Originally posted by Solar Knight+May 21 2005, 02:18 PM–>QUOTE(Solar Knight @ May 21 2005, 02:18 PM)
OFFICIAL 4Kids Dub Discussion
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OH MY GOD! I don't live in america so i can't see that horror! ( lord have mercy :lol: ) , bellemer was taken to a " dungeon", XDDDDDDDD!
Poor one piece 4kids is killing you.
I' m pretty sure that they will never get to the alabasta or the skypea arc and i hope that they will never get to the water 7 arc ( think about how horrible and dumb it will be in their hands . ) -
Yeah but some people can't download subs. And if they want to see it uncut they need uncut dvd's. And actually I see 4Kids getting that far since the show is gaining in ratings now.
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Originally posted by taboo@May 21 2005, 02:29 PM
**> I for one thought the worst thing that happend during One Piece today was that CRAPTACULAR Bratz music video.Oh, heck yes. I thought I was going to esplode.
[snapback]53032[/snapback]**I dropped a few IQ points from that :wacko: ! Good thing I only saw three or so seconds of it though…
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Originally posted by Solar Knight+May 21 2005, 01:32 PM–>QUOTE(Solar Knight @ May 21 2005, 01:32 PM)
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I agree. I just didn't understand why they show the same stuff on CN since it's on as late as it is (not that late for me :lol: ).
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I hope someone will put up clips of the shovel and dungeon. But that dungeon thing was stupid. They should have used a hammer-gun instead.
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Originally posted by Otaku no M@May 21 2005, 02:15 PM
I hope someone will put up clips of the shovel and dungeon. But that dungeon thing was stupid. They should have used a hammer-gun instead.
[snapback]53067[/snapback]Oh no if they put the hammer gun it would've been worse. At least with the dungeon we can assume she died eventually…
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I liked Bellemores voice, but the scenes usually before a commerical break was just horrible. Arlong just smiling and saying childish things was funny, but the other parts just killed me… "You puny, stupid, patheic PU human."
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My thoughts:
When I first heard Bellemere say "Eya, say's who?", I was like "What? She has a gangster accent?",
Genzo saying "Nay-ve" was just…blah,
return of the super-soakers are always a good laugh,
didn't see the shovel coming and that was just stupid,
fear Arlong and his dangerous and evil finger!!
I was one that predicted Bellemere was going to be taken prisoner,
and Bellmere on the ground with Arlong editted out looked really dumb.
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Originally posted by RomanMack+May 21 2005, 02:18 PM–>QUOTE(RomanMack @ May 21 2005, 02:18 PM)
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the dugenon scence was so halirous. Bellemere voice was alright. When they tookher away to "the dugeon", then shouldnt have nami been able to visit her/ set her free. also did arlong have any diaglouge when she was on the ground.
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(Damn Zephos has a pretty good point)
I wonder if 4Kids actually WATCHED the original or just picked it up due to the "childish" art style.
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Originally posted by Zephos+May 21 2005, 02:27 PM–>QUOTE(Zephos @ May 21 2005, 02:27 PM) _> Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 02:18 PM
I hope someone will put up clips of the shovel and dungeon. But that dungeon thing was stupid. They should have used a hammer-gun instead.
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Oh no if they put the hammer gun it would've been worse. At least with the dungeon we can assume she died eventually…
[snapback]53073[/snapback]<_< Give me a break man…
That was beyond even my expectations.
It was hilarious. They destroyed the episode(s). Of course the series has been dragging around like a dieing hippo since AT LEAST Zoro's flashback.
before they were killing One Piece's style and integrity. But now they're killing the plot.
And thats only the first Romanmack.-Smoker, a character based on cigars
-Nami stabbing her arm. The initiation of "Ok lets stand up"
-Every fight in the series
-Any knife sword wounds
-bullets
-War (don't even bring Kirby into this, ridiculous) You think that a choatic mid eastern setting with humans killing eachother because of super-charged patrotism, is going to be Ok on American TV?
-All religous aspects from Skypiea.
-Bellamy killing Roshio and beating on Luffy and Zoro (thats the best scene in the series)
-Choppers flashback
-All the wacky politics later onIt was doomed as soon as they liscensed it.
And edits are the least of the problems.
[snapback]53086[/snapback]You forgot the many characters, like Mr. 2, Crocodile, Miss Doublefinger, Mr. 1 and his power, and the owrst will be what they do to poor Hattori. They mess with the bird, they mess with me_
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The worst part of Skypiea for them will be all of the violence. Religion isn't that big.
