They need to significantly overhaul Sonic 4 compared to the footage that has leaked. Honestly, atm I even have more hope for this game…
General Sonic the Hedgehog Thread (Now With Movie 3 & Knuckles)
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Everyone that worked on sonic games originally, and everyone at sonic team that was responsible for greats like Nights and Burning Rangers is long gone.
The company logo alone does not mean the same talent is working n the property. ANd the track record is undeniably bad for many years now.
Until Sega gives up and just officially gives Sonic over to Nintendo to do something with.
Its kind of the slow sad decay of Naruto. It was great once and you keep hoping and hoping for a return to quality, but…
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It's a bit different in that Naruto does have some hope, but Sonic has been out of it for longer. I speak as a Sonic fan too.
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@Friend:
It's a bit different in that Naruto does have some hope, but Sonic has been out of it for longer. I speak as a Sonic fan too.
Do I really have to say that Naruto will never be good again and its almost over in four different threads? Isn't just the Naruto thread enough?
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Say what you like but Kishi still has the final word. It might turn out fine, provided he cares about his lesser characters, and makes the Sasuke vs Naruto fight good.
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can we just get a thid season of the SatAM show with the same writing team that did season 2? thats all I really want out of Sonic at this point.
And no. Naruto will never be good again. Take it to another thread if yo actually want to discuss its potential merits.
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Alright fair enough, but back on topic I highly doubt Sonic can ever be as good as it was back in the days of the classic 4 Sonic games. I really enjoyed Sonic rush because it felt closer to the original games than most, but it still wasn't the same.
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Bad level design, bad physics, terrible "story"….yes, sonic rush wasn't the same.
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I'm talking about a pure game experience. NOT of story.
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Bad level design, bad physics
So level design and physics aren't the core of a "pure game experience" in a platformer?
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There. Now all the old complaints and annoyances and dissapointments are all in one place.
its just the same thread and cycle over and over again, may as well have it in one place instead of… geez. 37 seperate threads, some of them all of one post.
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I loved the game, for the platforming etc experience but I thin many games can be enjoyed on that level even if their story is awful.
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Sonic games shouldn't bother with a story. They don't fucking need it. Mario understands this. Generic goal. "Bowser kidnaps princess, go save her. Cross many gameplay filled areas to do it."
That's all you need. Anything else is just them wasting time and resources and slowing down the experience.
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robby, did you ever read this.
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The Sonic mythos is quite interesting, but I also read the webcomic, as in the unofficial continuation of the discontinued British Fleetway STC. The American STC wasn't that bad, good enough for me to buy at the time but it can't hold a candle to the original British version. I mean our super sonic looked wild and crazy, I liked that.
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The comic was a comic.
Yes fleetway sonic was very good, but it was trying to tell a story, whereas sega are supposedly in the games business.
It's all academic though, they tell a terrible story, and they make a terrible game, so they're not getting anything right.
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robby, did you ever read this.
That's awesome.
Miyamoto knows what he's doing. Dude hasn't made a single bad game, and every one he makes becomes the must have launch title of a system, and sets the new industry standard that everyone rips off for years afterward.
And he's been on top for like, 33 years.
Dude knows whats up. Listen to him you young idiot up and comers. You DON'T know better than him.
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@God:
“They always want to have these dramatic scenes where Princess Peach gets kidnapped, but I always tell them, no, it’s fine — Princess Peach likes cake, so you can just have them use cake as bait to kidnap Princess Peach, and that’s enough,” he laughed.
“Glutton” was the word in Japanese he used to describe Princess Peach.
“I was thinking they could have these big ships come in, and they’ve got these big chains all over them, and they drop a plate down with cake on it,” he said.
The best thing. .
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Miyamoto is a friggin genius. I mean Mario would have been enough but Zelda as well? Wish I had that kind of talent! He's sort of like the games version of Oda isn't he? Wacky ideas that work superbly well and a revolutionary in what he does.
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DONKEY KONG
Donkey Kong Jr.
Mario Bros.
SUPER MARIO BROS.
Super Mario Bros. Lost Levels (2)
LEGEND OF ZELDA
Kid Icarus
Doki Doki Panic (Mario 2 stateside)
Zelda 2
Mother
Super Mario 3
F-ZERO
Super Mario World
Pilot Wings
Zelda 3
Mario Kart
Mario Paint
Zelda: Link's Awakening
STAR FOX
Kirby's Adventure
Killer Instinct (Really?)
