Chapter 508 "Isle of Carnage" Discussion
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has anyone realized that a bullet passing through light doesn't cause smoke, so the smoke coming from his head is not evidence of a light fruit
Honestly the way it's drawn makes it almost look more like he just has a really thick skull as opposed to using any paticular ability to survive that :D. Kinda like garp taking the axe blow while asleep
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Kizaru. You may not want to be a logia but he is.
You may want him to be a logia, but you're just speculating.
His blasts deal heat dmg. He makes laser sound effects. He can move super fast. It's NOT drawn like any Rokushiki, with the obvious unique light effect effect on the foot.
Light doesn't make any sound effects. Ace's blasts deal heat damage. Enel can move super fast, soru users can move super fast, Kuma can move super fast. None of them have a light logia. It's very simple to imagine a dude who has for example a laser shooting fruit and he's just trained himself to be fast and sturdy.
Anyone noticed that he stopped moving super speed the moment before he hit basil. Furthermore there were no sound effects, suggestion it was truly instentanious (no time for sound reach). Light isn't solid so he has to rematialise to deal dmg.
Impact between two solid materials covered in air will make sound. Doesn't matter if it happens at the speed of light. If there was no sound effect, it's for another reason than it happening at the speed of light.
E=mc2
The enrgie it takes light to reach its speed is 0. To make a mass move that fast…. so high moving a mass of matter through air at that speed would cause nuclear explosions unto itselfKuma does it just fine with no nuclear explosions.
Conclusion: Kizaru has light based logia fruit.
Conclusion is flawed.I didn't dispute his rank, i queried his station. i.e. Smoke was a Marine HQ captain stationed at Loque Town.
Is Aokiji stationed at MHQ?
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Light doesn't make any sound effects. Ace's blasts deal heat damage. Enel can move super fast, soru users can move super fast, Kuma can move super fast. None of them have a light logia. It's very simple to imagine a dude who has for example a laser shooting fruit and he's just trained himself to be fast and sturdy.
Laser sound effects, are cause well its a manga, lasers always have sound effects. Consider it a noise made by the DF and not the light. He moved instantaniously, yet the light effect from foot suggested he didn't just teleport. Soru and the like are alwasy shown with after images and movment effects. The fact that its heat based and speed based is suggestive of light cause electrictys already been done.
Impact between two solid materials covered in air will make sound. Doesn't matter if it happens at the speed of light. If there was no sound effect, it's for another reason than it happening at the speed of light.
If he was light itself then he wouldnt make any noise while moving through the air.
Kuma does it just fine with no nuclear explosions.
I'd say he more of "rejects his location" aka actulay teleports. Light doesnt currve enough to go around the horizon yet he was able to move the ghost girl to some other location.
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Laser sound effects, are cause well its a manga, lasers always have sound effects. Consider it a noise made by the DF and not the light. He moved instantaniously, yet the light effect from foot suggested he didn't just teleport.
Same as Kuma then. Gotcha.
Soru and the like are alwasy shown with after images and movment effects.
So he has developed a technique that's better than Soru. Not surprising since that dude with sword-fingers in east blue could move almost as fast as Soru users.
The fact that its heat based and speed based is suggestive of light cause electrictys already been done.
But only if you assume that both the heat and the speed come from the same source. It has not been proven.
If he was light itself then he wouldnt make any noise while moving through the air.
No, but when his rematerialized foot hit Hawkins in the face.
I'd say he more of "rejects his location" aka actulay teleports. Light doesnt currve enough to go around the horizon yet he was able to move the ghost girl to some other location.
He deflects things at the speed of light. Teleportation is faster than the speed of light, since it doesn't actually have any speed at all.
You don't know where Perona ended up, do you?
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You seem to be one of those people just determined to be opposed to somone no matter what they say.
More you seem to be willing to believe whatever you want as long as there insnt absolute proof. I doubt youd accept he's a logia till its written and even then you still wouldnt accept it as a light fruit unless he actulay SAID he had a light fruit.
Anyway, the scene without sound effects was the instant before connection, there was sound effects rght afterwards as he actulay it him.
Developing a tecnique that much supierer to soru would be astounding., especialy cause it makes his foot glow, without causing heat.
Unless Kuma threw Perons into space, then she went soomewhere out of sight, hence forth teleportation.
