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If the Shichibukai are so strong, then why havent they found One Piece?
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You lot had best walk away, you can't argue with that post^. It's just pure FACTS, each quote backing up the next one.
Stop kissing ass.
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err guys … ?! why did not anyone mention the new information
about gekko moria yet? lolsi think you need to restructure your whole thread by now:
Subordinates: Masterrr~~~!!! The three mysterious people have arrived!!
Moria: …They’re early… let them enter.
The three mysterious people (Hogback, Absalom, Perona) arrive before Moria
Moria: Oh, so you guys actually came? Kishishishi!! Hurry up and make me the pirate king!! Immediately!!! -
@vlad:
err guys … ?! why did not anyone mention the new information
about gecko moira yet? lolsi think you need to restructure your whole thread by now:
Uh, what does that have to do with anything… at all? So he wants to be Pirate King. Big whoop. He needs to take a number.
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I bet he's a pedophile.
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I bet he's a pedophile.
Considering that Zombies are infants… you may be on to something.
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Lol how many months has it been, FFA, since that talk about mihawk and shanks started?
and i think vlad Dracul is just being on-topic unlike the most of us here LOL.
Yeah what that quote is saying is that the Shichibukai DO go after One Piece after all. It's not like they're just stagnant and going against the yonkou to stop them from gaining one piece, because they want it themselves.
In other words, the speculation that the Shichibukai have to equal the Yonkou in terms of power in order to be considered a Great Power is less relevant now.
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ye arch, that was exactly my intention :happy:
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="Fire Fist" Ace;535229]This is bullcrap.
Mihawk has a title. So what? You have no way of knowing when or under what circumstances he earned this title.
There is only one possible circumstance in a duel between two honorable swordsmen and that's a fair fight.
Show me exactly where it says that he lost to Mihawk. Show me EXACTLY where it says he LOST to Mihawk and I'll concede.
Mihawk best, shanks not best. The best defeats the guys who aren't the best.
If we're going to use your logic…. SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS WHITEBEARDS SHIP DOESN'T HAVE ROCKET BOOSTERS. What you can't?
Mihawk only has the title because Shanks lost his arm. ONLY.
So shanks is weaker without his arm, Mihawk>shanks
Shanks = Mihawk. Period. End of Story.
MIHAWK STRONGEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD
That only suggests that he was a notorious pirate, not that he was one of the Yonkou.
Whitebeard wouldn't give a crap if he wasn't a yonkou.
Luffy is a notorious pirate, and he's not one of the Yonkou.
And what a coincidence, whitebeard didn't mention anything about him.
Besides, of course WB and his crew knew who Shanks was, they'd clashed with Roger's crew many times. Everyone that knew him was surprised when he lost his arm, so what?
You're joking right?
Whitebeard would give a rats @$$ about some cabin boy, he had bigger things to worry about, LIKE GOL D ROGER!!
It's what is said in the manga. That line points to that Shanks and Whitebeard's fight wasn't entirely serious. It spawned from an argument, yes; and they were attacking each other, yes, but people can argue and come to terms and go their own ways. All we have to go off of is what we have seen in the manga so far. Signs point to that they're not killing each other. That's all there is to it.
You have to be serious against the strongest man in the world, if not it will contradict canon.
And if Mihawk had beaten Shanks, he wouldn't be just a plain Shichibukai, he'd be like a… Shichibu_kami_. xD
Actually he would be whatever he wants to be
Four Emperors equal SEVEN Shichibukai. Some are stronger than others, sure, but if one was stronger than one of the Yonkou, well… there'd be a ridiculous imbalance.
The manga states otherwise, it says Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world.
Mihawk>shanks
Obviously Mihawk isn't any stronger than Shanks, well, now at least. They're friends now anyway, so what does it matter?
Manga states otherwise
Stop kissing ass.
Stop entering a debate when all you ever do is go off topic and isult others. All because you ain't got the brains to contribrute
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Well… we have yet to see if Shanks is a full-on swordsman. He is a Yonkou still, which means his power is great, but Mihawk is probably stronger.
We also know that Mihawk isn't as strong as Whitebeard, so people who said that Shanks and Whitebeard are equal because of one clash... they're wrong.
