i dont even know why people would want and r3 im all up for a reinterpretation or a story from a different time period but lelouche story is over it ended briliantly and having lelouch live would ruin that
Code Geass
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Lelouch died for nothing because the entire plot conspired against him. It was not a great ending at all because it banked on people suspending disbelief that people can be so stupid. For the skeptical, everything ended too unbelievably, though it wasn't OOC.
The only thing the ending justice to was rekindling Suzaku and Lelouch's friendship. Pity that the story was never about Suzaku or their friendship to start with, that was always a second to the greater matters of Geass and Lelouch's ideal.
I have no problem with Sunrise bringing him back, and welcome it. People who say otherwise are the same ilk who bemoan the existence of 4Kids dubs of anime - if one doesn't want to accept Sunrise doing this, don't watch the show.
However, I don't believe this is R3 for a mile.
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Lelouch died for nothing because the entire plot conspired against him. It was not a great ending at all because it banked on people suspending disbelief that people can be so stupid. For the skeptical, everything ended too unbelievably, though it wasn't OOC.
The only thing the ending justice to was rekindling Suzaku and Lelouch's friendship. Pity that the story was never about Suzaku or their friendship to start with, that was always a second to the greater matters of Geass and Lelouch's ideal.
I have no problem with Sunrise bringing him back, and welcome it. People who say otherwise are the same ilk who bemoan the existence of 4Kids dubs of anime - if one doesn't want to accept Sunrise doing this, don't watch the show.
However, I don't believe this is R3 for a mile.
You know, I used to really like Code Geass (part 1 is still pretty good) but now I pretty much see it as overrated tripe (especially R2).
As for them bringing back Lelouch, I'd actually be against it if only because the plot would simply continue to torture him
But from what I've this new series is apparently going to take place during the first season and focus on entirely different characters in the EU.
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Best way to bring back Lelouch is to bring him in the far future, where there aren't any connections to R2 save the Geass and C.C., and have him start a new life.
The big problematic theme with him in Geass and R2 was he was really stuck on the past. His idyllic childhood with his mother's murder and his exile sandwiched in-between. He never got to live out any of the lives he created as an adult (Lamperouge, Zero, Emperor) because he was too involved with resolving or resurrecting the past. So if that past is cut away, Lelouch is free to create a new life in the time-period he's brought to…and live it out.
Geass' history was never explained. Lelouch is likely the greatest of the Geass users in history, given how much he accomplished with it. This gives him a desirable legend future generations might look toward to harness.
I think Geass in Space would also work because it would allow complete scrapping of most of the Knightmares, since only Sutherland Sieg was really space-worthy, and not for deep space, just shallow stratosphere navigation.
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Technically Lelouch shouldn't have died since he gained Charles' Code after killing him (and people with Code's are immortal)… so... yeah... it's not really bringing him back from the dead, it's more like using canon information and using it to continue the horribly executed second half of the story.
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Er, when did he get Charles' code?! Pretty sure he just had Charles erased when he Geassed "God." Never any mention of gaining his code.
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Codes can be given and taken. If a transfer happened, it occurred when Charles grabbed Lelouch's face with his code-branded hand. As infantile as Charles got, he should have been able to figure out Lelouch would have tried to die for his ideal, and that would have been the best way to screw up his plans.
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thanks for moving the info i posted to this thread. i couldent find this thread when i searched for it.
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by the way people adult swim were freaking stupid for getting rid of code gease and i dont say that often. i mean death note is kinda understandable but code gease? NO WAY!
People check this AWSOME anime out! It may not be as good as one piece but its still pretty awsome non the less!
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@Tamaki:
by the way people adult swim were freaking stupid for getting rid of code gease and i dont say that often. i mean death note is kinda understandable but code gease? NO WAY!
Death Note may have gone way downhill in the second half, but, overall, it's still leagues better than Code Geass.
Also, if I recall correctly, they gave it a pretty fair chance. They moved it the 5:00 AM death slot and then eventually took it off because it was getting pretty bad ratings.
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Death Note may have gone way downhill in the second half, but, overall, it's still leagues better than Code Geass.
Also, if I recall correctly, they gave it a pretty fair chance. They moved it the 5:00 AM death slot and then eventually took it off because it was getting pretty bad ratings.
how is that a fair chance? are you being sarcarastic?
