Chapter 511 "Sentoumaru and his Broadaxe" Discussion

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sabret00the

Fishman arc will be when Zoro steps up to hold the crew dreams with Luffy on his shoulders
Sanji may also do the same

but Zoro n luffy will get the major power ups in Fishman island

I do agree that Zoro will get a major power up soon, but i don't think it will be part of the main storyline on fishman island, i believe it'll be a side story, i believe that Sanji and Luffy will have major powerups as part of the main storyline.

Miracles

@sabret00the:

Zoro will sit Fishman Island out for reasons of recovery time.

Zkaiser

So now do people want to see it. The pacifistas are clones of Kuma. To deny that would be retarded. Also Oda's reading Arlong Park! XD He made Sento stop people from speculating if he had a df or not. Oda beat the noobs to the punch!
And Kizaru was kicking, I saw speed lines.

KzTxL7

I can actually agree with Miracles on that.

Captain Brooke

To think we're going through all of this…....if Camie would have just have stayed her ass out the damn amusement park.......we wouldn't be going through this.......SMH, anyway, the SH are truly going through hell right now, they can't even catch a break to get themselves back together!:sad:

Anyway, excellent chapter.....Rayleigh was able to kick Kizaru (am I the only that's finding him just rolling up on people and kicking them annoying?, not from a what is Oda doing point of view, but from the manga point of view) anyway, hope Rayliegh busts his ass (not gonna happen), but I can wish, BWAHAHAHAHA cough, yeah, next chapter is gonna be GREATTTTTTTTT!:happy:

Oh, forgot to mention the art this chapter was CRAZY, Oda's work is getting better and better!

@sabret00the:

It said it in the spoiler thread but i'll say it again; Zoro will sit Fishman Island out for reasons of recovery time.

We must be reading different mangas!

Makeemum

@Shaman:

that may be ussop but not the rest f the crew. all im saying is not to quickly assume anything thats why i dont pay attention to the whole tier thing cause its not really absolute.

All things are an assumptions if it's not from the authors mouth, even though it's Fan made I respect the observation it took to come up with this Tier System, we'll taking about hundreds of members taking feats, battles, and other stuff from over 500 Chapters of references. I personally think that the difference in Combat ability is pretty clear.

Well anyways I like how Franky mention on the fact about how the human host could look just like the real Kuma, since they we're confirm to be cyborgs many of us was asking how the human components on all the pasifistas could look just like Kuma, now were gonna get an answer

Ken-Oh

@sabret00the:

I do agree that Zoro will get a major power up soon, but i don't think it will be part of the main storyline on fishman island, i believe it'll be a side story, i believe that Sanji and Luffy will have major powerups as part of the main storyline.

A side story!?

What you've smoked?

SeriusReader

@Ken-Oh:

A side story!?

What you've smoked?

It's one of main place's in GL/NW… and my option to Drakes powers... it's was freaking pimpsmash what strikes Kumabot down before wild Kizaru appears. God this arc is rocking, more drama for ya mama.

Shaman monk

@Makeemum:

All things are an assumptions if it's not from the authors mouth, even though it's Fan made I respect the observation it took to come up with this Tier System, we'll taking about hundreds of members taking feats, battles, and other stuff from over 500 Chapters of references. I personally think that the difference in Combat ability is pretty clear

i guess im the only one who doesn't follow the tier system but remember its fan made and i know you disagree and i respect that . i just don't believe its something to be taken absolute, but i guess I'm always the one sticking out from the crowd (the bad way i guess instead of the good)

HEATXZ

Great chapter,I like the part when Rayleigh stop Kizaru's kick

Ryuksgelus

Its possible the Pacifista's are in fact Kuma "clones" of Kuma. Since they basically live in the 14-1600s with modern clothing even the idea of cloning something wouldn't cross anyone's mind.

People having been trying to make lasers for at thousands of years though which explains how Chopper&Luffy know what a beam is.