Man Closest to One Piece > Strongest Swordsman
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Mihawk may be a better swordsman but shanks is a better pirate and commands a battle fleet. So its obv Shanks > Mihawk just because Mihawk has the title doesn't mean its not Shanks = Mihawk. WB is considered the strongest man in the OP world so why is he unable to obtain. Maybe because all the yonkou are equal to him in strength. If that is the case then its definitely Shanks > Mihawk.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Mihawk may be a better swordsman but shanks is a better pirate and commands a battle fleet. So its obv Shanks > Mihawk just because Mihawk has the title doesn't mean its not Shanks = Mihawk. WB is considered the strongest man in the OP world so why is he unable to obtain. Maybe because all the yonkou are equal to him in strength. If that is the case then its definitely Shanks > Mihawk.
So you're saying…
As a swordsman in battle: Mihawk > Shanks
As a pirate: Shanks > Mihawk
And Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world. Which means he is strongest, and not equal, or he'd be joint-strongest.
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@$abZ:
So you're saying…
As a swordsman in battle: Mihawk > Shanks
As a pirate: Shanks > Mihawk
And Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world. Which means he is strongest, and not equal, or he'd be joint-strongest.
Yea.
But like i said he's the strongest yet he can't move passed the other yonkou on the second half of the grandline. Their has to be a reason why he can't obtain OP you know what I am saying.
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hmmm… I'm still waiting for superstar to prove me wrong that Shanks got weaker after he lost his arm.
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If by better pirate you mean, he's after one piece, has a crew and is always drunk. Then yes he's the better pirate, although if you mean he's stronger tha mihawk.
You're wrong
By attacking whitebeard with a sword, shanks has shown swordsmanship as his primary style.
So Mihawk primary style> shanks primary style
Mihawk>shanks
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**This thread is like masturbation.
It feels good at first, but all you're really doing is fucking yourself.**
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This thread is like masturbation.
It feels good at first, but all you're really doing is fucking yourself.
What's with all the philosophical posts poly? You been smoking too much?
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you have jumped to one or more conclusions.
@ONEinchPUNCH:There is only one possible circumstance in a duel between two honorable swordsmen and that's a fair fight.
So shanks is weaker without his arm, Mihawk>shanks
those things has not been explicitly stated. you have simply gotten that conclusion through deductive reasoning. however deductive reasoning does not allways provide the correct answer. (sherlock holmes once resoned that the owner of a hat had to be quite intelligent on the note that the hat was big. a big hat would mean a big head and a big brain which in sherlocks opinion would mean that the owner was intelligent. which is not allways the case)
Interperations that are up for debate
You have to be serious against the strongest man in the world, if not it will contradict canon.
Mihawk>shanks
Manga states otherwise
This depends on how you read the manga. should have an IMO attached to it at all times.
WTF?
If we're going to use your logic…. SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS WHITEBEARDS SHIP DOESN'T HAVE ROCKET BOOSTERS. What you can't?
…. im not even touching this one.
correct
MIHAWK STRONGEST SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD
And what a coincidence, whitebeard didn't mention anything about him.
The manga states otherwise, it says Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world.
nothing to say about this.
Pure speculation:
Whitebeard wouldn't give a crap if he wasn't a yonkou.
Mihawk best, shanks not best. The best defeats the guys who aren't the best. (since this say nothing about swordsmanship it goes here)
Fan fiction.
Im going to ask you ro reread the manga
You're joking right?
Whitebeard would give a rats @$$ about some cabin boy, he had bigger things to worry about, LIKE GOL D ROGER!!
specificly ch434 9-10 pages into the chapter.
Whitebeard: You've certainly made a name for yourself,
Since your days as a simple cabin boy…
On Gol D. Roger's ship...!!!- Page 78 -
Whitebeard: We fought with Roger so often,
you learn to recognize faces in battle…
What happened to that funny guy with the red nose? He dead already?
Shanks: …you mean Buggy! Wow, that takes me back…
We went our separate ways in Loguetown,
on the day the captain died. Haven't seen him since...< <shanks: come="" with="" me,="" buggy!!<br="">< <buggy: i'd="" rather="" die="" than="" work="" for="" you,="" jerkwad!!!<br="">Shanks: Sometimes the grapevine turns up rumors of him still being a pirate.</buggy:></shanks:>
He even mentions Buggy for crying out loud.
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@Ronaldphino:
hmmm… I'm still waiting for superstar to prove me wrong that Shanks got weaker after he lost his arm.
