No offense to Zoro or his fans, but sometimes you just have to wonder.
Does Zoro care at all about his fellow Straw Hats?
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If he didn't, why would he still be with them? He doesn't strike me as the type to spend time with people he doesn't care about.
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I agree with Bevin.
It's Zoro's style to act a bit indifferent. He's not the most social person after all. -
if u also remember how when zoro vs enel, he just charged like crazy at him after he hurt robin
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Nope. He's a douche like that.
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Yeah, Zoro totally hates his fellow crewmembers. Let's forget him getting revenge for Robin and helping saving her later on, or even when he explained how Usopp returning could be terrible, he's totally resentful.
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sometimes you just have to wonder.
No we don't.
I agree with what almost everyone said.
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Zoro doesn't care about strawhats people
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Zoro doesn't care about strawhats people
He wears a headband. That's why.
But he did try to help get Luffy's hat when it blew off before the Buggy arc.
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Too much sarcasm for me to handle.
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He did not look very entushiastic about saving robin or nami, But maybe thats just him….
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He got very upset when Ohm attacked Chopper.
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He detests them. He only hangs around with them because he hates himself even more.
Sorry for adding to the miasma of sarcastic remarks. o_o;;;
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He did not look very entushiastic about saving robin or nami, But maybe thats just him….
If care were measured only by enthusiasm or over-the-top emotionalism, then I'd agree with you : Zoro doesn't really care. But the thing is, care can be shown in different ways, and not all of these ways are loud or obvious. Some ways are contrary too!
For instance :
"being there for someone"
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"giving someone his/her space"Which one is the more caring?
Answer : neither – both are equally valid forms of care in the right context.Back to Zoro though :
As a kid, Zoro's closest relationships were combative/competitive, so he had no frame of reference for a "healthy" (non-combative) friendship. That is to say, he's grown up believing that a real man shouldn't show emotion and that being indifferent to pain and suffering is the noble path. And while this outlook has obviously helped him to get stronger quickly, the cost of his strength has been his isolation from the others. So he's physically strong, but not socially strong.It's not that he doesn't care about his crewmates -- it's just that Zoro doesn't yet know how to give, or accept, care in a healthy way (except perhaps when care comes from Chopper -- and that's probably only because doctors are expected to care for their patients. Even the most indifferent warrior understands the relationship between doctor and patient and accepts it -- especially after being injured).
Unless caught off-guard (as he was when Luffy was unexpecteedly immobilized after fighting Lucci : http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/428.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9265 ) Zoro usually shows concern only in his actions, not his words. He usually frames his concern with negativity, so that the act of caring is downplayed to the point of seeming absent (like when he calls Nami a "bitch" while saving her from Das Bones. Or when he trades insults with Sanji while distracting Arlong's crew from him).
Zoro also seems to have no idea how to react to gratitude. Someone pointed out that apologies are rare for him. I think the number of time's he's said "you're welcome" (or something similar) might be even rarer ! As an example, look at his reaction to Cobra's gratitude : "are you sure you should be doing that?" … Or at his reaction to Sanji when Sanji embarrasses him over the Den-Den by saying "aww, were you worried about me Marimo-kun?").
Possibly the worst thing for Zoro o accept is when he thinks a crewmate might be trying to "milk" concern, like when Nami wants to be carried after he's saved her from Das Bones, after her fight with Doublefinger. True, she's injured her foot and that must be painful to walk on -- but his injuries are far worse, and he also lacks the chivalrous instinct that Sanji has (so he's not going to do it just because she's a woman).
You've mentioned the Robin incident, and that's worth elaborating on because it's contrary to everything I've just said. It's the first time he's ever done anything spontaneously chivalrous for a woman -- and this is a woman he said he "did not trust" just a day or two ago. And not only does he catch her so that she won't hurt herself as she falls, he also sets her down gently and reminds Ener that she's "a woman". Compare that to the rough way that Zoro throws Nami to the ground while saving her from Das Bones in Alubarna (where he refers to Nami as a "bitch", not as a "woman") and you can see that either Zoro's beginning to develop a healthier emotional/social relationship with his crewmates finally ...
.. or else he just really, really likes Robin!
