I'm scared (Christian Fundamentalism).
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Doesn't this belong in media technically?
Either way, this is really…. yeah....
Edit: After seeing the full video... my psychological mind has now been unbalanced with disturbing mental images thanks to that.
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Before this gets moved by taboo and Cosmic, I should note that the subject of this topic is Christian Fundamentalism and I just brought the video up as justification for my fears. The video is not the central topic.
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If it's like that, then, remember what Cosmic said? I think she'd rather us not going into debating or the like about Religion.
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As much as I hate people making negative generalizations about Christianity, sometimes we just really skewer ourselves.
Before this gets moved by taboo and Cosmic, I should note that the subject of this topic is Christian Fundamentalism and I just brought the video up as justification for my fears. The video is not the central topic.
Well, what about Christian Fundamentalism then? Do you really want to discuss it, or do you want to talk about Christianity as shown by that video?
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That kicked ass.
Don't worry Terek, in the future what we'll more likely see is a reverting to Christians being banned and persecuted like they are in other countries. Most true political movements that cater to fundamental Christians are really nothing more than political ploys that really have nothing to do with faith itself. Christianity was never meant to be a political movement.
However I respect the idea of teaching children to be warriors for Christ. But the idea is fundamentally a spiritual warfare…because the our enemies are not flesh and blood, but in the spiritual realm, and that's what full armour of God and all that is about...not physical warfare.
And no, I do not think debating religion is a good idea on this board, the Admin past and present have always tried to shy away from these topics because they can turn into flame wars really fast.
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They already make 'warriors of christ' PJs, Cos. I think it may be too late.
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Well, what about Christian Fundamentalism then? Do you really want to discuss it, or do you want to talk about Christianity as shown by that video?
Well, that video got me all fired up and I've got my can of worms handy to kick off a (civil) criticism regarding the religious fundamentalist movement (which is what I originally intended), but if it is going to bait flames I'll retract and we can just talk about the upcoming movie.
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They already make 'warriors of christ' PJs, Cos. I think it may be too late.
lol, did they really?
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They already make 'warriors of christ' PJs, Cos. I think it may be too late.
Uh-oh…guess we can assume Christ will be returning shortly. If you don't see me suddenly, I was raptured.
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I hate Christianity.
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And so it begins.
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Well, that video got me all fired up and I've got my can of worms handy to kick off a (civil) criticism regarding the religious fundamentalist movement (which is what I originally intended), but if it is going to bait flames I'll retract and we can just talk about the upcoming movie.
I have no interest in the "fundamentalist movement". I don't consider myself a fundamentalist, but I am a very hardcore in my faith…the two aren't the same.
Most of the time religion mixing with politics pisses me off.Anyway...please don't bait flame wars. If you really want to discuss stuff like this...tread lightly and don't go saying things you KNOW will tick people off.
@Invader:
I hate Christianity.
And this is exactly the reason why we hate these kinds of threads. If this is the kind of posts it's going to produce, it can't be here. We do have a rule against slamming other people's race and religion. Don't do it. One more comment like this and the thread is locked.
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I had no real problem with this, until the whole 'political' thing and "This means war." By then, I just had to go "wha…?"
Cosmic pretty much spoke my own views on the matter.
They already make 'warriors of christ' PJs, Cos. I think it may be too late.
"Don't fight naked." Best Christian t-shirt ever. XD
! It's actually referring to the "armor of God," but I think the OOC feel to it was part of the reasoning. One woman we know bought her youth group these shirts and had everyone where them to church. Now that would have been interesting to see. Xp
Uh-oh…guess we can assume Christ will be returning shortly. If you don't see me suddenly, I was raptured.
Hah, ditto, I suppose. XD
I have no interest in the "fundamentalist movement". I don't consider myself a fundamentalist, but I am a very hardcore in my faith…the two aren't the same.
Most of the time religion mixing with politics pisses me off.I don't even know what in the world this whole "fundamentalist" thing is, but I'm thinking the same as you concerning the politics (not that we shouldn't totally disregard politics, but don't let them control each other…).
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I'll have to see the movie before I can form an opinion on this. Though the trailer makes it looks like this is absurd, I'm going to see the film before I make my opinion.
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no offense to Christians…. But this and that Lady sickens me. "This means war"!? "We are going to be god's Army"!? And what happens to people with the slightest affiliation to Satan? Weather it be Satanists, or in my situation Being born on the six day of the six month at six o'clock! To me it sounds like these people want to destroy people with that type of affiliation AND non-christians!