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Some parents don't want their kids to think there are other religions though (pointless <_< ).
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There really isn't any religion in Skypiea. Change "God" to "Guardian" and you're good.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@May 21 2005, 02:45 PM
There really isn't any religion in Skypiea. Change "God" to "Guardian" and you're good.
[snapback]53103[/snapback]You'd also have to change "Preists" to something else and then yes, theoritically Skypiea is good enough to air.
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Originally posted by Solar Knight@May 21 2005, 01:41 PM
Some parents don't want their kids to think there are other religions though (pointless <_< ).
[snapback]53099[/snapback]Cause simple little knowledge like that being shown on tv is deadly and could lead to the next Hitler of the world if it crosses their beadly eyes. :P
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How do any of you think they'll deal with Alabasta?
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I can only hope they'll give up before Chopper's arc and not touch anything that precious again. This was just… god awful. I can't believe I thought it was decent after the first episode.
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Alabasta will be sodomized. That's all. Poor Choppy's past will be softened so that there's nothing jarring about it.
Originally posted by Zio@May 21 2005, 02:46 PM
You'd also have to change "Preists" to something else and then yes, theoritically Skypiea is good enough to air.
[snapback]53108[/snapback]I don't put "Four Bad Men" past them.
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Originally posted by Zephos+May 21 2005, 02:27 PM–>QUOTE(Zephos @ May 21 2005, 02:27 PM) _> Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 02:18 PM
I hope someone will put up clips of the shovel and dungeon. But that dungeon thing was stupid. They should have used a hammer-gun instead.
[snapback]53067[/snapback]
Oh no if they put the hammer gun it would've been worse. At least with the dungeon we can assume she died eventually…
[snapback]53073[/snapback]<_< Give me a break man…
That was beyond even my expectations.
It was hilarious. They destroyed the episode(s). Of course the series has been dragging around like a dieing hippo since AT LEAST Zoro's flashback.
before they were killing One Piece's style and integrity. But now they're killing the plot.
And thats only the first Romanmack.-Smoker, a character based on cigars
-Nami stabbing her arm. The initiation of "Ok lets stand up"
-Every fight in the series
-Any knife sword wounds
-bullets
-War (don't even bring Kirby into this, ridiculous) You think that a choatic mid eastern setting with humans killing eachother because of super-charged patrotism, is going to be Ok on American TV?
-All religous aspects from Skypiea.
-Bellamy killing Roshio and beating on Luffy and Zoro (thats the best scene in the series)
-Choppers flashback
-All the wacky politics later onIt was doomed as soon as they liscensed it.
And edits are the least of the problems.
[snapback]53086[/snapback]I'll bring it in if I want to. OKAY? Like I was saying if they allow war in Kirby which is targeted at a MUCH younger audience than One Piece, then they should be able to do it on One Piece. Yes it will be edited down more considering it's a more violent war, but I'm just saying that the idea of war should be kept since they've left it on their other shows._
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Consider this.
Most of the Kirby characters are not human.
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Owned.
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Originally posted by KatanaJon@May 21 2005, 02:55 PM
**Consider this.Most of the Kirby characters are not human.
[snapback]53116[/snapback]**Yes but war is war. That's why I said the war aspects in One Piece would be edited down considering that humans are fighting in it, but the IDEA of war should still be there, it's a fight to the finish, they've shown it before in different shows. Of coarse the blood and guns will be edited, but not the story. It should still be a war, regardless of what they edit.
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Originally posted by RomanMack+May 21 2005, 02:59 PM–>QUOTE(RomanMack @ May 21 2005, 02:59 PM)
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OKAY ITS CHOPPERS TIME FOR HIS THOUGHTS ON TODAYS EPISODE!!
I was able to catch even though i had soccer todayThe episode was just.. shocking…
- The Slap.. was cut out. Pretty obvious they didnt want to refer to child abuse :P
2.) Genzo's slash was still kept in! And great Bandage on the nose Genzo
3.) Bellmere's voice. Eh, it was alright.. But i really liked young Nami's voice. That was decent.
4.) Bellemere's "death" XDDD!
Holy Heck! That was hilarious! The finger!!! woo sarcasm
That finger means big trouble! oh yeah :rollseyes:
5.) The shovel. Lol i was really cracked up about that but it was better than any broomstick they had.
