Naruto Mega-Discussion of Extreme Bloat II (May not contain any Naruto Discussion)
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Naruto can add wind to a normal rasengan like he did when they first arrived at the battle(he and yamato combined moves to make a typhoon or something.
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Yes, he can, bringing his attack list to Kage Bunshin, Mass Kage Bunshin, Kage Bunshin Kick Combo, Kage Bunshin Kick Combo 2, Rasengan, Big Rasengan, and Wind Rasengan.
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I know I'm repeating myself but Naruto could have been such an interesting character, if he learned that explosive clones technique, was somehow able to control Kyuubi's powers instead of being overwhelmed by it everytime he throws a fit, used more wind manipulation… stuff and kept that hotheaded manliness he had during most of part 1 without lamenting the loss of his butt buddy every two hours.
What a waste of potential
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Naruto is nothing but a manga of wasted potential.
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Agreed. Learning some Kyuubi stuff would be pretty cool, I also wish he would've retained some of his asshole pranksterness from the pilot.
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I know! Naruto was so much cooler back then. Now he's all "Omg I can't live without sasuke, my secret lover!" I mean seriously…......:wassat:
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Fighting one Internet craze with another.
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Ah, it's great being in a different time zone to everyone else.
It's not that weird considering that Orochimaru and Deidara are weaker then Itachi. Killing these guys are steps on a ladder, especially considering how much weaker Orochimaru was then Itachi. I mean, I've said how I don't like Deidara, but how is Sasuke beating him really a big deal?
I won't be surprised at Deidara's defeat (though personally I still don't want him to die). But another consecutive win for Sasuke - over his brother, his ultimate goal, in one arc and alone, would be extremely anticlimactic; at this point Itachi looks like one of the final bosses. Should Sasuke really achieve his purpose so easily, when Naruto, since the time skip has accomplished very little compared?
And, the "number one fan" thing was a little joke, can you blame me if it's easy to make fun of? I have seen the pages Taboo posted, I have not seen the interview about Naruto. So there you go.
If anything, things are only starting to look up for him since beating Orochimaru. Sasuke's life really does suck.
It does suck, but Sasuke doesn't deserve redemption here, it would do him a bit of good to recieve some smackdown before he gets ahead of himself.
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Naruto is yondaime's clone.
Like yamato.
I win.
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Naruto is yondaime's clone.
Like yamato.
I win.
Yamato is a clone of the first Hokage, right..? How did they clone him, anyway? I haven't read the earlier chapters of part 2.. Do they ever even explain it?
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**Deidara is gonna die. :sad:
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I know I'm repeating myself but Naruto could have been such an interesting character, if he learned that explosive clones technique, was somehow able to control Kyuubi's powers instead of being overwhelmed by it everytime he throws a fit, used more wind manipulation… stuff and kept that hotheaded manliness he had during most of part 1 without lamenting the loss of his butt buddy every two hours.
What a waste of potential [qimg]http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x37/AldricAPF/eusa_snooty.gif[/qimg]
he could be like Jin from YYH
only minus the accent and with more Ninja techniques
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@Mr.:
Yes, he can, bringing his attack list to Kage Bunshin, Mass Kage Bunshin, Kage Bunshin Kick Combo, Kage Bunshin Kick Combo 2, Rasengan, Big Rasengan, and Wind Rasengan.
That's more than ichigo and luffy have. Same with Goku, yusuke, Yoh and every other shounen main character.
Is this new that the main character gets like one thing and manipulate it into better things throughout the series? I don' think I can name a shounen series where the main character has a wide variety of special attacks. They usually get one thing and use that to the end., in different creative ways, or that power evolves as they get stronger.
and exploding kage bunshin isn't something naruto should have. Considering how many he can make, that would just be unfair and downright boring to watch(seeing him rush the enemy with 50 kamikaze narutos for the win.)
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But Naruto is a series in which there are literally thousands of different abilities that many people can learn. Whilst Bleach actually focuses on the use of one type of move per character, as they are limited to the abilities of their zanpakuto.
And Luffy has dozens of moves, some of which are pretty creative.
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Yamato is a clone of the first Hokage, right..? How did they clone him, anyway? I haven't read the earlier chapters of part 2.. Do they ever even explain it?
