new chapter out on mangashare
Pretty good
new chapter out on mangashare
Pretty good
Mashiro owning was probably more interesting than Kensei standing there and crushing people like a monster. Female Kamen Rider > Man-Machine-Thing
Though I am thinking: with next week being "-100", will this be the end of the flashback arc? Dang…that means we're about to get back to...what's his name, the stereotypical hero idiot guy with the orange hair and those...other guys.
Well, this was a pretty good flashback, and I truly loved it. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing a bit more of the Aizen force vs. Soul Society captains and vice captains. I hope we don't just get Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra for like 4 months.
@Tokoro:
Though I am thinking: with next week being "-100", will this be the end of the flashback arc? Dang…that means we're about to get back to...what's his name, the stereotypical hero idiot guy with the orange hair and those...other guys.
ehmm…If you don´t like Ichigo then just don´t read the manga . and no, i don´t wanna start a discussion, cuz everyone has their own opinion (not all the mangas can be like OP :P )
well perhaps the Pendulum will be continued some other time IF it stops now^^
and I wanna see what happens with the "other guys" there :D
Isn't Pendulum gonna last another 100 chapters? Hence the countdown?
^well nobody really knows that - at least in the forums I read (or did i miss smthing? xD)
people are only guessing that it could be -100 or -98 or whatever
I think it´s quite possible that he´ll continue the story another time (cliffhanger again lol)
@ Tokoro Ataru: now I know why ur avatar is so familiar - I started to read Rosario+Vampire today lol. It´s quite a good manga (btw Kingofperve..– eh-- i mean Kingoffans :p u should check it out too if u haven´t yet ^^)
^well nobody really knows that - at least in the forums I read (or did i miss smthing? xD)
people are only guessing that it could be -100 or -98 or whatever
I think it´s quite possible that he´ll continue the story another time (cliffhanger again lol)@ Tokoro Ataru: now I know why ur avatar is so familiar - I started to read Rosario+Vampire today lol. It´s quite a good manga (btw Kingofperve..– eh-- i mean Kingoffans :p u should check it out too if u haven´t yet ^^)
I'm sure I'll get to it eventually:P
^I´m pretty sure about it , too xDDD
Back on topic
I´m pretty curious about the outcome of the fights (both in the past and future :D)
And I really wanna know who was behind these experiments :=)
^I´m pretty sure about it , too xDDD
Back on topic
I´m pretty curious about the outcome of the fights (both in the past and future :D)
And I really wanna know who was behind these experiments :=)
Here's a hint: A Fox-face and a glasses to contacts kinda guy.
There's a third unknown, though, who apparently carries an umbrella with them. Could be someone we've seen before or a new character.
So….I guess Kubo Tite is going to be at Comic-con.
Is anyone here going?
Spoilers are out:
-The one behind all the attacks of the "future Vizards" and turning them into Hollows: a member of Kensei's squad named Kaname Tousen. (it was sort of really out there but the spoiler pic does match the "masked member" from -104…everyone keeps saying Tousen is a Vizard but he was wearing it all that time, most likely wearing the goofy goggles to hide that he was blind) Tousen also has Bankai apparantly even at this point. (which probably explains why he was so easily promoted after this incident)
-The three behind everything were, of course, Aizen, Gin and Tousen.
-Nanao was a loli then...dang, considering she always looked older than even Lisa...its probably her hairstyle that makes her look like a middle-aged woman.
This is lame. How did Soul Society not find out about this?
I was hoping the flashback would've developed how those three formed their little evil gang
Very disappointed with this, though it did start out good. Hopefully next week won't be Ulquiorra vs Ichigo and the flashbacks continue
Somehow I was hoping we'd get something extremely unexpected or something that would hint at other matters in the present…but sadly that isn't happening. Apparantly Aizen, Gin and Tousen are the problem for everything and the series will end either when they're stopped...or what they're trying to change is changed. Meh.
Ugh… Sounds pretty trashy. I was really enjoying this flashback too. So its over then? What happened to Shinji and the others?
EDIT : Few other things. I guess Hiyori turns into a hollow and slashes Shinji, but doesn't KO him. Love is KO'd.
Well, with this, it's gonna be pretty damn ridiculous if it leaves off.
@Tokoro:
Nanao was a loli then
Would've been much better if it was the Vizards facing off with Aizen instead of Soul Society
cause now the Vizard are DEFINITELY gonna come and there's gonna be a clusterfuck of characters in one spot
But maybe the flashbacks will get expanded on if the vizards fight the espada
Didn't we already see Nanao briefly in -103? She was part of Squad 12. Could just be a look-alike, though.
