Seeing as Ryuuma is an ancient samurai and all. He must be using some legendary sword as well. Will Zoro be getting his sword once ryuuma is defeated?
Will zoro get a new sword in thriller bark!!?
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**Yes.
and if he doesn't then you will get eaten.**
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I was thinking the same thing, But I think it's better for ODA to hold his new sword until we get to Merman Island. I cannot wait for the next arc.
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You should understand it's a huge issue. Zoro is emotionally connected to his katanas, he can't just pick one randomly.
Plus, he still needs to settle stuff with the broken one.I'm looking forward into seeing another fight of Zoro in a disadvantage. Man I love those fights.
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Zoro vs. Jigorouh of the Wind. Zoro winds and takes his sword. He now has the sword that he fought himself with. Almost poetic.
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Isnt Jigorohs swords crappy unnamed ones? are they even katanas? (seeing that they got some kind of addition to the handguard i havent seen on any of Zoros swords)
Edit: strange. the sword jigoroh is holding in his left hand in this newest chapter is missing the added part but the sword that is still sheated by his waist still got it. did he change swords or is it a mistake by oda?
Why havent Jigoroh ever had any of the swords in his mouth yet? cant he use the threesword style because his flesh is lacking the neccessary neckstrenght?
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Well, I thought the samurai dude was sort of an earlier incarnation of Zoro, so it looks very possible. And that sword of his is being shown off quite a lot.
And since Brook told Franky & Robin to go 'wake up' their nakama (I think. Might be wrong… >.<), I presume Zoro might just wake up in order to fight his zombie alter-ego, who looks as if he had three swords. So we might just see him fight in a disadvantage already.
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Well, I thought the samurai dude was sort of an earlier incarnation of Zoro, so it looks very possible. And that sword of his is being shown off quite a lot.
Yeah, going by the design from the original Ryuma story it looks that Zoro is inspired on Ryuma. Getting the sword of the his earlier incarnation would really be a "passing the tourch" moment Oda pulls here. It wouldn´t be the sword of a meaningless nobody after all. Don´t know how it will work out with the current match up but I´m still totally sure that Ryuma´s sword will be passed down to Zoro.
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What the -? why the hell do people keep on calling it Thriller Bark? Isn't it supposed to be Thriller Barque?
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Because that´s the official spelling that was shown in chapter 446 (page 18, panel 5). Furthermore being a giant ship the term "bark" pretty much fits as a name. ;)
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What the -? why the hell do people keep on calling it Thriller Bark? Isn't it supposed to be Thriller Barque?
Nope, it was romanized by Oda, at the gate to enter the ship. It's Bark ^^
Damn, Ivotas beat me.
~Ivotas:
Hmm, passing you say? If it's like that it's possible. Not so flashy as no one knows about it, but it's still important.But.. isn't Brooke fighting Ryuuma? I'm with the view of "It's out of question if Zoro doesn't beat him," obviously because Zoro needs to claim his sword.
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What the -? why the hell do people keep on calling it Thriller Bark? Isn't it supposed to be Thriller Barque?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TB_entrance.png
I put this on the Thriller Bark page of Wikipedia for a reason. To silience those who insist on rewriting every instance of Bark into Park or Barque or whatever…
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@Rai:
Hmm, passing you say? If it's like that it's possible. Not so flashy as no one knows about it, but it's still important.
With passing it I didn´t mean that the characters should but us readers should know it. If the concept of putting a bushido-esque swordsman among the protagonists of One Piece really was based on Oda trying to include one of his non-Romance Dawn characters, then Ryuma´s sword would really have some deep meaning, being a katana Oda drew long before One Piece was in the making.
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With passing it I didn´t mean that the characters should but us readers should know it. If the concept of putting a bushido-esque swordsman among the protagonists of One Piece really was based on Oda trying to include one of his non-Romance Dawn characters, then Ryuma´s sword would really have some deep meaning, being a katana Oda drew long before One Piece was in the making.
O_O Did I say anything different?
Anyways yeah, it should be a good deal as long as Oda finds a way to actually pull it off.
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@Rai:
O_O Did I say anything different?
I understood the "not to flashy as no one knows about it" part that way. Sorry if I took it the wrong way.
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'Bark' of a tree/dog
'barque' = ship
'park'…...well, obvious.
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'Bark' of a tree/dog
'barque' = ship
'park'…...well, obvious.
shrug I'll respect the way Oda himself spelled it, but it's wrong. =PAh, no, Barque and Bark is the name of a type of 3 masted ship in two different languages. Bark is English or Irish derivative, Barque is French.
