Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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I agree to that. Jimbe was introduced and had substantial development time to be established as a Strawhat. He is a really awesome character.
Love Jinbei too. The voice of reason that crewmembers will respect. Not every one respects Zoro's blunt way of expressing his thoughts to the crew. Jinbei however is a true boss.
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I still believe that Ivankov would be a better crew doctor than Chopper. And a better chef than Sanji.
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Why do people keep arguing about Electro as if its a trained ability for the Minks? Although not directly stated, it was implied that even babies could use it. We even saw small children using it on Jack's forces. They were stated to be born-warriors.
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Why do people keep arguing about Electro as if its a trained ability for the Minks? Although not directly stated, it was implied that even babies could use it. We even saw small children using it on Jack's forces. They were stated to be born-warriors.
Or, you know, trained from birth?
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@Count:
I still believe that Ivankov would be a better crew doctor than Chopper. And a better chef than Sanji.
It's just that he's a bit too good at what he does. Those hormone abilities can bring people back from the brink of death and solve temporary stamina issues. It's just too hax like Law's abilities. The strawhats are usually people who have room for growth. If you're already the best at what you do and have nothing to prove there's no room for you on this ship…
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We wouldn't be arguing about it if the "true form of the minks" wasn't something you had to be trained on.
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@Count:
I still believe that Ivankov would be a better crew doctor than Chopper. And a better chef than Sanji.
No thank you. I don't think I could handle the constant gender swapping of the Strawhats….lol
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Love Jinbei too. The voice of reason that crewmembers will respect. Not every one respects Zoro's blunt way of expressing his thoughts to the crew. Jinbei however is a true boss.
I agree. Don't get me wrong. I like Carrot, but there hasn't been much develeopment for her so far. Things can change in the future, but still nothing at the moment.
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@K.:
We wouldn't be arguing about it if the "true form of the minks" wasn't something you had to be trained on.
Not quite sure what you mean but it's implied all can use it but only some have honed it to the point they're fully in control of it.
No thank you. I don't think I could handle the constant gender swapping of the Strawhats….lol
Another parallel iva shares with hax Law. Gender swap and body swap. Broken lol
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It's just that he's a bit too good at what he does. Those hormone abilities can bring people back from the brink of death and solve temporary stamina issues. It's just too hax like Law's abilities. The strawhats are usually people who have room for growth. If you're already the best at what you do and have nothing to prove there's no room for you on this ship…
Then insert more flaws with his abilities. Like the human body not being able to withstand those same types of brutal experiences more than once.
But… Jinbe's already the best helmsman in the world. I doubt we're getting any helmsmanship battles lol.
lol I was only kidding though. Maybe... But yes, Ivankov would obviously need to be more flawed to work. But still, his characterization is so much cooler than Chopper always being useless without another surgeon/scientist or Sanji's chivalry.
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I didn't realize seemingly so many people wanted Chopper to copy the Minks' abilities.
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Not quite sure what you mean but it's implied all can use it but only some have honed it to the point they're fully in control of it.
Sulong could be much like haki. All the Minks have the potential to awaken it, but to master it you got to train it. To elaborate more on this, that would be instead of they all undergo the transformation regardless. I would say that it is the latter because how Wanda mentioned the Straw Hats were lucky the moon was covered.
We simply don't know. But several times now, the Minks have mentioned training to be ingrained in their culture. When they were saying even kids could fight they asked something along the lines of: "can you really afford to make each citizen in this country your enemy, and the musketeers that have gone through even more training..". And with the reveal that an aspect if you'd like of Sulong involves training. And the Minks are a Warrior tribe, could their techniques be more based on training than genetics?
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Then insert more flaws with his abilities. Like the human body not being able to withstand those same types of brutal experiences more than once.
But… Jinbe's already the best helmsman in the world. I doubt we're getting any helmsmanship battles lol.
lol I was only kidding though. Maybe... But yes, Ivankov would obviously need to be more flawed to work. But still, his characterization is so much cooler than Chopper always being useless without another surgeon/scientist or Sanji's chivalry.
How many times has Luffy lost lifespan through use of his abilities and undergoing crazy procedures. Won't come into play until the story is finished though. Like how Law's room expansion has the lifespan "drawback" but we won't see it come into play until God knows when. Just a cheap drawback that can't really be called as such for time being.