When did I say he got weaker? I am saying he didn't!!!! I said there was nothing stated concerning his arm in the OP red data book. (Shanks fanbase at AP).
@Fire Fist:
This is bullcrap.
Mihawk has a title. So what? You have no way of knowing when or under what circumstances he earned this title.
Show me exactly where it says that he lost to Mihawk. Show me EXACTLY where it says he LOST to Mihawk and I'll concede.
Mihawk only has the title because Shanks lost his arm. ONLY.
Shanks = Mihawk. Period. End of Story.
Mihawk ALWAYS had the title, He NEVER refuses a challenge and when Shanks lost his arm Mihawk lost intrest in Shanks! Shanks failed to take his title on to plan B, ZORO!!!!!!!!!
Yup. ;P And if Mihawk had beaten Shanks, he wouldn't be just a plain Shichibukai, he'd be like a… Shichibu_kami_. xD Four Emperors equal SEVEN Shichibukai. Some are stronger than others, sure, but if one was stronger than one of the Yonkou, well… there'd be a ridiculous imbalance. Obviously Mihawk isn't any stronger than Shanks, well, now at least. They're friends now anyway, so what does it matter? And on a total random note, I wonder what Mihawk did during his life as a pirate, anyway. o_o;
It was stated that Mihawk was "FORMERLY ONE OF THE GREATEST PIRATES!!" Mihawk is a Shichibukai, A world power that EQUALS YOUR Emperors!!! Mihawk has a World-class title along with Whitebeard, that should tell you something. Mihawk is SECOND to Whitebeard which means he is stronger than the Emperors (Going by the info and facts we have right now)!!! Mihawk > Shanks.
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When did I say he got weaker? I am saying he didn't!!!! I said there was nothing stated concerning his arm in the OP red data book. (Shanks fanbase at AP).
So you agree with me that Shanks did not get weaker(psolaras and OIP did not agree, since they thought there is no proof). You just think that the red data book doesn't state it which it does. Then why are you arguing if we both agree that Shanks did not get weaker after losing his arm? Or did I misunderstand you?
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…. btw how do we know that Mihawk didnt hold the title of "worlds strongest swordsman" even before he started duelling Shanks?
That way every duel between Shanks and Mihawk could have been a draw, so Shanks could never have taken the title from Mihawk but both could be equal in strengh.
and if shanks fight in other ways besides wielding a sword and Mihawk only with the sword there could be enough reason for not giving them both a joint title.
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I have a theory on the future of the "bear". Since Luffy's bounty is now higher than his, maybe the "Bear" will be used as a poochie for a Yonkou or maybe even Blackbeard himself.
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Bartholemew Kuma? Luffys bounty is higher then Kumas frozen bounty.
Bounty =/ strenghtespecially not when talking about frozen ones.
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shanks didnt rise from cabinboy to emperor just like that. he became captain and gathered a crew in between.
I not saying he did, I saying he got scared by Blackbeard when he was a Yonkou, Shanks made a name for himself by raviling, The Strongest swords man which is Hawkeye's.
Whitebeard: It passed in the blink of eye, to me…
But plenty already speak of them as legends.
The days of the duels between you and Hawk-Eyes,
they are still fresh in my ears...and most of the info we have on Shanks is about his swordsman ship and fighting Hawkeye's many times.
it is still possible that shanks was NOT a yonkou when he met Luffy for the first time. that does not mean he wasnt strong at the time. just not emperor strong.
Not Emperor strong? I thought that too, but I remebered what Shanks 1st mate said….
Beckman: (thwup)
Don't get full of yourselves, bandits…!!
If you wanna mess with us,
you better be hauling a battleship along.A battle ship just to mess with them…
I thought Shanks was not a yonkou also when he 1st mate Luffy but thats when I put these 6 quotes together....
Luffy: …Shanks?! How are Shanks and his crew?! Where are they?!
Garp: How ARE they…?!- Page 35 -
Garp: Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.
These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does,
are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!!
It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!
These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.Garp just telling us who he is…..and now Robin...
Robin: …he has connections to the same "Red-hair"…?!
and now Naim…
Nami: Luffy says his straw hat was given to him to hold onto by that guy.
But I didn't realize he was that special.When you came from East Blue,
missing an arm… well, EVERYONE was shocked.Whitebeard: Who'd you lose that arm to,
then…?Shanks: This one was no mark of adventure.
It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes…
This scar was given to me
by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach...!!