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Oh, it actually is Bark. Barque is just the french term for Bark. ok.
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@Rai:
O_O Did I say anything different?
Anyways yeah, it should be a good deal as long as Oda finds a way to actually pull it off.
Rai, weren't you the one who suggested a way to pull it off in the main chapter thread? Or aim I confusing you with someone else?
It was as follows: Brook and Ryuma fight, but instead of killing Brook, Ryuma disables Brook, so that Brook can't fight anymore, but remains alive. Ryuma retreats back to the lab hallway, while the rest of the Mugiwara cope with 900, Moria, Hogback, etc… Skip forward about 43 hours: the three stooges (Luffy, Zoro and Sanji) wake up on the deck of Sunny, fightin' mad and ready to rumble. Somehow they find their way back to Thriller Bark, and split up to look for the others. Luffy meets 900, Sanji uses his Mellorine radar to spot Nami (still inside Bearsy, naturally) and Zoro wanders into the mansion, where he stumbles over Brook, then stumbles into Ryuma, then, as Shakespeare used to say: they fight.
This not only puts Ryuma's sword in Zoro's proximity (assuming Zoro wins the fight), but it also conveniently establishes Zoro as the stronger of the two Mugiwara swordsmen without requiring a fight between he and Brook to prove it. So there won't be any Alpha battles between Zoro and Brook. However, Alpha battles between Brook and Sanji, and Zoro and Sanji are another matter entirely …
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I don't see Brook in ANY Alpha battles. It's not that important to him. Franky, however…
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Alpha battle = defining the stronger male within the group?
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I don't see Brook in ANY Alpha battles. It's not that important to him. Franky, however…
I agree, it's not important to Brook. But it seems to be extremely important to Sanji. Just look at how many times Sanji snarls at Brook when Brook is on Sanji's "home turf" (the kitchen/dining area of Sunny). Have we ever seen Sanji show his "fangs" to anyone that many times before?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/443/04/
(from about page 4 to about page 11)
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Isnt sanji allways like that? hes not really picking a fight with brook hes just reacting to Brooks (bad) behaviour. and Brook is more trouble in that segment then Usopp Luffy and Chopper combined otherwise.
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Alpha battle = defining the stronger male within the group?
Yes, essentially. It's a term that comes from biology.
http://www.academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/Alpha_male
It establishes status and order among a pack of animals, usually according to strength.
And while there have been no Alpha challenges on Luffy –everyone agrees he's the leader and follows him -- there have been many Alpha battles among his crew to determine who is "second strongest" (I hesitate to say "first mate", but in the pack animal world, that's how "first mate" would be determined: by whoever is the second strongest male).
Isnt sanji allways like that? hes not really picking a fight with brook hes just reacting to Brooks (bad) behaviour. and Brook is more trouble in that segment then Usopp Luffy and Chopper combined otherwise.
You're right – at that moment, Sanji isn't seriously picking a fight with Brook, but he is showing his "fangs" (a classic Alpha reaction to a potential status-threat) to Brook and is yelling insulting things to Brook to make Brook calm down and act more mannerly. How's that for irony? So it's probably fair to say that Sanji feels threatened by Brook. He wouldn't be acting so defensively otherwise. We haven't seen him act this way with Franky – in fact, it seems that he and Franky get along just fine, which is interesting. But perhaps because Brook has so many personality traits in common with Sanji (womanizing, giddiness, joke telling, etc) Brook is seen as more of a threat to Sanji. A big part of Alpha status is that it determines who breeds with whom -- so if Sanji feels that he may lose the attention of the ladies to Brook, that could also be why he's hostile towards Brook. Until Brook arrived, nobody else on the ship schmoozed with the ladies as much as Sanji did.
But I ought to stop now before I derail this thread any further.
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Dont know if this is more on topic then what we just discussed but here goes:
will Jigoroh ever use the third sword he got by his waist? CAN he use it? Jigorohs flesh might not have the neccessary neck muscles to wield the sword… so will Zoro really be at a disadvantage when faceing him?
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Why not? Zoro also doesn´t constantly fight with all of his three swords. However even though if Jigoro inheritet Zoro´s skills I don´t think that in his lifetime his body was trained to wield a sword in the mouth.
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I understood the "not to flashy as no one knows about it" part that way. Sorry if I took it the wrong way.