To be fair franky is probably best shipwright already but still needs to do complete the adventure to be awarded that title.
I didn't realize seemingly so many people wanted Chopper to copy the Minks' abilities.
People want him to have an upgrade so it makes sense that he gets one from imitating people that look like him I guess.
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How many times has Luffy lost lifespan through use of his abilities and undergoing crazy procedures. Won't come into play until the story is finished though. Like how Law's room expansion has the lifespan "drawback" but we won't see it come into play until God knows when. Just a cheap drawback that can't really be called as such for time being.
At least it would help Luffy's constant survival make more sense.
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Thanks for replying! But thats a bit tiresome. I think I will pass on the quote thing.
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That is not what I meant. I meant to say that Randolph could have asked one of his crew mates (Such as Pekoms), how to emit Electro. There are tons of minks in Tottoland. He could have asked them too. Since they are all allies, it wouldn't be crazy to think that maybe they might try to help him out.
–It says that even babies have the gift of self defence. I get that they are in a warrior society but that is too much. How can they try and train their babies that are still being breastfed for combat? That would be unreasonable of the minks. Randolph is around Pekoms. Pekoms is a strong mink who has some fairly significant level of authority in Big Mom's crew seeing as he was paired with Tamago.
I almost forgot Luffy and Usopp too, thanks for reminding me.
What are these out of interest?
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But is Sanji a water bender? Maybe he can master all four elements if he's the Avatar since he already mastered fire bending though. I can miss subtle details like that.
Excuse my ignorance but I thought that the water bending was a skill of fishman karate. I thought that anyone can water bend if they know fishman karate. Apologies if this is not the case.
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Chopper still has the superior skill to Jimbei. Chopper can talk to all animals whereas Jimbei can only talk to fish. They same sort of thing can be applied with Carrot though. Other crewmembers can look through a pair of binoculars, but Carrot can jump really high and can float up there. That makes her skill superior to the others. Yes Sanji can use sky walk, but he can also use blue walk and shoot down to the fish with a den den mushi and get Chopper to talk to the fish that way. Just because the straw hats can still do these things without Jimbei doesn't make Jimbei useless.–
Can the same not be said for Carrot and Chopper? Carrot and Chopper's relationship isn't like Mihawk and Zoro or Rayleigh and Luffy. Why would Carrot teach Chopper electro? How to float? How to use ceylon?–
Or maybe because the straw hats have better stuff than impact and flame dials now?More than half the straw hats can produce fire on their own. Why would a flame dial be useful? I know you just used it as a general example, but I'm showing how the straw hats have better stuff now.
We didn't know that Jimbei had exceptional helming skills hundreds of chapters after his introduction. I'm not saying that Carrot is some sort of legendary lookout 100% confirmed or anything. I am just saying that there is a possibility that Oda could reveal her to have a talent for this skill later on.
–We still do not know all that Carrot can do yet. There is tons of mystery surrounding the minks. We could see something related to how Luffy didn't notice the minks behind him when on Zou.
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When the straw hats were fighting the Kraken descending to fishman island and Sanji first showed Blue Walk.
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@K.:
I would only say that is your implication. Sulong could be much like haki. All the Minks have the potential to awaken it, but to master it you got to train it. We simply don't know. But several times now, the Minks have mentioned training to be ingrained in their culture. When they were saying even kids could fight they asked something along the lines of: "can you really afford to make each citizen in this country your enemy, and the musketeers that have gone through even more training..". And with the reveal that an aspect if you'd like of Sulong involves training. And the Minks are a Warrior tribe, could their techniques be more based on training than genetics?
Doubt it's something that needs unlocking. I say that because of what Inuarashi said about the rematch with Jack. "True form of the minks…" seemed pretty broad to me. A handful of minks with a transformation like that isn't going to dent Kaido's troops in a significant enough way.
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Doubt it's something that needs unlocking. I say that because of what Inuarashi said about the rematch with Jack. "True form of the minks…" seemed pretty broad to me. A handful of minks with a transformation like that isn't going to dent Kaido's troops in a significant enough way.
I elaborated on my post further. Yeah, but with the reveal that it needs training, then what good is a bunch of out of control furries?