And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise.
Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?!Hawkeye's is a ôka Shichibukai(an equal to the Emperor's) and back then it is stated in the Red Data book that Mihawk was formerely one of the Greatest Pirate's.
and now Shanks is telling us that his scar did not come form Mihawk, but form a NO Name Pirate (Blackbeard) who scared a Emperor and it was not a cheap blow, or taken by suprise.
Blackbeard scared an Emperor (Shanks)
That means…
Blacbeard >>>> Ace
Because Blackbeard = > Shanks
An Emperor is 1 or 2 levels above Ace.
Thats what Shanks was saying when he said....
Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?!
Alot of shanks fame comes from his strenght but he still have some that comes from beeing on rogers ship. theres a flashback where shanks and buggy takes up arms side by side sothey did fight even if they were just cabinboys. (also im not sure about this but didnt whitebeard say something along the lines of "i got to know you through fighting with Rogers ship"?)
Shanks had no name when he was on Roger's ship….......
Whitebeard: You've certainly made a name for yourself,
Since your days as a simple cabin boy…
On Gol D. Roger's ship…!!!Yes your right about what I have in bolded 2nd….
Whitebeard: We fought with Roger so often,
you learn to recognize faces in battle…
What happened to that funny guy with the red nose? He dead already?Whitebeard recognized faces in battle he didn't know who the heck he was killing or fighting.
Whitebeard don't really know who Buggy is…. its because he didn't make a name for himself out side of Rogers ship like Shanks.
! Buggy still the strongest in one Piece I have facts!
Whitebeard: You've certainly made a name for yourself,
Since your days as a simple cabin boy…
On Gol D. Roger's ship...!!!Shanks got no fame for being on roger's ship as a simple cabin boy as The Great pirate Edward Newgate, tells us.
Polygon: what would be the fun in that? im bored so i can just as well share my point of view.
Mihawk > Shanks….you still high?
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So you agree with me that Shanks did not get weaker(psolaras and OIP did not agree, since they thought there is no proof). You just think that the red data book doesn't state it which it does. Then why are you arguing if we both agree that Shanks did not get weaker after losing his arm? Or did I misunderstand you?
You misunderstood, I said that the info in the red data concerning him not losing strength with one arm is not stated. Also It is very obvious that Shanks has not lost any power from losing that arm. Chapter 434 shows us that.
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Mihawk ALWAYS had the title, He NEVER refuses a challenge and when Shanks lost his arm Mihawk lost intrest in Shanks! Shanks failed to take his title on to plan B, ZORO!!!!!!!!!
This is the most retarded statement ever. Okay, if he ALWAYS had the title, that means before he was born, when he was two years old, etc.
That's just stupid.
It was stated that Mihawk was "FORMERLY ONE OF THE GREATEST PIRATES!!" Mihawk is a Shichibukai, A world power that EQUALS YOUR Emperors!!! Mihawk has a World-class title along with Whitebeard, that should tell you something. Mihawk is SECOND to Whitebeard which means he is stronger than the Emperors (Going by the info and facts we have right now)!!! Mihawk > Shanks.
NO. Shanks = Mihawk.
Oh, and you just burned your hero, btw. You said he was formerly a great pirate. Now he's not. :-D
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I not saying he did, I saying he got scared by Blackbeard when he was a Yonkou, Shanks made a name for himself by raviling, The Strongest swords man which is Hawkeye's.
have we got any indications that Shanks and Whitebeard has fought at all after becomeing Yonkou? there is a possibility that they havent because that would disrupt the balance of the three powers. so maybe Shanks was not scarred as a yonkou.
or were you saying he was scared = afraid? in that case i think that is an interperation since shanks asks whitebeard to leave Blackbeared alone (if he was frightened wouldnt he ask WB to send more people after him or go after him himself?). the way i see it he is not really scared of BB but does not want Ace to fight BB since he belives Ace can handle him.Not Emperor strong? I thought that too, but I remebered what Shanks 1st mate said….
Quote:
Beckman: (thwup)
Don't get full of yourselves, bandits...!!
If you wanna mess with us,
you better be hauling a battleship along.
A battle ship just to mess with them…would you not think a 8 million berri (or how big his bounty was) mountian highway man needs a battleship to battle Luffy? hell imo he would need it to even battle Bellamy.
also this is WAY before Yonkou shichibukai or any great power was established. which means its not an accurate gauge of power as Oda may have changed his mind.Quote:
Luffy: …Shanks?! How are Shanks and his crew?! Where are they?!