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Zoro always struck me as being the traditional Japanese Man of Action, as best summed up in the TV ad.
Otoko wa damate. Sapporo bi-ru.
He also seems to believe in the concept commonly known as "wipe your own ass", wherein people must take care of their own problems, especially if they brought it on themselves. This would go a long way toward explaining his attitude toward Nami, who traditionally manipulates others into saving her, and Robin, who either avoids conflict through her cunning, or disposes of it with her powers. He may not have totally trusted Robin in the beginning, but he certainly did respect her.
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I was tempted to be sarcastic…but as an example, as much as he finds Nami to be irritating, he was completely and obviously overcome with concern when she was swallowed by the snake in Skypiea and didn't rest until he knew she was safe. Nobody else saw the situation, so if he really didn't care, he could have just shrugged it off and said "well, now I won't have to put up with that bitch anymore.". Of course, maybe he just knows he'd probably not find his way off the island without her...
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@_Meh_:
… people must take care of their own problems, especially if they brought it on themselves. This would go a long way toward explaining his attitude toward Nami, who traditionally manipulates others into saving her
Good point, Meh – this would also explain why Zoro's so reluctant to "team up" with Sanji in the DBF -- because in his mind, that would be like admitting that he couldn't take care of his own problems by himself. Zoro's the first one to suggest that the Alphas team up though, so I think he's not incapable of a cooperative mindset -- it's just not something that happens naturally for him.
He may not have totally trusted Robin in the beginning, but he certainly did respect her.
In some ways they're similar – both have led essentially "solitary" lives while in the company of other people. Both rely on their own abilities (as much as possible) to see them through difficult times and both take responsibility for their actions. Both also have difficulty accepting gratitude and affection.
I think they initially gravitated towards each other because they recognized themselves in each other. And that's probably also why they had difficulty trusting each other in the beginning -- because they recognized their own weaknesses in each other too.
I agree with you about how he seems to respect her. And not just because she had a higher bounty than he did either.
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It could also be noted that Sanji, whose chivalry often makes him foolish, is also not always vocal in his concern for his (male) crewmates. Nevertheless, he does perform small gestures to show his concern for their well-being. In this way, Sanji and Zoro both exude a sort of 'macho' cameraderie; neither really wants to say 'I care about my friends,' but both are willing to act in ways that prove that they do. Luffy is typically quite vocal in his concern for his friends, but then his character is tied for the most childish with Usopp. Chopper's naivette about human society is more childlike than childish. These three are allowed to care vocally and openly without fear of their manliness being slighted, because nobody thinks of them as grown men anyway. Franky makes a very interesting case: here is a grown man, older than every other crewmember to date including Robin, who cares very deeply about his friends and about friendship in general. Yet, he always denies his tears, and says things contrary to his emotional state in order to maintain some aura of machismo. Why did I bother with this review of the Strawhat men and their behaviors? Because the real question isn't "Does Zoro care at all about his fellow Straw Hats?", the real question is "Do the Straw Hats care about each other?"
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@_Meh_:
It could also be noted that Sanji, whose chivalry often makes him foolish, is also not always vocal in his concern for his (male) crewmates. Nevertheless, he does perform small gestures to show his concern for their well-being. In this way, Sanji and Zoro both exude a sort of 'macho' cameraderie; neither really wants to say 'I care about my friends,' but both are willing to act in ways that prove that they do. Luffy is typically quite vocal in his concern for his friends, but then his character is tied for the most childish with Usopp. Chopper's naivette about human society is more childlike than childish. These three are allowed to care vocally and openly without fear of their manliness being slighted, because nobody thinks of them as grown men anyway. Franky makes a very interesting case: here is a grown man, older than every other crewmember to date including Robin, who cares very deeply about his friends and about friendship in general. Yet, he always denies his tears, and says things contrary to his emotional state in order to maintain some aura of machismo. Why did I bother with this review of the Strawhat men and their behaviors? Because the real question isn't "Does Zoro care at all about his fellow Straw Hats?", the real question is "Do the Straw Hats care about each other?"
You pretty much summed up my own feelings on the subject.
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@_Meh_:
Because the real question isn't "Does Zoro care at all about his fellow Straw Hats?", the real question is "Do the Straw Hats care about each other?"
