Code Geass

Malintex_Terek

Speculation time!

! 1. Anya is Lelouch's former fiancee/or knight.
2. Anya's parents were good friends of Marianne but they were killed in the same terrorist attack that killed Marianne.
3. Anya has been traumatize and is very distant to most as a result.
4. Anya discovers who Lelouch is and defects to the Black Knights.
5. Kallen is disheartened since she feels Lelouch found a substitute for her, and opts to stop resisting Britannia and just go live with her father.
6. Lelouch invades Britannia to get Kallen back.
7. Anya is jealous of Kallen and sees her as a rival.
8. Kallen later goes dere dere because her king came to rescue her.

IMV, given the spoilers on-hand, this is the most likely scenario!

AlmostLegendary

@Malintex_Terek:

Speculation time!

! 1. Anya is Lelouch's former fiancee/or knight.
2. Anya's parents were good friends of Marianne but they were killed in the same terrorist attack that killed Marianne.
3. Anya has been traumatize and is very distant to most as a result.
4. Anya discovers who Lelouch is and defects to the Black Knights.
5. Kallen is disheartened since she feels Lelouch found a substitute for her, and opts to stop resisting Britannia and just go live with her father.
6. Lelouch invades Britannia to get Kallen back.
7. Anya is jealous of Kallen and sees her as a rival.
8. Kallen later goes dere dere because her king came to rescue her.

IMV, given the spoilers on-hand, this is the most likely scenario!

ima pick 8 and 4 i think anya was to young to be a night.

Malintex_Terek

Side material info!

! For those of you still doubting that Anya (pink-haired Brittanian loli) is Marianne's clone or has something important to do with Lelouch's late mother, this is from the official Knights of the Round Geass novel:
! The words on the first page are "only those (memories) recorded are trustworthy."
! Anya feels there's something wrong about her memory. When she sees Ganymede…
"Ganymde, I knew its name from the data in army. It was the prototype of one of the candidates competing to become the mainstream in Britannian Forces. Since it lose the competition, Ganymede has become a dream mech. As for who developed it, the Ashford family, I have no memory of them. I don't recall hanging out with any person of that name. However, only records... photos are left in my cellphone's databank.
Old photos that I don't remember taking them.
(Note: It didn't say it's 1 photo or many photos.)
! And tears come out of her eyes when she operates Gynemede."
! ...
! Also, just to Round out the info (pun sorta intended, although awful), and to follow up on the Geass creator's love of putting all PERTINENT info in the side material rather then the show, the novel reveals some insight into Gino as well.
! "Gino believes in a philosophy that the weak are the ones whom have the right to fight and be Knights, since it all leads up to taking the lives of others. Because the end result of such ventures is killing, the weak can make up excuses to justify themselves and keep fighting, whereas the strong will eventually be crushed under the strain. Also his goofy Tamaki-esque personality is like R1 Suzaku, a fake. Its just a mask that he puts on to escape the strain, burden, and responsibility that is expected of him due to his position.

AlmostLegendary

@Malintex_Terek:

Side material info!

! For those of you still doubting that Anya (pink-haired Brittanian loli) is Marianne's clone or has something important to do with Lelouch's late mother, this is from the official Knights of the Round Geass novel:
! The words on the first page are "only those (memories) recorded are trustworthy."
! Anya feels there's something wrong about her memory. When she sees Ganymede…
"Ganymde, I knew its name from the data in army. It was the prototype of one of the candidates competing to become the mainstream in Britannian Forces. Since it lose the competition, Ganymede has become a dream mech. As for who developed it, the Ashford family, I have no memory of them. I don't recall hanging out with any person of that name. However, only records... photos are left in my cellphone's databank.
Old photos that I don't remember taking them.
(Note: It didn't say it's 1 photo or many photos.)
! And tears come out of her eyes when she operates Gynemede."
! ...
! Also, just to Round out the info (pun sorta intended, although awful), and to follow up on the Geass creator's love of putting all PERTINENT info in the side material rather then the show, the novel reveals some insight into Gino as well.
! "Gino believes in a philosophy that the weak are the ones whom have the right to fight and be Knights, since it all leads up to taking the lives of others. Because the end result of such ventures is killing, the weak can make up excuses to justify themselves and keep fighting, whereas the strong will eventually be crushed under the strain. Also his goofy Tamaki-esque personality is like R1 Suzaku, a fake. Its just a mask that he puts on to escape the strain, burden, and responsibility that is expected of him due to his position.

that didn't say she was the clone just more like some one been fucking with her head.

