@The:
I kinda wanna start a thread complaining about this thread. Nobody seemed to care when Kuririn became Krillin. Give it a rest people.
That was a decade ago. I'd like to think we've improved a bit since then.
@The:
I kinda wanna start a thread complaining about this thread. Nobody seemed to care when Kuririn became Krillin. Give it a rest people.
That was a decade ago. I'd like to think we've improved a bit since then.
In a decade I'd expect the understanding on different cultures and the rapid evolution of the entertainment industry to create something better than that.
10 years is enough to revolution entire industries, sometimes even twice. Foreign products are becoming more common and demanded. So I have every right to expect that after over 20 years as a small-time form of entertainment, and now it being popular in the US, Anime would get proper dubs. Not watered down with Zolo.
What makes it worse is TOEI.
My best guess? They hired someone with a pretty sucky understanding of English to translate it, and they wrote down Zolo and Mantora.
Am I chatting with Narutards or One Piece fans? Somehow, in the back of my mind, I knew this would happen if One Piece got a new dub. I kept telling myself, "One Piece fans are more mature than Naruto fans". Boy, was I wrong. Tis a shame to see this happen.
I shudder to think what's gonna happen when One Piece reaches Naruto levels of popularity (which means a huge increase in American fans). We're only a week into things, and there's already a complaint thread. You'd think people would atleast wait until the dub airs.
Way to show our appreciation for a group of people (Funi) who have saved us from the evil that is 4kids and actually understand the series and its fans. Uncut DVDs, Original Music, Decent Voices, and no deleted story arcs. Yet still people are unhappy. What more can you people possibly want? I just don't understand.
At this moment, I'm ashamed to be a One Piece fan.
Way to show our appreciation for a group of people (Funi) who have saved us from the evil that is 4kids and actually understand the series and its fans. Uncut DVDs, Original Music, Decent Voices, and no deleted story arcs. Yet still people are unhappy. What more can you people possibly want?
How about a sub script that matches what's being spoken/shown in the anime and can pass a spellcheck?
Or is that asking too much?
No, but ignoring everything else the new company will improve upon is just ungreatful. This being the make-it-or-break-it decision on whether you pay them mind is what's the problem.
No, but ignoring everything else the new company will improve upon is just ungreatful. This being the make-it-or-break-it decision on whether you pay them mind is what's the problem.
I'm thrilled about all the improvements. I really am. It's like I've been forced to eat at McDonalds for years and Funi's come along and given me a gourmet meal to enjoy.
But then Toei came right up behind them and said, "Sorry, but you can't have a fork with this meal. Here's a spoon. Enjoy your steak."
So, then, are you going to throw the steak into a garbage bin over that?
How about a sub script that matches what's being spoken/shown in the anime and can pass a spellcheck?
Or is that asking too much?
Romangod beat me to the answer, this quote makes it seem we're getting DVDs on par with HK Bootlegs :getlost:
Yeah there's always going to be complainers, it's a fact of life. There's people here and on K-F who'll praise the Anime to high heaven more than anyone else and then find some miniscule excuse not to buy any of the merchandise, namely the DVDs, that's what it really is.
So, then, are you going to throw the steak into a garbage bin over that?
You missed the point.
Toei has my fork. I know they have my fork. They know they have my fork. There's no earthly reason for them not to give me my fork.
This isn't about the meal. This is about Toei dicking around with how I want to eat it.
Ahh, yes. But the point is… You're not going to pay them anymore mind if the names appear as you don't want them.
Which is why I'm saying since you don't have a fork, you don't want the juicy steak anymore, and throw it in the garbage.
Ahh, yes. But the point is… You're not going to pay them anymore mind if the names appear as you don't want them.
Which is why I'm saying since you don't have a fork, you don't want the juicy steak anymore, and throw it in the garbage.
Why not? If you went to a restaurant, ordered something, and when your meal was delivered the waiter said "You're not allowed the use of a fork with this meal. We have plenty of forks available, we just don't want you to use them." you wouldn't say "Oh, that's fine. I'm still going to pay my tab and leave you a big tip."
No, you'd get up and leave. Whatever they do with your food after that is none of your concern.
My only complaint is that they'll be using "Zolo" because thats what the manga is using.
and the manga is only using Zolo because 4Kids did, and Viz changed it to be more like the 4Kids dub.
and it's just a personal little pet peeve.
I really hate how "Zolo" sounds.
Well, in any case, I don't consider it like that in this case.
The name translations just don't piss me off as much as it does you, apparantly.
I'll try to get them changed by the time the DVDs get released. Just how everyone else is. But if it doesn't work, I'm still gonna buy it.
'Cause I seriously think it's just a slight annoyance, in terms of what we're getting.
