Well, Luffy still hasn't completely mastered Second Gear since extreme fatigue sets in after he uses said technique. So, I'm hoping that he does before Oda-Sensei decides to instill a new Gear.
Gears- How far will oda take luffy
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@Sea:
Well, Luffy still hasn't completely mastered Second Gear since extreme fatigue sets in after he uses said technique. So, I'm hoping that he does before Oda-Sensei decides to instill a new Gear.
how do u adapt to something which does nothing but overexert yourself.
it's like people from years back arguing that rock lee can get used to opening of gates. it's called overexerting urself, pushing ur physical strength to near its limits, and its stress will always be proportional to your physical capability. you get stronger and fitter, u get more powerful with the powerups/gear2/gate opening, that's all, u don't get used to it.
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In classical physics the equation is exactly the same Ec=mv² if you prefer, I'm french and I was not sure you also used the "v" in your equation in US, because we use it for "vitesse" wich means speed but I presume you use the word velocity for it???.
2KE = mv2, u're just calculating energy, in joules, u're not calculating force, which is in newtons
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@ero_seinen:F=ma is to calculate forces due to attraction (gravitation force, but not only, also atoms forces, magnetic forces etc…)
F=MA is for all acceleration, force in newtons in the form of mass in grams and acceleration in m/s2.
sheesh.
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how do u adapt to something which does nothing but overexert yourself.
With Constant use, look at how Son Goku adapted to the strain of Supa Saiya-Jin. He thought up a training regemine where Son Gohan and himself would remain in a powered up state for extended periods of time. That way his body would adapt to the stress of said transformation and he would be able to draw out more power with less negative consequence.
I personally do not believe that Luffy used Second Gear to it's full potential. There was simply to much stress put on his body. With enough conditioning, one can get used to almost anything.
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If we analyse the gears, what can we say…
Gear 1 - Normal statement - Luffy is
( due to his DF and abilities ) a medium range fighter. Let's say he has the same level in speed, strength, and power.Gear 2 - Luffy is faster, by boosting is heart to bring the blood faster to his muscles. So luffy gain in speed.
( human are using 15% of his muscles because of the heart rate, oxygens can not be burn fast enough to use more, flies use 95% of there muscles, because they have holes in there skin that bring the oxygen directly in the muscles. )
Gear 3 - Luffy is stronger, bigger, but also slower, by adding air in is bones.
If he can use together gear 2 and 3 he can gain in power, because as E=mc² (E energy, power is the product of m the mass by square c the celerity, speed) so if he can be twice faster in gear 3 he will be 2² = 4 times more powerful .Gear 4 ? - The only thing left is hardness… to resist more from strong attacks. So the vulcanization like said before is a good option for luffy ( I first though that gear 2 was vulcanization, because there was smoke from him)
BUT!!! vulcanization is not due to rubber only... you have to had soufre and fire!!!
The question is, are DF allow you to have the abilities of a element, or can it allow you to manipulate in all the ways this element... if it's not the case vulcanization is not possible for luffy alone, he'll need help chopper to make special soufre pills??? sanji or franky to make him burn??? could be a strange technique...CYA guys
ok firstly luffy didn't have air going through his skin. if he did, he wouldn't have to do the pump action of accumulating blood in his legs then pushing it upwards. he was trying to push the blood fast, and i guess he was trying to kickstart a speedy flow
ever heard of nitric oxide being used in sports? increases ur strength rapidly, works great for bodybuilding. why do they need that? because by doing so, they work harder and thus stress their body more to achieve fatigue easier. it's just like gear 2.and u don't know how much he weighs in gear 3. judging from the strength of his bone's properties when we saw it block bullets with ease, it must have required tremendous pressure to blow the bone up that much. meaning LOTS more mass due to compression. meaning it's not as heavy as a balloon of the same size, but MUCH MORE. In other words, with a Gear 3 augmented arm, it's like ur arm has become a very huge and heavy hammer.
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@Sea:
With Constant use, look at how Son Goku adapted to the strain of Supa Saiya-Jin. He thought up a training regemine where Son Gohan and himself would remain in a powered up state for extended periods of time. That way his body would adapt to the stress of said transformation and he would be able to draw out more power with less negative consequence.