Malintex_Terek

Not my words, that entire spoiler text was stolen from another person's post.

captain usopp

so what exactly is this other side stuff, and where do you get it?

Malintex_Terek

kekekekeke…! This episode started off pretty funny.

...

OK, now I'm getting pissed off. Why is it that whenever Lelouch gets SOME KIND OF ADVANTAGE ANYWHERE it gets squatted away by Britannia? Huh?! This episode was ridiculous because -

! 1. Lelouch loses his technological advantage.
2. Lelouch loses the effectiveness of his Geass.
3. Lelouch's political gains are about to be lost.
4. Lelouch's identity is about to be compromised.

Bloody heck guys, crackers suck. :getlost:

captain usopp

I like the episodes better when they are about people, rather than politics.

at the beginning, i felt bad for lelouch, but oh, poor shirley. and why does the presedent want lelouch again?

AlmostLegendary

I don't think the president wanted lelouch.

Is VV betraying the emperor ? Because if he does his geass cancel bull shit at the school the students will remember nunally.

captain usopp

then why was she sad in the shower room? she wasn't even listening to shirley.

and I totally forgot about shirley's dad thing. So much damn stuff happens lol. hey, shirley will remember nunnally.

i wanna know what cornelia is up to.

AlmostLegendary

@captain:

then why was she sad in the shower room? she wasn't even listening to shirley.

and I totally forgot about shirley's dad thing. So much damn stuff happens lol. hey, shirley will remember nunnally.

i wanna know what cornelia is up to.

cornelia is trying to make Geass public knowledge so that Euphie is no longer known as the massacre queen.

captain usopp

ahh!! that's a great story angle. So I guess she doesn't care about britania any longer. What about Lelouch? Does she understand that he didn't mean for what happened?

Nobodyman

@captain:

ahh!! that's a great story angle. So I guess she doesn't care about britania any longer. What about Lelouch? Does she understand that he didn't mean for what happened?

I don't think so (and I doubt she'd care anyway). Also it seems Bartley has told her that the empire may destroy the world, so I'm sensing a defection pretty soon which would be awesome.

Anyway, I liked the most recent episode because I'm a fan of Lelouch/Shirley (and of course everything else was pretty good). However, this show is so f***ing tragic I'm betting at least one of them dies before the end. In fact, with the recent developments, I bet Shirley commits suicide in the next episode or two. I'm calling it.

…Yeah, sorry didn't mean to PMS on y'all, but as you can see this show really brings out the pessimist in me. But, inexplicably, I still love it, and I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode.

Malintex_Terek

I don't really find Geass tragic at all, if anything it is so comically inept at times the twists come off as funny instead of horrifying, as was the case when Euphemia massacred everyone.

I don't think Shirley is in any danger though…the worst that could happen is she gets written out of the plot like Milly was. The last thing Lelouch needs on top of his technology compromised, identity discovered, political gains stolen and Geass nullified is his close friend getting killed.

Silence

Cue Lelouch Geass powerup.

Nobodyman

@Malintex_Terek:

I don't really find Geass tragic at all, if anything it is so comically inept at times the twists come off as funny instead of horrifying, as was the case when Euphemia massacred everyone.

I respectfully, and anally, disagree.

@Malintex_Terek:

I don't think Shirley is in any danger though…the worst that could happen is she gets written out of the plot like Milly was. The last thing Lelouch needs on top of his technology compromised, identity discovered, political gains stolen and Geass nullified is his close friend getting killed.

Yeah, well that was pretty much a worst-case-scenario I came up with (and again, pessimism acting up). Another possibility is that he could use Sayako (the maid) to act his double while he appears as Zero and convince Shirley that he isn't Zero. But then again that won't account for the fact that Shirley saw him unmasked as Zero. Eh, I don't know. Guess we'll find out next episode.

AlmostLegendary

@captain:

ahh!! that's a great story angle. So I guess she doesn't care about britania any longer. What about Lelouch? Does she understand that he didn't mean for what happened?

I only thing that she knows geass had affected her lil sister. The information that VV had given Suzuka. I don't think it matters if it was meant to happen or not it happened and on top of that he killed her.