Guess that's just the diffrence between us. Do what you will, then.
Am I chatting with Narutards or One Piece fans? Somehow, in the back of my mind, I knew this would happen if One Piece got a new dub. I kept telling myself, "One Piece fans are more mature than Naruto fans". Boy, was I wrong. Tis a shame to see this happen.
Frankly, I think all the bastiching in this thread is a lot more mature than folks like RomanGod promising to put their noses to the grind-stone and support the FUNimation dub since he's such a 4Kids hater.
If people have a problem, they can complain. I'm just surprised the complaints have come in so soon.
Maybe if you guys complain loud enough, Navarre's stock will fall back to $3.75 and I won't have to give up 50% of my savings to get some shares. :)
… I gotta be the most mild 4Kids basher here... If you can even consider me that. 0.o
And for the record, I've never really cared that much about the name changes in the dub. If that's all the FUNi dub has in flaws, then I can sure as hell bare with it.
I'd just take a big lump of bread, roll the steak into it and eat.
No, but ignoring everything else the new company will improve upon is just ungreatful. This being the make-it-or-break-it decision on whether you pay them mind is what's the problem.
The thing is One Piece in all forms has been raped hardcore by pretty much every single company to ever touch it anywhere outside of Japan, and people are just getting sick and tired of it. I know I am. Can Funi do a good job? Sure. But Toei still sees it as a joke that isn't worth their time. One company who cares in a world full of closed minded dumbasses who don't understand anime can't really do a whole lot.
Skull Kid, have you e-mailed anyone at Toei yet?
Because they're translating some of the names wrong? I hardly think they think the lisence is a joke just because they're mispelling a few names.
If they thought it was a joke, they wouldn't even have bothered with it to begin with.
Hopefully they'll realize that they're translating some of the names oddly. But I doubt this only makes them think One Piece is a joke.
@Pass:
Skull Kid, have you e-mailed anyone at Toei yet?
The US Toei doesn't have any contact info on their site, and it would take something major to get them to hire some proper translators instead of just using any kind of name to appear in any video game without even bothering to check its accuracy. Sure if we tried hard enough we can get a few Skypia things changed, but their just going to keep doing this. Thats not treating a property seriously at all. If you guys have any emails that will work I can try. I don't have a huge list compiled of all the stuff that needs to be changed though.
It would take someone high up and go knock some real sense into them to have a real effect.
Then go do that already.
The only thing I see us being garenteed that will be better than 4Kids is no missing episodes or story arcs, and less editing overall.
So far we still have:
Some bad name changes. like G Zess, Zolo, and Mantora.
Sanji still has a lollipop even though Naruto's dub clearly has smoking.
We have no clue how much blood is "reasonable"
We aren't garanteed good voices, we just know they are trying their best without looking at either the Japanese or 4Kids voices.
So it'll be better than 4Kids but it's not absolutely going to be so much better.
If they keep Zoro, Jesus, and Mantra on the DVD subs, fine, I'l ldeal with it. But I'm whacking anyone with a baseball bat or the nearest large blunt object if they give me the 'ol "it's Zolo. With an L. See, not "Zoro"!" and hopefully make them change their dubby ways.
thus is who I am.
But we should still try.
I don't care if we're 10X as bad as Narutards. I want a decent dub. and if you guys want to go around "omg morons dislike dubs cuz bettr than 4kids is good enuf!!!!" then fine, ruin it, come back whining. I'll gladly point you to this thread where you can read your own comments to the opposite.
I don't want to hear "But CN and Toei made the restrictions! It's not FUNi's fault!"
I know, but still, that means we need to contact them and tell them to back off FUNimation, it's not fair that Naruto gets better treatment.
It's almost like CN doesn't want the new dub to be any less kid friendly than the old one.
My guess? They don't want to put up with "Hi, yes, ummm, my son watches One Piece, and I happened to notice one of the characters has begun smoking instead of sucking on lollipops, can you [insert magic effect that instantly edits every hint of it] so I feel safe letting my son watch it still?"
Man…the world gets dumber every day.
Well, in any case, I don't consider it like that in this case.
The name translations just don't piss me off as much as it does you, apparantly.
I'll try to get them changed by the time the release comes out, just how everyone else is. But if it doesn't work, I'm still gonna buy it.
Guess that's just the diffrence between us.
See, they do bother me. Which is why I won't be getting them unless they are fixed. I'm not a masochist. I'm certainly not going to pay money for a DVD I can't enjoy in either sub or dub form because whenever a character's name is spoken it's going to make me cringe. Especially not for a show that's 300 episodes long and still going.
It's not just that though. It's the principle of the matter. I should give Toei my money for insisting that Funi misspell words? Not just names. Actual words. At what point does that make sense?