This isn't something you would think from Christians. I Mean. Are Christains and Satanists going to War!?
Sorry If I'm over-reacting..... This just scares me.
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I have no interest in the "fundamentalist movement". I don't consider myself a fundamentalist, but I am a very hardcore in my faith…the two aren't the same.
Most of the time religion mixing with politics pisses me off.As am I, perhaps moreso than any other person on this forum, but even I cannot help but feel afraid of these people because they are very…vocal, especially with regard to politics.
Of course, religious and political mixings are of great interest me, since I am an economist and political scientist. XO
I don't even know what in the world this whole "fundamentalist" thing is, but I'm thinking the same as you concerning the politics (not that we shouldn't totally disregard politics, but don't let them control each other…).
In sum, christian fundamentalism is a decentralized form of Christianity. Instead of an emphasis on good works, fundamentalists focus on personal salvation and spiritualism. They favour a strict (literal) reading of the Bible, believe religion should be integral to all aspects of life, and feel they have a moral duty to spread the Christian gospel to all the corners of the planet.
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And this is exactly the reason why we hate these kinds of threads. If this is the kind of posts it's going to produce, it can't be here. We do have a rule against slamming other people's race and religion. Don't do it. One more comment like this and the thread is locked.
Listen here, I didn't bash anyone or anything. Bashing is saying something like "Chirsitianity sucks" or "Christians are idiots". Did I type this? No I did not. I said my personal opinion about something. I hate Christianity. It's not bashing, it's my personal opinion. Learn the difference between bashing and saying an opinion.
And if I'm not allowed to say what I think about Christianity, then you, nor anyone else, should be allowed to say anything about it, either. Good or bad. We want to be fair, don't we?
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It might have been better if you said why you hate christianity. Just saying "I hate Christianity" seems kinda trollish to me.
After reading all the replies, I must say Cosmic has a damn good point. I agree with her. And this warefare scares me too. Just why would God want an army? He wants peace for his creations.
Anyone know the name of the song that played while the kids had that war makeup on?
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@Pass:
It might have been better if you said why you hate christianity. Just saying "I hate Christianity" seems kinda trollish to me.
It wasn't trollish. :\ All someone had to do was ask "why?" and I would have calmly answered.
Speaking of which, I will say why I hate it. Christianity, despite it being about "loving thy neighbor" and all that, has inspired so much hatred.
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@Invader:
Listen here, I didn't bash anyone or anything. Bashing is saying something like "Chirsitianity sucks" or "Christians are idiots". Did I type this? No I did not. I said my personal opinion about something. I hate Christianity. It's not bashing, it's my personal opinion. Learn the difference between bashing and saying an opinion.
Sorry to say, but that actually is trolling. Just as much as going into the Naruto thread and saying "I hate Naruto" or in a forum like this going "I hate One Piece"
without a legitimate reason anyways.
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In sum, christian fundamentalism is a decentralized form of Christianity. Instead of an emphasis on good works, fundamentalists focus on personal salvation and spiritualism. They favour a strict (literal) reading of the Bible, believe religion should be integral to all aspects of life, and feel they have a moral duty to spread the Christian gospel to all the corners of the planet.
Instead of an emphasis on good works, I (as a Christian) believe in salvation through Christ, believe in a literal reading of the bible (in every instance except parables and dreams), believe my relationship with Christ should be an integral to every aspect of my life (though no one's perfect; would be the reason Christ died in the first place, no?), and believe I have the [right? will? honour?] to share Christ's grace and love to all corners of the planet (or my neighbors and classmates; whichever needs it).
So I'm not totally understanding what's wrong with it, unless they're ones that focus too much on the "religion" itself compared to actually trying to demonstrate God through their life (i.e., help and love people for starters : | ).
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@yokaiforte:
Sorry to say, but that actually is trolling.
No it isn't. This is a discussion about Christian Fundamentalism, and I said my opinion. Then, when someone asked, I explained my opinion. Read my fucking post. And don't be so sensative, people.
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So I'm not totally understanding what's wrong with it, unless they're ones that focus too much on the "religion" itself compared to actually trying to demonstrate God through their life (i.e., help and love people for starters : | ).