AlmostLegendary

@Malintex_Terek:

I don't really find Geass tragic at all, if anything it is so comically inept at times the twists come off as funny instead of horrifying, as was the case when Euphemia massacred everyone.

I don't think Shirley is in any danger though…the worst that could happen is she gets written out of the plot like Milly was. The last thing Lelouch needs on top of his technology compromised, identity discovered, political gains stolen and Geass nullified is his close friend getting killed.

I agree geass isn't really that tragic but I'm glad its not totally emo like that.

Nobodyman

All right I'll admit, Code Geass probably isn't quite as tragic as I said before, but it certainly does have its moments. A lot of the characters have had some really tragic backstories (though no more than the characters in One Piece I guess). Also, and call me crazy, but there's just something about the senseless slaughter of thousands of innocent people that just gets to me, even if it is just a show.

Of course, when look at it from a certain perspective, I guess Death Note is more tragic than CG. Not exactly a happy end for anyone there. Although we also don't know how CG is going to end.

Anyway, an interesting quote from the emperor in the last episode:

"Only fools wage war"

Hmm, he's one to talk. Not only is he battling the world, he's battling f***ing gods.

Malintex_Terek

@Nobodyman:

All right I'll admit, Code Geass probably isn't quite as tragic as I said before, but it certainly does have its moments. A lot of the characters have had some really tragic backstories (though no more than the characters in One Piece I guess). Also, and call me crazy, but there's just something about the senseless slaughter of thousands of innocent people that just gets to me, even if it is just a show.

I think Sunrise was trying to make Euphemia sympathetic, but their earlier portrayal of Euphemia as naive and stupid worked too well; her bedside moment Suzaku in particular was a "heck yeah" moment for me, since I was glad Lelouch bumped off another sibling and was ecstatic to see Suzaku torn up.

@Nobodyman:

Of course, when look at it from a certain perspective, I guess Death Note is more tragic than CG. Not exactly a happy end for anyone there. Although we also don't know how CG is going to end.

When I think tragic I don't really think of it as interesting characters who die unfairly, but characters who are the object of circumstances inhumanely terrifying and depressing. Mahoromatic was one such show, so much so that I'm afraid to watch it again and feel empty whenever I reflect over it.

Crossword

'Comically inept'… I'll buy that in a heartbeat. I mean, how was I supposed to take episode 23 seriously? It was like they were asking for it. It's like...it's like Code Geass has aspirations of trying to be this tour-de-force of emotion and circumstance, but ends up tripping over itself at every possible moment. I guess that's part of its own unique charm, if you will.

Nobodyman

@Malintex_Terek:

When I think tragic I don't really think of it as interesting characters who die unfairly

Well, to each his own I suppose. There are a lot of people who would debate you on that.

@Malintex_Terek:

but characters who are the object of circumstances inhumanely terrifying and depressing. Mahoromatic was one such show, so much so that I'm afraid to watch it again and feel empty whenever I reflect over it.

Yeah, I'd say quite a few characters from Code Geass would fall under that category. Oh, and I never heard of Mahoromatic, but I checked a synopsis and it sounds like an interesting show. But if it's depressing as you say it is I'll probably steer clear.

@Crossword:

'Comically inept'… I'll buy that in a heartbeat. I mean, how was I supposed to take episode 23 seriously? It was like they were asking for it. It's like...it's like Code Geass has aspirations of trying to be this tour-de-force of emotion and circumstance, but ends up tripping over itself at every possible moment. I guess that's part of its own unique charm, if you will.

Heh, yeah I guess you have a point there. I guess it would be more tragic if it wasn't so exaggerated. I mean what would prompt Lelouch to even say "kill all the Japanese" anyway? I suppose sometimes the tragedy and the circumstances surrounding it just seem ridiculous. Still, I do feel some sympathy for the charactes despite how silly it might be. After all, the Holocaust was pretty f***ing ridiculous.

Well, anyway I'm glad I started this discussion as its helping me put things in perspective and soothing my mind a bit. If no one wants to continue this we can drop it at any time.

Malintex_Terek

@Nobodyman:

Yeah, I'd say quite a few characters from Code Geass would fall under that category. Oh, and I never heard of Mahoromatic, but I checked a synopsis and it sounds like an interesting show. But if it's depressing as you say it is I'll probably steer clear.

I say this a lot, but I felt a piece of my soul died the day I finished Mahoromatic. It gets off to a lovely start, especially if you're a fan of comedy/love shows with a dash of sci-fi, but…the second season from about halfway through until the end is original but emotionally profound, and the ending is just...well, let's just say that Gainax didn't live down to its reputation following Evangelion.