I personally do not believe that Luffy used Second Gear to it's full potential. There was simply to much stress put on his body. With enough conditioning, one can get used to almost anything.
have u used nitric oxide in training before?
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have u used nitric oxide in training before?
Like all Drugs constant use causes the body to build reisitance resuting in a need for More. Rather I used Nitric Oxide or not has no bearing on what I said about Luffy.
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@Sea:
With Constant use, look at how Son Goku adapted to the strain of Supa Saiya-Jin. He thought up a training regemine where Son Gohan and himself would remain in a powered up state for extended periods of time. That way his body would adapt to the stress of said transformation and he would be able to draw out more power with less negative consequence.
I personally do not believe that Luffy used Second Gear to it's full potential. There was simply to much stress put on his body. With enough conditioning, one can get used to almost anything.
not to mention dragonball was based on this theory of every person having this potential amount of 'qi', which he can release more of after training. SSJ transformations are tapping this qi, which is a definite transformation, and DEFINITELY NOT proportional to their current physical strength.
If u have a low potential, u'll be capped there, like how krillin (though gifted for a human being) lost out totally near the start of the manga and stopped progressing. there was just no more to be tapped
Dragonball is about a mystical qi pool inside the person's body which is just waiting to be tapped.
so how is this explanation related to luffy?
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@Sea:
Like all Drugs constant use causes the body to build reisitance resuting in a need for More. Rather I used Nitric Oxide or not has no bearing on what I said about Luffy.
one day if u bodybuild using nitric oxide u will understand what i mean.
it's about increasing your bodily muscle usage to as close as 100% of its capability as possible by increasing blood flow. if u don't feel as tired from this as u previously did, all it means is that u're not at ur max. in other words as long as luffy does gear 2 properly he will always be as close to his max, no matter how much his max is, and will thus take always just as much stress proportional to it.
if luffy ever finds himself in a situation where he's using gear 2 and he's not fatigued as fast, it just means he's not exerting himself as hard as he was before relative to his respective body capabilities at both times. it doesn't mean he got used to it.
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not to mention dragonball was based on this theory of every person having this potential amount of 'qi', which he can release more of after training. SSJ transformations are tapping this qi, which is a definite transformation, and DEFINITELY NOT proportional to their current physical strength.
If u have a low potential, u'll be capped there, like how krillin (though gifted for a human being) lost out totally near the start of the manga and stopped progressing. there was just no more to be tapped
Dragonball is about a mystical qi pool inside the person's body which is just waiting to be tapped.
so how is this explanation related to luffy?
Ki simply translate to energy, there's nothing really mystical about it except how it can be manipualted.
The only reason why the Humans in Dragon Ball Z could not keep up was because they lacked Power-ful Hereditary abilities like the Saiya-Jins and Namek-Jins. This is why Piccolo jr. managed to keep up with the Saiya-Jin for so long. At one point he was Stronger than a **Supa Saiya-Jin
In the Dragon Ball universe Ki is sysnonmous with stamina. This is why when a member of the Z-Senshi maxed themselves out, they would be tired and unable to perform Ki attacks.
Supa Saiya-Jin's negative consequnces are similar to Second Gear which is why I used the iit in my anology. The Stress on you body is similar, and it exahaust in a similar fashion.**
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it's like a wimpy boy can lift 25 pounds maximum. he can hold it there for 5 seconds before dropping it before he becomes fatigued.
now he trains and becomes a hulky boy, who lifts 225 pounds maximum. get him to hold 225 pounds, and likewise, he will only hold for 5 seconds before dropping it and becoming fatigued.
it's about muscle usage RELATIVE to bodily condition. because gear 2 is about maximising his body use, and if he isn't fatigued, it just means he isn't using his body enough or as close to its limit. it doesn't mean he got used to it. because if he pushes himself to his max, the fatigue will always set in at the same speed.