@Fire Fist:
Didn't we already see Nanao briefly in -103? She was part of Squad 12. Could just be a look-alike, though.
That wasn't Nanao. That was Mayuri's unnamed assistant.
She's the one in the first panel on the top right.
Truth be told, I expected the evil trio (then again, who didn't?) to be behind the whole Hollowizing…
The thing that I'm curious about is... How did they do it without the Hogyoku? I'd assume that Urahara wouldn't be like, 'Oh, yes, you want to cause some mind-losing, body-altering, evil-type chaos? HERE YOU GO AIZEN/GIN/TOSEN.' This is, of course, assuming it's even been invented yet...
I have two theories:
1.) It was stolen (I doubt this, though. It can't be that simple... Not in Bleach. :-p)
2.) If he did lend them the Hogyoku, Urahara has some sort of motive with 'allying' with our favourite megalomaniacs, but didn't want to take it as far as it went.
Personally, I hope neither of these happened. I really really want a cool explanation of the Hollowization process, especially considering that they're not full hollows (IE: No holes).
I wonder if Urahara invented the Hogyoku for the sole purpose to change the guys back to normal.
Whoa, Ivotas, that makes so much sense it's scary! Nice idea.
well this proves that the vizard arn't evil just another group fucked over by aizen.
I was thinking that too, but it's antithetical in the whole purpose of said device. So, it's confusing the hell outta me.
Still, keen observation, Ivotas. ;-)
Great chapter for me. Even though everyone kenw Tousen was with Aizen, I like the fact that he had been introduced about 3 or 4 chapters ago without us realizing it. Good twist. Did it seem like Captain Kyouraku might have suspected Aizen? Anyway, I'd like an explanation as to how Aizen escaped detection without being exposed as being evil for so long.
My only real complaint about this chapter is that every problem in this world seems to be connected to those three. (though I liked Kubo introducing Tousen without us suspecting it was Tousen) With all he's tied to (creating Vizard, artificially creating Arrancar, fooling Soul Society and Urahara, trying to "stand in the heaven" and enter the King Dimension), I wouldn't be surprised if he's also tied to global warming, the oil crisis or why Miley Cyrus is popular. (though the last one has been proven by Hueco Mundo Cup)
@SuNa:
Truth be told, I expected the evil trio (then again, who didn't?) to be behind the whole Hollowizing…
The thing that I'm curious about is... How did they do it without the Hogyoku? I'd assume that Urahara wouldn't be like, 'Oh, yes, you want to cause some mind-losing, body-altering, evil-type chaos? HERE YOU GO AIZEN/GIN/TOSEN.' This is, of course, assuming it's even been invented yet...
I have two theories:
1.) It was stolen (I doubt this, though. It can't be that simple... Not in Bleach. :-p)
2.) If he did lend them the Hogyoku, Urahara has some sort of motive with 'allying' with our favourite megalomaniacs, but didn't want to take it as far as it went.Personally, I hope neither of these happened. I really really want a cool explanation of the Hollowization process, especially considering that they're not full hollows (IE: No holes).
It's pretty obvious that it's either Gin or Aizen's Bankai that causes the transformation. Notice that nothing happened to the afflicted until they were stabbed by a Zanpakuto. Since we already know Tousen's Bankai, that rules him out.
I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, I WAS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING….........why I'm I typing in caps, anyway, I knew that bastard had this crap going on from way back then!
@Fire Fist:
It's pretty obvious that it's either Gin or Aizen's Bankai that causes the transformation. Notice that nothing happened to the afflicted until they were stabbed by a Zanpakuto. Since we already know Tousen's Bankai, that rules him out.
If it is a bankai effect, it's probably Aizen's. He's got his sword out and Hiyori just got stabbed
besides, this would give Ichigo that important advantage in their inevitable fight
Aizen : BANKAI
Stabs ichigo
Aizen : mruahaha, your a full hollow
Ichigo laughs because he can already control his full hollow form
Those three do all the evil in the story I notice even though it was a 100 years back even. Also how do the eight Vizards survive anyhow?
Those three do all the evil in the story I notice even though it was a 100 years back even. Also how do the eight Vizards survive anyhow?
Two words: Kisuke Urahara.
Two words: Kisuke Urahara.
QFT. The most probable answer is that Tessai, Yoruichi and Urahara worked together to cheat and force Urahara to develop his Bankai. His Bankai, in turn, does something the exact opposite of the transformation that Aizen's Bankai supposedly does. This got them banned from Soul Society (Vaizards too, because they were considered tainted), and thus we're to the point in the present where we are now in Bleach.
I think he'll just use the Hôgyoku to take control over their Hollow form (that thing was said to break down the barrier), tell the Vizards to leave Soul Society, and is forced to leave afterwards.