I've seen a number of allegedly sad anime and have played sad visual novels but Mahoromatic stands out as a ;_; one for me. I'm basing an entire chapter in Myth of Draenor to changing Mahoromatic's ending.

@Nobodyman:

Heh, yeah I guess you have a point there. I guess it would be more tragic if it wasn't so exaggerated. I mean what would prompt Lelouch to even say "kill all the Japanese" anyway? I suppose sometimes the tragedy and the circumstances surrounding it just seem ridiculous. Still, I do feel some sympathy for the charactes despite how silly it might be. After all, the Holocaust was pretty f***ing ridiculous.

Lelouch's comment was so out of the blue I'm going to go out on a branch and speculate that he was Geass'd at one point into Geass-ing Euphemia. With Orange's new ability and armed with the spoilers for next week, not to mention knowledge of the Emperor's Geass, it could very well be Lelouch had a long dormant Geass on him that triggered at that moment.

@Nobodyman:

Well, anyway I'm glad I started this discussion as its helping me put things in perspective and soothing my mind a bit. If no one wants to continue this we can drop it at any time.

Oh, the more the merrier. We need more regulars in this topic. :happy:

Crossword

Hm, I'm not much of a fan of the 'revive villian as cyborg' motif, but I guess I'll be okay with Jeremiah as long as he's still as oddly amusing as he was in 24-25. Man, I so need to play catch up with the episodes of the last two weeks…

Anyway, some spoilers I've seen floating around involve ******* kicking the bucket, the Siegfried returning, Zero invading the Geass Cult's HQ, his Geass going crazy again, and a sketch of Rolo in a Black Knight pilot costume.

…What is up with R2 and its deja vu obsession? Run out of ideas?

Malintex_Terek

@Crossword:

Anyway, some spoilers I've seen floating around involve ******* kicking the bucket, the Siegfried returning, Zero invading the Geass Cult's HQ, his Geass going crazy again, and a sketch of Rolo in a Black Knight pilot costume.

I'm glad you censored that, I was too afraid to even bring up the spoilers here. Imagine the reaction when they were announced at like 3:00 AM PST and everyone was drowsy from having stayed up all night. I could hardly go to bed!

I've got a test next Monday so I don't know what I'm going to do. Knowing what I know I can't miss Geass R2 13, but…I need to study! :O

@Crossword:

…What is up with R2 and its deja vu obsession? Run out of ideas?

Sunrise apparently thinks it's cool to make references to the first series, but I see it as a thinly veiled effort to reboot the series after what happened in the previous season. Geass has always been at the mercy of fan polls, reaction coefficients and merchandise sales, it's a modern cash cow for Sunrise and they're not afraid to milk it, but they're conflicting with the ideas of the staff like Taniguchi and Okouchi who want to finish Geass with only the second season.

This conflict lead to the first season's sloppy development, and Geass R2's haphazard writing is an effort to connect the previous season to the current (with copious amounts of fanservice) and give it some coherence, since the original series IMV was supposed to be like Gurren-Lagann, terse and "not that deep" but the writers exploded all over so many sub-plots the show couldn't be finished in one season.

Such writing really hurts the series, I don't think people a few years from now will look back at Geass and find it the "best anime ever", unlike a show such as Planetes which I just started watching. Too much fan interference and product whoring on Sunrise's part, I think they ruined the "artistic" aspect of the show.

AlmostLegendary

@Malintex_Terek:

I'm glad you censored that, I was too afraid to even bring up the spoilers here. Imagine the reaction when they were announced at like 3:00 AM PST and everyone was drowsy from having stayed up all night. I could hardly go to bed!

I've got a test next Monday so I don't know what I'm going to do. Knowing what I know I can't miss Geass R2 13, but…I need to study! :O

Sunrise apparently thinks it's cool to make references to the first series, but I see it as a thinly veiled effort to reboot the series after what happened in the previous season. Geass has always been at the mercy of fan polls, reaction coefficients and merchandise sales, it's a modern cash cow for Sunrise and they're not afraid to milk it, but they're conflicting with the ideas of the staff like Taniguchi and Okouchi who want to finish Geass with only the second season.