Agreed. On all points – but especially that one!
Any relationship involves at least two people, and when there's more than one person, there's bound to be some conflict as well as some compromise.
Cosmic summed it so well a few months ago, but I can't remember the exact thread it was on, so I can't quote it word for word (sorry Cosmic! I hope I don't mince your words up too much!) She said something like this :
Each of the Mugiwara are so different that they drive each other crazy occasionally -- but at the same time, those differences make the crew well-rounded as a whole. So, even though they yell at each other often, they instinctively know that there's no better place for them to be than with this crew.
That's why I'm eagerly waiting for a chapter when one of the Mugiwara gets within touching distance of his or her dream, but has to decide if it's worth leaving the crew permanently to see that dream realized. (like for instance, if All Blue turns out to be en route to Raftel, not after it ).
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Well on that note Dinty, Zoro already made his decision. If Zoro has to go a different way then Raftel, then he's goin that way.
Of course, he'll probably just get lost and be back with the Straw Hats. =)
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Well, he sure cared about Robin last night!
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@ultimateclima:
Well on that note Dinty, Zoro already made his decision. If Zoro has to go a different way then Raftel, then he's goin that way. Of course, he'll probably just get lost and be back with the Straw Hats. =)
You're right! – his condition for joining was that he could leave if Luffy ever got in the way of his dream. And from what we've seen so far, Zoro does not break his promises and does not let emotional attachments cloud his vision (except for his emotional attachment to Kuina -- which basically eclipses everything else in his life, for better or worse).
I could imagine him letting go of the others fairly easily (well, on the surface at least -- deep down, I'm sure he'd miss them a lot) -- but I bet Luffy would have a very difficult time letting him go, since Zoro was his first mate.
I like your solution : let's hope he gets lost on the way to finding the duel location, and that the Mugiwara strike some sort of bargain with him so that if they show him where the fight is going to be, he has to promise them that he'll return to the crew if he's still alive when the fight is over. :)
Well, he sure cared about Robin last night!
hums "Love Boat" theme
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It's obvious Zolo (hehe) hates the SH. I mean, real men don't have FEELINGS. Feeling are for suckers.
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Sorry to use this as an example (for all you DBZ turncoats out there) but I compare Zoro to Vegeta and all the other strong silent type characters in anime. He loves his crew and secretly wants too bone robin(I know youu see it), but doesnt show it in the loud, zany, over the top way that all the other characters do.
He says what needs too be said and does what needs to be done Thats what makes him cool. Could you imagine Zoro telling luffy how much he admires him, in the wrong situation luffy might kick him out of the crew on account of gayness.
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I'm pretty sure Zoro would've boned Robin a long time ago if he wasn't already in a committed relationship with Sanji.
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Guys, guys, save your fantasies about who's doing whom for the doujinshi thread or for the couples thread.
This one's a FAMILY thread.
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Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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This is what happens when somebody tries to create an intentional misunderstanding
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! This isn't one of those "Zoro is a bastard for trying to leave Usopp at Water Seven" threads is it?
Sorry about the manga spoilers but it seems a lot of this Zoro doesn't care about anyone crap seems to come from that.
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Well, in Skypiea he did a lot to protect Chopper when Ohm attacked him.
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The way I see it, Zoro does care, but at the same time he just seems to NOT want to fight their fights, and/or belives that they have the strength to withstand what comes before them.
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Zoro is just a heartless boob.
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You said boob… lol
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! This isn't one of those "Zoro is a bastard for trying to leave Usopp at Water Seven" threads is it?
Sorry about the manga spoilers but it seems a lot of this Zoro doesn't care about anyone crap seems to come from that.
If that's true, that's lame because it's a big misunderstanding.
Zoro is just a heartless boob.
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If that's true, that's lame because it's a big misunderstanding.
It's Jeremy Hillary Boobie III, Phd! (pronounced : "Fuhd" of course)
Aw Cosmic, you made my day!Back on subject though : Cosmic, did you notice that Zoro and Usopp are interacting more than usual in this chapter? True, they're arguing about religion – but at least they're interacting, so that's probably a good sign that they've moved on from the incident a few chapters ago.
… and since they've moved on, we all probably should too!