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one day if u bodybuild using nitric oxide u will understand what i mean.
it's about increasing your bodily muscle usage to as close as 100% of its capability as possible by increasing blood flow. if u don't feel as tired from this as u previously did, all it means is that u're not at ur max. in other words as long as luffy does gear 2 properly he will always be as close to his max, no matter how much his max is, and will thus take always just as much stress proportional to it.
if luffy ever finds himself in a situation where he's using gear 2 and he's not fatigued as fast, it just means he's not exerting himself as hard as he was before relative to his respective body capabilities at both times. it doesn't mean he got used to it.
This was what I was trying to say since I mentioned it, his body will get used to the Stress and he can use said technique for a Longer period of time. I never implied he would never be to max himself out.
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@Sea:
Ki simply translate to energy, there's nothing really mystical about it except how it can be manipualted.
The only reason why the Humans in Dragon Ball Z could not keep up was because they lacked Power-ful Hereditary abilities like the Saiya-Jins and Namek-Jins. This is why Piccolo jr. managed to keep up with the Saiya-Jin for so long. At one point he was Stronger than a Supa Saiya-Jin
In the Dragon Ball universe Ki is sysnonmous with stamina. This is why when a member of the Z-Senshi maxed themselves out, they would be tired and unable to perform Ki attacks.
Supa Saiya-Jin's negative consequnces are similar to Second Gear which is why I used the iit in my anology. The Stress on you body is similar, and it exahaust in a similar fashion.
actually i don't know what part of the world u got the explanation from, but goku actually meant to get used to ssj's emotions. ssj was a dark transformation, fueled by rage, and goku wanted to adapt it into a peaceful transformation so by holding such, it'll be much more possible for gohan to unlock the next level by having relative rage.
ssj was never about stamina, it was about the emotions. that was the original text, literally.
because if u actually noticed, goku actually got back his normal eyes in the ssj state after getting used to it, learning to keep it up even without rage. THAT was the training. u're making no sense here.
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@Sea:
This was what I was trying to say since I mentioned it, his body will get used to the Stress and he can use said technique for a Longer period of time. I never implied he would never be to max himself out.
he will never be able to use it for a longer period of time because the stress will always be
<current usage="">/ <maximum possible="" usage="">and gear 2 means pushing current usage as high up as possible and as close to max possible usage as possible.the percentage will always be constant
the only thing i can think of that longer periods will help is that luffy trains himself to NOT exert himself that quick and moderate his strength usage. he will NEVER get used to the stress because as <maximum possible="" usage="">rises with training, gear 2 will just push <current usage="">higher to get back to the same percentage and stress again.
he can't get used to stress by training. he can only train himself to avoid it by moderating strength usage in gear 2.</current></maximum></maximum></current>
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actually i don't know what part of the world u got the explanation from, but goku actually meant to get used to ssj's emotions. ssj was a dark transformation, fueled by rage, and goku wanted to adapt it into a peaceful transformation so by holding such, it'll be much more possible for gohan to unlock the next level by having relative rage.
Sigh, the transformation had everything to do with Stamina. When he used the transformation his body would drain more of his Ki/Stamina. Supa Saiya-Jin 3 is a great example of this.
u're making no sense here.
Just because You're missing my point deosn't mean I'm not making any sense.
he will never be able to use it for a longer period of time because the stress will always be
<current usage="">/ <maximum possible="" usage="">and gear 2 means pushing current usage as high up as possible and as close to max possible usage as possible..</maximum></current>
Again, his max will not remain the same with constant use.
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@Sea:
Sigh, the transformation had everything to do with Stamina. When he used the transformation his body would drain more of his Ki/Stamina. Supa Saiya-Jin 3 is a great example of this.
Just because You're missing my point deosn't mean I'm not making any sense.
i read the original text, what text did u read it from?
nonetheless, u still haven't disputed the analogy of the wimpy man who became the hulky man.
hulky man could hold up the 25 pounder and claim he got used to it and say he got higher stamina, but the point of gear 2 is to not hold something consistent, but something which scales as u grow, proportional to ur growth. it's about giving constantly max output that u're capable of, which means wimpy man holding 25 while hulky holds 225. so the fatigue still sets in all the same. -
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Again, his max will not remain the same with constant use.
like i said, if his max were originally 100 luffy units, in his normal state he'd be able to use up to 50 luffy units and in gear 2 maybe somewhere around 90 luffy units.