This conflict lead to the first season's sloppy development, and Geass R2's haphazard writing is an effort to connect the previous season to the current (with copious amounts of fanservice) and give it some coherence, since the original series IMV was supposed to be like Gurren-Lagann, terse and "not that deep" but the writers exploded all over so many sub-plots the show couldn't be finished in one season.

Such writing really hurts the series, I don't think people a few years from now will look back at Geass and find it the "best anime ever", unlike a show such as Planetes which I just started watching. Too much fan interference and product whoring on Sunrise's part, I think they ruined the "artistic" aspect of the show.

yea I know what your saying. It's time for the story to progess and i think the anime is slated for 25 episodes and the way I see it is that it won't happen at the point we are at. Also

Crossword

In my experience, when an anime stalls its plot for too long, the resolution comes out poorly when it does into crunch mode. I'm not expecting great things from Code Geass in the story department anyway, but still…

Nobodyman

@Malintex_Terek:

I'm basing an entire chapter in Myth of Draenor to changing Mahoromatic's ending.

What's Myth of Draenor? Is that your own original work?

@Malintex_Terek:

Lelouch's comment was so out of the blue I'm going to go out on a branch and speculate that he was Geass'd at one point into Geass-ing Euphemia. With Orange's new ability and armed with the spoilers for next week, not to mention knowledge of the Emperor's Geass, it could very well be Lelouch had a long dormant Geass on him that triggered at that moment.

Hmm, well that's quite a theory. Although I think it would require an insane, and unrealistic, amount of forethought. But you never know.

@Malintex_Terek:

Oh, the more the merrier. We need more regulars in this topic. :happy:

Aw, well I'm glad to know that I'm welcome. I think I'm done with my schpeel now, but I will try to post regularly.

@Malintex_Terek:

Sunrise apparently thinks it's cool to make references to the first series, but I see it as a thinly veiled effort to reboot the series after what happened in the previous season. Geass has always been at the mercy of fan polls, reaction coefficients and merchandise sales, it's a modern cash cow for Sunrise and they're not afraid to milk it, but they're conflicting with the ideas of the staff like Taniguchi and Okouchi who want to finish Geass with only the second season.

Dang. Well I hope they finish it up this season. I would really like to see a resolution to all this fairly soon, plus I think 50 episodes is a good length for the show.

Malintex_Terek

Geass will end with this season, Taniguchi and Okouchi don't want to work on a third. You can bet though that Turn 24 + 25 are going to air half a year later just like the first season, though - we've already gotten one delay with the China earthquake matter, another might come along at any time.

@Nobodyman:

What's Myth of Draenor? Is that your own original work?

Yup. It's a story I'm going to write on fanfiction.net that I've spent the last five years planning, reading various shows and finding ideas I like. It'll be hosted on FF because it'll involve almost all the anime I've seen. I'm still scribbling out themes and ideas I want to explore though.

Nobodyman

@Malintex_Terek:

Geass will end with this season, Taniguchi and Okouchi don't want to work on a third. You can bet though that Turn 24 + 25 are going to air half a year later just like the first season, though - we've already gotten one delay with the China earthquake matter, another might come along at any time.

HALF A YEAR?! Man, that sucks monkey balls. Yeah, I didn't know the last two episodes of the last season were delayed. I started watching CG when it first premiered on AS. Is there a reason they delayed the last two episodes like that? And how sure are you that the last two of this season will be delayed?

@Malintex_Terek:

Yup. It's a story I'm going to write on fanfiction.net that I've spent the last five years planning, reading various shows and finding ideas I like. It'll be hosted on FF because it'll involve almost all the anime I've seen. I'm still scribbling out themes and ideas I want to explore though.

Sounds pretty good. I've written a few fanfics in my day, but nothing recently.

Malintex_Terek

@Nobodyman:

HALF A YEAR?! Man, that sucks monkey balls. Yeah, I didn't know the last two episodes of the last season were delayed. I started watching CG when it first premiered on AS. Is there a reason they delayed the last two episodes like that? And how sure are you that the last two of this season will be delayed?

First season of Geass was underfunded compared to the second, a ton more reused animation and the like. There were two "recap" episodes, 7.5 and 11.5 IIRC, that took up the slot for the last two episodes 24 + 25 and Sunrise "allegedly" didn't know they couldn't get the extra time but in my view it was planned from the start.

Geass ended in February 2007 and we didn't get 24 + 25 until around July, after they had been rewritten as a transition between R1 and R2.