Fundamentalists tend to be intolerant of all other sects of religion; christian fundamentalists consider Catholics (my church) and other Christians to be heretics, Islamics to be heathens, and everyone else to be Pagan; in this, they believe in a strong punishment in the afterlife unless members of any of the above religions converts to christian fundamentalism, goes through a spirital rebirth, and spread the gospel.
There's really nothing wrong with that view, but where people are getting unnerved (like myself) is where christian fundamentalists (specifically rapturists) are getting into politics to force people toward a fundamentalist christianity. Fundie christians are descendents of Calvinists, and, prior to the George W. Bush administration, not a single calvinist ever held high political office. In all of history, there are only two such fundies; George Bush himself and John Ashcroft.
The reason for this, as justified by ol' Tommy Jefferson, was that they were not representative of Christianity as a whole (and were more akin to a cult) and needed to stay out of politics because they would use it as a tool to impose their gospel on other people. Hence, we had two hundred years of strict seperation of church and state.
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@Invader:
Listen here, I didn't bash anyone or anything. Bashing is saying something like "Chirsitianity sucks" or "Christians are idiots". Did I type this? No I did not. I said my personal opinion about something. I hate Christianity. It's not bashing, it's my personal opinion. Learn the difference between bashing and saying an opinion.
And if I'm not allowed to say what I think about Christianity, then you, nor anyone else, should be allowed to say anything about it, either. Good or bad. We want to be fair, don't we?
Let's look at this another way.
Let's say someone started a topic about a gay rights movie, or a movie about black history, and someone posted a post that said simply "I hate blacks" or "I hate gays", etc. Do we really care to know why? You can post all kinds of facts on how blacks are responsible for a large percentage of crime and gang activity and how they have lower literacy rates than other races, but does that make your opinion any less of a hateful prejudice?Yeah, a lot of religions are used by people to do bad things…the thing is...it's not so much that Christianity inspires hatred as there are hateful people who are looking for anything they can to justify it. If you really follow the exampe that Jesus sets seriously, you CAN'T be hateful unless you're so messed up in the head with your hatefullness that you managed to twist things around that much. And it really doesn't help that someone should hate Christianity in return because of things like this...if you dislike hatred, don't be guilty of it yourself.
In sum, christian fundamentalism is a decentralized form of Christianity. Instead of an emphasis on good works, fundamentalists focus on personal salvation and spiritualism.
What's wrong with personal salvation and spiritualism?
A Christian should do both. Or rather, as the bible teaches, through your relationship with Christ, we should be inspired to live our lives to serve others.They favour a strict (literal) reading of the Bible, believe religion should be integral to all aspects of life, and feel they have a moral duty to spread the Christian gospel to all the corners of the planet.
Spreading the gospel central to Christianity. Jesus taught it as did all the early apostles. HOW it's to spread it is that matter that gets controversial and subject to criticism. It shouldn't be a "moral duty" but simply a privelage that we're happy to do … like telling all your friends how great One Piece is and why they should read it.
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I'll go ahead and post my opinion on here, which I'll try to keep from flaming on.
I believe that modern day religion, almost all of the religons today actually, are corrupt and not teaching the beliefs that they were founded on.
Plus if the higher powers that be exist* like christianity, why would a person go to a building to worship where god is post to be in your heart? Or why would people have faith in a book that was rewritten by a king, to suit his personal beliefs over the faith? Or would a higher power actually believe that it is ok to consider one race of people not as good as another?
It a TRUE higher power exist, then why does it remain hidden for the most part, while evil itself shows itself all the time according to the prophets?
Religion to me is believing in yourself, yes there is probably a higher power in life that actually controlls a person's overall destiny, but we still walk the path to that ultimate destiny that the higher power's have set out for us.
*I say higher powers that be because it is easier to use when speaking of all religions and in my belief, god isn't a figure but a force that flows throughout our universe. Kind of like the Star War's force.
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There's really nothing wrong with that view, but where people are getting unnerved (like myself) is where christian fundamentalists (specifically rapturists) are getting into politics to force people toward a fundamentalist christianity. Fundie christians are descendents of Calvinists, and, prior to the George W. Bush administration, not a single calvinist ever held high political office. In all of history, there are only two such fundies; George Bush himself and John Ashcroft.
The reason for this, as justified by ol' Tommy Jefferson, was that they were not representative of Christianity as a whole (and were more akin to a cult) and needed to stay out of politics because they would use it as a tool to impose their gospel on other people. Hence, we had two hundred years of strict seperation of church and state.
Okay, yes, that I understand.