DiableShoot

Really enjoyed how the three groups were formed and it wasnt just random pairings of three. Sanji yelling at Franky was pretty funny ^_^

sabret00the

The fact that people think Zoro fighting is a given on Fishman Island makes it perfect for him to miss. You guys are forgetting the training that Luffy went through so his mind and body could handle the attacks he created. Zoro is dealing with the damage Luffy would normally fix with his gomu-gomu powers and meat. If Zoro could battle properly given a months recovery time i'd be surprised, him recovering in half a week seems impossible to me and incredibly Naruto/Bleach-ish.

bepo

does it look like santoumaru has wings?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/14/

Neomaster121

@sabret00the:

The fact that people think Zoro fighting is a given on Fishman Island makes it perfect for him to miss. You guys are forgetting the training that Luffy went through so his mind and body could handle the attacks he created. Zoro is dealing with the damage Luffy would normally fix with his gomu-gomu powers and meat. If Zoro could battle properly given a months recovery time i'd be surprised, him recovering in half a week seems impossible to me and incredibly Naruto/Bleach-ish.

its just
the last time zoro was side lined was whisky peak
think about it
Zoro mihawk soon after that fishmen

now zoro kuma
SA before fishmen island

this arc is For Zoro n Luffy main
Allso i just realise something
Fishman island is underwater
high pressure affecting a badly condtioned Zoro
but more importantly being under water wouldn't that affect luffys powers
even if its not direct contact with water but the high concentration of the water minerals under water just effecting luffy

that would give oda a great chance to develop luffy without powers then when the resurface n gain their devil fruit powers Luffy becomes stronger,

Chopper becomes a reindeer throught the arc
Brookes stays alive since the effect of the fruit is gone n techniqually he should be able to re eat a fruit
Luffy loose rubber body has to fight without gears
robin looses her power

Boicote

@Zkaiser:

So now do people want to see it. The pacifistas are clones of Kuma. To deny that would be retarded. Also Oda's reading Arlong Park! XD He made Sento stop people from speculating if he had a df or not. Oda beat the noobs to the punch!
And Kizaru was kicking, I saw speed lines.

His legs were down then up, i think hewas going to kick, he did this many times, but maybe he wasnt moving his leg at the speed of light

animegirl_117

@bepo:

does it look like santoumaru has wings?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/14/

Isn't that just part of his get-up? :wassat:

sabret00the

@Neomaster121:

its just
the last time zoro was side lined was whisky peak
think about it
Zoro mihawk soon after that fishmen

now zoro kuma
SA before fishmen island

this arc is For Zoro n Luffy main
Allso i just realise something
Fishman island is underwater
high pressure affecting a badly condtioned Zoro
but more importantly being under water wouldn't that affect luffys powers
even if its not direct contact with water but the high concentration of the water minerals under water just effecting luffy

that would give oda a great chance to develop luffy without powers then when the resurface n gain their devil fruit powers Luffy becomes stronger,

Chopper becomes a reindeer throught the arc
Brookes stays alive since the effect of the fruit is gone n techniqually he should be able to re eat a fruit
Luffy loose rubber body has to fight without gears
robin looses her power

the only thing that says this or the upcoming arc are for luffy and zoro as main characters is fanboyism. when kidd needed saving at the auction, the main other character that got involved was killed. for the mugiwara is was sanji. then you look at this chapter, the crew split in three and at all times zoro and sanji were depicted as equal second (case in point: http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-511/page002.html ). As such there's nothing that says that Zoro can't miss an arc. Sanji missed out on Skypiea didn't he?

Besserwisser

Zoro won’t miss a fight. He will have three days to recovery. Further if he still have damage at Fisman Island he will fight anyhow.
@Shaman:

i guess im the only one who doesn't follow the tier system but remember its fan made and i know you disagree and i respect that . i just don't believe its something to be taken absolute, but i guess I'm always the one sticking out from the crowd (the bad way i guess instead of the good)

No, you are not the only one who doesn’t follow the tier system. It is too vague in my opinion.

sabret00the

@Besserwisser:

Zoro won’t miss a fight. He will have three days to recovery. Further if he still have damage at Fisman Island he will fight anyhow.

Based on what? the fact that he's Zoro? and/or he's the crews swordsman? Don't get me wrong, i have no problem with Zoro fighting at Fishman Island, but contrary to popular belief, there's nothing that says Zoro has to fight every arc.

FireFistAce 0

@sabret00the:

Based on what? the fact that he's Zoro? and/or he's the crews swordsman? Don't get me wrong, i have no problem with Zoro fighting at Fishman Island, but contrary to popular belief, there's nothing that says Zoro has to fight every arc.