Mario World 2
Mario RPG
POKEMON
…damn. I was going to list everything to make a point. But I got tired. I'm still on the SNES era. Take that and add 3 or 5 more games to each of those franchises, plus about a dozen games no one has heard of. Hes even responsible for freaking Pikmin and Nintendogs for crying out loud.
Mario. Zelda. Mario Kart. Starfox. Pokemon. If he'd also done the first Metroid he'd be literally singlehandedly responsible for everything ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto
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@Friend:
Miyamoto is a friggin genius. I mean Mario would have been enough but Zelda as well? Wish I had that kind of talent! He's sort of like the games version of Oda isn't he? Wacky ideas that work superbly well and a revolutionary in what he does.
Nintendo also have a lot of people who just know what they're doing.
Sega used to have this too(to a lesser extent), up until the death of the dreamcast.
It's been downhill all the way since then.
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I know that but it helps them having a figurehead such as Miyamoto, I wonder where he ranks in the richest people in Japan, he must be pretty high up there. Especially since the games industry actually grew in the recession, or so I heard.
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@robbybedfart:
damn. I was going to list everything to make a point. But I got tired. I'm still on the SNES era. Take that and add 3 or 5 more games to each of those franchises, plus about a dozen games no one has heard of. Hes even responsible for freaking Nintendogs for crying out loud.
Mario. Zelda. Mario Kart. Starfox. Pokemon. If he'd also done Metroid he'd be literally singlehandedly responsible for everything ever.
The closest Sega have to this is Yu Suzuki.
But he got punished for the sales failure of shenmue and lost all his influence. This is fairly common in japan(hell, it happened to gunpei yokoi, a guy who was on the same level as miyamoto), but the fact that sega haven't brought him back with all of their current problems…is just indicitive of how many problems sega has right now.
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Oda? Miyamoto is the games equivalent of Tezuka.
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Yeah point taken. I meant of people alive though, but still I concede to your point. Oda is becoming more and more legendary though.
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Oda will be legendary in shonen, but that's only one sea in the manga world, let alone the comic world. He hasn't and probably won't ever be able to surpass the shadow of Toriyama's legacy. Unless maybe future shonen and manga in general take all their cues from him.
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@JERK:
Oda? Miyamoto is the games equivalent of Tezuka.
Pft. Just because Tezuka drew 150,000 pages and 700 volumes and created anime and manga as we know it and is considered the Japanese Walt Disney, that's no reason to put him on the same pedestal as Oda.
Godfather of anime and father of manga. Pshaw.
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I am a hardcore Toriyama fan, even so I do think Oda has the potential to be as influential as Tori some day. Well your last point is certainly possible.
Although I am not really a fan of Tezuka even though I respect him. Oda on the other hand well he is one of my Yonkou mangaka after all.
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Unless Oda does a whole mess of completely different styles of series after OP is over, he'll never escape Toriyama's shadow. Particularly since he himself is so adamant about bieng influenced and inspired by and loving Dragonball.
But he's already stated on many occassions that OP is his life's work and he doesn't intend to do anything lengthy after its done. So. Probably not.
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Surely now One Piece has outsold Dragonball though Oda will inspire the next generation.
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And convenience store hotdogs are the best selling food in the nation.
Doesn't make them the best.
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True, but you know, being a person who chooses to post on a One Piece forum how good the series it is.
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I wasn't speaking of quality or sales. Legacy is another status altogether, the most elusive and most impossible for newer things to overcome.
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@robbybedfart:
That's awesome.
Miyamoto knows what he's doing. Dude hasn't made a single bad game, and every one he makes becomes the must have launch title of a system, and sets the new industry standard that everyone rips off for years afterward.
And he's been on top for like, 33 years.
Dude knows whats up. Listen to him you young idiot up and comers. You DON'T know better than him.
Two words: Wii Music
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I thought this was the Sonic complaints thread, not the Oda and Shiggy kiss-ass vacuuming fest thread.
The man has worked on many amazing games, yes, but he's far from perfect,
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@robbybedfart:
can we just get a thid season of the SatAM show with the same writing team that did season 2? thats all I really want out of Sonic at this point.
And no. Naruto will never be good again. Take it to another thread if yo actually want to discuss its potential merits.
If you go to this link, its a Season 3 comic project currently underway. They do one page a week that is released on friday.
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Two words: Wii Music
Wii Music would have been a lot better if they included a Galactic Glockenspiel instrument like I hoped them to.
