mostly said what I was thinking lol. And honestly I didn't see the word ecchi anywhere. Perhaps I missed it. But looking at the first few chapters when I started reading I was like. "Oh okay that outfit is dumb." But that typically happens in anime so I can kinda gloss over it, but there are times I feel it's too much and uneeded.
But the reason I commented on the nudity in this chapter as was pointed out, is that she wasn't doing anything and her clothes came off. My brain tells me it makes no sense for electricty to shred clothing. I want to be able to just read and not be distracted from the story by odd imagery. I don't think that's a sign of being immature. It's just a preference. I play a lot of games and watch a lot of tv and movies. One of my greatest petpeeves is randomly have women in nothing especially if they are someone who constantly gets in fights. I can still stick with it, but I'm gonna say something about it. Miu…wear some actual clothes. Kagome...put on pants you nitwit. Females of Soul Calibur...women if you're fighting people that use weapons, wear armor.
I'm allowed to comment on it if I feel like it. So there, lol.
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I guess when in manga women lose their clothes from punches, from swords (no cuts to their skin), from sneezes, from you get the drift, that some "lightning" or whatever was going on isn't going to make me throw a fit.