I always find the 'seperation of church and state' rather interesting. So many seem to take it as meaning stuff like "no prayers in school" and taking the Ten Commandments out of public areas (though why they wish to keep out good moral codes, I can't understand…). Yet that was never the intent of it. Heck, it was never even a LAW.The whole point, as you said, was to keep any religion from controlling the government AND keep the government from controlling and establashing a single state religion (freedom of religion was one of the points of this country to start with, yes?).
Spreading the gospel central to Christianity. Jesus taught it as did all the early apostles. HOW it's to spread it is that matter that gets controversial and subject to criticism. It shouldn't be a "moral duty" but simply a privelage that we're happy to do … like telling all your friends how great One Piece is and why they should read it.
Hah, that comparison goes through my head all the time. XD
I think one of the biggest issues is many 'Christians' practice of condemnation on non-believers. Yes, they're doing things against the will of God, but do most of them really know any better? And if they do, how is bashing the life out of them going to do any good? Give them a reason to WANT something better, to actually WANT God.
If anything, I'd sooner shoot down a fellow Christian 'preaching' (or acting) the wrong way than a lost soul who's never known grace.
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Let's look at this another way.
Let's say someone started a topic about a gay rights movie, or a movie about black history, and someone posted a post that said simply "I hate blacks" or "I hate gays", etc. Do we really care to know why? You can post all kinds of facts on how blacks are responsible for a large percentage of crime and gang activity and how they have lower literacy rates than other races, but does that make your opinion any less of a hateful prejudice?There's a HUGE difference between race/sexuality and religion. You CHOOSE your religion. You do not choose your race nor your sexuality. If someone hates Christianity, they hate the ideals of that religion or some other factor about it. They don't hate the Christians. But when someone says they hate "Blackness" or "Homosexuality", one has to wonder.
And it really doesn't help that someone should hate Christianity in return because of things like this…if you dislike hatred, don't be guilty of it yourself.
I hate Christianity, not Christians. I hate an ideal, a religion. Not the people.
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I was raised with a Methodist Church.
They accept homosexuals.
They don't all believe the Earth and all its glory was conceived of in 7 days.
Hell, I don't even believe in the ressurection.
What I do believe is that many of the stories in the Bible (and for Chrissake, not all of them) are excellent blueprints for how to live one's life.
Christianity is no different from any other religion or way of life that has pronounced 'archaic' left-overs like casting down people of a certain way of life, etc. I mean, like I really believe someone sat under a tree and meditated for 40 something days or a Amaterasu sent her grandson (or was it great grandson?) down into the Yamato plain to 'grace the land with purity'.
It's all bullshyt.
But wrapped up in that bullshyt you can find EXCELLENT parables for living your life in a decent manner that benefits not only you, but more importantly, those and the world around you.
If you can accept that much out of any religion, you're set.
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Invader Pichu: You can say that kind of stuff about any religion… the religion itself is not the problem, the people abusing it and twisting it to sway the minds of those less capable to interpret it themselves is the problem.
I mean, come on, I'm an atheist and I can still respect the body of religion -- any religion -- for what it is. Many people put their faith into their book and they believe in its texts genuinely. Sins are what twist religion, not religion twisting us. You can meet dickhead atheists as much as you can meet friendly ones, same with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus; and yeah even Buddhists. Ever hear of Soka Gakkai ? :P
Point is, you deliberately posted that opinion, you knew it would get you in shit in this thread and you haven't even bothered to back up your claim with examples of why you think the way you think. So, yeah, you are trolling. Patch it up, shape up, or get out of the thread.
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I hate homosexuality.
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Hey hey now, you too. blows whistle
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Point is, you deliberately posted that opinion, you knew it would get you in shit in this thread and you haven't even bothered to back up your claim with examples of why you think the way you think. So, yeah, you are trolling. Patch it up, shape up, or get out of the thread.
People don't seem to know how to read.
No I am not trolling.
I stated already why I hated Christianity.
I do not hate Christians, just the religion.
Stop being so sensative.
Yes, there are assholes in every religion. Even in my own religion there are assholes (lots of them, almost to the point of making me want reconsider calling myself of that faith). But no religion, as I see it, has inspired so much hatred and bigotry.
In the name of the Christian god, people have hated and discriminated against:
~Homosexuals
~Pagans
~Jews
~Blacksand loads of others.
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I have to see this best laugh movie of the year
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What's wrong with personal salvation and spiritualism?