He himself is not a clone, I think it's just his wood manipulation bloodline.
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He's sort of a clone. Orochimaru made experiments with a bunch of kids, infusing them with the 1st Hokage's genes. Yamato was the only one who survived.
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Yeah i agree.
Where is Narutos hotheaded manliness,and the badass side which didnt show respect to anybody.When did he lost it. I think he lost it when Kishi lost it, and Kishi lost it completly.Now Naruto is the Mister Nice-Guy always smiling and sometimes crying about Sasuke.He became a so fucking Emo-Mature mutation that its boring watching him.
There were plenty of nice ideas the summoning technic,The Kyuubi power. why abandon it for the Super Sayajin elemental technics, without developing the rest to the fullest.
Why developing a new character as replacement for Sasuke and then completly ignoring him.I mean Sai sucks, but why the hell ignoring him complete.Why developing a replacement char when 2 arc later Sasuke is coming back.
Right now i think Naruto and Bleach are having the same disease, too many unneeded characters or too less chracter development for the side characters or both.
The Shikamaru arc was very good, but hey in the arcs before most of the time Shikamaru had a real good plan developed in seconds.
Now he doesnt need brain to win, a hole in the ground of his surprise family woods pwn Hidan in secs. Yeah he studied..he played a gambit.. sacrificing a pawn to get a better position.. and so on and son on..nice story idea… but come on.. a little more twist in this fight wouldnt have hurt, same goes for the Naruto fight in this arc.Naruto goes super Sayajin Rasengan twice and wins?I have never seen something more boring.Sasori had plenty of tricks in his hat one more deadly then the other.
But Hidan and kakuzu are having one or two strong moves and are pwned by onyl one strong move of the good guys.. Hell what a bullshit.Right now the series would be better named:
Emo-Mature Naruto and Emo-Sasuke fighting for love
(And in a few arcs you can see Shikamaru using his family woods/family Mariachi Band/family BBQ roaster to pwn Everyone including God/the Devil and the President)I dont think kishimoto has some plan, hes jumping through his story like a bouncing ball.
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@Mr.:
But Naruto is a series in which there are literally thousands of different abilities that many people can learn. Whilst Bleach actually focuses on the use of one type of move per character, as they are limited to the abilities of their zanpakuto.
And Luffy has dozens of moves, some of which are pretty creative.
I refuse to call named punches and kicks separate moves. Just like I'm not going to say sanji has 100's of techniques, when he really is just calling out targets as he kicks ass.
Gear 2nd was his first real technique imo.
and you could complain about ichigo never learning kidou moves.
but even in early dragonball, and yu yu hakusho which also had 100's of techniques, the main characters stuck with rei gun and kamehameha. I mean yusuke's teacher knew 100's of techniques, but yusuke still only stuck with reigun, and shot gun, and his one use of reikodan.
So I really wouldn't say naruto was wasted potential because it follows the shounen main character cliche that everything else in jump follows.
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I think it's that KAGE BUSHIN got really old as a gimmick very quickly.
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To some people I guess.
but him using it and manipulating it in different ways is no different than how luffy uses the gomu gomu no mi.
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Yeah, Kage definitely got old extremely fast considering he used it constantly, and each time, he used it the same way (with a few exceptions). Even worse, it seemed like the clones just stood there waiting to be defeated.
So much untapped potential with an ability like that. And possibly in the future, very broken.
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Yeah, Kage definitely got old extremely fast considering he used it constantly, and each time, he used it the same way (with a few exceptions). Even worse, it seemed like the clones just stood there waiting to be defeated.
So much untapped potential with an ability like that. And possibly in the future, very broken.
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You know.
It's really tedious to see every other post be something like "WELL GUYS LUFFY THE GUY FROM ONE PIECE THE SERIES THIS BOARD IS BASED ON
DOES SOMETHING SORT OF SIMILAR GUYS"and I guess the next reply is "WELL THIS IS WHAT THE THREAD'S ALWAYS BEEN"
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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"WELL THIS IS WHAT THE THREAD'S ALWAYS BEEN"
Hmmm.
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Dragonball was never about techniques, it was about beating the shit out of people before applying a big ass blast to end things.
YuYuHakusho wasn't either.
One Piece is about using your wierd curse to do all sorts of crazy shit, not techniques.Naruto is about techniques with a touch of strategy and trickery.