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You seem to be one of those people just determined to be opposed to somone no matter what they say.
More you seem to be willing to believe whatever you want as long as there insnt absolute proof. I doubt youd accept he's a logia till its written and even then you still wouldnt accept it as a light fruit unless he actulay SAID he had a light fruit.
Absolutely not. I'm just saying your conclusion is flawed.
Anyway, the scene without sound effects was the instant before connection, there was sound effects rght afterwards as he actulay it him.
Then I'd have to say I entirely don't understand your point. He makes sound effect, so therefore he must have travelled at the speed of light? Or you mean he didn't make sfx while running?
Developing a tecnique that much supierer to soru would be astounding., especialy cause it makes his foot glow, without causing heat.
He's an admiral. They are the definition of astounding.
Unless Kuma threw Perons into space, then she went soomewhere out of sight, hence forth teleportation.
… I don't even know how you made that work in your head.
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The sound effects in that panel are "DON!!! DON!!" which would translate to English as BANG BANG or BOOM BOOM.
The more interesting effect is on the very next page: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/15/
The sound effect on the bottom panel left side is "pyuun" which indicates extremely fast movement. It is used alot for things like light. The sound effect is used again on page 10 of Chapter 508 as he shoots the 'laser' from his finger. Plus he made a "Pika" sound earlier which is to sparkle. We can figure that by sound effects alone he has some sort of Light ability. Hope that clears things up a little.
Yeah we are all suspecting he has some light ability already. What I wanted to know was if the sfx indicated an impact or if it somehow suggested it went through his head without resistance.
Assuming the pirate only shoots one bullet that second don would be the bullet impacting his head wouldn't it? -
Yeah we are all suspecting he has some light ability already. What I wanted to know was if the sfx indicated an impact or if it somehow suggested it went through his head without resistance.
Assuming the pirate only shoots one bullet that second don would be the bullet impacting his head wouldn't it?Yeah we can assume from the image that the first "DON!!!" would be the bang of the gun and the second one is probably the bullet hitting his head.
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I'd make more counter arguments but most of the time it sounds like your saying, "No 1+1 equals three, cause I don't like pie".
You mostly just don't don't read what I say. Leaving out a few words or half a sentance to make it fit your claim.
The rest of the time you just repeat what I say adding a question mark, or even flat out agree with me as if that somewhow makes my points invalid.
Of cource I'm the bigger moron. I'm still posting :P
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Of course I'm the bigger moron. I'm still posting
This all looks so familiar….
@mrkaizoku:Yeah we can assume from the image that the first "DON!!!" would be the bang of the gun and the second one is probably the bullet hitting his head.
Argh. Shouldn't we also assume that it is a mistake or intends something else? I don't see why the same effect would be used, though the two sound effects and two action effects in the same panel suggest it.
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It makes sense that "DON!!!" number one is the shot from the gun and "DON!!" number two is the impact. I stick by my original assessment.
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It makes sense that "DON!!!" number one is the shot from the gun and "DON!!" number two is the impact. I stick by my original assessment.
Weeeeell. Alright. But if we find out he has a Logia, in my mind the bullet passed through his head and the second sound effect wasn't really intended to be 'impact'.
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21 pages and I don't think anyone noticed that Urouge finally stopped smiling while he was on the floor.
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I'm kind of disappointed; it seems all of the captains have DFs. Can't we have an awesomely strong character without magical enhancement? Please?
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Urouge, Apoo and Drake aren't confirmed to have DFs as of 508 "Isle of Carnage" dark kaomi
Basil is a bit iffy. it looks like those dolls came out of his arm but we cant really be sure.
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Urouge doesn't seem to have a DF ability, just muscle enhancement like what zoro does when he pumps up his arms
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I'm kind of disappointed; it seems all of the captains have DFs. Can't we have an awesomely strong character without magical enhancement? Please?
why does some1 want to have strong charas without a DF??? ( or at least why complaining about charas with a DF)
i mean you want DB typical charas which could fight that strong that they have such unique fighting technique that they ,in the end, could have DF powers…??
c´mon when you want good fights without DF users than don`t read OP:getlost:i mean DF
s are that what brings some spice into the battles ,so why not using DF
s , when this is something which makes the manga so unique??
always complaining about..."ohh why does this villain must have a DF"!