See, now I'm going to take the other side of the argument.
The only thing I see us being garenteed that will be better than 4Kids is no missing episodes or story arcs, and less editing overall.
So far we still have:
Some bad name changes. like G Zess, Zolo, and Mantora.
Sanji still has a lollipop even though Naruto's dub clearly has smoking.
We have no clue how much blood is "reasonable"
We aren't garanteed good voices, we just know they are trying their best without looking at either the Japanese or 4Kids voices.
Half of those complaints are about the TV version, which doesn't matter in the slightest. Honestly, who gives a crap if the TV version doesn't have smoking and excessive blood? It's not like you're paying for it! (well, other than your cable bill).
Anime on television is nothing more than a preview for the DVD versions anyway. "Here's the jist of what the show is like. Now go out and get the DVDs to see everything you're missing."
Gear Second… Didn't you hear?
WE ARE TRYING. Possibly even more than you guys. The diffrence between us and you, however, are that the name thing won't be a make-it-or-break-it deal for us... While it will be for you guys.
Charagon, I'm still gonna enjoy it. That's why I'm buying it. The flawed names just don't bother me that much. At least not THAT much.
But we understand why you guys are like that. After all, preferences and everything. But we obviously can't persuade you to try to overlook it (in case our tries fail), so, like I said, do as you will.
Gear Second… Didn't you hear?
WE ARE TRYING. Possibly even more than you guys.
WE who? Trying what? And what can I do to help?
Well, you know… We're giving Mato plenty of offical stuff that states characters names as how they're sopposed to be spelled.
And EvilGamerX has decided to go to an anime-type convention tommorow and address some matters at FUNi's booth.
It's funny you keep on going about the smoking. Now I'm not a big Naruto guy, but last I checked, there's not a MAIN CHARACTER in Naruto who smokes in almost every episode, so of course it's going to be a less of a deal compared to Sanji whose on screen most of time and on a lot of the merchandise.
Well, you know… We're giving Mato plenty of offical stuff that states characters names as how they're sopposed to be spelled.
And EvilGamerX has decided to go to an anime-type convention tommorow and address some matters at FUNi's booth.
Ahh. I thought there was something outside that thread.
Best I've been able to come up with is an e-mail address for Toei's US Sales division.
TOEI ANIMATION INCORPORATED (Los Angeles, USA)
Address :
11150 W.Olympic Blvd., Suite 1150
Los Angeles, CA90064 USA Mail :
sales@toei-anim.net
I sent them an E-Mail last night about the correct usage of words and such (much more diplomatically than I speak here of course) but I doubt anything will come of it.
… I gotta be the most mild 4Kids basher here... If you can even consider me that. 0.o
It's not just you, you're just the most shining example I can think of; people who are willing to support anyone who isn't 4Kids, no matter how poor of a job said people do, just because they're not 4Kids.
That's like saying, "Hitler over Stalin, because ANYONE is better than Stalin". Yeah, it might be true that Hitler > Stalin, but Hitler sure isn't very good.
I couldn't care for the names too much, either; I'm perfectly willing to criticize OP's FUNimation dub, but right now? It hasn't even aired!
@Cain:
It's funny you keep on going about the smoking. Now I'm not a big Naruto guy, but last I checked, there's not a MAIN CHARACTER in Naruto who smokes in almost every episode, so of course it's going to be a less of a deal compared to Sanji whose on screen most of time and on a lot of the merchandise.
Maybe not now…but I'd really like to know what Cartoon Network will do when Shikamaru starts smoking.
That will be even harder to deal with since there's actually a big reason in the story why he starts smoking. What are they going to do, just suddenly appear with a stick in his mouth without explanation?
It's not just you, you're just the most shining example I can think of; people who are willing to support anyone who isn't 4Kids, no matter how poor of a job said people do, just because they're not 4Kids.
That's like saying, "Hitler over Stalin, because ANYONE is better than Stalin". Yeah, it might be true that Hitler > Stalin, but Hitler sure isn't very good.
I couldn't care for the names too much, either; I'm perfectly willing to criticize OP's FUNimation dub, but right now? It hasn't even aired!
Well, that's the thing. If all 4Kids had done was change some of the names and nothing else, I would've still liked their dub.
Which is why I'll most likely like FUNi's dub… Now... If they start skipping arcs and the like... Well, yeah, there you go. ^_^;
EDIT: Cosmic, first we gotta see if the anime even adapts that. They may change it, since Shikamaru is still quite young.
I don't really give a shit and I don't see how anyone else can't, unless they happen to suck.
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G Zess sounds exactly like what? JESUS, HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S AS IF I'M GOING TO DIE IF I EVER SEE IT IN WRITTEN FORMAT.