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@K.:
I elaborated on my post further. Yeah, but with the reveal that it needs training, then what good is a bunch of out of control furries?
They're crazy strong and wild enough to go toe to toe with another crew who are known for being savage as fuck? When it comes to fighting in a war of numbers who needs their senses in tact to fight?
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People want him to have an upgrade so it makes sense that he gets one from imitating people that look like him I guess.
Guess I shouldn't be surprised, given the metric ton of weight people have managed to give the innocuous remark of Zou having a bunch of Choppers.
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Guess I shouldn't be surprised, given the metric ton of weight people have managed to give the innocuous remark of Zou having a bunch of Choppers.
I see where they're coming from. Just wished he was whizzed off to the land of animals in his timeskip training but combat isn't his forte more like medicinal enhancements and power augmentation is.
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Guess I shouldn't be surprised, given the metric ton of weight people have managed to give the innocuous remark of Zou having a bunch of Choppers.
Sounds almost as ridiculous as Nami learning weather manipulating tricks from old men who control weather like she does.
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@Rival:
Thanks for replying! But thats a bit tiresome. I think I will pass on the quote thing.
Everyone has their own style.
That is not what I meant. I meant to say that Randolph could have asked one of his crew mates (Such as Pekoms), how to emit Electro. There are tons of minks in Tottoland. He could have asked them too. Since they are all allies, it wouldn't be crazy to think that maybe they might try to help him out.
What I contested that with was: Why would the Minks divulge their secrets? The Straw Hats saved their entire country, what did Randolph do for the Minks in Tottoland?
It says that even babies have the gift of self defence. I get that they are in a warrior society but that is too much. How can they try and train their babies that are still being breastfed for combat? That would be unreasonable of the minks. Randolph is around Pekoms. Pekoms is a strong mink who has some fairly significant level of authority in Big Mom's crew seeing as he was paired with Tamago.
It said children. I haven't done a re-read, but seeing a baby Mink using electro would be very useful.
Excuse my ignorance but I thought that the water bending was a skill of fishman karate. I thought that anyone can water bend if they know fishman karate. Apologies if this is not the case.
Yes, anyone can water bend, but! no one in the crew does it, or yet. On the other hand electric based attacks are present in the crew's arsenal.
Other crewmembers can look through a pair of binoculars, but Carrot can jump really high and can float up there. That makes her skill superior to the others.
Yes Sanji can use sky walk, but he can also use blue walk and shoot down to the fish with a den den mushi and get Chopper to talk to the fish that way. Just because the straw hats can still do these things without Jimbei doesn't make Jimbei useless.
That sounds overly complicated. When Jimbe can just approach it. Using your example, Sanji can just carry Ussop higher than Carrot can jump and Ussop can see further away. It also plays nice that he is observing from above, like God.
Can the same not be said for Carrot and Chopper? Carrot and Chopper's relationship isn't like Mihawk and Zoro or Rayleigh and Luffy. Why would Carrot teach Chopper electro? How to float? How to use ceylon?
At the start of the arc, Chobro was telling Carrot how he was the senior. After what he saw, it wouldn't surprise me if Chopper begged Carrot to become her student. Carrot would teach Chopper because…Chopper saved her entire country.
We didn't know that Jimbei had exceptional helming skills hundreds of chapters after his introduction. I'm not saying that Carrot is some sort of legendary lookout 100% confirmed or anything. I am just saying that there is a possibility that Oda could reveal her to have a talent for this skill later on.
A skill that Ussop can do without jumping so high to gain an advantage.
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They're crazy strong and wild enough to go toe to toe with another crew who are known for being savage as fuck? When it comes to fighting in a war of numbers who needs their senses in tact to fight?
Because the opposition are not liable to attack each other, while an out of control Mink could backfire and attack their own troops.
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Oh when you have Jack attacking his own people for incompetence I don't think you can truly say they're not liable to attack one another. Feral animals don't attack each other when they have a common goal in front of them. Wild lions don't attack wild lions when hunting prey.
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No, it doesn't. You are assuming that the Mink traditions are taught to anyone. Chopper could be taught because he, you know…saved them? What did Randolph do for Pekoms, or any other Mink for them to divulge their techniques?
You are assuming that minks are secretive about their abilities. Is there anything that suggests that? Pekoms is extremely loyal to the Big Mom pirates anyways and Randolph is his crew mate.