If Naruto is going to be hokage he should be well versed in jutsus and be able to at least do some rudimentary stuff with other types.
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Zephos my mind hurts reading your sig
and weren't the last 2 Hokages people who invented their own techniques to take Ninjas to the next level and the 4th was called the Professor because of just how many he had….
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but him using it and manipulating it in different ways is no different than how luffy uses the gomu gomu no mi.
I disagree. Gomu Gomu no mi is straight up punching, fighting at the very basic level. What else would you expect him to use for an opening move but his fists?
But Hidan and kakuzu are having one or two strong moves and are pwned by onyl one strong move of the good guys.. Hell what a bullshit.
Right now the series would be better named:
Emo-Mature Naruto and Emo-Sasuke fighting for love
this needed to be quoted simply because it was hilarious
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and weren't the last 2 Hokages people who invented their own techniques to take Ninjas to the next level and the 4th was called the Professor because of just how many he had….
The Third was called the Professor I think, in his fight with Orochimaru he used all kinds of different crap.
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right 3rd 4th been too long get them mixed up
Another one Bites the Dust
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=9143536#post9143536that was quite the awesome thread,
wait Zeph the manga that noone knew about that that guy(?) was talking about being more extreme than Berserk was about Dogs and Bears….........
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right 3rd 4th been too long get them mixed up
Another one Bites the Dust
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=9143536#post9143536that was quite the awesome thread,
wait Zeph the manga that noone knew about that that guy(?) was talking about being more extreme than Berserk was about Dogs and Bears….........
I think I've barely heard of Ginga Nagareboshi Gin. (the series with the fighting dogs) but barely. Heck, according to Wiki it was even a Jump series. (though the sequel series isn't)
Back on topic: what makes a technique a technique anyway? Luffy may basically have "throw rubber body at opponent" as his battle style, but he's able to use his body and his DF in many ways to demonstrate different attacks and abilities with something so simple. Yes, attacks such as "Gomu Gomu no Pistol", "Gomu Gomu no Axe" or "Gomu Gomu no Storm" may seem the same, but the way Luffy uses them, each one is slightly different even if all of them are essentially "Luffy throws attack with arms, legs and rubber powers".
Similarly, most of the Naruto characters outside a few have a base attack style which they end up using in different and creative ways. Yes, there are some that use multiple styles of jutsu and attacks, but most of them appear to be creative one-trick ponies like Naruto's Kage Bushin manipulation, Shikamaru's shadow manipulation, the Hyuuga Gentle Fist/Byakugan manipulation, etc.
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This conversation just got interesting, because I was discussing this with a friend of mine last week, and I'm glad that Zephos was able to put it into words. Everyone else in Naruto (save for the Hyuugas, whose techniques are all over the place) seem to have something of a theme to their styles. These styles have a lot of places they can go, but it seems that Kishimoto is burning out way too quickly trying to keep up with everything. It also appears that he doesn't know where to go next in terms of Naruto's techniques, so he keeps going with what he's familiar with, and that's a problem.
Once you can find a theme for a character, everything else will almost fall into place. The weak link that Naruto has is…he doesn't really have one. It can be argued that Luffy's style is just mostly punching and kicking, but hey, at least he's got something to go on. The world of Naruto has many things that are possible through jutsu, but we need to see that if that's what Kishimoto is trying to focus, especially with Naruto, if he's just going to be a grab bag of techniques.
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I think there are possibly two themes to Naruto's battle style…even if both are played out or not being used to their potential.
-Kage Bushin Manipulation: To tell the truth, only Naruto really had the massive chakra pool to even use this jutsu so often in the first place. And pretty much most of what he does, from pummling to Rasengan and Wind Manipulation, are all based on the usage of Naruto being a clone producer.
-The Fourth's Legacy: Yeah, I can't say whether or not there is a relationship to Naruto or the Fourth (even if there probably is), but he seems to find a way to learn or surpass all he has done. Toad summons, Rasengan and its wind deviants, even the Kyuubi locked inside because of him. Without the Fourth, Naruto really wouldn't have any of these. -
Right-o. Coming in for my monthly giggles, who has died and what hilarity has ensued?