I don't really give a shit and I don't see how anyone else can't, unless they happen to suck.
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G Zess sounds exactly like what? JESUS, HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S AS IF I'M GOING TO DIE IF I EVER SEE IT IN WRITTEN FORMAT.
We care because we care about One Piece and don't want to see Odas work destroyed again.
It's like they support fansubs and scanlations, the way they do things sometimes….
Hitler > 4Kids
I think the dub will be much better. in fact it'll own.
But I don't think it can be up to the fan's standards with name changes.
I don't mind a few graphical changes like missing blood, the lollipop is fine for TV, but it's the concept about the names, Oda used them to make his story. When it comes down to it, names stay changed on the uncut DVDs and that's a problem.
Well, I think that this Funimation dub definitely seems to have better potential than the 4Kids dub. I've liked Funimation's voicework in the past, and by the sounds of it they're easing up on the edits. I'll just leave it at that until August.
Hitler > 4Kids
Yes, because we all know that trying to wipe out an entire race of people is worse than creating a dub of an anime that cheeses off a few fans :getlost:
I'm weeping for mankind as we speak.
I'll be happy so long as the overhyperactive 13-year-and-below Naruto fans stop.
Its because we have one at my local anime club… He makes one comment pass on One Piece every time I attend the club. He knows I'm a OP fan.
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I just want to say wow... The dub isn't out already and people are complaining?
I'll be happy so long as the overhyperactive 13-year-and-below Naruto fans stop.
Its because we have one at my local anime club… He makes one comment pass on One Piece every time I attend the club. He knows I'm a OP fan.
I really don't get why everyone loves Naruto so much. The fights consist of rampant flashbacks and the characters just staring at each other, the plot is boring and isn't really going anywhere, and no characters other than the main three and Shikamaru get any kind of development.
EDIT: Cosmic, first we gotta see if the anime even adapts that. They may change it, since Shikamaru is still quite young.
Well, if they DON'T change it, then I would certainly raise an eyebrow. I can't see how they could get away with it. But no matter what they do with it, it will be even worse than Sanji because they will have to remove a bit of the story along with the cigarette.
It'll be funny to see what happens though, if they ever get that far.
Shikamaru will probably keep his cig. Like it stated, Naruto gets special privileges cause of how popular it is.
Hahaha right.
Seriously if they could get away with a 15 year old smoking in a cartoon, then they have no excuses for editing anything. At least Sanji is 19.
We care because we care about One Piece and don't want to see Odas work destroyed again.
No, you just whine too much.
If a single letter causes this mch supposed "controversy" it's only because fapboys like you get all up in a tissy over one letter and spew bull about how it will ruin absolutely everything.
Ueh. I'm sure this post pretty much sums up a lot of things already said before, but I thought I may as well give my thoughts. -___- It's six in the freaking morning, though, so please ignore anything dumb.
Honestly, though, people… What difference does it make? It's not like a few bad name translations are going to change the story or anything. And it's not as if someone is going to watch the dub on TV and hear the word "mantora" and think the show is terrible because of it. This is a small, small price to pay. Have you already forgotten the puns? Bon Clay's 'gangsta' voice? The Arabasta toilet jokes? NOTHING could be worse than what 4kids did. From there, though, it can only get better. And I know FUNimation isn't going to add that kind of stuff, so I'm not complaining.
The point is, if you think you can change things, by all means, try. But don't sit and complain about it if there's nothing we can do. Besides, it's not as if you have to call him Zolo.
But seriously… Toei is a company. Not just a company, but a foreign company. And not only that, they're freaking crazy (I love italics >_>) And not Nintendo crazy, either. Sony crazy. I wouldn't expect too much.
I know I'll enjoy it when it comes out, though, so no worries on this side of the spectrum.
Wow.
Just… WOW.
People are complaining about a dub that doesn't even exist yet.
Congratulations: you've set a new low.
Wow.
Just… WOW.
People are complaining about a dub that doesn't even exist yet.
Congratulations: you've set a new low.
Actually, I'm complaining about a SUB that doesn't even exist yet. And better now than when it actually does exist and it's too late to change.
Actually, I'm complaining about a SUB that doesn't even exist yet. And better now than when it actually does exist and it's too late to change.
I think you have ceased making sense.
Sub. It's short for "Subtitle" or specifically in this case "Anime presented with its original audio and translated into English via subtitles."
Fine. Have it your way.
Wow.
Just… WOW.
People are complaining about a sub that doesn't even exist yet.
Congratulations: you've set a new low.
I think you have ceased making sense.
Lol this guy doesn't even know what a sub is. It figures. Go watch the 4Kids version if seeing people actually care about having anime that trys to be faithful to the original bothers you. Same for the rest of the people who have a problem with us.