The mink children have all received battle training. In the same page they even elaborate that the musketeers have gone through "even more training".
Mangastream translation I believe. In the official translation it never mentioned anything at all about further training. What it did say however was that babies who are still suckling have the gift of self defence.He can get Robin to call him handsome.
I like you haha
.But not as fast as Jimbe.
Was that stated or shown anywhere? I think there is no doubt that Jimbei is faster, simply because Jimbei is Jimbei and Sanji is Sanji but was this actually stated or shown? And likewise. Sanji can "fly" by kicking the air, but he cannot effortlessly glide or float like Carrot can.
But can he talk to fish?
Fact 1: Chopper can talk to animals.
Fact 2: All fish are animals
Deduction: Chopper can talk to fish.Wouldn't that be awesome? Good thing fishman karate does not exclude anyone from learning it.
I wouldn't really want to see Chopper with fishman karate to be honest. It would take away from Jimbei in my opinion to have two people on the crew with such an ability.
A lifeline that Jimbe does not need.
I know. Thats why it is great that we are getting Jimbei. But how many of the straw hats can engage in aerial combat? Only two. It would be nice to have one more.
Anyone can pilot/drive anything, doesn't mean they are good at it. Considering the Straw Hats have needed the Coup de Burst so many times to escape different situations. Garp was firing at them and beginning to chase they had to use it. Big Mom's fleet is chasing them and Big Mom herself, they cannot catch up to Jimbe piloting the ship once he gains momentum. The only reason the Straw Hats are able to navigate the seas without needing one is because they have superhuman strength, even then, one of their ships got destroyed.
I know. An amazing helmsman like Jimbei will certainly help the straw hats. But the straw hats could get by without one.
The difference is that Jimbe is explicitly better at many of the things you mentioned while Carrot will not outdo Sanji in terms of jumping, the latter can perform mid air jumps. Nor will she better at detecting/scouting than Ussop given that he just acquired observation haki that is able to detect exact presences across a city. Chopper might not be able to become a Moon Lion, but he has 7 transformations each quirky and unique, not only badass.
Carrot is better than Sanji in aerial manoeuvrability. Sanji has to kick the air. Carrot can literally just glide. She can jump much better than him too, but I don't think that is what you meant. We don't know for a fact about this. I just find it odd that Oda is constantly showing Carrot in the lookout position.Introduced as a lookout watching the straw hats from the bushes
Jumped really high in order to get a look at Luffy fighting on the other side of Zou
Was seen swapping places with Pedro at the lookout position
Then after Pedro's sacrifice the multiple chapters she has been shown in the lookout position.I'm not saying she is amazing or anything. Just find it fairly interesting that Oda continues to put her in that spot. I never really cared all that much about Carrot until the recent chapter where I found her suddenly really interesting. Totally not because I suddenly became a furry. :ninja:
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Those attacks against each other are still rational though. Jack attacked them because they were being incompetent. Not because he felt like it. It would be different if Jack destroyed everything including his troops when he went mammoth. Yeah but this would be wild lions, turtle lions, zebras, monkeys and they would all be aiming for the same prey. Competition. Chaos. Filet Mignon.
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Luffy will be able to talk to all creatures including fish soon. He has the voice of all things :ninja:
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Those attacks against each other are still rational though. Jack attacked them because they were being incompetent. Not because he felt like it. It would be different if Jack destroyed everything including his troops when he went mammoth. Yeah but this would be wild lions, turtle lions, zebras, monkeys and they would all be aiming for the same prey. Competition. Chaos. Filet Mignon.
When you have their boss sending them to the moon with one swing of his mace just because they struck a nerve you can imagine this is a common theme that runs throughout the Beast pirates. Jack would kill his own if it served his goals and there was no other way around it. The minks despite their animal likeness difference are still the same race and that's what will distinguish them from their prey/enemies.
Also, rationality and Jack don't go hand in hand as of "it's your sin that the ninja man isn't here" and "I have a lust to destroy things just for hell of it"
Actually even before then when he decided to attack former fleet admiral and current admiral. They're all insane.
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Sounds almost as ridiculous as Nami learning weather manipulating tricks from old men who control weather like she does.
Not exactly the same as abilities that are implied to be tied to their race. But even then, a big distinction is that Nami got to chill there for two years off-screen.
