I like Naruto and One Piece.
Naruto Discussion V [Re-Re-Redux]
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I like Naruto and One Piece.
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@Tokoro:
For example, I imagine Miss Golden Week (or as the dub called her, "Miss April Fool") probably studied at the "Bob Ross School of Emotional Paints" and thus why she can change moods with just a stroke of a brush. (she is the only non-DF of the main agents anyway…well there is Mr. 4 but he had Lasso)
I took it as her paint set had a devil fruit or whatever. So she was same as Mr. 4. Herself personally wasn't imbued with a devil fruit but she had an item that had a devil fruit.
Or was I mistaken. Cause I swear Vivi said all 0-5 had Devil fruits and the weird paint I could only explain by having it be a devil fruit.
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@Tokoro:
He's out to sea, against the World Govenrment, does occasional looting, has a Jolly Roger and grog. What more do you need?
Scurvy.
people love One Piece cos it doesn't use pseudo-science
But it still uses science.
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I took it as her paint set had a devil fruit or whatever. So she was same as Mr. 4. Herself personally wasn't imbued with a devil fruit but she had an item that had a devil fruit.
Or was I mistaken. Cause I swear Vivi said all 0-5 had Devil fruits and the weird paint I could only explain by having it be a devil fruit.
Nope. Oda said in an SBS (volume 23, according to the One Piece Wikia) that her paint attacks were a form of hypnosis, not a Devil Fruit power or a DF power that belongs to her paint set.
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@Sandai:
Scurvy.
Dunno if you are being sarcastic or not but Yosaku had scurvy. The reason they don't get it is because Sanji gives them a healthy meal.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@ultimateclima:
Dunno if you are being sarcastic or not but Yosaku had scurvy. The reason they don't get it is because Sanji gives them a healthy meal.
He got you there.
LOVE AND PEACE
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Or they're getting their Vitamin C from Nami's oranges.
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What if Naruto was titled "The Kohana Chronicles", and One Piece was just titled "Luffy"?
Where would we all be then..? =[
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@Lobster:
What if Naruto was titled "The Kohana Chronicles
Naruto critics wouldn't have a phrase to use on obsessed fanboys.
@Lobster:
One Piece was just titled "Luffy"?
Where would we all be then..? =[[/QUOTE]
People outside of Japan would discriminate against it even worse than do now
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The Kohona chronicles is actually a better title than naruto
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You guys mean Konoha right? Or does Kohona mean something? Sounds Hawaiian.
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I didn't even realize til now Lobster spelled Konoha wrong.
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You are insane
Ko-no-ha sounds waaay more Hawaiian.
atleast ko-ha-na sounds the way it's pronounced.
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^Sure I'am Kohana Montana.
The Kohona chronicles is actually a better title than naruto
Makes it sound Newspaper esque.
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Maybe a NINJA Newspaper
Being circulated in a Ninja Village.
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and then Naruto became the NES game paperboy.
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Put up a video of Dexter's Laboratory Episode "Paper Route Bout" if there were a video.
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I Am He Who Types Wrong
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@Lobster:
Well, that is what they do. (or atleast try to)
Him to pirate. And since when does Luffy engage in "looting"?If you say Sky Piea, then I will bring up the criminal "stealing" free ketchup packets analogy, when the store is offering out free hamburgers. Taking something that's free is being a failure at a thief if anything.
I don't hate how Oda writes the story or anything, but still.. Luffy is no closer to being a pirate (in real life), then Naruto is to being a ninja (in real life).
Thriller Bark. Well they would have if Perona didn't load all of it onto Sunny herself.
And even if he gave half of it to the villagers they did technically steal from Buggy as he counted Nami as a crewmember back then.
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Since when does taking something already pirated from other Pirates count as "pirating"?
And even if you do count that (even though it doesn't count) it's still pretty sad that those are the only instances, out of 10 hundred thousand chapters.
Plus if you go by that, then Nami is technically the only pirate. But then again, she didn't call herself one when she did that for a living.
Nami said she was just a "Pirate Thief" and would never be a pirate, back then. -
You read the romance dawn chapter(s) right? There (in one of them atleast) Luffy wanted to become a pirate that attacks other pirates instead of civilians. That pretty much carried over to One Piece.
And why doesn't booty stolen from other pirates count?
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Luffy wanted to become a pirate that attacks other pirates instead of civilians.
When did he specify that he wanted to "attack other pirates" as his goal? And if he did that he's not even pirating. He's pirate hunting.
And why doesn't booty stolen from other pirates count?
Since Nami said it didn't
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@Lobster:
When did he specify that he wanted to "attack other pirates" as his goal? And if he did that he's not even pirating. He's pirate hunting.
He was explaining about 2 types of pirates. Maines and something else i believe.