AFTER luffy trains for a while
luffy's max is now at 200 luffy units. in his normal state he uses 100 luffy units, and in gear 2 he uses 180.
90/100 compared with 180/200, it's still the same, 0.9.
because, like i was saying all along, luffy's stress from using gear 2 will always be constant because the amount of strain gear 2 adds will keep growing while his maximum strength grows.
and when he uses 90% of his max strength, he will always wear down AS FAST, no matter how much his max strength is
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i read the original text, what text did u read it from?
Congratulations, now how does that refute what I said about Son Goku?
During the Majin Buu saga Goku stated he could not retain the Supa Saiya-Jin 3 for too long, and would show signs of fatigue after transforming. So, that supports my argument.
nonetheless, u still haven't disputed the analogy of the wimpy man who became the hulky man.
hulky man could hold up the 25 pounder and claim he got used to it and say he got higher stamina, but the point of gear 2 is to not hold something consistent, but something which scales as u grow, proportional to ur growth. it's about giving constantly max output that u're capable of, which means wimpy man holding 25 while hulky holds 225. so the fatigue still sets in all the same.Your anology is flawed simply because Luffy in base line does not retain the same amount of strength through out the manga.
So, as he grows the time he Time he holds the Second Gear will also change.EDIT: I just read you second post, how did you determine that the Stress would grow?
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@Sea:
Congratulations, now how does that refute what I said about Son Goku?
During the Majin Buu saga Goku stated he could not retain the Supa Saiya-Jin 3 for too long, and would show signs of fatigue after transforming. So, that supports my argument.
Your anology is flawed simply because Luffy in base line does not retain the same amount of strength through out the manga.
So, as he grows the time he Time he holds the Second Gear will also change.the time will not change, because the stress second gear adds will also change.
that's the whole point. second gear is not consistent.because like i said, gear 2 is not about holding up the same piece of 25pound rock from start to end.
it's about maximising his strength usage. it means to maximise a person who's capable of holding 25 pounds, u give him 25 pounds; while a person who's able to hold 225 pounds WILL BE HOLDING 225 POUNDS.
your logic only applies if u're giving wimpy man 25 pounds of strain from start to end, even after he becomes hulky man.
gear second is about using maximum strength. not about forever holding the same 25 pounder.
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the time will not change, because the stress second gear adds will also change.
that's the whole point. second gear is not consistent.because like i said, gear 2 is not about holding up the same piece of 25pound rock from start to end.
it's about maximising his strength usage. it means to maximise a person who's capable of holding 25 pounds, u give him 25 pounds; while a person who's able to hold 225 pounds WILL BE HOLDING 225 POUNDS.
your logic only applies if u're giving wimpy man 25 pounds of strain from start to end, even after he becomes hulky man.
gear second is about using maximum strength. not about forever holding the same 25 pounder.
Yeah, I just read your other post. So, how did you come to the conclusion that the stress would grow in proportion to luffy?
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@Sea:
Congratulations, now how does that refute what I said about Son Goku?
During the Majin Buu saga Goku stated he could not retain the Supa Saiya-Jin 3 for too long, and would show signs of fatigue after transforming. So, that supports my argument.
hm ok if u insist on using ur flawed sources on this argument there's not much i can say to make u see the light.
but i suggest u read this, written very well and it matches with the original japanese text
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_saiyan
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This form is achieved through skill rather then power, therefore the Saiyan is able to concentrate more energy into their attacks with less collateral energy lossThis unique form is reached by mastering every aspect of the Super Saiyan form, including the unwanted behavioral effects. By mastering everything, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously
He knew that in order to efficiently fight Cell, he and Gohan needed to suppress the negative effects of Super Saiyan and have a natural feeling while transformed.
because goku never trained to take that much stress in the first place, all he did was train to not give himself so much stress while in the state so he can maintain it subconsciously.