A Christian should do both. Or rather, as the bible teaches, through your relationship with Christ, we should be inspired to live our lives to serve others.Not everyone in the United States is Christian, so flaunting relegious spiritualism can be seen as an infringement on a person's first amendment right to freedom of religion, specifically the agnositics and atheists. Granted, this claim has also been made against Muslims who are mandated by their faith to pray in public, but it's the excessive stuff (which is widely interpreted as having an alterior motive beyond "praise") that tends to be controversial.
Regarding salvation, I do not believe I have to establish a personal connection with God to go to Heaven. I'm rather indifferent about going to Heaven or Heck because I view them as equally bad; instead, I'd much rather make life a bit more enjoyable for those less fortunate than I, specifically through good deeds, donations, voluntering and good will.
Spreading the gospel central to Christianity.
Spreading any religious dogma is a cornerstone of all religious movements, not just Christianity.
Jesus taught it as did all the early apostles. HOW it's to spread it is that matter that gets controversial and subject to criticism. It shouldn't be a "moral duty" but simply a privelage that we're happy to do … like telling all your friends how great One Piece is and why they should read it.
Agreed, of course.
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@Invader:
People don't seem to know how to read.
No I am not trolling.
I stated already why I hated Christianity.
I do not hate Christians, just the religion.
Stop being so sensative.
Read what I said again. You didn't back it up with actual facts to support your unfounded opinion, all you offered are prejudices and preconceived notions.
And would you not tell me to be so sensitive on the issue ? I don't give two fucks about Christianity, but I do respect everyone else's right here to talk about it without you shitting it up and being thick-headed about it.
Think about it a little more before you try and backtalk a mod, mmkay.
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Yes yes, we very well know that Pichu.
I would also like to interject that pretty much EVERY Religion pretty much has done so, speaking of moral values and going on some sort of religious rampage, such as the crusades, today right now, Shinto law in Japan during WWII, Romans causing the diaspora of Jews, etc.
No religion is safe.
It is your choice to believe, but going outright in a thread and only explaining your thinking only after a couple of posts, it is indeed trolling.
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Read what I said again. You didn't back it up with actual facts to support your unfounded opinion, all you offered are prejudices and preconceived notions.
I posted a reply to someone else, and stated why I hated it. I guess you were too lazy to read it. Or perhaps you were just too eager to shout at me that you paid it no mind.
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Carly your new avatar is scaring my mind!!!!
neway, do I believe in organized religon? no. Do I believe that what I do during my life will effect my "life" after death? no. Although do I respect others peoples need to believe this? Yes….....too a point the people in this video are pushing it.
oh and I don't understand the concept of Faith, people taking pride believing in something that there is no proof for....
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@yokaiforte:
It is your choice to believe, but going outright in a thread and only explaining your thinking only after a couple of posts, it is indeed trolling.
Call it what you like, it doesn't mean I was trolling. Perhaps a poorly contructed post, rather.
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oh and I don't understand the concept of Faith, people taking pride believing in something that there is no proof for….
Well, technically you cannot prove or disprove god/goddess/gods/what have you.
That's why I take an agnostic approach to it, though I am leaning on the "there is no god/goddess/gods" side.
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I'll go ahead and post my opinion on here, which I'll try to keep from flaming on.
That's fine, you did so in a very level headed way, and that's all I ask. I respect your opinion.
I believe that modern day religion, almost all of the religons today actually, are corrupt and not teaching the beliefs that they were founded on.
That is true…except for that it's not all that difficult to research and discover what the original beliefs and teachings are.
Plus if the higher powers that be exist* like christianity, why would a person go to a building to worship where god is post to be in your heart?
Actually, the bible says to worhip God in your heart…church buildings is something that came about for political reasons, in the early days people just went to their homes, mostly because Christianity was illegal until Constantine got a wild hair and decided to make it the official religion, good for stopping persecution, but bad in a lot of ways since a lot of things that the early movement worked to get rid of was reinstated dispite Jesus's clear, vocalized rebuking of it.
Or why would people have faith in a book that was rewritten by a king, to suit his personal beliefs over the faith?
You haven't actually studied the history of scripture, have you?
Or would a higher power actually believe that it is ok to consider one race of people not as good as another?
God pretty much says a big NO to that in scripture.
It a TRUE higher power exist, then why does it remain hidden for the most part, while evil itself shows itself all the time according to the prophets?