the only reason i could see why i wouldnt like that much DF
s are cause they are so rare...but cmon cause of a DF you are able to be such a power house ...there can
t be so much strong fighters around without a DF like WB so far...i see DFs as a gift...so why shouldn
t oda use them????
its like.."yeah you could walk(without DF) the 100miles ...but oda thinks...i could also use the car(with a DF)" this manga is FUCKING BASED on DF
s....so what the fuck are you complaining about??
at the beginning we had just a few DFs....now at the grandline it should be clear that there are more DF users..i don`t say that every strong chara should have 1 ,but as a well known OP reader (oooops sry maybe you more a naruto fan or whatever)you should be aware of that luffy will surely fight from now on JUST DF users..
why should luffy now fight a non DF power user...wouldn
t that feel more like..."yeah luffy won this fight cause he have a DF-power".. only exception here could be WB as the strongest man in the OP world but we should wait....maybe he has a DF...but some1 like shanks for example is unique so there can
t be much charas without a DF which are so strong that they could reach the top...i surely know what you mean but than this charas would just be canon fodder...do you like this....think before you post such comments..
iam sry that i have to quote you now,could also quote 100 other guys on this forum but now iam drunk and angry... but still this is the truth:getlost:
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Urouge, Apoo and Drake aren't confirmed to have DFs as of 508 "Isle of Carnage" dark kaomi
Basil is a bit iffy. it looks like those dolls came out of his arm but we cant really be sure.
Gorlom: The Purveyor of False Hope!
Shame on you bro
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What? I know nothing of the spoiler thread! nothing I tell you!
=P
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What? I know nothing of the spoiler thread! nothing I tell you!
=P
I actually "laughed out loud"
That's pretty rare for me.Edit:you currently have the last post in the spoiler thread.
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@Don:
why does some1 want to have strong charas without a DF??? ( or at least why complaining about charas with a DF)
i mean you want DB typical charas which could fight that strong that they have such unique fighting technique that they ,in the end, could have DF powers…??
c´mon when you want good fights without DF users than don`t read OP:getlost:i mean DF
s are that what brings some spice into the battles ,so why not using DF
s , when this is something which makes the manga so unique??
always complaining about..."ohh why does this villain must have a DF"!
the only reason i could see why i wouldnt like that much DF
s are cause they are so rare...but cmon cause of a DF you are able to be such a power house ...there can
t be so much strong fighters around without a DF like WB so far...i see DFs as a gift...so why shouldn
t oda use them????
its like.."yeah you could walk(without DF) the 100miles ...but oda thinks...i could also use the car(with a DF)" this manga is FUCKING BASED on DF
s....so what the fuck are you complaining about??
at the beginning we had just a few DFs....now at the grandline it should be clear that there are more DF users..i don`t say that every strong chara should have 1 ,but as a well known OP reader (oooops sry maybe you more a naruto fan or whatever)you should be aware of that luffy will surely fight from now on JUST DF users..
why should luffy now fight a non DF power user...wouldn
t that feel more like..."yeah luffy won this fight cause he have a DF-power".. only exception here could be WB as the strongest man in the OP world but we should wait....maybe he has a DF...but some1 like shanks for example is unique so there can
t be much charas without a DF which are so strong that they could reach the top...i surely know what you mean but than this charas would just be canon fodder...do you like this....think before you post such comments..
iam sry that i have to quote you now,could also quote 100 other guys on this forum but now iam drunk and angry... but still this is the truth:getlost:
I'm not saying there should be many without DFs but a few wouldn't be unwelcome. Kind of a balance. With all of them suped up it kind of makes me feel like the only way a character can be strong is by obtaining a DF rather than who they are or by just sheer will power. I think it would be more impressive if one of the captains had reached where they have without a DF. It would add a small sense of realism which is something that makes a story more enjoyable to me. Which is kind of why I hope WB and Shanks don't have one. I think it'd make them more amazing.
If you've noticed, since the Straw Hats entered the Grandline, everyone Luffy's been up against has had a DF so only fighting DFs from now on isn't a new thing.
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I actually "laughed out loud"
That's pretty rare for me.Edit:you currently have the last post in the spoiler thread.
eyes shifts from side to side in a very conspirational manner
Lies…
sees that it is true
Darnit!
If you've noticed, since the Straw Hats entered the Grandline, everyone Luffy's been up against has had a DF so only fighting DFs from now on isn't a new thing.
