no they did not put an age for her but she is most likely 18-20 it's just my guess.
Perfect age to join =( Why Oda did you leave her behind? =(
no they did not put an age for her but she is most likely 18-20 it's just my guess.
Perfect age to join =( Why Oda did you leave her behind? =(
Is this a question that doesn't deserve its own thread?
Yeah it is or should I open one?^^
Why Kuma can't do it? Look what happened to the VA?
can't kuma just repel whitebeard to another place during the war ?
Why would he do that when he has no free will now and the World Government would like him dead?
If the marines catch WB and send him to Impel Down, can Magellan retain him??
If the marines catch WB and send him to Impel Down, can Magellan retain him??
With seastone handcuffs, that makes WB lose his power and sucks out his strength as he wears it.
If you mean in an escape where WB vs Magellan, if Magellan makes contact with WB its game over but I guess the devil fruit power can blow Magellan away so it might be a toss up as destroying the underground fortress using the adequate power to deal with Magellan may cause the destruction and flooding of the goal. Other than that, I guess you can consider the case of strategy (this includes the situation of counting underlings and fodder characters to get to the top level, etc).
in chapter 436 a captain remarks on sanji's black photos.
and a subordinate calls it a mysterious phenomenon.
is tht a clue or sumthing to a powerup of sanji l8r on or is it just as they said tht the lens cap was off?:wassat:
u know an aura or sumthing around sanji ????
coz if they have taken photos of almost every1 then a gaffe like tht shudnt happen ryt????
Dunno but it seems that the photograph just forgot to take off the cap. I think Sanji's Haki will probably similar to Marigold. She seems to be not affected by flames and is able to hurt DF-users.
Even if it was just for comedy I would like to see Sanji's haki similar to his "butning aura" which he shows against Absalom in rage.
Even if it was just for comedy I would like to see Sanji's haki similar to his "butning aura" which he shows against Absalom in rage.
yeah well a burning haki wud turn everything black ryt???
including the surroundings..
so his photos turning black wud hav sumthing to do with that…
or the thing with his covered eyes...
or perhaps i'm speculating too much....
When Kuma was about to finish off everyone at TB, zoro offered him his head, saying that he will one day be the world's no 1 swordsman. Now sanji stepped in too, saying that one day he will be the one the marines fear the most.
Now, we most certainly know that zoro WILL become no 1, but what about sanji? Will his statement come true too? And what will it take to be someone the marines fear the most???
When Kuma was about to finish off everyone at TB, zoro offered him his head, saying that he will one day be the world's no 1 swordsman. Now sanji stepped in too, saying that one day he will be the one the marines fear the most.
Now, we most certainly know that zoro WILL become no 1, but what about sanji? Will his statement come true too? And what will it take to be someone the marines fear the most???
I find this very interesting only in that many predictions from the characters themselves seem to come true very often. Usopp's being the most obvious, but things like Luffy wanting to meet a living skeleton and such should never be taken with a grain of salt.
With Sanji being more or less equal to Zoro and even some times Luffy, by the end of it all I think what will seperate Sanji from the other 2 is his temper and his ability to construct plans behind the scenes. I could see the marines fearing that Sanji could cause major chain reactions within their own walls destroying everything and such, or just being afraid to bad mouth women infront of him.
Who knows how and why Sanji would be more feared than Luffy or Zoro, but I really am expecting it to happen.
well zoro does have the ambition of becoming the greatest swordsman and luffy will definitely become the pirate king..
but put fear into the minds of the marines as a whole??
luffy does not strike one as the type of person to bring fear into a person's mind at least at the first glance, till they havent faced him in combat….
zoro, he couldn't care less about others.....
its sanji who is suitable for this .
if not at present then in the future he will definitely become one of those
awe inspiring characters......
and if he does become okama like ivankov()
tht wud strike fear into the hearts of the marines all ryt....
they wud be like"dont come near me" :cwy:
I find this very interesting only in that many predictions from the characters themselves seem to come true very often. Usopp's being the most obvious, but things like Luffy wanting to meet a living skeleton and such should never be taken with a grain of salt.