it doesn't fit into this argument at all
and SSJ3 was special, different from the other SSJ, or goku wouldn't have been THAT surprised when he suddenly pinged back into his normal state going 'wtf hax'
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@Sea:
Yeah, I just read your other post. So, how did you come to the conclusion that the stress would grow in proportion to luffy?
because gear 2 is increasing his blood flow to access maximum muscle strength ensuring that nutrients won't be the bottleneck, as lucchi himself explained. meaning he just increases bloodflow so he can use up more strength in each shot he takes, at the expense of being fatigued much faster. in other words, gear 2 is what luffy does so he can be at his strongest.
if u don't wear out as fast as u used to, u're just not exerting enough relative strain. that's all.
this totally parallels to nitric oxide usage. a newbie at bodybuilding on nitric oxide will always have as much stress as a professional bodybuilder on nitric oxide, because it's about removing the cap so u can use ur muscles fully. and as your muscles grow, obviously your weight lifted also grows to fit ur max strength in same rep count.
and i'm not saying luffy can't train to use gear 2 longer.
i mentioned he could train to moderate his strength usage, so he doesn't get fatigued so quickly by training to hold back. This would surely help a lot.
in short, he can NEVER get used to the strain of gear 2 usage. all he can do is try not to use gear 2 so much, and hold back to reduce the strain.
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hm ok if u insist on using ur flawed sources on this argument there's not much i can say to make u see the light.
but i suggest u read this, written very well and it matches with the original japanese text
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_saiyan –-
This form is achieved through skill rather then power, therefore the Saiyan is able to concentrate more energy into their attacks with less collateral energy lossThis unique form is reached by mastering every aspect of the Super Saiyan form, including the unwanted behavioral effects. By mastering everything, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously
He knew that in order to efficiently fight Cell, he and Gohan needed to suppress the negative effects of Super Saiyan and have a natural feeling while transformed.
Hm, I like how you omited a certain part of the description. If your going to resort to underhand tactics to debate I see no point to continue. Here's the Full quote :
This unique form is reached by mastering every aspect of the Super Saiyan form, including the unwanted behavioral effects. By mastering everything, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously, and without having excess energy consumption during transformation or fighting.
Not to mention that the third Supa Saiya-Jin Transformation confimred what I said. He was maxed out after using him, therefore it drains energy like I said.
and SSJ3 was special, different from the other SSJ, or goku wouldn't have been THAT surprised when he suddenly pinged back into his normal state going 'wtf hax'
What are you taking about, every Supa Saiya-Jins Transformations are special from one another. Not to mention the higher you Go up the Transformation Scale the more likely you will find a draining form.
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if u don't wear out as fast as u used to, u're just not exerting enough relative strain. that's all.
So, lemme ask you something, if luffy limits the amount of Air forced into his blood. Would he not be able to control the amount of stress?
Not to mention psychological Training, which could allow him to use gear for longer periods of time even if the stress is at a constant.
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@Sea:
Hm, I like how you omited a certain part of the description. If your going to resort to underhand tactics to debate I see no point to continue. Here's the Full quote :
Not to mention that the third Supa Saiya-Jin Transformation comfimred what I said. He was maxed out oafter using him, therefore it drains energy like I said.
What are you taking about, every Supa Saiya-Jins Transformations are special from one another. Not to mention the higher you Go up the Transformation Scale the more likely you will find a draining form.
uh yea it says excess energy consumption during transforming, meaning he turns into it easily without all the rawr and rage
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uh yea it says excess energy consumption during transforming, meaning he turns into it easily without all the rawr and rage
No, it say's it Drains his Ki/Stamina/energy just like Second Gear which is why I used the analogy. The amount of Stress in both Luffy's and Son Goku's transformations is dependent on how much Air Luffy uses and which transformation of a Supa Saiya-Jin Goku becomes.
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@Sea:
So, lemme ask you something, if luffy limits the amount of Air forced into his blood. Would he not be able to control the amount of stress?
Not to mention psychological Training, which could allow him to use gear for longer periods of time even if the stress is at a constant.
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he doesn't force air into his blood. he just amps up his blood flow. and i don't think blood flow is something he can actually scale, but i do believe he pumps at an excess to ensure the bottleneck is removed.