For Bellemere's death I was expecting the return of the "Poison Suction Cups". I was kinda expecting that but i guess the finger replaced it.. :huh:
I'm not gonna be able to see next weeks cuz of Soccer so ur gonna have to fill me in on it
- The Slap.. was cut out. Pretty obvious they didnt want to refer to child abuse :P
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Originally posted by Zephos+May 21 2005, 03:25 PM–>QUOTE(Zephos @ May 21 2005, 03:25 PM) _> Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 02:59 PM
****Consider this.
Most of the Kirby characters are not human.
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Yes but war is war. That's why I said the war aspects in One Piece would be edited down considering that humans are fighting in it, but the IDEA of war should still be there, it's a fight to the finish, they've shown it before in different shows. Of coarse the blood and guns will be edited, but not the story. It should still be a war, regardless of what they edit.
[snapback]53120[/snapback]**Did you ignore these words?
"mid-eastern setting"
"humans"
"supercharged patriotism"Don't tell us war is war. The DBZ dub, while sending people to another dimension, seemed fine with Vegeta and Nappa slaughtering those filler bug aliens.
Humans dieing is a difference in dub minds.And your ignoring realism. Alabasta is scarily relevant to shit these days. And includes full seriousness, and humans being every single combatant.
The details DO matter.
[snapback]53145[/snapback]Yeah, but they are not going to cover up the fact that they are all fighting. I mean what can they do? They can't really say their fighting for nothing. As much as they edit the VIOLENCE in this arc, they can't really edit out the fact that what they are in is a war. But 4Kids has surprised us in the past so let's see…_
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If Bellmere is taken to a dungeon. Then they could skip an arc's cpore plot.
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Does anyone think that they might take out the whole Skypiea arc out?
1.)Violence
2.)Religion
3.) The lengthThey might do it. U think so?
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Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 01:32 PM
But 4Kids has surprised us in the past so let's see…
[snapback]53150[/snapback]Good surprises or bad ones? So far, it's been bad. Really bad.
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Originally posted by Mr. Santoryu+May 21 2005, 12:41 PM–>QUOTE(Mr. Santoryu @ May 21 2005, 12:41 PM)
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Yea bad surprises. As for the lengthy arcs, I don't think they'll cut them down I mean they have'nt with Yu-gi-oh in which some of those duels go on forever!
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Originally posted by Tony Tony Chopper@May 21 2005, 04:38 PM
**Does anyone think that they might take out the whole Skypiea arc out?1.)Violence
2.)Religion
3.) The lengthThey might do it. U think so?
[snapback]53159[/snapback]**They can't skip Skypiea, how will they explain Nami's waver and Ussop's dials? :huh:
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Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 12:49 PM
Yea bad surprises. As for the lengthy arcs, I don't think they'll cut them down I mean they have'nt with Yu-gi-oh in which some of those duels go on forever!
[snapback]53167[/snapback]I KNOW! THE DUEL ARE SOOOO ANNOYING. My brothers watching and I come in and ask him.
Me: What? Are they still in the same duel?
My Bro: No, they're in a different duel
Me: Ahh whats the point? They all the same. -
4Kids are the masters of getting around something and making it look stupid, so I'm preety sure they'll keep Skypeia and just change the religeous themes.
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Which will kill Ener's character and appeal.
I mean how many false-prophet/dieties are better or as good as the real thing?
And he has such cool lines…
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Originally posted by Miss White day+May 21 2005, 12:55 PM–>QUOTE(Miss White day @ May 21 2005, 12:55 PM)
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Hahaha. I actually did get to see the episode today, even though I'm on a retreat in the mountains (I'm right near an internet cafe too, shhhh). :D I couldn't help but immediately think of that picture that someone did of Arlong pointing and saying "take her away!" :lol: I think the 4kids4shame thread makes some pretty good predictions.
The only edit that really surprised me was taking the reason why Genzo wears the pinwheel. :blink: Episode merging sucks. I could have sworn Nami's flashback was 3 episodes rather than 2, but maybe it just felt long to me. :lol:
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Originally posted by Zephos@May 21 2005, 01:26 PM
"True fear comes from God, and God alone."
[snapback]53193[/snapback]"True fear comes from my mom, and my mom alone."
:lol:
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Man, after all I had heard about this episode i was predicting it to be great, until I remembered 4Kids edits it. I recorded it and watchedit a few hours ago and was very dissapointed. I really 4Kids and really the fact that I cannot find out how to download Subs.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@May 21 2005, 04:37 PM
**Hahaha. I actually did get to see the episode today, even though I'm on a retreat in the mountains (I'm right near an internet cafe too, shhhh). :D I couldn't help but immediately think of that picture that someone did of Arlong pointing and saying "take her away!" :lol: I think the 4kids4shame thread makes some pretty good predictions.The only edit that really surprised me was taking the reason why Genzo wears the pinwheel. :blink: Episode merging sucks. I could have sworn Nami's flashback was 3 episodes rather than 2, but maybe it just felt long to me. :lol:
[snapback]53206[/snapback]**I forgot, why does Genzo wear the pinwheel?