Yeah, but Gyojin arc has Hatchan's sensei, the Asura-looking Gyojin. Zoro HAS to fight that guy.

I'm thinking Crocus is gonna show up soon. I'm serious. All this mention of Crocus lately has had me really think Oda is trying to emphasize that Crocus WILL be making another appearance. We have the Brooke connection, the Roger connection… yeah, he's going to be important soon, and it may be for helping Chopper fix up Zoro.

Crossword

But he was shown quite recently still at the lighthouse, reading the paper and commenting on how Laboon was in a good mood.

Besserwisser

@sabret00the:

Based on what? the fact that he's Zoro? and/or he's the crews swordsman? Don't get me wrong, i have no problem with Zoro fighting at Fishman Island, but contrary to popular belief, there's nothing that says Zoro has to fight every arc.

The only thing I mean is that he will not stop fighting because he is wounded.

FireFistAce 0

@Crossword:

But he was shown quite recently still at the lighthouse, reading the paper and commenting on how Laboon was in a good mood.

That's just a cameo. Not what I'm talking about. I meant him showing up again in the main plot.

SabZ

Great chapter. I think Rayleigh will die, but he will die to ensure that the new era will go on. Rayleigh will give Kizaru a good fight. A fuckin' class fight, that's what it'll be.

Neomaster121

@sabret00the:

Based on what? the fact that he's Zoro? and/or he's the crews swordsman? Don't get me wrong, i have no problem with Zoro fighting at Fishman Island, but contrary to popular belief, there's nothing that says Zoro has to fight every arc.

Why u so determined that Zoro misses out fishman arc while sanji takes the stand?

Zoro and damage before a fight is like a boost of power waiting to happen

RPG KING

i love all the action thats been in this arc. i love law and kidd. who didn't see the kumabots coming? aleast the pairings were based on the strongest ones taking the lead of the groups.

Tokoro Ataru

For those who are fighting on whether Zoro deserves a break or not, it all depends. Think about when he wasn't fighting: when he was turning into a statue on Little Garden and when he really didn't do anything on Drum. Now think about what came before (the Whiskey Peak massacre) and after (Mr. 1 and cutting through steel). If Oda deems him needing a fight on Fishman Island, Oda will give it to him…on the other hand, after Kuroobi's comment, Sanji is probably guaranteed a fight with the Fishman Karate master if Oda remembered that.

As for a training arc: no way. The Straw Hats seem to evolve both on the fly and off-screen, unlike "certain other shonen". Maybe Rayleigh can give them some advice but its up to them to solve their own problems, just like Rayleigh not revealing either the contents of the Rio Poneglyph or One Piece.

Green Hair

I honestly don't know how after the events of these last few chapters Sanji, Robin or Brooke can go without telling Luffy of the happenings at Thriller Bark.

smurfx

man one piece was great. glad to see rayleigh step up but i wonder what will end up happening to the strawhats in the end since they are very weakened and they still have to fight the other pacifista and sentomaru. with that said i think the rayleigh vs kizaru fight will probably end in a stalemate because kizaru has to leave to go fight whitebeard or with rayleigh getting beat. i can't see rayleigh beating kizaru at this point. maybe in his weakened state zoro will hear the breath of all things again and cut down kizaru. he may get him in a surprise attack but i think that would be enough to have kizaru retreat with sentomaru. also there is no way rayleigh will be able to stay at the island anymore so i wonder where he will go. maybe he will go with the strawhats to fishman island? i'm not saying he will join the crew but he may tag along for a while and maybe even train some of the members. would be great to have him on the crew just so he can tell some old stories about the gold rogers crew. i can't see the strawhats getting into huge fights in fishman island since jimbei will be busy fighting whitebeard so it might be a fun arc. there might be some drama but i can't see it being that big.

smith

If Rayleigh is going anywhere then I would assume he would visit Crocus.