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wtf we're talking about physical impossibility, his body couldn't even move. it's physically fatigued, muscle fibres physically damaged microscopically from use; it's not about mental strain from lactic buildup. luffy is as strong willed a person as we get, and buster call threatening to shoot in 5 seconds while he just laid there showed that he was pretty much physically out.
but perhaps, yes, psychological training on the aspect that he doesn't grit his teeth and go all out on every hit, but to control his rage and be more relaxed/controlled when he fights, so he shouldn't damage his body that quickly. this idea i'm behind.
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@Sea:
No, it say's it Drains his Ki/Stamina/energy just like Second Gear which is why I used the analogy.
like u quoted,
This unique form is reached by mastering every aspect of the Super Saiyan form, including the unwanted behavioral effects. By mastering everything, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously, and without having excess energy consumption during transformation or fighting.
they have to spend energy pushing their ki levels up brutely during the transformations, and if u get used to it, having learnt the finer points in control over transformations, u don't have to rawr anymore. this part refers to them transforming without even batting an eyelid, still smiling and all.
and the original text quoted that goku didn't like how he became all aggressive and coldhearted when he transformed, and that training was what he was trying to eliminate, so he can 1) be natural during transformation and 2) maintain transformation without having to have strong emotions like anger or fear, so he can 3) keep a cooler head during battle without emotional distractions and lapses in judgement while 4) making this transformation natural so gohan can build up rage all over again to possibly break through to ssj 2 in his own admitted hypothesis and gamble.
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- he doesn't force air into his blood. he just amps up his blood flow. and i don't think blood flow is something he can actually scale, but i do believe he pumps at an excess to ensure the bottleneck is removed.
He amps his blood flow by using Air/Oxygen. therefore it's safe to assume the oxygen proportion forced in his blood determines the Strength of Second gear.
- wtf we're talking about physical impossibility
AND?
It's a manga who cares if it's physically impossible.
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You missed the point again, Supa Saiya-Jin Drains energy similar to Second Gear, hence why I used it in my anology.
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@Sea:
He amps his blood flow by using Air/Oxygen. therefore it's safe to assume the oxygen proportion forced in his blood determines the Strength of Second gear.
he doesnt. he just expands his leg to let some blood accumulate first, then rapidly squeeze it back into place to force the accumulated blood through the body at a high flow.
it's the high blood flow that gives his body more oxygen, not the oxygen that increased his blood flow lol.
he still obtains all oxygen from breathing
@Sea:
AND?
It's a manga who cares if it's physically impossible.
i do, because eiichiro oda clearly expressed it, and i'm reading one piece, not seaking piece.
lol oda's the one telling the story
and raising font size won't help lol
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@Sea:
You missed the point again, Supa Saiya-Jin Drains energy similar to Second Gear, hence why I used it in my anology.
actually no super saiyajin just pulls out from their qi pool, the one i mentioned above. they can stay in ssj forms and even REST in that form, cept for 3.
all it does is give mental strain in that they have to keep their emotions high to keep themselves in the SSJ states.
SSJ 3 sapping stamina, now THAT was unexpected. goku and vegeta even got into an argument over this when he suddenly shrunk back, going 'how would i know ssj3 would drain my stamina, i thought i could restore my stamina/energy by resting like always!'
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he doesnt. he just expands his leg to let some blood accumulate first, then rapidly squeeze it back into place to force the accumulated blood through the body at a high flow.
it's the high blood flow that gives his body more oxygen, not the oxygen that increased his blood flow lol.
he still obtains all oxygen from breathing
So, he forces the blood with Air, and regardless if he can increase said action it would effect the strain of said technique.
i do, because eiichiro oda clearly expressed it, and i'm reading one piece, not seaking piece.
Despite the fact he's disregarded physics so many times?
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well no air is involved. frankly all he did was just increase his blood flow using expansion and contraction of his rubber body. no air was included in the blood flow increment technique, he definitely did not add air to his blood system.
it's like replacing a small section of a looping one-side-flow piping system with a plastic bag, then letting some water accumulate in the bag. all of a sudden, u squeeze the bag in, and viola, u just pushed the water forward at a suddenly-very-fast flowrate. u don't need to add anything in there to increase pressure, which wouldn't have helped the flowrate anyway.