Garp: How ARE they…?!- Page 35 -
Garp: Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.
These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does,
are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!!
It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!
These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.
Garp just telling us who he is…..telling us about Present time Shanks there is no real distinguable timeline in that
Robin: …he has connections to the same "Red-hair"…?!
From the context i read it "same" as in "that red hair". doesnt mean that redhair is the same as he was back then.
Nami: Luffy says his straw hat was given to him to hold onto by that guy.
But I didn't realize he was that special.why did you even bring up Namis quote? all it proves is she doesnt have a clue about Shanks strenght or his title
and now Shanks is telling us that his scar did not come form Mihawk, but form a NO Name Pirate (Blackbeard) who scared a Emperor and it was not a cheap blow, or taken by suprise.
Blackbeard scarred an Emperor (Shanks)
Again we do not know WHEN BB scarred shanks
That means…
Blacbeard >>>> Ace
Because Blackbeard = > Shanks
An Emperor is 1 or 2 levels above Ace.
How did you come to that conclusion? that is a leap of faith conclusion imo.
Whitebeard recognized faces in battle he didn't know who the heck he was killing or fighting.
Whitebeard don't really know who Buggy is…. its because he didn't make a name for himself out side of Rogers ship like Shanks.
IMO he doesnt know who Buggy is because buggy hasnt been in the red line. if Buggy was close enough WB would probably know who he was.
Shanks got no fame for being on roger's ship as a simple cabin boy as The Great pirate Edward Newgate, tells us.
That shanks has been on Rogers Ship and that WB remeber shanks face amplified any fame he gained as a captain.
And to others he doesnt have to have been named on GDRs ship. the fact that he was a crew mate on the ledgendary pirate kings ship is enough to generate fame.
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what would be the fun in that? im bored so i can just as well share my point of view.
Mihawk > Shanks….you still high?uhm why did you quote me on that if you are talking to polygon and not even about whay was said in the quote?
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You misunderstood, I said that the info in the red data concerning him not losing strength with one arm is not stated. Also It is very obvious that Shanks has not lost any power from losing that arm. Chapter 434 shows us that.
Well, it is stated but as long as you agree with me… I just thought you would believe the opposite since OIP and psolaras do.
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you have jumped to one or more conclusions.
those things has not been explicitly stated. you have simply gotten that conclusion through deductive reasoning. however deductive reasoning does not allways provide the correct answer. (sherlock holmes once resoned that the owner of a hat had to be quite intelligent on the note that the hat was big. a big hat would mean a big head and a big brain which in sherlocks opinion would mean that the owner was intelligent. which is not allways the case)
It doesn't matter what happened, Best> not best
Or will you argue that too?
> Interperations that are up for debate
This depends on how you read the manga. should have an IMO attached to it at all times.
WTF?
Do you even know what you're saying?
How is it an opinion that you would need to be serious against the strongest?
> Pure speculation:
Fan fiction.
Im going to ask you ro reread the manga
specificly ch434 9-10 pages into the chapter.
He even mentions Buggy for crying out loud.
Superstar has already owned this part, but here's my answer too.
There's a difference between remembering a "that cabin boy" or "that guy with the big nose"
And
Saying "we were suprised when you came back with one arm"
One shows he doen't even know you and one shows they know you and are suprised to see you missing an arm.
Try again
Well, it is stated but as long as you agree with me… I just thought you would believe the opposite since OIP and psolaras do.
And don't misunderstand ronaldinho, I only go with the one arm makes him weaker because it shuts up certain members.
e.g they say mihawk only won cause shanks lost an arm, so I just agree as long as they acknowledge Mihawk>shanks
In my opinion it's impossible for him to be weaker because OP doesn't work like that. In OP the more time passes the stronger you get, end of.
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You're joking right?
Whitebeard would give a rats @$$ about some cabin boy, he had bigger things to worry about, LIKE GOL D ROGER!!
Whitebeard recognized facesin battle he didn't know who the heck he was killing or fighting.
Whitebeard don't really know who Buggy is…. its because he didn't make a name for himself out side of Rogers ship like Shanks.
WB remebered the faces of Shanks and Buggy.
Did he do this because he fought with them? in that case they should have been almost equal to WB already as aprentices as they seem to have survived the encounter with the worlds strongest man.