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Zoro seemed a lot more like his old self in the current chapter then he has been in a long time. He was nowhere near as "tense" as he as before. Maybe it's because they aren't in the middle of an arc.
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It's Jeremy Hillary Boobie III, Phd! (pronounced : "Fuhd" of course)
Aw Cosmic, you made my day!Yay, a Yellow Submarine Fan. I don't think he had a "III" in his name though. Perhaps this is his grandboob.
Back on subject though : Cosmic, did you notice that Zoro and Usopp are interacting more than usual in this chapter? True, they're arguing about religion – but at least they're interacting, so that's probably a good sign that they've moved on from the incident a few chapters ago.
I'm sure they have moved on. It isn't like Oda to have the main characters holding a continuing grudge against each other. And yes, I think we should all move on too.
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@Chaba:
Sorry to use this as an example (for all you DBZ turncoats out there) but I compare Zoro to Vegeta and all the other strong silent type characters in anime. He loves his crew and secretly wants too bone robin(I know youu see it), but doesnt show it in the loud, zany, over the top way that all the other characters do.
He says what needs too be said and does what needs to be done Thats what makes him cool. Could you imagine Zoro telling luffy how much he admires him, in the wrong situation luffy might kick him out of the crew on account of gayness.
Like Vegeta… no I don't think so... Vegeta was just a small man /still cool) whose pride make him blind from reality... Zoro never let one of his mates get into danger just cause of his pride... he isn't loyal and do whatever he need to become stronger... just till the end of DBZ he becomes "normal"...
He is more like Piccolo for me... Piccolo changed with DBZ in the orginal DB he was still like Vegeta...
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Go watch the ohm fight.
I mean I dont see any evidence ANYWHERE that he doesnt. just because hes not all "party all the time" like everyone else, he still cares about his nakama.
A good question would be do they care about their goals more than their nakama. Like would sanji stay at all blue if they found it on the grand line before the end. and does zoro still keep to the words he said to luffy when he joined: "If you get in the way of my dream, I'll kill you."
but even Robin cares about her crewmates. Shes the only one I could even imagine that might not.(before water 7 of course)
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Yay, a Yellow Submarine Fan. I don't think he had a "III" in his name though. Perhaps this is his grandboob.
Oops! You're right! I've just rewatched the introduction sequence and there's no "III" – which should have been obvious to me without watching the sequence because there are only 4 Beatles and having a "III" would have meant 5 calling cards to be distributed among them. Whoops!
Where did I get the "III" from?
Was the Mayor a "III"?
?!?!Anyways,
For those who have no idea what we're talking about, here's some context :I'm sure they have moved on. It isn't like Oda to have the main characters holding a continuing grudge against each other …
"You mean – you'd take a nowhere man?"
"Yeah. Come on. We'll take you somewhere..."
Word.
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I love that song. The Beatles are quite the awesome. But anyway, Zoro cares about is nakama. I mean, he fought to save Robin, didn't he?
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can some1 tell me the episode where Zoro saves Robin? I want to see that…
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can some1 tell me the episode where Zoro saves Robin? I want to see that…
XKyubbi – the episode (in the anime, I'm assuming) is 180. The save occurs in the last third of the story. If you haven't gone that far in the anime, you should back up to the beginning of the Skypiea arc (which I think is somewhere around 160) and watch that first. But if you don't have the time or interest, here's a YouTube link to the scene.
The scene starts immediately, at about 00:05 --
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thx dinty! Enel is a bastard…
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Eneru, you mean. And yes, we all know that Eneru rapes/eats babies and pregnant teenagers.
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There is no official spelling of Enel/Ener/Eneru's name, so no point in trying to correct someone.
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But he does rape/eat babies and pregnant teenagers.
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Heso! :happy:
I have to say that is one of my favorite scenes with Zoro and in One Piece. It is so terrible with Enel but Robin is so elegantly helped by Zoro. I also like how angry he got.
I believe that there is a lot of times that show how much Zoro cares about his fellow Straw Hats. I like the little times during Water 7 and Enies Lobby that shows his loyalty to the others. It was Zoro that said that they needed to get the keys to save Robin or die trying.
Anyway I am hoping that even when the Straw Hats get thier dreams come true they will stay together.