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I disagree. Gomu Gomu no mi is straight up punching, fighting at the very basic level. What else would you expect him to use for an opening move but his fists?
Not always. Stuff like rifle, pinwheel, and other moves are him manipulating his rubber body to attack. Like RIfle is him using his rubber body to twist his arm and deliver the most powerful corkscrew ever.
It's really tedious to see every other post be something like "WELL GUYS LUFFY THE GUY FROM ONE PIECE THE SERIES THIS BOARD IS BASED ON
DOES SOMETHING SORT OF SIMILAR GUYS"I use one piece because everyone here has seen it, so I don't have to explain how it's similar.
The world of Naruto has many things that are possible through jutsu, but we need to see that if that's what Kishimoto is trying to focus, especially with Naruto, if he's just going to be a grab bag of techniques.
Yes, just like in yu yu and dragonball. but I mean who ever learns every technique in the world? I mean how many training scenes would that make?
what makes a technique a technique anyway? Luffy may basically have "throw rubber body at opponent" as his battle style, but he's able to use his body and his DF in many ways to demonstrate different attacks and abilities with something so simple. Yes, attacks such as "Gomu Gomu no Pistol", "Gomu Gomu no Axe" or "Gomu Gomu no Storm" may seem the same, but the way Luffy uses them, each one is slightly different even if all of them are essentially "Luffy throws attack with arms, legs and rubber powers".
I see luffy's moves as more of an improvisation in battle. Same with all the straw hats save for maybe nami and ussop. That is what I like about one piece. No training. Just improv in fights. Fights also tend to be more physical this way, and those are the ones I like the most.
Rasengan is a technique because naruto trained for it. YOu can't improv or copy a rasengan by looking at it, while Mr. Fantastic could probably copy all of luffy's moves.
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I see luffy's moves as more of an improvisation in battle. Same with all the straw hats save for maybe nami and ussop. That is what I like about one piece. No training. Just improv in fights. Fights also tend to be more physical this way, and those are the ones I like the most.
Rasengan is a technique because naruto trained for it. YOu can't improv or copy a rasengan by looking at it, while Mr. Fantastic could probably copy all of luffy's moves.
That's I guess what I was trying to say, but you said it better. While all of Luffy's attacks seem the same, the way he uses them makes them seem more dynamic and interesting than Luffy just throwing out the same rubber punch over and over.
As for the Mr. Fantastic comment…well other stretchers in fiction (well moreso Plastic Man but Reed does it too) use their abilities in more creative ways than Luffy. All Luffy wants to use it for is to help his brawling abilities.
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http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=9152233&postcount=9
:( its spreading
oh and this is for mangafan
from the current spoilers for the chapter
Next Chapter: The Death of sasuke??
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Ah, that not credible previews, yeah. However it would be cool. Is the spoiler confirmed?
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@Tokoro:
As for the Mr. Fantastic comment…well other stretchers in fiction (well moreso Plastic Man but Reed does it too) use their abilities in more creative ways than Luffy. All Luffy wants to use it for is to help his brawling abilities.
Luffy doesn't have the elasticity of Mr. Fantastic.
Mr. Fantastic can stretch a molecule thin, while Luffy can't even stretch his arm past a certain distance.
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@Cyringohn:
Luffy doesn't have the elasticity of Mr. Fantastic.
Mr. Fantastic can stretch a molecule thin, while Luffy can't even stretch his arm past a certain distance.
That's comic science for you. Reed Richards can molecularly control the elasticity of any part of his body at any time…while Luffy is mostly just like a human rubber band.
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Well Mr. Fantastic isn't rubber like Luffy so while he can do some of Luffy's techniques, he cannot perform some of the ones that require Luffy's special brand of elasticity .
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Mr. Fantastic is superior to Luffy in every way possible.
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Back on topic (look, I know that Reed is better than Luffy), a new spoiler image has come out:
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Deidara's going to eat Sasuke.
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That'll make a pretty big nuke if it's real.
Now that I think about it… I may very well be a Deidara fan.
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I can honestly say I wasn't expecting Dei Dei to do that. Have to see how this plays out. Seems neat so far. And if Naruto and co. don't see this, then something is just wrong.
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Alright, after seeing that, I read the Deidara fight (so far) out of curiosity. And I'll admit, I kind of like it so far.
 