Since Nami said it didn't http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1716/fgodotlm9.gif
That's out of context. Nami considered herself a thief instead of a pirate and that stealing from pirates wasn't against the law since they were criminals. That doesn't make the act any less "pirate" and it is still stealing, just not in the eyes of the law.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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He was explaining about 2 types of pirates. Maines and something else i believe.
explain..
That's out of context. Nami considered herself a thief instead of a pirate and that stealing from pirates wasn't against the law since they were criminals. That doesn't make the act any less "pirate" and it is still stealing, just not in the eyes of the law.
The law defines what a pirate is. Or you could go by its actual definition.
Either way, Luffy doesn't pirate anything.
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@Lobster:
explain..
In the one shot collection "wanted" (can be downloaded via KEFI or Null scanlation groups) there is a prequel to One Piece where Luffy explains to Anne (a Nami look-a-like) about 2 kinds of pirates. He says he is looking for Peace Mains to join their crew.
Anne:"Piece Main?"
Luffy: "It's a type of pirate."
"Pirate crews like this one who just pillage are called "Morganeers." Pirates who adventure by feeding on Morganeers are called "Peace Mains."
"I'm going to be a piece main".Obviously Odaverse definition of Piracy differs from Lobsterverse definition.
Or you could go by its actual definition.
Which is as far as I know "robbery at sea".
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-Luffy obviously just made up the "Piece Man" thing, because she even didn't know what it was. (maybe)
-Even if that is a type of Pirate, he's still not "pirating" anything
-The One Piece world defining that as pirating is just like the Naruto world defining what being a ninja is. So Luffy in the real world, Luffy is even farther away from being a pirate then Naruto is from being a ninja in the real world
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He was explaining about 2 types of pirates. Maines and something else i believe.
Peace Main and Morgania, Peace Main being the type Luffy told Silk he was a candidate to become.
EDIT: woops, you already said it.
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@LPS,
Nope, Shanks was one and thats why Luffy mentioned it. Because he wanted to become like Shanks.
As for Naruto Uzumaki,….no offense to the series but he FAILS, at almost everything. -
But still. (never read "Wanted")
People are saying that Naruto isn't a ninja. Well he is defined as one in his world. Just like Luffy is defined as one in his own.
But in reality, neither of them would be either in the real world. Yet both are in their own.
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He doesn't have any authorisation from any government or law enforcement and seizes property that doesn't belong to him (with out the intention of ever returning that property to previous or rightful owner).
How is that not criminal?
Nevermind. You just decided that was the case and debating with you about it is like beating ones head against the wall.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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seizes property that doesn't belong to him (with out the intention of ever returning that property to previous or rightful owner).
When does Luffy ever do this?
How is that not criminal?
I never said that he wasn't a criminal. I said that he doesn't "pirate" anything. Luffy IS a terrorist to the government and DOES brake laws. However he still personally doesn't pirate anything.
This whole thing was brought up because people were saying that Naruto isn't a ninja. Well he is in his world just as Luffy is classified as a pirate in his own.
debating with you about it is like beating ones head against the wall.
Debating with you is like sharpening ones own spinal cord into a decompressed paper shredder.
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then define piracy lobster.
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@Lobster:
I never said that he wasn't a criminal. I said that he doesn't "pirate" anything. Luffy IS a terrorist to the government and DOES brake laws. However he still personally doesn't pirate.
From what I've studied, back in england during the pirating times, (forgot which century) even raising the Jolly Roger was reason enough to be jailed or executed.
Same goes in the OP world.
The marines don't give a damn who Luffy steals from, he proclaims himself a pirate, has a ship, reasonable fighting power, crew members and is therefore a pirate that needs to be executed.
End of discussion.Also, both of you, no insults.
It's the internet and if you think you can completely change someones opinions over it, just like that, then you're delusional.
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From what I've studied, back in england during the pirating times, (forgot which century) even raising the Jolly Roger was reason enough to be jailed or executed.
Same goes in the OP world.
The marines don't give a damn who Luffy steals from, he proclaims himself a pirate, has a ship, reasonable fighting power, crew members and is therefore a pirate that needs to be executed.I agree. Luffy is a pirate. However I was using the word "pirating" as a verb and not a noun. The old definition of pirating would be "One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation".
While the definition of ninjas would be "Japanese mercenary agents who were trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage."My whole point was towards the people saying that Luffy is a pirate, but Naruto isn't a ninja.
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@Lobster:
I agree. Luffy is a pirate. However I was using the word "pirating" as a verb and not a noun. The old definition of pirating would be "One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation".
While the definition of ninjas would be "Japanese mercenary agents who were trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage."My whole point was towards the people saying that Luffy is a pirate, but Naruto isn't a ninja.
The sovereign nation would be the World Government and the Marines. So, since he's obviously not a Shichibukai, "anything" he plunders, whether it be from another pirate or from a civilian counts as pirating or plundering, whatever. The way you were posting a few minutes ago, made it look like you were saying Luffy isn't a pirate.