Ah.. ah..! I see what you mean, sorry sorry. Curse my English and call it a day? ^^
Rai, weren't you the one who suggested a way to pull it off in the main chapter thread? Or aim I confusing you with someone else?
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It was as follows: Brook and Ryuma fight, but instead of killing Brook, Ryuma disables Brook, so that Brook can't fight anymore, but remains alive. Ryuma retreats back to the lab hallway, while the rest of the Mugiwara cope with 900, Moria, Hogback, etc… Skip forward about 43 hours: the three stooges (Luffy, Zoro and Sanji) wake up on the deck of Sunny, fightin' mad and ready to rumble. Somehow they find their way back to Thriller Bark, and split up to look for the others. Luffy meets 900, Sanji uses his Mellorine radar to spot Nami (still inside Bearsy, naturally) and Zoro wanders into the mansion, where he stumbles over Brook, then stumbles into Ryuma, then, as Shakespeare used to say:they fight.
This not only puts Ryuma's sword in Zoro's proximity (assuming Zoro wins the fight), but it also conveniently establishes Zoro as the stronger of the two Mugiwara swordsmen without requiring a fight between he and Brook to prove it. So there won't be any Alpha battles between Zoro and Brook. However, Alpha battles between Brook and Sanji, and Zoro and Sanji are another matter entirely …[/hide]
Wow.. I remember this brought up with Brooke's diambling, but I only said Brooke can lose the same way he already lost and since he can't really die.
Maybe I should get a memory check.. actually it's not the first time someone tells me I did something I [think I] didn't do.Yay for multiquote!
To sum my ideas up, I still believe TB won't give Zoro a sword. It's something that needs to be done on other circumstances.
Another reason is that Zoro needs to "earn" his sword from Ryuuma. By earning his sword from Ryuuma, he needs to prove he can beat him. Without it. Right? Can't really put this right, hope that was understood. -
I find it strange that they put the shadow of a pirate worth 150 millions into Jigoroh ? He doesn't seem as badass as many other zombies…
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I think he has to be pretty strong, considering that the zombie body of his is capable of containing Zoro. I thought the basics of zombie reviving included that the body must be stronger than the shadow in order to contain it…?
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@Rai:
Wow.. I remember this brought up with Brooke's diambling, but I only said Brooke can lose the same way he already lost and since he can't really die.
Maybe I should get a memory check.. actually it's not the first time someone tells me I did something I [think I] didn't do.Oh, sorry – my error then. I guess because you were the first person to mention that Brook could be disabled instead of killing or being killed, I associated that idea with you instead of with whoever else came up with the rest of it. Heck, "the rest of it", now that I think about it, might have even been my own ideas (lack of sleep is making me more wobbly than usual with my comments)!
We'll agree to disagree about the "Brook can't die" part.
To sum my ideas up, I still believe TB won't give Zoro a sword. It's something that needs to be done on other circumstances.
Another reason is that Zoro needs to "earn" his sword from Ryuuma. By earning his sword from Ryuuma, he needs to prove he can beat him. Without it. Right? Can't really put this right, hope that was understood.Yes, but if he can beat Ryuma without it, don't you think that this would be reason enough for him to have Ryuma's sword? I would think that that would be how he could "earn" it. Kind of like in the Robin Hood legends, where a person can only be a member of Robin's Merry Men if he first defeats Robin himself. Only in this case, it would be "if you can defeat me without a third sword, you can have my sword as your third".
I believe that's part of bushido culture too – that once you've exceeded your sensei, then you can be his heir. And since Zoro and Ryuma are both masters of cannon-type attacks, it's fitting that one would recognize the other as carrying on that line.
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Oh, sorry – my error then. I guess because you were the first person to mention that Brook could be disabled instead of killing or being killed, I associated that idea with you instead of with whoever else came up with the rest of it. Heck, "the rest of it", now that I think about it, might have even been my own ideas (lack of sleep is making me more wobbly than usual with my comments)!
We'll agree to disagree about the "Brook can't die" part.
lol, agreed. :D [sleep then!]
When I'll have more time, I'll look at the Chapter Discussion thread to look for the posts around those stuff, how's that?Yes, but if he can beat Ryuma without it, don't you think that this would be reason enough for him to have Ryuma's sword? I would think that that would be how he could "earn" it. Kind of like in the Robin Hood legends, where a person can only be a member of Robin's Merry Men if he first defeats Robin himself. Only in this case, it would be "if you can defeat me without a third sword, you can have my sword as your third".