Or does he recognize them because he saw them fight others when he was fighting GDR? in that case he seems to give "a rats @$$" about other things (aprentices/cabinboys) even when fighting GDR.
how do we know WB isnt just crap with names and most people he can remeber is by faces? He doesnt refere to Shanks by name once. More often then not shanks is "that red hair".
and theres alot of focusing on the words the translators choose going on…
(think even i have did it =P)OiP: You need to take a step back and consider other possibilities. not everything is as clear as you directly assume it is. if one statement suggests something that something is not a fact. we can not be sure that Shanks is not equal to Mihawk, the only thing we are sure of is that Mihawk can handle a sword better then Shanks. You tend to stare yourself blind on some statements and consider your (and usually the most logial) conclusion to be fact.
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@Fire Fist:
This is the most retarded statement ever. Okay, if he ALWAYS had the title, that means before he was born, when he was two years old, etc. That's just stupid.
I meant while Shanks was dueling Mihawk,Mihawk had the title!!! That is why Shanks was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills for riviling Mihawk.
NO. Shanks = Mihawk.
Oh, and you just burned your hero, btw. You said he was formerly a great pirate. Now he's not. :-D
No, Shanks < Mihawk did you not see the Title under Mihawk's NAME???? No, I didn't say he was Formerly one of the Greatest, the Data book said that. It just shows how powerful Mihawk is, Fighting wise and as a PIRATE!!! You Shanks Fanboy!!!!!
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WB remebered the faces of Shanks and Buggy.
I remember hitlers face, that doesn't mean I know him
Did he do this because he fought with them? in that case they should have been almost equal to WB already as aprentices as they seem to have survived the encounter with the worlds strongest man.
You're going to lose credability with posts like this…...
Or does he recognize them because he saw them fight others when he was fighting GDR? in that case he seems to give "a rats @$$" about other things (aprentices/cabinboys) even when fighting GDR.
When I said that I meant know them properly, it's obvious even if I was on the ship fighting. I'm pretty sure I'd remember a guy with RED hair and some guy with a clown nose.
how do we know WB isnt just crap with names and most people he can remeber is by faces? He doesnt refere to Shanks by name once. More often then not shanks is "that red hair".
Very wishful thinking, there's no way for me to prove this right or wrong. It's like me saying zoro might have diabetes, you cannot prove me wrong.
and theres alot of focusing on the words the translators choose going on…
(think even i have did it =P)You can go with stephens scripts
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Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. It is directly proven. We've only seen Shanks weild a sword. Until we see more of Shanks, then it is more logical to assume that Mihawk is stronger.
However it's not fully proven as of yet. We have to see more of Shanks in battle.
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Just curious how many languages do you speak?
Enough of em
Now do you get what I'm saying about knowing someones face and knowing someone properly?
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have we got any indications that Shanks and Whitebeard has fought at all after becomeing Yonkou?
Yes, we have….
Shanks: Pardon.
I had to use a bit of intimidation… this being an enemy ship and all.If they have never fought why would this be an ememy ship?
there is a possibility that they havent because that would disrupt the balance of the three powers. so maybe Shanks was not scarred as a yonkou.
or were you saying he was scared = afraid? in that case i think that is an interperation since shanks asks whitebeard to leave Blackbeared alone (if he was frightened wouldnt he ask WB to send more people after him or go after him himself?). the way i see it he is not really scared of BB but does not want Ace to fight BB since he belives Ace can handle him.I ment gashed, cut 3 times in the eye, not scared, but scarred.
would you not think a 8 million berri (or how big his bounty was) mountian highway man needs a battleship to battle Luffy? hell imo he would need it to even battle Bellamy.
The thing is….ben said to mess with us, not battle.
also this is WAY before Yonkou shichibukai or any great power was established. which means its not an accurate gauge of power as Oda may have changed his mind.
What do you mean by Oda would change his mind, I think the powers where established a year or 2 after Rogers death which started the Pirate's Age.
telling us about Present time Shanks there is no real distinguable timeline in that
The thing is, Garp never said he "just became" or he is "now" Garp was telling us that he is an Emperor, Also Garp knows Shanks from back then and what not….
Garp: YOU'VE LET THAT INFERNAL REDHEAD SCRAMBLE YOUR BRAINS!!!
So if he hit the big time, Garp would tell Luffy that "Shanks is now a Emperor pirate." But grap never did.