People check this AWSOME anime out! It may not be as good as one piece but its still pretty awsome non the less!
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But Code Geass finished it's run last year.
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@Tamaki:
how is that a fair chance? are you being sarcarastic?
Okay, fine, tell me how Code Geass wasn't given a fair chance.
From my recollection, it was in the same lineup as most other anime (12:00 or 12:30) and it was moved to 5:00 because it got bad ratings.
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Okay, fine, tell me how Code Geass wasn't given a fair chance.
From my recollection, it was in the same lineup as most other anime (12:00 or 12:30) and it was moved to 5:00 because it got bad ratings.
it started off at 5:00 in the morning for ALL of the first season and then was moved to 2:30 becuase bandai found out about the horrible time slot and made adult swim change it.
People check this AWSOME anime out! It may not be as good as one piece but its still pretty awsome non the less!
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@Tamaki:
it started off at 5:00 in the morning for ALL of the first season and then was moved to 2:30 becuase bandai found out about the horrible time slot and made adult swim change it.
Do you have a source for that? I'm having a little difficulty tracking down the timeslot and broadcast history, but animenewsnetwork states that the first season originally aired at 1:00. To my recollection, it was that way for about 18 episodes (so it did get a fair chance) and then it got moved to the graveyard shift, presumably because of bad ratings.
And I'm pretty sure R2 had a reasonable timeslot throughout its run.
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Yeah, I remember Geass being on at 12:00 AM or 1:00 AM. I don't stay up to 5:00 for TV anime, I usually turn that off at 2:00 AM latest.
@Tamaki:
becuase bandai found out about the horrible time slot and made adult swim change it.
Bandai apparently also paid [adult swim] to air it, which is the opposite of what usually happens. This is undoubtedly because of the massive stupid fanservice in it, but the fact that Geass was so unpopular [adult swim] had to move it should say something about its appeal to mainstreamers.
Let's face it, Geass was an online anime nerd + weeaboo's little prince. The whole pleasure of watching it came from talking about it online. If I were by myself, casually watching its bad dub on TV, I'd find it nonsensical and retarded. Even if I saw it week-by-week, and heaven forbid missing an episode and completely losing since of chronology.
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I liked Code Geass, great plot twists and such one of my favorite animes, but I'm guessing most people here hate it since Arlong Park seems to hate anything successful besides One Piece, although that is part of it's charm
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I liked Code Geass, great plot twists and such one of my favorite animes, but I'm guessing most people here hate it since Arlong Park seems to hate anything successful besides One Piece, although that is part of it's charm
Yeah, funny how those plot twists usually made absolutely no sense and were resolved within the next episode.
Oh, and we at AP do not hate on things simply because they are successful. We only hate on things that are successful despite them being utter garbage (Naruto, Bleach, Avatar, etc.) Code Geass was successful because it was a formula. It took elements from pretty much every appealing anime trope out there as well as borrowed (stole) from some recent successful animes (Death Note). Not only was a giant clusterfuck of borrowed concepts, but they completely missed the point of every single one of them.
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AP hates things intelligently. It's never a case of blind fanboy hate, usually the fanboys are the uneducated ones who relentlessly defend their bread and butter.
I remember Malcom complained about me complaining about Geass in this very topic because it led him to notice things he "hadn't thought about before". I think he much enjoyed the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge far more than the Tree of Life in the end though…
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I hate when AP makes me see things as bad.
And this thread did just that.
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I hate when I make a mistake and don't notice it at first.
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Guys, you are way too critical towards series, why does it even have to make sense? Gurren Lagann was awesome because it was so insane and ridicilous…but we loved it and it was fun to watch.
Seriosly Code geass has tons of flaws but its still entertaining to watch and had intresting plot (second half of R2 was shit though) and few intresting plot twists.
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Criticism makes you lust for better anime, but when you find said anime you find yourself completely and utterly satisfied. Most of the topics I post in these days, when they're not mainstream garbage, are because they're good.
That's a major dilemma I'm suffering from. So many people on AP settle for middling, mediocre shows, if I don't watch them I can't relate to anyone anymore and find myself unable to discuss things. The people who develop taste for the better stuff leave because there's so few people here who can respect that taste.