I believe that's part of bushido culture too – that once you've exceeded your sensei, then you can be his heir. And since Zoro and Ryuma are both masters of cannon-type attacks, it's fitting that one would recognize the other as carrying on that line.
That's… kinda unequal O_O
Well, can't argue with facts, so I'll accept that. Normally I'd think Oda would go with the "See, Zoro can survive without the sword, he doesn't need it" [grammer?], but if he has counters to that within history and legends I won't be surprised if it's as you said.. -
I think he has to be pretty strong, considering that the zombie body of his is capable of containing Zoro. I thought the basics of zombie reviving included that the body must be stronger than the shadow in order to contain it…?
we dont know that… for now that is jsut speculation as to why Dogpen could not hold Sanjis body while Moria is expecting Oz to contain Luffy that wants to become PK.
the only thing we really know is that shadows are copies of a persons soul and that strong flesh + strong shadow = a zombie that is stronger then the parts.
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I think he has to be pretty strong, considering that the zombie body of his is capable of containing Zoro. I thought the basics of zombie reviving included that the body must be stronger than the shadow in order to contain it…?
Nah, that was never said anywhere. If that would be the case then Brook would know beforehand that he can´t win against Ryuma.
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@Rai:
lol, agreed. :D [sleep then!]
Yes sir!
(this weekend, I can sleep in finally).
Well, can't argue with facts, so I'll accept that.
I'm here to discuss OP, not to preach it – I'll be glad to hear your opinions, even if they contradict "facts".
Normally I'd think Oda would go with the "See, Zoro can survive without the sword, he doesn't need it".
This may sound strange, but that's exactly what I've been hoping for too! – that Zoro would be able to survive with 2 1/2 swords. And I defended that hope in every sword-related thread on this board for months. Then a short while ago, Meh and Ivotas began to persuade me otherwise. I'll try to dig up their posts for you when I have the time.
Meh effectively proved to me that 2-1/2 swords would not be in keeping with Zoro's character, because he'd have to radically alter his fighting style, and Ivotas effectively proved to me that if a new sword had to be accepted (if 2-1/2 swords wasn't an option anymore) that Ryuma's sword would be the best fit – for logical as well as sentimental reasons (the main sentimental reason being that Ryuma was among the first swordsmen Oda ever drew in a manga, and was, in many ways, a "rough draft" of Zoro).
Just like you, I don't think that Yubashiri can be discarded so easily, and I don't want Zoro to get a third sword. But if he has to get one, then this sword – the sword of a cannon-master and "ancestor", seems like a perfect fit.
Of course, Oda, being Oda (and so fond of playing tricks on us) could end up giving Zoro one of Lola's swords instead ...
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oooh i thought Zoro had already discarded his third sword already but looking back i notice he is still carrying it… so is the reason Jigoroh hasnt drawn his third sword because Zoro isnt drawing his currently and that has already been adapted by his shadow?
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oooh i thought Zoro had already discarded his third sword already but looking back i notice he is still carrying it… so is the reason Jigoroh hasnt drawn his third sword because Zoro isnt drawing his currently and that has already been adapted by his shadow?
true.
but a shadow pass the behavior & skill to the zombie and not memories.
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true.
but a shadow pass the behavior & skill to the zombie and not memories.
Zoro sword mastery is a form of motor memory or fine motor skill.
Behavior is more of a conscious action/reaction of an a person, although the involuntary/sub-consious is also an important factor.ramza85 makes an interesting point here. From what I've read about bushido, the whole idea behind training, behind practicing the same moves over and over again, is so that your body will "remember" how to do the moves, not your mind. That is to say, that the moves become instinctual, so that the body responds faster to a threat than the mind does.
(As a quick tangent : I witnessed an example of this once when a double-black-belt, who was dating my ditsy house-mate, nearly killed her when she played a joke on him. We were talking, and he had his back turned to her, and for whatever reason, she suddenly jumped on him, throwing her arms around his neck. All those years of hard training taught his body to intuitively react – so as soon as he felt her weight on his back and her arms around his neck, his body went "THREAT!!!" and before he, or we, where completely aware of what was happening, he'd thrown her to the carpet, pinned her, and was raising an arm to strike her. Thankfully, he didn't. It was just enough time for him to realize that she wasn't a threat and was in fact his girlfriend. It took him forever to calm down from that initial adrenalin-fueled outburst. He sat against the hallway wall, stunned and breathless. She was stunned, too, and crying. It didn't occur to her that it's not a good idea to scare a martial artist …)
So if that same principle operates in the Oda-verse, then I'd expect that most of Zoro's talent resides in his body, not in his mind. That makes me wonder just how much of Zoro's "body's knowledge" (that's what they call it in some bushido texts) would be transferred over in his shadow to Jigoroh. However, it's probably safe to assume that Jigoroh's body still possess the majority of his "body's knowledge", so even if very little of Zoro's "body knowledge" transfers with his shadow, there will be enough of Jigoroh's own "knowledge" in his body already to make him a threatening (though ridiculous-looking) warrior.