I don't think any Bankai has to do with it.
…neither do I think that a Bankai turned them into Hollows in the first place. Since Tousen was wearing some sort of gas mask, I think there's a substance that turns you Hollow.
@Fire Fist:
QFT. The most probable answer is that Tessai, Yoruichi and Urahara worked together to cheat and force Urahara to develop his Bankai. His Bankai, in turn, does something the exact opposite of the transformation that Aizen's Bankai supposedly does. This got them banned from Soul Society (Vaizards too, because they were considered tainted), and thus we're to the point in the present where we are now in Bleach.
No offense, but this is one of the dumbest strategies I've ever heard of. Urahara is a scientist, which with Mayuri is a big rarity at Soul Society. For a grave situation as this one, you'd rather want them to develop a scientific solution for the problem and not a combat skill (which Bankai without a doubt is).
No offense, but this is one of the dumbest strategies I've ever heard of. Urahara is a scientist, which with Mayuri is a big rarity at Soul Society. For a grave situation as this one, you'd rather want them to develop a scientific solution for the problem and not a combat skill (which Bankai without a doubt is).
Bankai isn't a fighting ability, it's the final release of their weapon that invokes supernatural powers. Granted, you'd THINK they'd develop a scientific solution to their problems, but what's scientific about a giant, pus/poison-dripping baby, or the ability to turn one's self into an amorphous blob when stabbing oneself with their own weapon? Bleach is a supernatural series; as such, it has supernatural elements that defy the laws of science. Their technology is a mix of pseudo-science and supernatural. It's not pure science. Furthermore, Kido is magic, an element that in itself seems extremely powerful in the Bleach World. We've seen supernatural and psuedo-science mixed together, so why not all three?
The mere fact that Mayuri's special ability in his sword can cause a physical mutation should have been a clue to the nature of Urahara's Benihime. Like protege, like teacher, you know.
Lastly, Kensei didn't change until he was stabbed. Same with Hiyori. And when we see Aizen, he has his Zanpakuto drawn. That mask Tousen was wearing wasn't a gas mask; it was just a mask to hide his identity.
@Tokoro:
My only real complaint about this chapter is that every problem in this world seems to be connected to those three.
Um, thats the reason for these flashbacks! Aizen, Gin and Tousen are the catalyst behind the bitterness among the shinigami.
Kubo Tite has "taken us back to a brief moment in time, opening the window to not all but just enough…Highlighting only key moments and passing over most others..."
Many people shouldn't be expecting some huge deep sob story, unforseen twists in these flashbacks.
I was just hoping this flashback explained to us why Aizen was so fucked up
Plus, those three guys who were doing the experiments couldn't have been Aizen, Gin and Tousen. I'm starting to think it was Yoruichi, Urahara and Tessai at this point.
I agree that Kisuke Urahara will save the day.
Um, thats the reason for these flashbacks! Aizen, Gin and Tousen are the catalyst behind the bitterness among the shinigami.
Kubo Tite has "taken us back to a brief moment in time, opening the window to not all but just enough…Highlighting only key moments and passing over most others..."
Many people shouldn't be expecting some huge deep sob story, unforseen twists in these flashbacks.
Look, as I saw it, I sort of imagined that while some of what was going on was going to be linked to Aizen, there was going to be something unexpected none of us would realize that would all connect back to the present (no matter who was behind it and how it happened). Instead, all we're getting was the obvious: Aizen, Gin and Tousen then, same now. It is rather simplistic.
Yep, we expected this.
@Fire Fist:
Bankai isn't a fighting ability, it's the final release of their weapon that invokes supernatural powers.
The sole purpose of a weapon is to be used in aggressive attacks which are a core element of a fight, a Bankai wouldn't be anything different.
If the mutation problem could be solved with a mere Bankai, then there's far more then enough Death Gods you could ask for help, or even train to develop one. You don't need Urahara to do so.
Think back of why Urahara and Yoruichi helped Ichigo grow. Urahara freed his inner hollow in order to return Death God powers to Ichigo so that he could fight at Soul Society. Yoruichi helped Ichigo to develop Banka so that he would stand a chance against Byakuya. If you however want a solution to a mutation process and you've got a scientist around you then of course you'd ask him to find a scientific solution for the problem.
Lastly, Kensei didn't change until he was stabbed. Same with Hiyori. And when we see Aizen, he has his Zanpakuto drawn. That mask Tousen was wearing wasn't a gas mask; it was just a mask to hide his identity.
I'd be a little more reserved on what turned them into a hollow. Apparently the other guys of Kensei's squad got stabbed to and yet they didn't turn into hollows.