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@ZeArmyOfHalen:
The man has worked on many amazing games, yes, but he's far from perfect,
He is the best videogame developer out there since two decades, so ,,perfect" isn't too farfetched.
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@ZeArmyOfHalen:
I thought this was the Sonic complaints thread, not the Oda and Shiggy kiss-ass vacuuming fest thread.
The man has worked on many amazing games, yes, but he's far from perfect,
Please enlighten me. Name the man (or woman) who is better and more influential, and make mention of their resume.
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The only person who was as influential as Miyamoto was Gunpei Yokoi, but sadly he died thirteen years ago.
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Thing is, Miyamoto is not solely responsible for shaping the industry for the way it is. Yes, he is a talented man. However, that doesn't mean he's the only influential and talented man in the industry. Several big people, whether they're game developers or hardware developers have had a hand in shaping everything together.
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Let Miyamoto develop a pure Sonic game. (Not Olympics or racing or smash brothers)
Then we can judge which is stronger.
His awesome, or Sonic's fail.
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Zelda plus Mario at its best combined easily defeats Sonic at its worst. I don't even have to mention the list Robby provided above, that would be overkill. Gods I would love to see Miyamoto develop a Sonic game.
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Thing is, Miyamoto is not solely responsible for shaping the industry for the way it is. Yes, he is a talented man. However, that doesn't mean he's the only influential and talented man in the industry. Several big people, whether they're game developers or hardware developers have had a hand in shaping everything together.
I would say that without Miyamoto and Yokoi, the industry might have turned out entirely different, it may also have have taken a lot longer to recover. I'm not sure you can really say that about anyone else.
A lot of the things they did 20-30 years ago after the collapse of the first gaming boom still dictate how things are done today.
Anyway, back to how sonic games have been rubbish for ages and how we're not expecting a great deal out of any of the ones currently in development.
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@robbybedfart:
Let Miyamoto develop a pure Sonic game. (Not Olympics or racing or smash brothers)
Then we can judge which is stronger.
His awesome, or Sonic's fail.
There's a reason Sonic games fail, aside from bad development choices. The company itself tends to put strict time frames on certain games. Virtually every current gen Sonic game has been rushed to meet a deadline. Even NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams suffered because of it. The game was going to be on the 360 originally, but they decided to go with a Wii version. Rather than being allowed to take the time to convert what they had for the 360 in mind, they had to redo everything and go from a completely different direction for the game.
The fact that Sonic 4 was even pushed back to spruce up a few things shows that Sega's at least learning from their own mistakes. Especially if they gave the project to Dimps, rather than Sonic Team.
I would say that without Miyamoto and Yokoi, the industry might have turned out entirely different, it may also have have taken a lot longer to recover. I'm not sure you can really say that about anyone else.
A lot of the things they did 20-30 years ago after the collapse of the first gaming boom still dictate how things are done today.
Not just them, but folks like Lance Barr and Howard Lincoln had a hand in making sure the NES stood out and was marketed completely different from the way Atari handled things. Without them, the NES would have never taken off and Universal would have fraudulently sued them over Donkey Kong despite King Kong having been public domain.
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@ZeArmyOfHalen:
I thought this was the Sonic complaints thread, not the Oda and Shiggy kiss-ass vacuuming fest thread.
The man has worked on many amazing games, yes, but he's far from perfect,
He's untouchable. His mistakes are more innovative then some peoples entire lifework.
Not just them, but folks like Lance Barr and Howard Lincoln had a hand in making sure the NES stood out and was marketed completely different from the way Atari handled things.
Hmm, those don't sound like people marketing in Japan and elsewhere in the world.
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Not just them, but folks like Lance Barr and Howard Lincoln had a hand in making sure the NES stood out and was marketed completely different from the way Atari handled things. Without them, the NES would have never taken off and Universal would have fraudulently sued them over Donkey Kong despite King Kong having been public domain.
I'm really talking about people who have creatively shaped the industry(post the gaming crash of the eighties), otherwise I would have mentioned Minoru Arakawa, Hiroshi Yamauchi et all.
Yokoi & Miyamoto are the only people I can point at and say they have shaped the way developers, both software and hardware, think and changed the way the industry have moved so totally.
Even the Wii was a continuation of Yokoi principles.
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Sonic's glory days have long since passed.
Haven't seen anything that suggests he'll return to them this time or ever. So I don't really have the desire to get Sonic Colours or Sonic 4.
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