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the question is does the body retain the knowledge once the soul is gone?
they are after all completly different people as a zombie with a shadow in them from when they were alive. All their mannerisms and the way they move are totaly different.
I would say Jigoroh holds all of Zoro's "Body's knowledge" and none of his own.But why Jigoroh hasnt drawn the third sword and put it in his mouth yet is kinda pusseling to me. i think he cant use it for whatever reason.
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But why Jigoroh hasnt drawn the third sword and put it in his mouth yet is kinda pusseling to me. i think he cant use it for whatever reason.
I'm in agreement with Ivotas – that it's a combination of Zoro not putting Wado in his mouth every time he fights (he usually only does that well into the fight, when it's time to "get serious") and also Jigoroh's body not having the training and/or "knowledge" of putting a sword in his mouth. Katana are heavy. It's not something someone could do without practicing first (just ask AP's many Zoro cosplayers!)
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Where has this "Jigorouh of the Wind" guy been mentioned? I didn't see him anywhere… Did I miss it :(? Can someone please tell me the chapter?
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He appears first in chapter 452. Hard to miss actually. ;)
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Yes sir!
(this weekend, I can sleep in finally).
That's good then :D
I'm here to discuss OP, not to preach it – I'll be glad to hear your opinions, even if they contradict "facts".
FACTS ARE ABSOLUTE.
This may sound strange, but that's exactly what I've been hoping for too! – that Zoro would be able to survive with 2 1/2 swords. And I defended that hope in every sword-related thread on this board for months. Then a short while ago, Meh and Ivotas began to persuade me otherwise. I'll try to dig up their posts for you when I have the time.
Just like you, I don't think that Yubashiri can be discarded so easily, and I don't want Zoro to get a third sword. But if he has to get one, then this sword – the sword of a cannon-master and "ancestor", seems like a perfect fit.
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2-1/2 Swords.. didn't think about it, but it might really be fine no?
Anyways, I was thinking alone fighting with another sword he found, then break it during attack near the end/at the end of the fight, winning of course. Like that he'll prove he can do without Ryuuma's sword to be strong, but still need a sword that is strong enough and fits him enough to be his.Meh effectively proved to me that 2-1/2 swords would not be in keeping with Zoro's character, because he'd have to radically alter his fighting style,
I see what he means, it's a complete other style. However, Zoro trained Nitoryuu till Kuina died, and even added a "If only I had one more sword..!!" note during his fight with those Cat Brothers in Kuro's arc. Nitoryuu, or Santoryuu with one weak sword, should do the trick. Right?
and Ivotas effectively proved to me that if a new sword had to be accepted (if 2-1/2 swords wasn't an option anymore) that Ryuma's sword would be the best fit – for logical as well as sentimental reasons (the main sentimental reason being that Ryuma was among the first swordsmen Oda ever drew in a manga, and was, in many ways, a "rough draft" of Zoro).
Actually I dunno about that. Being a draft of Zoro, being a huge symbol of bushido in our and Oda's mind towards OP, and all those stuff.. Zoro himself, as a fighter in his world and not a character in a manga, couldn't care less or even know about stuff like that. Let alone connect to them mentally to claim Ryuuma's sword.
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@Rai:
Actually I dunno about that. Being a draft of Zoro, being a huge symbol of bushido in our and Oda's mind towards OP, and all those stuff.. Zoro himself, as a fighter in his world and not a character in a manga, couldn't care less or even know about stuff like that. Let alone connect to them mentally to claim Ryuuma's sword.
That is hardly an argument. The authors creation does not negate the authors intention. Whitebeard is based on a bartender Oda new. That is the authors inspiration behind it. The character in the OP world however is the creation Oda came up with in his story. One is based on the other. Same would count for Zoro here. If it is Oda´s intention to give him Ryuma´s sword as an homage to "Monsters" in a way of "passing the tourch" then this would be the general idea that will never be showcased like that within the story, but would make an interesting tidbit for us readers.