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Originally posted by RomanMack+May 21 2005, 01:43 PM–>QUOTE(RomanMack @ May 21 2005, 01:43 PM)
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When Nami was ababy, she was scared of Genzo's face, so he put the pinwheel on his head to see if that'll make her less scared and it worked. He still continued to wear it after that, up till the end of the Arlong arc.
This episode was worse than I thought. I really have never been as pissed at the dub as I am now. I'd rather Bellemere die by hammer gun than THIS! ooooooh, what a menacing finger! And Bellemere is in a dungeon?! I really hope Luffy and co. don't "free" her after they defeat Arlong. What really pisses me off though is that they switched scenes around here and there to make it seem like Bellemere was still alive.
God, all the emotion, all the sadness in this episode is just gone. And I thought Zoro's past was raped, damn I don't even feel bad for Nami in the dub and her joining Arlong's crew to get money really just makes her seem like a selfish bitch.
Well, this episode truly was one of the worst and is sadly is a taste of things to come in the dub. 4Kids really cannot handle this series. I just hope it does bad on Toonami so they'll drop the series already. It really is sad what they've done to the it. The dub isn't even a joke anymore, not after this episode.
Fucking great, next week we're gonna see how 4Kids will fuck up Nami stabbing her arm and the march to Arlong Park.
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About nami stabbing her self. If you heard the Doctor he said "Tatoo"
so it seems like its washable. So she might try rubbing it off with her own hands.Unless they make it permanent…
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Originally posted by DarkShinobi@May 21 2005, 04:53 PM
**When Nami was ababy, she was scared of Genzo's face, so he put the pinwheel on his head to see if that'll make her less scared and it worked. He still continued to wear it after that, up till the end of the Arlong arc.This episode was worse than I thought. I really have never been as pissed at the dub as I am now. I'd rather Bellemere die by hammer gun than THIS! ooooooh, what a menacing finger! And Bellemere is in a dungeon?! I really hope Luffy and co. don't "free" her after they defeat Arlong. What really pisses me off though is that they switched scenes around here and there to make it seem like Bellemere was still alive.
God, all the emotion, all the sadness in this episode is just gone. And I thought Zoro's past was raped, damn I don't even feel bad for Nami in the dub and her joining Arlong's crew to get money really just makes her seem like a selfish bitch.
Well, this episode truly was one of the worst and is sadly is a taste of things to come in the dub. 4Kids really cannot handle this series. I just hope it does bad on Toonami so they'll drop the series already. It really is sad what they've done to the it. The dub isn't even a joke anymore, not after this episode.
Fucking great, next week we're gonna see how 4Kids will fuck up Nami stabbing her arm and the march to Arlong Park.
[snapback]53222[/snapback]**She still died… Just off screen.. But what I tell you guys? If you don't want to suffer don't see the dub episode today. Yet you guys still see it... It baffles me.
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Heh well I thought Bellemere would be beaten up and taken to the same hospital as Kunia but oh well the dungeon is just as bad :lol:
OH NOEZ BELLEMERE GOT SENT TO A DUNGEON IN THE SHADOW REALM!!!!!!!!111111 (which is right next door to Kunia's hospital)
Everytime I hear Genzo I swear I'm trying to figure out if he's supposed to be German or Mexican. :lol:
Besides that I thought the edits were pretty funny. Oh no Bellemere was threatening Arlong with A BIG STICK! (At least that's what I saw)
But yeah the whole episode was crappy though. I mean when you think about it the dubbers must have been on crack when they decided to merge the two episodes together. Plus it doesn't really make anyone feel for Nami…
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Originally posted by Aethos@May 21 2005, 02:00 PM
Besides that I thought the edits were pretty funny. Oh no Bellemere was threatening Arlong with A BIG STICK! (At least that's what I saw)
[snapback]53228[/snapback]that big stick u saw was in matter infact a SHOVEL…
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About nami stabbing her self. If you heard the Doctor he said "Tatoo"
so it seems like its washable. So she might try rubbing it off with her own hands.So Nami went 8 years without that tatoo washing off? Well, knowing 4Kids logic, they'd still do that.