With Sanji being more or less equal to Zoro and even some times Luffy, by the end of it all I think what will seperate Sanji from the other 2 is his temper and his ability to construct plans behind the scenes. I could see the marines fearing that Sanji could cause major chain reactions within their own walls destroying everything and such, or just being afraid to bad mouth women infront of him.
Who knows how and why Sanji would be more feared than Luffy or Zoro, but I really am expecting it to happen.
Even more so considering Sanji has been out of the limelight for the majority of the story, especially through the comparison of bounties, and his awesomeness of his own bounty photo.
If anything I think that eventually Sanji might start to equal Zoro's and maybe overtake it by one day, then finally Zoro's come in due to a late increase causing a comedic spark.
Though for him being more feared than Zoro, that would not be too much of a stretch considering his tactics in ways he comes in when needed most. Zoro again just wants to become the strongest swordsman, whether be it as a demon or a saint.
Well. after watching Inglorious Basterds (awesome movie btw, one of Quentin Tarantino's best), I find that cruelty or ferocity is the best way to be feared. Out of all the SH, I can only find 2 person that could fit into that description: Sanji and Zoro. With Zoro slicing the bodies of his enemies and Sanji beating the living crap out of 'em (kinda like The Bear Jew, again from Inglorious Basterds). But since this is shounen, i dont think we could see much cruelty, especially from the main chars. So maybe ferocity? I can definitely see a scene where Sanji is enraged (most prolly a girl is involved here) and just kicks a marine battleship and send it to kingdom come. (with that absalom-fight aura), that should be enough to put fear to those marines.
LOL, prolly wont happen, but I'll definitely love to see it happen
I find that cruelty or ferocity is the best way to be feared. Out of all the SH, I can only find 2 person that could fit into that description: Sanji and Zoro.
missed robin's way of ending opponents??
thts pretty cruel in my opinion..
but no1 fears her do they?
missed robin's way of ending opponents??
thts pretty cruel in my opinion..
but no1 fears her do they?
That's because Robin mostly just use her regular Clutch and all, if only she used the "clutch" she used on Franky back at Water 7. And squeeze the orange out of all her enemies, she would be the most feared woman to all men
Main issue with robin though is that she uses those attacks versus the weaker marines that we label as army trash fillers. For those that would scare the top echelon are those like Sanji, Zoro and Luffy who take on everyone and anyone with ever stronger and ever more noticeable attacks.
Robin, Nami and Usopp would scare the living hell out of the common soldiers though. Robin does have the "read ancient ponyglyphs" going on, but rather than fear it is more of a threatening nature.
if I have this right.
The WG took the Pirate King to East Blue, the weakest of the 4 seas, to hold a public execution to make an example of, in an attempt to thwart the pirate's ambitions?
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Why?
in an attempt to thwart the pirates' ambitions
He was born in Loguetown.
Yeah, they executed him in Loguetown because that's where he was born.
None of that matters. First of all from my understanding, loguetown is in east blue, and people dont generally travel the different blues. Secondly, the east blue is considered the weakest blue. Who cares if he was born there? The only people to witness it were weak east blue peeps, WG+marines+general rabble. I would think they would consider a better way to punish him, or better place. Let's not forget they f**ked up and started the great pirate era in their infinite wisdom. unless it was someone's master plan all along…..
They wanted to end the pirate era in the place where it started. Clearly the person calling the shots is a bit OCD.
@Mr:
None of that matters. First of all from my understanding, loguetown is in east blue, and people dont generally travel the different blues. Secondly, the east blue is considered the weakest blue. Who cares if he was born there? The only people to witness it were weak east blue peeps, WG+marines+general rabble. I would think they would consider a better way to punish him, or better place. Let's not forget they f**ked up and started the great pirate era in their infinite wisdom. unless it was someone's master plan all along…..
Major conspiracy or not, this is Oda's story, if he say Roger was killed in his hometown from where he entered the grandline, the story began and to Oda, it should end there. As the sake of it being where his journey began, it is symbolic; though it may not be realistic or sensible to you, this is done in a number of stories and it was done in this one.