However this doesn´t rule out the possibility that Oda might wrap the conceptual idea around nicely within the story itself. I can think of two possible scenarios from the top of my head:
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Zoro might have heard great stories about Ryuma the dragon slayer as a kid. I mean I don´t see why Zoro couldn´t have admired him before he went to Koshiro´s dojo, like the kids at the dojo admire Zoro now. I don´t think that it would make Zoro lesser cool if his desire to become a swordman was based on worshiping somebody.
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Ryuma might be one of Zoro´s ancestor which just like the previous example would be an explenation for Zoro´s desire to become a swordsman. Only here it could be some sort of destined path to follow the family "business".
This is just two possibilities. Don´t have to happen that way. I´m just trying to show how an idea of the author can executed within the story and make sense.
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There are only two reasons I can think of for Zoro to pass up Ryuuma's sword, 'Dragon Slayer'.
(1.) He gets Yubashiri reforged at Fishman Island. (Doubtful; Zoro only has the hilt, the rest of the blade was rusted away)
(2.) He knows that he can get a better sword later. (If this were the case, he might have shown a bit more excitement about getting there, and insisted on not entering Thriller Bark.)
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There´s actually no reason why Ryuma´s sword wouldn´t make the proper addition to Zoro´s swords. It would be far more then just a replacement for Yubashiri.
I mean while it is special by being a named sword it just never carried as much of an own story like the other two have. Wado is Kuinas sword, that already is a story in itself. Kitetsu is a cursed sword, also a story in itself. But all that Yubashiri had was being a gift of Ippon-Matsu. I´m not saying that it isn´t a great thing but being Ippon-Matsu´s gift is pretty much everything big deal like the sword had in terms of having a backstory. This is not in the same league as the other two.
Ryuma´s sword however simply is the sword of a legendary dragon slayer. That just is more backstory then being just a gift. It is a pretty common thing in stories that address swordfighting that certain swords belonged to legendary men and that it is an honor to wield them. Don´t see why it should be different here if Ryuma is that much of a big deal.
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Though I can see why most think Zoro will pick up Ryuma's sword (since he was "the" great swordsman from his wanted short)… I personally dont see it. One it doesnt seem like he will be facing Ryuma as of this last chapter (since im sure Brook will likely defeat him... he has afterall lost once already). Second... its a completely different type of Katana compared to what Zoro usually wields. Zoro seems to wield shorter, single-hand katanas, thus allowing him greater movement with them and he doesnt need to use both hands to hold either of his swords.
Look at the size of Ryumas sword and tell me it is even remotely the same size as Zoro's other swords.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/chapter450.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11275
The sword stretchs from his waist and crosses to the other side of his body meanwhile actually reaches the ground itself because of how large it is. It is a two-handed Great katana. Now Zoro may have the strength to wield it single handed… but it certainly will be the oddball sword out of all 3 of his swords if it is this big. I just dont see it happening. I personally think he will get his new sword in the next arc, or just before they reach the "new world"
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I think Ryuuma's sword being passed to Zoro would make sense. It did slay a dragon*, afterall.
*Download Wanted! a compilation of One Shots on kefi.org to read the story. It's interesting.
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Look at the size of Ryumas sword and tell me it is even remotely the same size as Zoro's other swords.
It will shrink just like Moria did… (just jokeing
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I never understood the size argument. I mean this is a manga and as always in such a medium size´s are often inconsistent. The very next page for instance makes it not appear as if it is much larger then Zoro´s swords.
And even (which I highly doubt) the size argument should matter at some point, wouldn´t it actually make sense to first see how large Ryuma himself is in comparison to people like Zoro before we actually judge that it is the sword that´s too large? In the again next page he doesn´t even appear to be larger then Cindry. And remember that he´s walking on this (don´t know their names) wooden "shoes" that add couple of centimeters to his size. So that size argument really doesn´t strike me as something that could determine anything here.
And as far as Ryuma´s opponent being found is concerned - Who says that he will lose to Brook? I mean, if not after Arabasta already at least after reading Enies Lobby we should all know that the pairings for a fight can change pretty easily. And especially if Ryuma already defeated Brook then it is more then likely that he will do it again, which would still mean that somebody has to get Brooks shadow back from Ryuma.
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For that matter even if Ryuma is defeated what to say that Moria doesn't have a few strong shadows in storage to re res him. I can't see him not being prepared for one of his generals losing it's shadow in case the real owner gets killed, or walks into the sunlight.
My personal guess is it just be a stalemate for now. If the other zombie generals show up in the middle of the duel, brook will have to retreat for now.