Look at what happened to Majek. igalsfy. Kei. Taleran. Advent`. All tasteful guys who've gone on to forums who can appreciate them. It's gotten better with robby, TLC and Chopper hanging around but boy oh boy do I miss the old days.
Please tell me you won't join them IceBorg. :ninja:
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I read and like series that are also hated by people of this forum.
And I only post on threads on mangas that I really like or really hate, I won't post on those mediocre series that, I think, aren't worth discussing.
I just don't post on the One Piece threads that much because there is too much confusion there.
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I read and like series that are also hated by people of this forum.
I just did a scan of your post history, and the topics in Other Manga/Anime you're most active in are the most popular anime/manga around - Bleach, Naruto, Reborn and Bakuman.
That completely sabotages your claims. It makes me think you're not someone who's "seen all anime has to offer" like Jonas or stephen, but a stubborn guy who refuses to try anything beyond shounen. Those are the kind of people this forum hates, and complaining about being hated, when your favourites list screams that you made no effort to understand why, suggests you have more in common with NarutoFan than Arlong Park.
Sure you might hate some of those series, but you're reading them and talking about them. If something bad like Naruto is worth discussing, what can be said about what you don't talk about? Who the heck knows what you're watching if you don't say? Even I will comment on something I've seen, if only to call it mediocre.
I call 'em as I see 'em, no regrets and no restraint.
I just don't post on the One Piece threads that much because there is too much confusion there.
This forum is too large for OP discussion anymore, and what's being discussed isn't important anyway. There hasn't been any groundbreaking theories since Chillingfurst's Lunar Theory many years ago, because the mean intelligence of the Manga forum has plummeted. This is why JERK DISEASE has so many easy targets and why a lot of the older posters eschew what was once home sweet home.
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Huh I have read a bit of Seinen and one or two Shoujos, and I like the fan-service series like To Love-ru that this forum seems to hate and Reborn is a series the people here also seen to hate a bit, yes i prefer the predictable Shounen mangas but I also read like Seinens mangas.
Berserk, Claymore, Change 123, Steel Ball Run, Gantz, 20th Century Boys, Monster, Pluto, Billy Bat, Narutaru, Bokurano, Battle Royale and Elfen Lied.
All Seinens that I beem reading or have finishing reading.
Im looking for more since I haven't read that much compared to Shounen.
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Huh I have read a bit of Seinen and one or two Shoujos, and I like the fan-service series like To Love-ru that this forum seems to hate and Reborn is a series the people here also seen to hate a bit, yes i prefer the predictable Shounen mangas but I also read like Seinens mangas.
Berserk, Claymore, Change 123, Steel Ball Run, Gantz, 20th Century Boys, Monster, Pluto, Billy Bat, Narutaru, Bokurano, Battle Royale and Elfen Lied.
All Seinens that I beem reading or have finishing reading.
Im looking for more since I haven't read that much compared to Shounen.
You're a manga guy, right? It's not my specialty but try Midori no Hibi and see how that runs for you. Another possibility is a manga I didn't like, but was well liked by fanservice buffs - My Balls. I'm not a fanservice guy, but Negima! has a lot of it, and once you get past the early stuff it's a pretty fun RPG parody series.
TLR isn't liked because it's fairly generic as far as fanservice goes. It's a remake of Urusei Yatsura, Rumiko Takahashi's manga that sort of pioneered that kind of love triangle, cute alien princess style. Except the main guy isn't spineless and indecisive like Rito is, he's just an indiscriminate pervert who's generally insensitive rather than oblivious. But he changes, while Rito was structured in a way so he never would.
Spineless, unaccomplished high school males tend to be the norm for modern poorly written stuff. It's because the typical Japanese guy can imagine himself in his place, or feel envious because of that guy's good luck.
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Spineless, unaccomplished high school males tend to be the norm for modern poorly written stuff. It's because the typical Japanese guy can imagine himself in his place, or feel envious because of that guy's good luck.
Makes me remember Ghost Sweeper Mikami. Yokoshima still manages to be hilarious, although GSM isn't exactly modern.
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Heh the only fan-service series I really liked all the way was Ichigo 100% and I's.
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Well I read everything from Monster/Homonculus to Bleach/Reborn and I usually read diffrent series from diffrent viewpoints, when I read series like Bleach I usually turn my brains off and just let it flow, but when I read series such as Monster or Liar Game I take my time with each chapter and enjoy complex plot and events with care.