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Also, vote in the character poll.

Nobodyman

@Malintex_Terek:

First season of Geass was underfunded compared to the second, a ton more reused animation and the like. There were two "recap" episodes, 7.5 and 11.5 IIRC, that took up the slot for the last two episodes 24 + 25 and Sunrise "allegedly" didn't know they couldn't get the extra time but in my view it was planned from the start.

Geass ended in February 2007 and we didn't get 24 + 25 until around July, after they had been rewritten as a transition between R1 and R2.

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Also, vote in the character poll.

Hmm, well I'm going to hold out hope that we won't have to wait half a year like last time. Also, what does IIRC mean?

Malintex_Terek

If I recall correctly.

captain usopp

what IS the emperor's geass? to erace memory?

Nobodyman

@Malintex_Terek:

If I recall correctly.

OK, thanks.

@captain:

what IS the emperor's geass? to erace memory?

Yes, I believe he can erase memories and create new ones, as he made Lelouch and everyone close to him forget about Nunnally and Zero, and make them think Rolo was Lelouch's brother.

Oh, and I saw the spoilers…yeah. I won't say anything now since I want to help keep this thread spoiler-free, but I'll have some choice words to say on Sunday.

AlmostLegendary

@captain:

what IS the emperor's geass? to erace memory?

I thought it was 2 rewrite memories

Malintex_Terek

I'm going to watch the raw and have horrible dreams this evening. Geass starts in five minutes.

Who's with me…?!

...

I JUST SAW IT. BIG SPOILERS TO FOLLOW -

! 1. ROLLO killed SHIRLEY.
2. Orange JOINS Lelouch. YEIS MAI LORDO!
3. Lelouch can re-Geass people after Jeremiah removes their Geass.
4. Shirley resisted Lelouch's second Geass and allowed herself to die.
5. Lelouch Geassed Shirley THREE TIMES and she still resisted.
6. V.V. gets FUDGED next week.
7. Cornelia was captured by V.V.

Nobodyman

! I called it. What'd I tell you? Tragic as hell. (Okay, she didn't commit suicide, but still). Well, Malinex Terek, I know how you said a piece of your sould died when you watched Mahoromatic, well that's how I feel now that Shirley is dead. I was hoping against hope that maybe it only appeared that she died, but it's pretty much set in stone.
! Anyway, I'm not totally convinced that Rolo is the killer as we didn't actually see him do it. Hope the subs come out soon, cause I wanna know WTF they were saying. I wanna know what Shirley's last words were and what the command that Lelouch gave her was. Lelouch looked really upset at any rate, as am I. Oh well, maybe tonight's new Venture Bros. will cheer me up.

Malintex_Terek

Please spoiler-tag that, I'm afraid for CU and Malcolm if they stumble in here and see those untagged.

As for my thoughts -

! Shirley's death wasn't that touching to me because Rollo killed her out of selfishness. It wasn't a misunderstanding or a panic attack, he was jealous of the thought of Nunnally coming back and taking his brother. That part removes it from the realm of tragedy for me and reduces it to just a plot twist.
! I wasn't expecting Rollo would do it though and not for those reasons.

Crossword

And it's my role to play the slowpoke, as I just finished playing catch up and watched 11-12 back to back. …Forty-five minutes of my life that shall never return.

I just watched the new opening on Youtube without sound, and the only thing I really got out of it is that the Lancelot and Guren get another Float Pack upgrade. And I also see that the 24-25 opening still haunts us. Here's hoping it sounds good.

captain usopp

although, i do agree that should be spoilered, i'm being bad today. :P

gg came out with the first sub on baka.com, but I can't download it. :( keeps freezing, and "failed download" with bit commet then my browser goes to that white screen, "i can't find anything"

guh. i wanna see. maybe if I go out and run a few errands, another group will have theirs up.

Nobodyman

Sorry, guess I'm not totally clear on the spoiler rules on this thread.

! Now I'm anxious to see the aftermath of all this in the next episode. Oh, and since I am/was a LelouchxShirley fan, I guess I'm LelouchxNo one now.
! Also, Jeremiah switching sides was really unexpected since he's hated Lelouch for so long. Him saying "Yes, your majesty" in English was awesome.

Malintex_Terek

General rule is don't talk about the material without spoiler tags until the subs have come out.