Kishido

@Neomaster121:

its just
the last time zoro was side lined was whisky peak
think about it
Zoro mihawk soon after that fishmen

now zoro kuma
SA before fishmen island

this arc is For Zoro n Luffy main
Allso i just realise something
Fishman island is underwater
high pressure affecting a badly condtioned Zoro
but more importantly being under water wouldn't that affect luffys powers
even if its not direct contact with water but the high concentration of the water minerals under water just effecting luffy

that would give oda a great chance to develop luffy without powers then when the resurface n gain their devil fruit powers Luffy becomes stronger,

Chopper becomes a reindeer throught the arc
Brookes stays alive since the effect of the fruit is gone n techniqually he should be able to re eat a fruit
Luffy loose rubber body has to fight without gears
robin looses her power

I predict that Sanji and Luffy will be the main force of fishmen arc. Zoro needs a rest.

Zkaiser

Omg smurfx, i love the idea of Zoro cutting down Kizaru! And then with this big gash on his chest Kizaru runs like a bitch. Rayliegh then uses zoro's shishi sonson as a segway to tell the strawhats about Haki. Yeah. That sounds cool.

Neomaster121

@KiShiDo:

I predict that Sanji and Luffy will be the main force of fishmen arc. Zoro needs a rest.

Um where would he rest in fishman island
infact the water pressure of being in fishman island will be a feat on him now

also whos going to stay with Zoro and make sure no one touches him while hes resting in fishman island

think about it
he can't rest on a island where mermen are pissed with humans and there could be mermen after the strawhats due to what they did in arlong park

i know he needs a rest but he just won't get one in fishman island

DesertSpada

Wow. That was a great chapter. The SH crew was totally spent after facing one Pacifista, and then to have another one, Sentoumaru and Kizaru show up? Wow. Now, since the one they just beat down was PX-4, that means that there are at least 4 more of them, guessing that the real Kuma isn't one of the numbered ones. If they are that strong then the Gov. is going really revving it's power up with these experiments or at least trying to.

Now we have Rayleigh stepping in and proving that it's possible to hit a Logia. As others have guessed, I'm sure it's something having to do with the "spirit" that they've been talking about. But if that's so, then that would mean that there was a way Blackbeard could have surpassed a Logia's natural defense without Yami Yami no Mi(but with the extra perqs presented with the Yami…). I guess that Rayleigh really coated their ship quickly, or he had to leave in order to check up on the SH.

Anyway, very interesting.

Kishido

@Neomaster121:

Um where would he rest in fishman island
infact the water pressure of being in fishman island will be a feat on him now

also whos going to stay with Zoro and make sure no one touches him while hes resting in fishman island

think about it
he can't rest on a island where mermen are pissed with humans and there could be mermen after the strawhats due to what they did in arlong park

i know he needs a rest but he just won't get one in fishman island

Sorry that's just my thinking. Maybe he will fight but like I said. Fishmen Island smells like a Sanji, Luffy and maybe Nami arc for me

sabret00the

@Fire Fist:

Yeah, but Gyojin arc has Hatchan's sensei, the Asura-looking Gyojin. Zoro HAS to fight that guy.

I'm thinking Crocus is gonna show up soon. I'm serious. All this mention of Crocus lately has had me really think Oda is trying to emphasize that Crocus WILL be making another appearance. We have the Brooke connection, the Roger connection… yeah, he's going to be important soon, and it may be for helping Chopper fix up Zoro.

Or Zoro could be an adult about it and go and learn from the guy instead of recklessly challenging him for no reason.

@Besserwisser:

The only thing I mean is that he will not stop fighting because he is wounded.

I don't think Zoro would so by choice, it's even possible (contrary to what i just said) that Zoro could have an encounter which would normally result in a fight, but he's told he's in no fit condition to fight and as such should just observe.

FireFistAce 0

@sabret00the:

Or Zoro could be an adult about it and go and learn from the guy instead of recklessly challenging him for no reason.

Yes. Not remotely the point, though. What I meant was that he has to have some sort of interaction with this guy, in the form of training or a sword battle.

sabret00the

@Fire Fist:

Yes. Not remotely the point, though. What I meant was that he has to have some sort of interaction with this guy, in the form of training or a sword battle.

My only point is that Zoro doesn't HAVE to fight in the Fishman Island arc. It wouldn't hurt the story in any way.

MilhGaf

It's pretty clear that Rayleigh can kick Kizaru thanks to his flip flop made of seastone

sabret00the

@MilhGaf:

It's pretty clear that Rayleigh can kick Kizaru thanks to his flip flop made of seastone

lawl lawl lawl lawl lawl lawl lawl!

