^yeah, i read the discussions,i loled like hell
well,i think WB is going to lose to someone(Luffy,BB,there are many potential oponents(who knows what´s going to happen))
Blackbeard is stronger then Shanks????
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This thread is ridiculous. How you people argue over words and their possible meanings. It's fairly obvious that there wouldn't be any end to this discussion, simply because there really isn't enough information to make a conclusion.
You people are just making conjectures. And since when did people win debates with conjectures? Assume Whitebeard wins Shanks in a fight. Then Blackbeard wins Whitebeard. Does that necessarily mean Blackbeard would win Shanks in a fight? Obviously not. You just cannot argue based on past battles. So far all the manga has provided us are PERCEPTIONS of powers, opinions told through people, but NEVER facts.
And about the title, "World's Strongest Man".
If you people like taking it so literally, how about this: Shanks isn't human!
OMG new thread for possible races for the Yonkou!
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^well,we can only make conjectures,and the people won´t stop doing so,(cause it´s fun^^)
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This thread is ridiculous. How you people argue over words and their possible meanings. It's fairly obvious that there wouldn't be any end to this discussion, simply because there really isn't enough information to make a conclusion.
You people are just making conjectures. And since when did people win debates with conjectures? Assume Whitebeard wins Shanks in a fight. Then Blackbeard wins Whitebeard. Does that necessarily mean Blackbeard would win Shanks in a fight? Obviously not. You just cannot argue based on past battles. So far all the manga has provided us are PERCEPTIONS of powers, opinions told through people, but NEVER facts.
And about the title, "World's Strongest Man".
If you people like taking it so literally, how about this: Shanks isn't human!
OMG new thread for possible races for the Yonkou!
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I said it already on the first oage… We should sit down and look what will happen cause all this is speculation where we never come to one point...
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^^ Well they must have missed your post XD. Anyway, isn't this what forums are for? Conjectures are fine, but what people are doing here are pulling out their own to disprove other conjectures.
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^^ Well they must have missed your post XD. Anyway, isn't this what forums are for? Conjectures are fine, but what people are doing here are pulling out their own to disprove other conjectures.
Yes it is for… but this thread are full of speculation without clear facts... when it is this way than Mihawk should be a Yonkou cause he is the best swordman and we know Shanks is one too so he is stronger than him... and and and...
To end the discussion... The strongest of all will be Luffy... BB will become maybe stronger than both Shanks and WB but we all know in the end Luffy will be the Pirate King
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All we know on Shanks Vs BB:
Shanks:
-Former rival to Mihawk: Often sparred with him… Rivalry stopped when lost left arm (Shanks good arm).
-Scarred by BB.
-Knew long ago BB was strong.
-Former GR apprentice pirate, became full pirate (or at least captain) upon said captain's death.
-Doesn't like needless bloodshed and appears to avoid it when possible.
-Knows WB is taking the whole situation too lightly
-Fears for Ace's life.
-Not afriad to take on WB at all.
-Not weakened by loss of one arm
-Strong willed.
-No signs of DF or need or desire for oneBlackbeard:
-Scared Shanks while he was not on an adventure (suspect foul play here)
-Believes in fate.
-Never took any promotions in WBs group, never became famous
-Unknown strength to everyone except Shanks
-Doesn't appear to have any rivals
-At Ace's level already (told Nakama to back off from Ace because they were not)
-Prepared to kill to get want he wants
-Also not afriad to take on WB
-Has decided to take things slowly from start to finish, defeating WB in due time.
-Wants to join Shichibukai (one of 3 powers, rival to Yonkou which Shanks + WB are both members of).
-Also strong willed.
-Logia DF user of worst kindaThats just about it... You haven't got enough evidence there to draw anything by the conclusion that if Shanks is worried, it must be for a good dam reason. BB is strong... Maybe stronger then Shanks because if he was weaker Shanks wouldn't be so worried. Or know he has protential to become stronger then even him if left unchecked.
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@Final:
If this is true Poly then what do you have to say about this???
[The most terrible criminal in the world]
[Revolutionary]
[Dragon]
[(Monkey D. Dragon)]
Since he's the most terrible criminal in the world, he must have the highest bounty right? So does that make dragon the strongest One piece character hmmm poly?:blink:**If you actually read my post then you would know that what you= just aid makes little to no sense.
I said the Bounties have to be many times higher, and is Dragon doesn't have a bounty, it's not gonna be 4X Wb's.**
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Since Blackbeard is corrupt, and Shanks appears to have a nearly indomitable will, I'm going with Shanks for the time being. God, I HOPE Shanks is stronger than Blackbeard now. x_x;
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I am 99% sure that NOW Shanks is stronger than BB.He is equal to the world's strongest swordsman , he has a great aura that can defeat enemies without touching them , he can stop the two handed weapon of world's strongest man with only his bad hand(right) and he is one of the Yonkou.What else need i to say to support my opinion?