But yeah, Naruto Uzumaki isn't exactly a ninja, but the ANBU certainly are. He wears BRIGHT orange clothes!
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The sovereign nation would be the World Government and the Marines. So, since he's obviously not a Shichibukai, "anything" he plunders, whether it be from another pirate or from a civilian counts as pirating or plundering,
Luffy doesn't steal from other pirates though..
But yeah, Naruto Uzumaki isn't exactly a ninja, but the ANBU certainly are. He wears BRIGHT orange clothes!
How is that covert?Well the color of your clothes doesn't define you as being a ninja.. It's just "a member of a class of Japanese mercenary agents who are trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage".
But then again there is also the non class system "Ninjitsu" art that people can still learn today.
In short, Naruto is a story about ninjas with with fantasy elements thrown in, as One Piece is a story about pirates with fantasy elements thrown in. huzzah
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Naruto has about the worst ninja ever
I'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING USEFUL BUT I NEED TO SAVE MY BUDDY WHO RAN AWAY WITH A GIANT SNAKE
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@Lobster:
Luffy doesn't steal from other pirates though..
Well the color of your clothes doesn't define you as being a ninja.. It's just "a member of a class of Japanese mercenary agents who are trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage".He sorta did in Thriller bark.
It does. How on earth can you be stealthy while dressed in bright orange?
Darker colors, shades of green like the jonin or ANBU clothes are more ninja then Naruto Uzughmaki can ever be. -
He sorta did in Thriller bark.
No he didn't
It does. How on earth can you be stealthy while dressed in bright orange?
Darker colors, shades of green like the jonin or ANBU clothes are more ninja then Naruto Uzughmaki can ever be. Regardless, it's not part of the definition. So therefore it is not a qualification. -
@Lobster:
No he didn't
Regardless, it's not part of the definition. So therefore it is not a qualification.It'll give him major minus-points for stealth.
He'd sorta be a ninja, but a FAILURE OF A NINJA. -
Yes, I do agree that he's not very good.
If he actually becomes Hokage at the end of the series, then Kishi will have completely lowered the standards for becoming one.
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@Lobster:
Yes, I do agree that he's not very good.
If he actually becomes Hokage at the end of the series, then Kishi will have completely lowered the standards for becoming one.
Without that best inside him, he would be a zero threat.I think he'd probably die alongside SASGAAAY!
Neiji is a way better candidate for Hokage, and thats assuming Kakashi can't be persuaded.But, him having the beast also had the drawback that he couldn't control the finer points of his jutsu and could only use jutsu involving sheer force (sheer leeching off kyubi).
Without Kyubi, his dad Minato would've still been there to teach him majorly kickass moves, so I dunno. -
So what is up in Naruto last chapter I read it was the old uchiha s**t spreading all over
(Basically Sasuke being alive due to some pulled of the ass trick)
Also about the corrent debate I think people should have learned that there isn't much health in making an argument with LPS
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I think people should have learned that there isn't much health in responding to LPS
I'm pretty sure that was unnessesary, as I said nothing unreasonable.@Darkariel:
So what is up in Naruto last chapter I read it was the old uchiha s**t spreading all over
(Basically Sasuke being alive due to some pulled of the ass trick)
Yes, he does seem to have a lot.
(It would be hillarious if Sasuke somehow ended up becoming the Hokage)
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@Lobster:
I'm pretty sure that was unnessesary, as I said nothing unreasonable.Yes, he does seem to have a lot.
(It would be hillarious if Sasuke somehow ended up becoming the Hokage)Surprisingly enough, I like Sasuke, much more then naruto.
No, I find him utterly unattractive, to rule out any future fangirl comments, but I like how he's a silent and dark, good guy.
He's not evil, but unlike most heroes isn't all Son Goku over and over again.Maybe he could?
After killing Itachi, he might, just might be pardoned.@Darkariel,
That was uncalled for and inaccurate.
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He didn't kill Itachi at least from my understanding of the situation.
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@Sandai:
He didn't kill Itachi at least from my understanding of the situation.
Not quite yet.
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If Naruto abandoned the leaf village(way before the first chapter and episode) and Gaara left the sand village and meant up with each other, I wonder if they would join forces like Zabuza and Haku?
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If Naruto abandoned the leaf village(way before the first chapter and episode) and Gaara left the sand village and meant up with each other, I wonder if they would join forces like Zabuza and Haku?
Are you kidding?
Gaara would strangle him at the very first "Dattebayo". -
If Naruto abandoned the leaf village(way before the first chapter and episode) and Gaara left the sand village and meant up with each other, I wonder if they would join forces like Zabuza and Haku?
Doubt that for two reasons
1. Gaara usually liked to work alone
2. Naruto was not yet able to use or was aware of Kyuubi's chakra until
Haku & Jiraiya came along.