I really liked Code Geass,it was fun and it was intense, also I really liked Lelouch as a charecter though he could been done better and I hated how everything went magically wrong for him everytime.
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Do you have a source for that? I'm having a little difficulty tracking down the timeslot and broadcast history, but animenewsnetwork states that the first season originally aired at 1:00. To my recollection, it was that way for about 18 episodes (so it did get a fair chance) and then it got moved to the graveyard shift, presumably because of bad ratings.
And I'm pretty sure R2 had a reasonable timeslot throughout its run.
R2 had a semi decent time slot for its run but lots of people hate R2 and the ones that havent seen the first season wouldent even know what the heck is going on in the second season.
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One of the best animes I've ever watched.
Lelouch is my all time favorite character.
He was a villain,anti-hero and hero.
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I just watched this anime completely… I started three days ago and watched all 50 espisodes I couldn't stop. I cried twice. It's simply the greatest anime I've ever seen. (I've seen a lot of the seminal greats too) Obviously this anime has a lot of influence from animes like NGE, SEED, etc. but based on pure entertainment, it's my favorite of all. SOmething this anime does that I think is amazing, is showing the protagonist lose and get utterly defeated, and literally having no solution at all, being reduced to a tiny man in a mech very often. Loved that facet of the series. That is all. Also, would this be a place to discuss the Akito OVA?
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Really great anime. I loved how lulu was portrayed. With his dark and bright sides. I loved how women were portrayed. For example Cornellia. And pacing, how fast it changed and how much did it surprise me. I watched it last year. And still in the first third favourite animes. Though there were things I didn't understand quite well but forgot them.
since thread got bumped, thought I'd post…
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I just watched this anime completely… I started three days ago and watched all 50 espisodes I couldn't stop. I cried twice. It's simply the greatest anime I've ever seen. (I've seen a lot of the seminal greats too) Obviously this anime has a lot of influence from animes like NGE, SEED, etc. but based on pure entertainment, it's my favorite of all. SOmething this anime does that I think is amazing, is showing the protagonist lose and get utterly defeated, and literally having no solution at all, being reduced to a tiny man in a mech very often. Loved that facet of the series. That is all. Also, would this be a place to discuss the Akito OVA?
I watched the whole series in 3 days around… March 2013, and it was the most incredible ride ever. And sure, Akito should be discussed here.
! OMG it's Lelouch… I mean Julius Kingsley. But we all know it's a brainwashed Lelouch between seasons 1 and 2.
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I watched the whole series in 3 days around… March 2013, and it was the most incredible ride ever. And sure, Akito should be discussed here.
! OMG it's Lelouch… I mean Julius Kingsley. But we all know it's a brainwashed Lelouch between seasons 1 and 2.
Does episode 2 exist with english sub yet?
"He stumbled on the last step, but he got up at once. 'He even took care to brush off the dirt that was stuck to his guts,' my Aunt Wene told me. Then he went into his house through the back door that had been open since six and fell on his face in the kitchen."
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Does episode 2 exist with english sub yet?
The whole series is subbed.
! http://kissanime.com/Anime/Code-Geass-Lelouch-of-the-Rebellion
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Does episode 2 exist with english sub yet?
You can find Akito the Exiled here
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As for the series itself, I found there to be a lul during the second season conscerning the whole Geass Order thing. The whole mini arc came out of nowhere and wasn't done coherently. We still don't know how it started, and that whole Ragnarok Connection thing was pretty out there.
My only qualm for the series as a whole is that Lelouch shouldn't have technically died based on the Geass lore in the story. If one has both the double eye Geass and a Code (hence, Code: Geass) then they should be immortal. Lelouch awakened the double Geass and then got his Father's code when he killed him (a person with a code can only die when someone else takes their code, which was CC's plan for death by Lelouch aka her "greatest wish"). Moreover, a trait of an immortal is that people can see their memories when touched physically (Lelouch did this to CC, Suzaku did this to VV, and Nunally did this to Lelouch at the end). However, in spite of this, the writers and directors state Lelouch is unequivocally dead. That being said, it's bull shit because they retconned the magical powers the entire series was based around; CC survives literally everything while Lelouch dies to a plot point. It's like Tolkien adding that Sauron was still alive even after Frodo destroyed the One Ring, because by then his evilness had become one with Middle Earth and he had become a God of sorts.