Besserwisser

@sabret00the:

I don't think Zoro would so by choice, it's even possible (contrary to what i just said) that Zoro could have an encounter which would normally result in a fight, but he's told he's in no fit condition to fight and as such should just observe.

Zoro is badly damaged and he fights the Pacifista together with the other Strawhats and makes his strongest known attack on him.

I would like it if Zoro swims outside from Fishman Island for some reason and the other have there fights in Fishman Island. But I don’t see this coming, this discussion lead nowhere. You can say all people who favour Sanji would like it if Zoro sleeps till the Fishman Island Arc is over but this is bullshit. Sanji can have big improvements even if Zoro have his own fight.

Further I believe that Zoro can in a weakened state make more damage than Sanji how we see in the fight against the Pacifista.

Neomaster121

@Besserwisser:

Zoro is badly damaged and he fights the Pacifista together with the other Strawhats and makes his strongest known attack on him.

I would like it if Zoro swims outside from Fishman Island for some reason and the other have there fights in Fishman Island. But I don’t see this coming, this discussion lead nowhere. You can say all people who favour Sanji would like it if Zoro sleeps till the Fishman Island Arc is over but this is bullshit. Sanji can have big improvements even if Zoro have his own fight.

Further I believe that Zoro can in a weakened state make more damage than Sanji how we see in the fight against the Pacifista.

its just that sanji fans see where oda is going with this story and they just don't want it to happen they think the only way sanji gets an upgrade is if Zoro is sleeping

Well good luck sanji fans hopefuly your dreams won't come true HAHAHAHA

smurfx

prediction for the end of this arc.

sanji will learn how to break/cut steel with his feet and will learn it on the kuma clone. zeff was able to do all that and i don't think he even got to the new world. it's about time for sanji to surpass zeff.

zoro in his weakened state will make his body hear the breath of all things like he did when he was near death vs mr.1 and then will cut kizaru

luffy will become aware of his spirit. that is all i see luffy doing in this arc. of course him becoming aware of his spirit will allow him to develop as a fighter.

rayleigh will join the strawhats for a while much like vivi did for a few arcs.

Well here's my input:
Great chapter.Alot was going on and Sentoumaru=win.

Seriously,the 'Bodygaurd' of Vegapunk and 'Head of the Science unit'.My guess is that he may have metal implants throughout his body(The same as the Pacifista's are made of).
I hope we see Vegapunk soon as I doubt the 'Bodygaurd' would stray too far from the 'Master'.

I also liked seeing Usopp in this Chapter.He held his 'Kabuto' up to Kizaru to protect Zoro despite the fact he was up against a Admiral.
Although he was relying on Zoro to protect him he ended up willing to go up against an Admiral for Zoro.I think TB truely did change him.

I also liked how the crew split up into 3's.With one of the 'strong trio' one of the 'middle trio' and one of the 'weak trio…' and each team also has a member with a 'Bibli card'.
Something's fishy though.Have you noticed Law's and Kid's 'Pacifista' is the only one that's talked.....me thinks thier up against the real Kuma.
Although with Oda you nether know.

So yeah,Great chapter,Great pacing.Thanks Oda and Translators

sabret00the

@Neomaster121:

its just that sanji fans see where oda is going with this story and they just don't want it to happen they think the only way sanji gets an upgrade is if Zoro is sleeping

Well good luck sanji fans hopefuly your dreams won't come true HAHAHAHA

I don't understand what this has got to do with Sanji. Sanji can become the weakest Mugiwara if it helps the story along. But not having Zoro actually have to deal with the consequences of taking all of Luffy's pent up damage up until now and be limited to having a few days sleep is just lame.

Neomaster121

@sabret00the:

I don't understand what this has got to do with Sanji. Sanji can become the weakest Mugiwara if it helps the story along. But not having Zoro actually have to deal with the consequences of taking all of Luffy's pent up damage up until now and be limited to having a few days sleep is just lame.

i just see a major chance for Zoro to have some serious mental and emotional development which i've believed was coming for a long time now

and ur telling me he should go sleep the dame n pain away

Miracles

How come no one is giving Oda a hand clap for his fast and wonderful pacing of the last couple of chapters of this arc?

dinty

What's this now? An alpha battle between the Zoro fans and the Sanji fans?

Heh.

Life imitates art.