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On the opening...I don't think Kallen is going to betray the Black Knights, her loyalty bar is MAXIMUM even if her intelligence (top student yet dumb - sounds a lot like that girl Light went to school with) isn't that high. Unless the Emperor Geass-es her, she probably won't turn on Lelouch.

BUT, I'm guessing the Guren is gone now since there's that Britannian-inspired version of it in the opening with that horrible looking flight pack. I've seen pictures of Gundam SEED Destiny and those armaments look similar. It's also UNNECESSARY and everyone hates GSD so what.

I'm going to side with Mecha here and say that I liked the Geass fights when they were more tactical and less magic upgrade.

captain usopp

T_T I didn't like that. why is everything tragic.

Malintex_Terek

But, but!

YES, YOUR MAJESTY!

Don't forget Cornelia (and by extension Guilford) could join next week, and we already know Anya + Mordred and perhaps the Tristain + Gino become Black Knights, the show is finally starting to move somewhere!

Nobodyman

Well the subs are out on Youtube now

so I guess I won't use spoiler tags.

I was originally really upset about Shirley's death, but now that I've actually seen it and had a chance for it to sink in I feel a little better about it. I think this is actually a huge emotioal milestone for the series (I don't care what you say MT). Aside from the death of his mother, this is probably the most that Lelouch has been emotionally devastated, and you can bet things will pick up from here.

I can also take some comfort in the fact that I believe that Shirley, more or less, died happy. After everything she had gone through she realized the truth once again and was able to forgive Lelouch. She knew that she truly loved him and was able to confess her feelings and thus died without any regrets.

Of course I am still a little upset that she had to die and that my favorite pairing of the show will never happen, but hey you can't win 'em all.

Also, I feel really sorry for Shirley's mom. First she loses her husband, and then her daughter. Looks like its the end of the line for the Finnette family.

Malintex_Terek

I still don't find it tragic, but I have to agree with Nobodyman that brooding over it for a day has indeed made Shirley's death feel all the more painful. Especially since, with subs, we find out Shirley was totally dedicated to Lelouch and Rollo was just being a selfish arsehole when he killed her.

Lelouch was torn up, to say the least - he's gonna be an emotional wreck next week, I expect him to be as psychotic as Simon was after his brother died.

I was never really that interested in Shirley as a character but I warmed to her - I think Lelouch was much the same way, even if he never really loved her (if that guy is even capable of love) he clearly cared for her, moreso than any other female in the series. C.C. he has a weird old partner relationship with, Kallen has the lord/knight thing going on, but Lelouch really confided his personal concerns in Shirley and their love was the most pure.

Someone pointed out that each of Lelouch's "ladies" correspond to an aspect of his identity:

Lelouch vi Britannia - C.C.
Lelouch Lamperouge - Shirley
Zero - Kallen

With Shirley dead, "Lelouch Lamperouge" should cease to exist pretty soon, especially since Milly left the academy and there's no one left there except, well, Rivalz. Lelouch's Gefjun Disrupter set-up to take down Tokyo and Shirley's death seem to indicate the high school shenanigans are at an end.

AlmostLegendary

Please spoiler-tag that, I'm afraid for CU and Malcolm if they stumble in here and see those untagged.

As for my thoughts -

Thanx for that I would have been devastated to have gotten spoiled before I saw this episode.

I was never really that interested in Shirley as a character but I warmed to her - I think Lelouch was much the same way, even if he never really loved her (if that guy is even capable of love) he clearly cared for her, moreso than any other female in the series. C.C. he has a weird old partner relationship with, Kallen has the lord/knight thing going on, but Lelouch really confided his personal concerns in Shirley and their love was the most pure.

I felt the same way although I always wanted to see them end up together. I think Rolo may have some explaining to do but then again Geass is top sercet and he has shown in the past he will kill anyone who learns about Geass. Rolo is very selfish and I wonder if Lelouch will figure it out and I wonder what Lelouch has Jeremiah doing that is was a good twist I wasn't expectN him to end up changing sides but then it makes sense why he asked Rolo.

Malintex_Terek

OH MY GOSH!!

Incredible, I mean…last week was like petty cash compared to this. Xbox-sized spoilers have just surfaced, set for Turn 15 in two weeks. MONSTER SPOILERS I say!

Be wary everyone! Avoid the popular internet venues at all costs because you'll most likely regret it. Just…just dang. o_O

Crossword

The thought of the story actually going somewhere now is enough of a thought to floor me.