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You can find Akito the Exiled here
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As for the series itself, I found there to be a lul during the second season conscerning the whole Geass Order thing. The whole mini arc came out of nowhere and wasn't done coherently. We still don't know how it started, and that whole Ragnarok Connection thing was pretty out there.
My only qualm for the series as a whole is that Lelouch shouldn't have technically died based on the Geass lore in the story. If one has both the double eye Geass and a Code (hence, Code: Geass) then they should be immortal. Lelouch awakened the double Geass and then got his Father's code when he killed him (a person with a code can only die when someone else takes their code, which was CC's plan for death by Lelouch aka her "greatest wish"). Moreover, a trait of an immortal is that people can see their memories when touched physically (Lelouch did this to CC, Suzaku did this to VV, and Nunally did this to Lelouch at the end). However, in spite of this, the writers and directors state Lelouch is unequivocally dead. That being said, it's bull shit because they retconned the magical powers the entire series was based around; CC survives literally everything while Lelouch dies to a plot point. It's like Tolkien adding that Sauron was still alive even after Frodo destroyed the One Ring, because by then his evilness had become one with Middle Earth and he had become a God of sorts.
I think what actually happened, is that Lelouch got a hold of his Mom's geass rather than his Dad's. This is why he is able to talk to CC at the end, just as CC talked to Lelouch's mom. Therefore Lelouch could have stayed immortal, but he instead left his body and is in someone else's at the end of the series. I make this point because it seems like CC might just be talking to her imagination when she talks to Lelouch's mom, but she is the ONLY person she ever talked to until Lelouch. She never talked to any of the other people she gave the Geass too. This seems like a good theory but could just be an assumption based on the little background that CC is given.
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Lelouch is just as dead as Sabo.
! hint: he's not.
But for the sake of the story, he is considered as dead.
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I think what actually happened, is that Lelouch got a hold of his Mom's geass rather than his Dad's. This is why he is able to talk to CC at the end, just as CC talked to Lelouch's mom. Therefore Lelouch could have stayed immortal, but he instead left his body and is in someone else's at the end of the series. I make this point because it seems like CC might just be talking to her imagination when she talks to Lelouch's mom, but she is the ONLY person she ever talked to until Lelouch. She never talked to any of the other people she gave the Geass too. This seems like a good theory but could just be an assumption based on the little background that CC is given.
No, Charles' Code was transferred to Lelouch just before the former died. You can have two Codes (as was Charles' plan for the whole Ragnarok Connection thing), but you can't have two different Geass abilities; there's never even been mention of transferring Geass abilities from one person to another upon death. Also, since Lelouch's Geass took over both eyes, a new Geass would have no place to manifest itself.
@infinite:Lelouch is just as dead as Sabo.
! hint: he's not.
But for the sake of the story, his is considered as dead.
The writers and director said he's unequivocally dead. They said he died for the sake of the new world as repentance for his own crimes.
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My interpretation has always been that Lelouch never received the Code from Charles. Charles and Marianne because the God/Will of the Universe thing turned against them and overrode Charles' immortality, as I'm sure such beings are able to do. Also, I think people with Codes cease being able to use Geass.
As for Nunnally "reading Lelouch's mind", I admit you could make a strong argument here with how it ties into previous Code mind-reading, but I always took it to be some kind of generic moment of clarity, where she understood everything just because. And, I dunno, there may have been some Geass thing involved.
R2 was a smorgasboard of ridiculous crap anyway.
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My interpretation has always been that Lelouch never received the Code from Charles. Charles and Marianne because the God/Will of the Universe thing turned against them and overrode Charles' immortality, as I'm sure such beings are able to do. Also, I think people with Codes cease being able to use Geass.
As for Nunnally "reading Lelouch's mind", I admit you could make a strong argument here with how it ties into previous Code mind-reading, but I always took it to be some kind of generic moment of clarity, where she understood everything just because. And, I dunno, there may have been some Geass thing involved.
R2 was a smorgasboard of ridiculous crap anyway.
I agree with this 100%.
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So finally the released the subbed version of Akito the exiled #3
http://kissanime.com/Anime/Code-Geass-Akito-the-Exiled-3
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I still didn't get it what CC wanted in the end.
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Pizza hut pizza, a lot of it