I disagree. he has fought Franky, Usopp Oz and Punched Charlos after entering the grand line.
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I disagree. he has fought Franky, Usopp Oz and Punched Charlos after entering the grand line.
And don't forget to add Wiper to that list. And he sent the monkey brothers flying. I'm sure there are others. Oh! And he fought Zoro and
the whale too (who's name escapes me at the moment)Laboon. -
You forgot the name of the WHALE?@?!Laboon?@!#$? Haha, anyway the day is slowly approaching. And don't worry too much Dark Kaomi. I thinks it's pretty assured that Shanks and Whitebeard don't have DF, plus as another said, Apoo, Drake and Urouge haven't been shown to have any yet….although Urouge has a curious ability. We'll see how it plays out.
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Urouge hasn't been shown to have any yet
You know, I am surprised more people aren't jumping on his size change as a DF yet. I mean his size change wasn't just a Zoro flex imitation; the beads that dangled halfway down his chest are now a nice circle around his hulking neck, and his once over-sized black pillar of confusion is now more or less a toothpick. Not to mention his height doubled. Unless…....maybe he knows how to flex his bones as well?? hehe.
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I'd assumed that he had a fruit. We haven't seen anyone thus far that could just grow to whatever size they wanted.
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You know, I am surprised more people aren't jumping on his size change as a DF yet. I mean his size change wasn't just a Zoro flex imitation; the beads that dangled halfway down his chest are now a nice circle around his hulking neck, and his once over-sized black pillar of confusion is now more or less a toothpick. Not to mention his height doubled. Unless…....maybe he knows how to flex his bones as well?? hehe.
Well, while it may very well be a DF he's using, it also might be his technique or something. For example, CP9 did some crazy stuff without devil fruits(think of Lucci. Although his Leopard form was because of the DF, he was able to shrink to half of his size using Life Return) and with Urouge being a native skypiean, he may have learned techniques that are much different than ones that live on the ground. It's just that I don't call DF until I see something a bit more definitive, like what Kizaru did this chapter.
He did grow quite large though. We'll see him give Kuma-bot a smack down now….er, well try at least. This should prove to be a most exciting chapter.....but Oda always knows how to do that.
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And don't forget that some members of CP9 were able to fly just by using geppou !
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Well, while it may very well be a DF he's using, it also might be his technique or something. For example, CP9 did some crazy stuff without devil fruits(think of Lucci. Although his Leopard form was because of the DF, he was able to shrink to half of his size using Life Return) and with Urouge being a native skypiean, he may have learned techniques that are much different than ones that live on the ground. It's just that I don't call DF until I see something a bit more definitive, like what Kizaru did this chapter.
Yeah, but I am surprised I haven't seen anyone jump on the bandwagon anyway. And perhaps you are right, being a native sky islander (I believe Skypiea itself is only one area, right?) perhaps he learned whatever the fish learned to adapt and grow larger in order to swim in the White-White Sea for fun. haha. Nevertheless.
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Strange because livings from Skypiea are huge in the sky but shrink when they come down !?
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Strange because livings from Skypiea are huge in the sky but shrink when they come down !?
That was just because the fish wasn't skilled enough to use it whenever he wishes. Obviously Urouge trained with it for months on end, and then mastered the ability.
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I was also talking about trees and snakes
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I was also talking about trees and snakes
Well, I was being facetious either way. No need to get too serious. Wait….trees and snakes?? I remember the trees being bigger, but I do not recall the trees getting smaller. And snakes? Wasn't Rolo (Rolan?) just as big as his "ancestors"?
---> Could be wrong though <---
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No, everything exploded in size when the island was thrown in the sky.
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Strange because livings from Skypiea are huge in the sky but shrink when they come down !?
I was also talking about trees and snakes
You fooled me. (sarcasm)
The trees were up there for 400 years so it isn't hard to believe them and their inhabitants continued to grow larger because "they are in the sky" (according to OP logic that is) or perhaps the strangeness that IS of Sky Islands. Furthermore, humans were not affected by this monstrous growth, but I was attempting to make a joke that perhaps Urouge figured out the answer behind this riddle and exploited it.
I feel like Aohige_AP having to explain a joke.
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I was watching a movie when I felt the 5.4 earthquake myself.