What i think though is that BB maybe surpass him when he gains perfect control over his DF abilities.
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Why it is so hard to some people to accept that Shanks could be or is same level than Whitebeard? It is sayed in manga and all evidence suggets that.
Whitebeard is old and sick and Shanks is young and very powerful.Heck, one time I even thinked that Shanks in going to be new "World Strongest Man".
Back on topic. No. BB is not stronger than Shanks.
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predevil fruit blackbeard, i believe was weaker than Shanks
Shanks admits he got a scar, from a fair battle, but it doesn't say that he LOST that battle. i'm just going to assume that Shanks got that scar, but in the end, Shanks won
now that Blackbeard has the darkness fruit, i have no clue
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We don´t know how strong Mihawk is and how we can compare Shanks with him, the only that we have seen of Mihawk is how he finished with Don Krieg crew, nothing more and this work is something that Crocodile could do without any effort.
If Blackbeard is equaled Shanks or Mihawk but we don´t know how many power they have in a direct comparision with beasts like DoFlamingo or Shirohige we cannot know the real power of everyone of them.
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Wow this is quite a lot of posts in a day..
I cant believe i read through all of 'em.
Anyway, it really is hard to say who would win now one on one. But lets put down some facts which may help us.
1. Blackbeard gave Shanks a scar more than 10 years ago, wielding power that made Shanks fear for Hiken no Ace's life.
2. While Shanks fought and gained the title of Yonkou, Blackbeard stayed behind in Whitebeard's shadow, gaining strength until he was confident of being able to go against Whitebeard through the Darkness fruit.
3. Shanks lost his good arm. But this probably means he gained tremendous strength in his other arm anyway.
4. Blackbeard coveted the Shichibukai position, which IMO is to gain a crew that can rival WB's through a reputation.
5. The result of a single clash between Whitebeard and Shanks split the sky apart. If you think about it, saying "Impressive!" or "Wah wah whey Whoa!" is just too much an understatement. (It's not even a direct swing at the sky. It's just the remaining energy that wasn't already used to cancel out the other party's attack, meaning most of the force they exerted probably already went into preventing themselves from being split in half.)
6. Blackbeard gained a most unique Devil Fruit, a fruit precious enough for him to forego all pride and impatience to remain behind the shadow of a great power, and to remain fearless of killing a man, a 4th division commander, who was under the moral protection of the Strongest Man In The World.
7. Shanks knew that if Blackbeard dared to go against Whitebeard, it would only mean that he had already gained the strength he needed/wanted.
8. Blackbeard is confident of taking the title of Pirate King (like Luffy, and he's way older and thus has more battle experience than Luffy.) (imagine a Luffy, with 20 to 30 years' worth of hard training. Imagine his strength. Blackbeard's strength could be par with that)
I'm a really great fan of Shanks, seeing what he pulled on Whitebeard's ship and especially the extent to which he was able to sacrifice for Luffy, but I think Blackbeard is stronger than Shanks. I hate to think about it, but the more the story goes, the more I think this really is the case.
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predevil fruit blackbeard, i believe was weaker than Shanks
Shanks admits he got a scar, from a fair battle, but it doesn't say that he LOST that battle. i'm just going to assume that Shanks got that scar, but in the end, Shanks won
So the fact that Teach scarred up Shanks without receiving anything of the sort himself doesn't matter? If nothing else, that would suggest that the two are roughly equivalent. Shanks might have won, but there's a good chance that it came from Blackbeard's desire for anonymity until the time is right for him to act than it was that the notion that Shanks was stronger. Beating Shanks would not accomplish that goal, especially seeing as how Whitebeard apparently views the man as an annoying reminder of Gold Roger.
I see a lot of people suggesting that the two fought when Shanks is just a kid: people forget that Shanks himself is thirty-seven years old now while Ace's comment about Teach having been around twice as long suggests that Teach is about forty-two. There's not that much difference in the ages of the two so it's not like it was a grown man fighting a little kid; I seriously doubt that Shanks would view the fight in the way that he does if it were so lopsided.
The most important thing to me is this: Shanks does not want Ace to confront Blackbeard and chooses to use Whitebeard as an intermediate in the process. He sends a messenger with a note though he seemed to think this would not work from the start (the fact that Whitebeard knew what it was about suggests that Shanks has broached the subject of Teach's strength before and has been rebuffed), and then personally goes to see Newgate. In the process, his ship has to fight its way through a naval blockade and then make contact with somebody who tolerates him at best. He's risking open war with a fellow Yonkou and the World Government both to ask Whitebeard to tell Ace not to fight somebody.
If it's so damn important, why doesn't Shanks try to hunt down Teach himself before Ace can do it? Instead, he tries several ways that he ought to know won't work from past dealings with Whitebeard. At best, Shanks is trying to tell him to get off his ass and deal with Teach personally, which should only infuriate somebody of Newgate's stature and experience. Further, it would seem that Whitebeard interprets Shanks' interest in the matter as a request that he disregard principles that he has held for decades.