Saying that it is bs for them to have chosen it is out of context to begin with as east blue is weakest as of NOW, not THEN. We do not know which blue was more powerful 20 or w/e years ago so that immediately pokes holes in that consideration. In cases of power and dominance in politics, it may not be sensible (when is politics sensible?) but there is alway an importance in making an example. Killing a person where he was born and started his journey goes full circle for the story and is a sign to those that want to follow his footsteps. As for him spouting about OP was not part of the marines agenda so saying they knew it would happen is not necessarily feasible though not impossible. Is it impossible for governments to screw up? Wow we learn things everyday, it seems the countries of this world must be perfect and guiltless too ^^.
Also, they had the ability to "broadcast" to the world even back then, and having the execution in Marineford would mean what? Only the tenryuubito would see it? The whole thought of Loguetown being a bad choice for the basis for Media exposure is blatantly off if thats the excuse.
I'm just curious, and you may have to put yourself waaaay out there in a different mindset for this one, but!…. If you were the WG and you had someone who was very very much threatening the foundation of your regime, would you;
*Mercifully return him to the place of his birth
*Mercifully and cleanly/quickly(not to mention publicly) dispose of him
*Try to make an example of him
If you're an idiot you do the last one. History has repeatedly shown that to always be a very very bad idea. Maybe not in this magnitude, but still. Showing mercy to criminals shows weakness too, IMO. Not to say that I'm merciless, just that IF I were some power figure in the world of OP, I would think twice about this decision.
And whether you want to admit it or not, if Oda hasn't stated that East Blue USED to not be the weakest, in contextual dialogue or some other Oda statement, then it probably still was. Not to mention (poking another hole in my point) the great pirate era didn't start until after this, so there probably wasn't a whole lot of pirates in all the blues to even classify them as such. I think Gol was just like Luffy is now, some young upstart from the weakest blue with one hell of a dream and the will to carry it out. So he was an exception to the Blues.
I'm not questioning Oda's storytelling, I'm questioning the WG of the OP-verse as if it were a non-fictional entity. Don't you pretend what your reading is more than just a fancy story? I'm pretty sure that all people who watch anime/read manga, or follow series of any kind in general, immerse themselves in the environment to better understand it, or to escape their own.
@Mr:
If you're an idiot you do the last one. History has repeatedly shown that to always be a very very bad idea. Maybe not in this magnitude, but still. Showing mercy to criminals shows weakness too, IMO. Not to say that I'm merciless, just that IF I were some power figure in the world of OP, I would think twice about this decision.
And whether you want to admit it or not, if Oda hasn't stated that East Blue USED to not be the weakest, in contextual dialogue or some other Oda statement, then it probably still was. Not to mention (poking another hole in my point) the great pirate era didn't start until after this, so there probably wasn't a whole lot of pirates in all the blues to even classify them as such. I think Gol was just like Luffy is now, some young upstart from the weakest blue with one hell of a dream and the will to carry it out. So he was an exception to the Blues.
I'm not questioning Oda's storytelling, I'm questioning the WG of the OP-verse as if it were a non-fictional entity. Don't you pretend what your reading is more than just a fancy story? I'm pretty sure that all people who watch anime/read manga, or follow series of any kind in general, immerse themselves in the environment to better understand it, or to escape their own.
Well the thing is, history is known to repeat itself. I agree that it is stupid, but the fact is, that is what they do. The world of OP as does other stories, manga or otherwise, reflects human nature. If you recall human nature, it is not always sensible and people as a whole rarely learn from their mistakes and only once it's too late if even then.
By assuming that what is now was the same 20 years ago is still an assumption. Your mentioning of it hasn't been stated otherwise so it is, is no different for the excuse of the opposite occurrence and both cases are faulty without proper evidence making it something that should not be stated. I understand if you question something and have a theory, but assuming is sort of different.
Piracy was common before and after Roger but it was more rampant after him. To this respect they mentioned the arrival of trash pirates and the idea of the loss of quality of the "old generation" of pirates from the current generations is an underlying theme that is referred to a lot by WB and other older people, and I'm not even counting the anime references. In regards to the old pirates, there has been a lot of comparison of deeds and how old groups have fractured. So saying that the piracy before Roger was non existent may be somewhat haphazard.