From the context i read it "same" as in "that red hair". doesnt mean that redhair is the same as he was back then.
I don't understand? Robin says the same "Red hair" as if Shanks was an Emperor, and its shocking that Luffy knows such a man.
Robin: …he has connections to the same "Red-hair"...?!
Again we do not know WHEN BB scarred shanks
Shanks is telling us he got scarred when he was well in power.(emperor)
How did you come to that conclusion? that is a leap of faith conclusion imo.
Shanks telling Whitebeard that BB fought me, and was able to scar me, and asking Whitebeard to call Ace back.
and the fight proves me right about that because Blackbeard tossed ace around like a rag.
IMO he doesnt know who Buggy is because buggy hasnt been in the red line. if Buggy was close enough WB would probably know who he was.
and thats makin a name for your self outside of roger's ship, thats my point.
But Buggy is no where near Whitebeard, he is just like BB.That shanks has been on Rogers Ship and that WB remeber shanks face amplified any fame he gained as a captain.
He remeber's his face, that is all…......Shanks is famous for....
Whitebeard: It passed in the blink of eye, to me…
But plenty already speak of them as legends.
The days of the duels between you and Hawk-Eyes,
they are still fresh in my ears…Dueling and raviling Hawkeye's.
And to others he doesnt have to have been named on GDRs ship. the fact that he was a crew mate on the ledgendary pirate kings ship is enough to generate fame.
I see no fame in this quote…
Whitebeard: You've certainly made a name for yourself,
Since your days as a simple cabin boy…
On Gol D. Roger's ship…!!!Shanks made a name for himslef since his day as a simple cabin boy on Roger's Ship.
Plus Shanks don't look like the type of guy to run around the grand line saying "I was on roger's ship as a cabin boy, let's party."
uhm why did you quote me on that if you are talking to polygon and not even about whay was said in the quote?
????????????? HUH?
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Enough of em
Now do you get what I'm saying about knowing someones face and knowing someone properly?
I understand but i dont necissarily agree that WB only knew their face.
… enough of them? could you be more precise?
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I meant while Shanks was dueling Mihawk,Mihawk had the title!!! That is why Shanks was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills for riviling Mihawk.
You don't know that and can't prove the accuracy of that statement.
No, Shanks < Mihawk did you not see the Title under Mihawk's NAME???? No, I didn't say he was Formerly one of the Greatest, the Data book said that. It just shows how powerful Mihawk is, Fighting wise and as a PIRATE!!! You Shanks Fanboy!!!!!
No, I just think Mihawk AND Whitebeard is overrated.
And again, show me where it says Shanks EVER lost to Mihawk.
Btw, if there were previous Yonkou, anyone think that Zeff was the first Red-Hair?
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@Fire Fist:
You don't know that and can't prove the accuracy of that statement.
Yes we do, Shanks had world-class skills for riviling the BEST!!! Shanks failed and now it's Zoro's turn.
No, I just think Mihawk AND Whitebeard is overrated. And again, show me where it says Shanks EVER lost to Mihawk.
Whitebeard and Mihawk have Titles under them!!!! I don't see why they are overrated. Also, Mihawk has the title, Shanks doesn't if Shansk couldn't take it away from Mihawk too bad, Zoro's NEXT!!!
Bt
w, if there were previous Yonkou, anyone think that Zeff was the first Red-Hair?
Is that the same guy who was hyping up Mihawk???
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… enough of them? could you be more precise?
Wouldn't you lime to know
@FFA
No point questioning others when you've yet to prove my post wrong
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Yes we do, Shanks had world-class skills for riviling the BEST!!! Shanks failed and now it's Zoro's turn.
Show me where it says he failed. Or even cared about the title.
Whitebeard and Mihawk have Titles under them!!!!
Big whoop. Real greatest swordsmen could've been constipated or something and had to miss out on defending/gaining the title. I mean, what have we seen them do so far that someone else in One Piece hasn't done? Cutting up ships? Yeah, Ace took out 10 ships with one punch.
I don't see why they are overrated. Also, Mihawk has the title, Shanks doesn't if Shansk couldn't take it away from Mihawk too bad, Zoro's NEXT!!!
Whoever said that Shanks gave a rats ass about the title? Zoro and Sanji are rivals, does that mean Sanji wants to be the world's greatest swordsman?