@Sea:
Despite the fact he's disregarded physics so many times?
lol ok if oda's physics suck, your logic automatically becomes right no matter how the comic turns out, with or against you.
i stand corrected and shan't argue with u anymore.
rofl
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well no air is involved. frankly all he did was just increase his blood flow using expansion and contraction of his rubber body. no air was included in the blood flow increment technique, he definitely did not add air to his blood system.
it's like replacing a small section of a looping one-side-flow piping system with a plastic bag, then letting some water accumulate in the bag. all of a sudden, u squeeze the bag in, and viola, u just pushed the water forward at a suddenly-very-fast flowrate. u don't need to add anything in there to increase pressure, which wouldn't have helped the flowrate anyway.
Okay, perphaps I worded what I posted incorrectly. Let me repeat it in a different mannar, because I understand what your saying, But I have question. If luffy reduces or increses the action for using Second gear will that not effect said stress?
Basically if Luffy uses Second Gear will he always be at his max, and can he not control it?
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God please stop compareing gear 2 to SSJ levels. they got stronger by screaming by god. it didnt even have anything thing to do with tapping into unknown ki resourtces. they just had mystical transformations that was explained away by funky genetics.
same with the really stupid idea that they gained large ammounts of strenght after beeing near death!
seaking: gear 2.. the skill is designed to cause maximum stress on the body, if he can handle more that means he can pressure himself more to get more speed out.
SSJ was not!
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seaking: gear 2.. the skill is designed to cause maximum stress on the body, if he can handle more that means he can pressure himself more to get more speed out.
SSJ was not!
Luffy is NOT going to use gear 2 24/7 like Goku did at points in DBI choose to compare them because they are similar in certain aspects. Like I said before the level of stress is directly realted to the amount of Doping/Powering up used by Luffy/Son Goku. I see evidence to indicate that Second Gear is always at a constant which cannot be controlled no matter what.
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actually no super saiyajin just pulls out from their qi pool, the one i mentioned above. they can stay in ssj forms and even REST in that form, cept for 3.
No, it increases thier Ki output, but consequantly increases the amount of Ki that is drained.
SSJ 3 sapping stamina, now THAT was unexpected. goku and vegeta even got into an argument over this when he suddenly shrunk back, going 'how would i know ssj3 would drain my stamina, i thought i could restore my stamina/energy by resting like always!'
The Drain increases with Supa Saiya-Jin 3 just like all transfromations. The difference is that the Drain is extremely rapid.
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… you see evidence? he has used the technique against 2 opponents with no real rest in between to develop it or grow stronger.
you know what i see pink elephants in One Piece. doesnt mean they are there though. (but i am SURE funkfreed really is pink)
Luffy has somewhat concious controll over his powers, the fact that he can use gear 2 at all shows this. and IMO he IS going to max it out to beat his opponents as quickly as possible as there are considereble downsides and he doesnt want to use it longer then he has to.. even at a lower level it is too much punishment to his body to be used frequently, so hes not going to set up some plan for long time use. hell theres not even a point to not use the technique at its max.
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Luffy has somewhat concious controll over his powers, the fact that he can use gear 2 at all shows this. and IMO he IS going to max it out to beat his opponents as quickly as possible as there are considereble downsides and he doesnt want to use it longer then he has to.. even at a lower level it is too much punishment to his body to be used frequently, so hes not going to set up some plan for long time use. hell theres not even a point to not use the technique at its max.
So, if he can control it than there is no reason form me to continue this debate.
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Then you can stop underlining and colouring every 3rd word of your post now? It makes it pretty hard to read…
And, to stay on topic, perhaps Gear Four will allow Luffy to stretch his limbs without using centriphical force or a slingshot attack. Maybe he'll just randomly be able to do Gear 3rd without the need for air.
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Then you can stop underlining and colouring every 3rd word of your post now? It makes it pretty hard to read…
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Then, do not read what I say. I don't how posting a certain way makes it hard to understand my post.
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so which one of these guys is WHITEBEARD again