When you mention Gol. D Roger as an exception, publicly killing him to save some face for the marines that failed to capture him, until he himself gave himself up to the marines after his journey and eventual death from disease and health would have claimed him anyway, is not too far from a possibility. Read Shaboady arc again if you don't know what I'm talking about. Allowing him to die off without any publicity may create stories and legends that he escaped the WG's grasp and went missing to whatever paradise which would have been a worse situation for the WG and respect for them and the marines by the world. They wanted to kill him saying that no one is above or lives outside of our laws, which is what piracy stands for in contrast.
I do immerse myself in the story and love it, but just denouncing what occurred as complete foolishness is a bit overdoing it. I have nothing against you but my goal was to try to mention the points on why the story was written as is, regardless of if they are sensible to us.
Learning more of the past of OP may help reflect on why the Elder Stars decided to do things how they did and will do, but it is not hard to get a glimpse of their possible reasons and reactions as long as you know the story. Regardless I have no interest in causing a fight or flames so I hope we can leave it at just discussing the situation rather than fight that one issue must be correct.
@Mr:
Who cares if he was born there?
It's pretty cruel to bring someone back "home" and then publicly execute them. And a lot of people in Loguetown were probably proud of Roger and it would be demoralizing to see him brought back in chains to die there. At least that's why I figure the WG thought.
for me it goes arround this lines
"yeah you were born here, there are your childhood friends, there is your house… you did a long trip didnt you? but in the end, you didnt go anywhere AHHAHAHAHA"
Showing him that he did all that but in the end he is just back at were he started, but even more the time went by and thus he is getting killed in front of the people he knew and at the same time seeing their faces
Probably the only reason they are executing ace in the HQ is cause of the WB attack
No one was going to help roger and they knew that... so why not mock him?
How is killing a famous criminal in his hometown irrelevant? Its very symbolic, if u think its idiot, just take a look at whats happening now. Why on earth would the WG risk war with WB by publicly executing Ace? If they wanted to they could just kill him and announce his death later. But Ace is Roger's son, they wanted to declare that they are serious about putting an end to this Pirate Age by whacking the PK's only son. Though it might still incure WB's wrath but at least that would be the easier way of doing the execution
@Mr:
None of that matters. First of all from my understanding, loguetown is in east blue, and people dont generally travel the different blues. Secondly, the east blue is considered the weakest blue. Who cares if he was born there? The only people to witness it were weak east blue peeps, WG+marines+general rabble. I would think they would consider a better way to punish him, or better place. Let's not forget they f**ked up and started the great pirate era in their infinite wisdom. unless it was someone's master plan all along…..
Doesn't this current War arc prove that the WG show an event to a worldwide public? I'm sure that Roger's execution was broadcasted live just as it is the case with the war right now. Also why Loguetown. Perhaps it was Roger last wish to die there.
off topic. @Ivotas : thats a cool sig, where on earth did u find it? pls share the link??? :):):)
Doesn't this current War arc prove that the WG show an event to a worldwide public? I'm sure that Roger's execution was broadcasted live just as it is the case with the war right now. Also why Loguetown. Perhaps it was Roger last wish to die there.
Heck, many reasons allow Loguetown to be suitable. The idea of last wish may be easily granted since he allegedly gave himself up. Heck if someone that seems like a hard-ass like Dragon (assuming his personality from any flashback we have seen) to feel homesick by always looking to where his son is, I would assume that Roger, who is happy-go-lucky, would miss his own home.
off topic. @Ivotas : thats a cool sig, where on earth did u find it? pls share the link??? :):):)
Clicky, clicky [/offtopic]^^
They wanted to end the pirate era in the place where it started. Clearly the person calling the shots is a bit OCD.
But the Pirate Era started after Roger's death.
@The:
But the Pirate Era started after Roger's death.
The great pirate era started, but while Roger was alive, there were very strong pirates, so perhaps they were trying to scare people away from piracy by killing off the biggest name in it.
IMHO, I believe that executing someone in their hometown is more a courtesy than anything else. If I were to be publicly executed, I wouldn't mind if that happened, as oppose to some 3rd world country speaking a dialect I didn't know and murdered essentially in front of a crowd of people I don't know or care about.