Again, Shanks is going to extreme lengths to try and get Whitebeard to intercede rather than simply doing something himself. That doesn't bode well for the notion that Teach was weaker than Shanks before he ate a Devil Fruit.
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well i would say mi hawk must be stronger than Shanks if mi hawk is the best swordsman around. Well after this fight with ace we will see. fights don't normally last 3 days so ace must have done something to stop luffy from being caught maybe ace told black beard to take him to the marines instead of hus little brother.
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As a rough guess, I'd say Blackbeard is stronger than Shanks, going by the scar Shanks got. There is no doubt that Blackbeard is Yonkou level in strength, but I still wouldn't put him higher than Whitebeard.
Also, I believe that Shanks and Blackbeard were weaker than they are now when they faught. Blackbeard was said, after the battle, to be growing rapidly in power and getting stronger than Whitebeard. From that battle with Shanks, where I think Blackbeard was either equal, slightly stronger or slightly weaker than him, I think Blackbeard has increased his power more than Shanks.
So Blackbeard is more powerful. But as I say, he is at Yonkou level, meaning that he can't just walk up to Shanks and K.O him with a few hits.
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not to be a stick in the mud but i have a fair recollection of Zoro openly admitting that if anyone of them(including himself) except luffy went against Luchi they would be killed….
Can u tell me in what chapter Zoro says that, i cant seem to find it.
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Shanks says "Its this wound that aches". When people refere to an aching wound, its either been given in foul play or the business between the scarer and the scared has not been settled.
You'll probabely find out BB let slip one day his strength and cut Shanks off guard since he wasn't expecting it. I don't think a scar was enough to prove his strength over Shanks, but it was enough to make Shanks worry.
As to who would win… When I sumnmed up everything we know about the two in my last post, I pretty much came to the conclusion its far too early to judge either strength.
If we go by the fact Shanks is a Yonkou and a former rival of Mihawk's that proves nothing since Luffy want to suprass the Yonkou them and Zoro wants to surpass Mihawk... Meaning one day, both those guys will be stronger then Shanks. We can judge both those two against Shanks and tell neither of them will be taking him on any time soon. But BB right now, until we get a power level indication of some sort we can't make judgments on strength.
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I don't think that Blackbeard is stronger than Shanks. The wound which he made him was made cunningly not in a open fight. It would somkind of weird when a pirate stronger than one of the Four Emeriors haven't got a bounty. I think that he could be stronger than Ace but not Shanks. Althought Shanks lost his stronger arm and I am not sure if he is stronger than now. (I am not sure if the fight was before or after he lost his arm)
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I think BlackBeard is stronger than Ace, and before the devil fruit slightly weaker than Shanks,but With the DF he still may not be as strong as Shank untill he learns to amster his fruit.
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Blackbeard is stronger than Ace… He is older and he maybe has the best DF...
I think it is the strongest... or one of the strongest... because Blackbeard has a book with all devilfruits and he would have choosen the best fruit...But Blackbeard is not stronger than Shanks... Shanks is One of the Yonkou...
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Blackbeard is stronger than Ace… He is older and he maybe has the best DF...
I think it is the strongest... or one of the strongest... because Blackbeard has a book with all devilfruits and he would have choosen the best fruit...But Blackbeard is not stronger than Shanks... Shanks is One of the Yonkou...
As Luffy proved, a title doesn't mean anything. Just because Shanks is a Yonkou doesn't make him a "God"; it does in the literal sense, but not in actuality.
However, Blackbeard is not as strong as Shanks… yet. If Blackbeard masters his Yami Yami no Mi, he will become extremely powerful. We don't know the extent of his powers because we haven't seen them in action, but it's safe to say they'll be deadly.
Shanks is a swordsman, all the D's shown fighting have been hand-to-hand fighters. Ace uses his fists and his power to fight, hence the name "Fire Fist". Garp uses his fist to fight, hence his nickname "The Fist". Luffy uses mainly his fists to fight. Blackbeard uses his fists and has begun using his powers. And Saul used his fists to fight. The only two D's we haven't seen fight are Roger and Dragon, but it's safe to say they use their fists too. Whitebeard was probably Roger's Don Krieg, only Whitebeard isn't nearly as ignorant of the ways of the Grand Line and a lot stronger.
So, with two different fighting styles, it's tough to say. But right now, Shanks definitely has the advantage.
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I agree with Archtyrant's post.
Wow so many catz get angry over speculation on this forum.
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Hey WHITEBEARD, why do you always put the sunglasses smily at the end of your post? just curious.
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Blackbeard is definitely stronger than Ace…....
but I doubt he is stronger than Shanks, even with the devil fruit.....
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Hey Edward Newgate, aren't YOU the Whitebeard? You're always saying that! ("So?? I'M the Whitebeard!") You should know why you always put that sunglasses yourself! (ok I know this is spam posting)