Bt
Is that the same guy who was hyping up Mihawk???
Hyping up? He knew who he was, that's all.
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OiP: Yes i would. Because right now all i know is that English is your native language and if you consider English is "enough of em" i have learned a great deal about you.
What other languages do you speak fluently?
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@Fire Fist:
Show me where it says he failed. Or even cared about the title.
Cause Mihawk STILL has the title and Shanks failed to take it from him, It is Zoro's turn. You can see Shanks trying to redeem himself by quickly asking Mihawk for a match!
Big whoop. Real greatest swordsmen could've been constipated or something and had to miss out on defending/gaining the title. I mean, what have we seen them do so far that someone else in One Piece hasn't done? Cutting up ships? Yeah, Ace took out 10 ships with one punch.
Whitebeard TIED GOLD roger in a fight and Mihawk has World-class power along with Whitebeard. NO ONE else in OP can say they have these things.
Whoever said that Shanks gave a rats ass about the title? Zoro and Sanji are rivals, does that mean Sanji wants to be the world's greatest swordsman?
Shanks had duels with Mihawk for that very reason, other wise he would not have been Mihawk's RIVAL!!!! Think about it, or do I have to post the definition(S) of Rivals for you? And Heck to the NO, Zoro and
Sanji are NOT rivals, don't know where you got this from but put it back!!!!Hyping up? He knew who he was, that's all.
Zeff: That's right… The "Hawk-Eyed Man" is a famous master swordsman.
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Cause Mihawk STILL has the title and Shanks failed to take it from him, It is Zoro's turn. You can see Shanks trying to redeem himself by quickly asking Mihawk for a match!
We call the first part evading the question.
And no, you read way too much into comments. Shanks was joking.
Whitebeard TIED GOLD roger in a fight and Mihawk has World-class power along with Whitebeard. NO ONE else in OP can say they have these things.
You're trusting the word of a clown.
Shanks had duels with Mihawk for that very reason, other wise he would not have been Mihawk's RIVAL!!!! Think about it, or do I have to post the definition(S) of Rivals for you? And Heck to the NO, Zoro and
Sanji are NOT rivals, don't know where you got this from but put it back!!!!Show me where it says that's why they were rivals.
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OiP: Yes i would. Because right now all i know is that English is your native language and if you consider English is "enough of em" i have learned a great deal about you.
Well thinking I would say something like that tells me alot about you too
What other languages do you speak fluently?
I don't see why it's revelant, If you give me a good reason I might tell you.
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@Fire Fist:
We call the first part evading the question.
Guy trying to be the best must beat the best…...Mihawk is still the best.
And no, you read way too much into comments. Shanks was joking.
LOL, you will say anything, fine if he was joking that just make's Mihwk look stronger anyway, thanks.
You're trusting the word of a clown.
Better then the Shanks fanbase.
But really why would Buggy a pirate who was on Roger's ship, lie about Whitebeard and his captain Roger's?
Show me where it says that's why they were rivals.QUOTE]
Its in the Red Data Book, and go back a few page's I posted it many time's.
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Its relevance is to if i have to ask why stephens script is reliable to the word or just let it go.
it is alot easier to answer my question then start a debate about stephens skill. (which i can not comment about)
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Superstar just forget about FFA, he just recycles the same old garbage and ignores anything he cannot counter.
Its relevance is to if i have to ask why stephens script is reliable to the word or just let it go.
I knew it would be something like that, you wanted to try and show me up by saying jap isn't one of your languages.
Well since that won't work now I'll tell you, I speak fluent Italian and some spanish
And stephens scripts come highly reccomended, so theres no point trying to put them down
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No my intention was never ever to abuse any lack of knowledge in japaneese. that would just be stupid as it can be thrown back into my face.
what i wanted to know was if you knew about translations. because imo no translation from whatever language can be word for word and still keep its meaning. words that get translated are in most cases "roughly" the same and with multiple meanings it gets harder.
and the more different the grammar in the two languages the harder it is to translate meaning word by word. cultural differences also play in.metaphores, jokes and play on words are the hardest to translate of all. (play on words needs explanations)
that is why i think you should never focus on one word in a translation no matter how "reccomended" the translation is.
HOWEVER since you know multiple languages i dont need to have this discussion with you. thank you for finaly answering me. (im a bit dissapointed that you thought i would attack the fact that you did not speak japaneese though.)