:blink: That's not true. But fact is, people have free will…people tend to choose to do evil things. We all have that freedom of choice. Evil tends to get the most attention in the media.
I find it interesting that you do believe in the concept of evil, though. How do you decide what is universally evil?Religion to me is believing in yourself
Believe in myself…I know myself...and I'm hardly worthy of being believed in, I'm very faulted. XD No matter how much "self esteem" or good thoughts I can muster up in me, they don't really accomplish much without an power greater than I.
yes there is probably a higher power in life that actually controlls a person's overall destiny, but we still walk the path to that ultimate destiny that the higher power's have set out for us.
This contradicts your former statement. If we have a destiny set by a higher power, why should we believe in ourselves and rather than the higher power who set the path in the first place?
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Yokaiforte, I have to say this. I use to be like you, and against homosexuals. Then I discovered that one of my best friends in high school was gay. It opened my eyes because the way that everyone said that a homosexual is evil an etc (christains) Ryan wasn't. He remained himself, he was always Ryan, just because he liked guys didn't change my opinion of him. Homosexuality isn't a bad thing, it's just a thing. Nothing wrong with it because you have to look past labels and see that those labels that was told aboot homosexuals from christains were false. Look at the person.
Would you let a homosexual man or woman die if they need help? Could your soul bare the thought that you let someone suffer because they were not like you? If you just look at the person as a homosexual, then you have no soul, you just have a black heart. True people look past the labels and see that a person is a person
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Ha ha, GSR I think he was just joking when he posted that.
oh and I don't understand the concept of Faith, people taking pride believing in something that there is no proof for….
Well, it isn't too farfetched to believe that there are things that are beyond the reaches of our 5 senses or beyond our level of comprehension.
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Ha ha, GSR I think he was just joking when he posted that.
Got that right.
I don't hate homosexuals. I'd just prefer to not be one of them.
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@Invader:
People don't seem to know how to read.
No I am not trolling.
I stated already why I hated Christianity.
I do not hate Christians, just the religion.
It has the same weight. You may not hate me personally, but you hate something that I associate myself with. This is a big part of who I am. But OK, I can accept your opinion, now that you've at least started explaining yourself. Although you're still kind of being a jerk.
In the name of the Christian god, people have hated and discriminated against:
~Homosexuals
~Pagans
~Jews
~Blacksand loads of others.
The thing is though….as I said, if you are a true Christian, you don't hate anyone, because we're told that hating people is the same as murder.
People have hated and discriminated and used all kinds of things as an excuse, but they extrapolated that from their own twisted opinions, it's not that the religion itself teaches it. So you are hating Christianity based on lame people.and btw, particularly hating jews is incredibly retarded if you're a supposed Christian, since the entire religion is simply an offshoot of Judaism. In fact we're told that we're blessed if we bless israel, and cursed if we curse israel.
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That's fine, you did so in a very level headed way, and that's all I ask. I respect your opinion.
This contradicts your former statement. If we have a destiny set by a higher power, why should we believe in ourselves and rather than the higher power who set the path in the first place?
Thanks for the first statement, when people discuss religion they should keep a level head or it will be ruined.
Second, I have a weird way of looking at the world, I was raised as a christian then studied 3/4 of the worlds religion during high school after my grandmum passed away.
A person believes in themself because they shouldn't depend on a higher power to help them. If a person depends on a higher power, then they will truely never discover themself since they will believe that the higher power will take care of them.
Even though the higher power sets us on our paths, there are multiple offshoots that can change our destiny. In all reality a person needs to understand and believe in the higher power but understand that they will have also believe that they are doing the right thing. Like a taijitu, you must find an equal balance.
Hopefully my answer helps you understand my earlier post.
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@Invader:
~Homosexuals
~Pagans
~Jews
~Blacksand loads of others.
Isn't that just a nice way of saying everyone who doesn't like their book?
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It has the same weight. You may not hate me personally, but you hate something that I associate myself with. This is a big part of who I am. But OK, I can accept your opinion, now that you've at least started explaining yourself. Although you're still kind of being a jerk.
If it means anything, some of my closest friends are big time Christians. I respect them 100%, despite their choice of religion. Heck, one of my Christian friends HATES pronography but he still respects me even though I'm a big porn fanatic and I draw the stuff.
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Isn't that just a nice way of saying everyone who doesn't like their book?
Nope. Homosexuals can still be christians. So can African Americans.