Well at least back then Gin was only a kid which was the only difference pretty much.
Tousen's hair was kinda funky back in the day, I see.
Yeah, I was expecting some surprising reveal as well and now I'm dissapointed, but I'll see this flashback to the end until I pass any judgement. At least it had a bunch of great moments, I especially loved the humorous bits.
The sole purpose of a weapon is to be used in aggressive attacks which are a core element of a fight, a Bankai wouldn't be anything different.
If the mutation problem could be solved with a mere Bankai, then there's far more then enough Death Gods you could ask for help, or even train to develop one. You don't need Urahara to do so.
Think back of why Urahara and Yoruichi helped Ichigo grow. Urahara freed his inner hollow in order to return Death God powers to Ichigo so that he could fight at Soul Society. Yoruichi helped Ichigo to develop Banka so that he would stand a chance against Byakuya. If you however want a solution to a mutation process and you've got a scientist around you then of course you'd ask him to find a scientific solution for the problem.
That's not true. Tousen's Bankai, for example, creates absolute sensory deprivation. That's not an offensive, that's a defensive. And I seriously doubt that Unohana's Bankai OR Shikai (which we haven't seen either) have anything to do with combat. You can't just assume that all Bankai are offensive.
The whole point was that only people with extremely high spiritual pressure could take the transformation. Those that couldn't evaporated, which is what soul society found unusual. Meaning, those of Vice Captain or Greater Level would survive, the majority would not.
Second, it was most likely a last minute situation that needed to be resolved. Assuming that Urahara didn't have his Bankai yet, it was a last minute conscious decision Urahara could have taken to save Hiyori and all of Soul Society. He didn't have time to train someone. Just using a cheat method to develop Bankai without a legitimate reason is pointless. Using it for a crisis such as this makes perfect sense.
I'd be a little more reserved on what turned them into a hollow. Apparently the other guys of Kensei's squad got stabbed to and yet they didn't turn into hollows.
Those guys were killed by Tousen. That's why. Aizen was probably the one that stabbed Kensei and the others that did change. The Aizen Kyoraku saw was very obviously his Shikai.
@Fire Fist:
And I seriously doubt that Unohana's Bankai OR Shikai (which we haven't seen either) have anything to do with combat.
I thought we did see it. It was that giant whale thingy that heals people when it swallows them.
I thought we did see it. It was that giant whale thingy that heals people when it swallows them.
No, that's her release. That's neither her Shikai nor her Bankai. And it's a Manta Ray… more or less.
Unohona is going to rape someone…....
@Fire Fist:
That's not true. Tousen's Bankai, for example, creates absolute sensory deprivation. That's not an offensive, that's a defensive. And I seriously doubt that Unohana's Bankai OR Shikai (which we haven't seen either) have anything to do with combat. You can't just assume that all Bankai are offensive.
Last time I checked defensive is also part of a combat so my point still stands.
The whole point was that only people with extremely high spiritual pressure could take the transformation. Those that couldn't evaporated, which is what soul society found unusual. Meaning, those of Vice Captain or Greater Level would survive, the majority would not.
Second, it was most likely a last minute situation that needed to be resolved. Assuming that Urahara didn't have his Bankai yet, it was a last minute conscious decision Urahara could have taken to save Hiyori and all of Soul Society. He didn't have time to train someone. Just using a cheat method to develop Bankai without a legitimate reason is pointless. Using it for a crisis such as this makes perfect sense.
Sorry but I don't really get what you're trying to say. I fail to see why a Bankai would be needed to change transformed hollows back to Death Gods. With all that we've seen in Bleach Bankai have always been considered helpful in taking strong opponents down. It simply doesn't make sense to go "we need to change them back! Kisuke, learn Bankai to do so!" If they'd go "damn, we're losing to many Captains to quick! Kisuke, learn Bankai in order to surive!" then it would make sense with what Bleach represents.
Those guys were killed by Tousen. That's why. Aizen was probably the one that stabbed Kensei and the others that did change. The Aizen Kyoraku saw was very obviously his Shikai.
Wow, you say that as if it was some sort of fact. If you assume that Aizen was there from the beginning that it could aswell have been him who stabbed everyone. At the same time it could have been Tosen who stabbed everyone. Don't say it as if it is set in stone that the minors where stabbed by Tosen, while the big players were stabbed by Kensei. It's a fair assumption but it's not a proven fact so far.
@Fire Fist:
No, that's her release. That's neither her Shikai nor her Bankai. And it's a Manta Ray… more or less.
Wait a second. Isn't a release a Shikai?
Yes, shikai is the "first release". I don't know if the Manta Ray is her shikai or bankai, but it's definitely not the plain form of her sword.