@Mr:
IMHO, I believe that executing someone in their hometown is more a courtesy than anything else. If I were to be publicly executed, I wouldn't mind if that happened, as oppose to some 3rd world country speaking a dialect I didn't know and murdered essentially in front of a crowd of people I don't know or care about.
True, that may be part of his ease in the knowledge of his own death at the time, even without even the mention of his disease and the fact he knew his son to be in good hands. If you want to think of major government screw ups, I think the Garp issue is one of the worst. Though you can't really control who you are related to…
I forgot to mention this earlier (kind of a moot point now) but the one thing WG was good at was throwing things under the rug, as in with the use of the CP9, Robin's past, Franky's past, etc.
So For Roger's execution it could have been for the sake of courtesy or for the sake of the symbolism in killing him in his hometown. In such a point I think it would be better to consider the viewpoint in the case of the people and the world, not the one being killed.
For those of Loguetown, the people may have been proud of Roger and his death there would symbolize that all of it will finally end at the hands of the marines. In such a point, it seems sort of important as a statement to the world due to what feats Roger and his crew have done. Heck they even tried to kill the ship builder and anyone that had any small relation to the crew. Besides Roger, the other targets seem to have been done in either secret or mock courts, as in Eneis Lobby, unless for special circumstances.
Something i've been wondering about since forever. When Kuma shoots a beam Franky acknowledges it as something from a fairy tale. But what the heck is the Gaon Cannon made out of? As far as I can tell it is some kind of beam and not wind. Anyone know what it is?
Damn good question…
Hmm I guess it is Coup De Burst. As far as I can tell the anime is an accurate depiction of the attacks, and it looks like a big beam. But a wind beam I suppose is plausable in One Piece.
Damn… the question I'd like to ask sometimes is, what the hell does he put in that cola or how he makes use of it 0.o
Its like liquid freaking haki.
I'm pretty sure it's, if only one thing, carbonation. Maybe simple sugars too.
@Mr:
I'm pretty sure it's, if only one thing, carbonation. Maybe simple sugars too.
For the coup de vent and boo sure, but the cola effect in his body… that seems to be some other thing. Well perhaps veggie juice and tea are interesting as well.
I think the Gaon cannon takes another thing besides carbonation and high pressure.
Well whatever it is, I'm sure it's just chemical reactions of sugars and whatnot. Just like a mechanic knows how an engines works, they generally don't understand the formulas and chemical reactions of the engine
I've been thinking, awakened Zoan fruit users are basically monstorous forms of there animal type. Does this mean that if chopper becomes an awakened zoan user, he will be a large human, afterall the awakened zoan users didn't look human at all. So chopper shouldn't look like a reindeer at all, but rather he would just look human?
I've been thinking, awakened Zoan fruit users are basically monstorous forms of there animal type. Does this mean that if chopper becomes an awakened zoan user, he will be a large human, afterall the awakened zoan users didn't look human at all. So chopper shouldn't look like a reindeer at all, but rather he would just look human?
Very good point, but a bit too late for that…
Very good point, but a bit too late for that…
Well we don't know for sure if this is his awakened form, all we know is that it is the product of eating 3 rumble balls in a short interval.
Well we don't know for sure if this is his awakened form, all we know is that it is the product of eating 3 rumble balls in a short interval.
Okay, I bet my left nut that this is his awakened form.
If Kizaru can move at the speed of light…and the great scientist Vegapunk can take that power and insert into sumthing else maybe a ship.... how come the WG never tried to make contact with aliens? i just think it would be a bigger accomplishment if they contacted with other life forms from outter space instead of just focus on fighting pirates. so how come? fail gorvernment
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/]_Spider;1331086']If Kizaru can move at the speed of light…and the great scientist Vegapunk can take that power and insert into sumthing else maybe a ship.... how come the WG never tried to make contact with aliens? i just think it would be a bigger accomplishment if they contacted with other life forms from outter space instead of just focus on fighting pirates. so how come? fail gorvernment
Lol I think the WG has their hands full with pirates/revolutions to put much effort into space travel.