That said, I don't get why are seemingly hoping for Chopper to develop abilities that they've already decried as not being unique enough.
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Not exactly the same as abilities that are implied to be tied to their race. But even then, a big distinction is that Nami got to chill there for two years off-screen.
That said, I don't get why are seemingly hoping for Chopper to develop abilities that they've already decried as not being unique enough.
Because Carrot naysayers are trying to detract from her chances of joining by giving her abilities over to Chopper that way her chances are brought to naught. (Along with any Mink, two animal people are overkill, we want badass ninja lady from Wano). :ninja:
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"Everyone has their own style."
I'm just gonna copy and paste your quotes. Hope it isn't too confusing.
"What I contested that with was: Why would the Minks divulge their secrets? The Straw Hats saved their entire country, what did Randolph do for the Minks in Tottoland?"
Why would the fishmen divluge their secrets? Hack teaches fishman karate to revolutionary army members. You have in a way just made up that minks are secretive about their abilities without there being any real evidence to support this.
It said children. I haven't done a re-read, but seeing a baby Mink using electro would be very useful.
Mangastream says children. The official translation says babes (babies). It also says they are suckling babes which means that they are still young enough to be breastfeed. It seems very unreasonable to be asking babies still being breastfeed to go through intensive training to learn electro. The same electro that a trained, murderous yonko subordinate is not able/hasn't learned to emit.
Yes, anyone can water bend, but! no one in the crew does it, or yet. On the other hand electric based attacks are present in the crew's arsenal.
I know. Thats where the boss comes into things. But about the electricity thing. Bullets and ammo as the main method of fighting where already a thing in the crew. However Franky still uses bullets as his main weapon. What did Franky have in his arsenal when he joined the crew that the straw hats didn't? I don't mean what other skills he could bring to the crew, I mean what in Franky's arsenal did he bring that the crew didn't already have? They had fire, bullets, brawling, the ability to release powerful winds.
"That sounds overly complicated. When Jimbe can just approach it. Using your example, Sanji can just carry Ussop higher than Carrot can jump and Ussop can see further away. It also plays nice that he is observing from above, like God."
Not that complicated. Sanji dives down with a den den mushi in a bubble. Thats it. But I agree that Jimbei obviously does this effortlessly. Instead of Sanji carrying Usopp to see. Carrot can jump once, float and get a nice look at everything.
"At the start of the arc, Chobro was telling Carrot how he was the senior. After what he saw, it wouldn't surprise me if Chopper begged Carrot to become her student. Carrot would teach Chopper because…Chopper saved her entire country."
Thats sort of odd don't you think? Having Chopper be taught by someone who isn't even close to the strongest or that knowledgeable on the minks abilities. Why not just have Inu or Neko teach Chopper? Why settle for Carrot? She be the best teacher and its not like Chopper didn't save Inu and Neko's home also.
"A skill that Ussop can do without jumping so high to gain an advantage."
Maybe.
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@Rival:
You are assuming that minks are secretive about their abilities. Is there anything that suggests that? Pekoms is extremely loyal to the Big Mom pirates anyways and Randolph is his crew mate.
Even though he is extremely loyal to her, he has not divulged the fact that the Minks have a Road Poneglyph. Pekoms' is a loyal person, but there hasn't been an indication that he told everything about the Minks to Big Mom.
Mangastream translation I believe. In the official translation it never mentioned anything at all about further training. What it did say however was that babies who are still suckling have the gift of self defence.
I own a copy of the digital print, but it's a drag to find chapters.
Was that stated or shown anywhere? I think there is no doubt that Jimbei is faster, simply because Jimbei is Jimbei and Sanji is Sanji but was this actually stated or shown? And likewise. Sanji can "fly" by kicking the air, but he cannot effortlessly glide or float like Carrot can.
Nope, but I trust my boy Jimbe to out swim punk Sanji any day. Yeah, but Sanji can change directions, go up again. Once Carrot starts gliding can she attain the high she originally jumped from?
Fact 1: Chopper can talk to animals.
Fact 2: All fish are animals
Deduction: Chopper can talk to fish.I am all for that, but is there a panel we have seen him do it?
I wouldn't really want to see Chopper with fishman karate to be honest. It would take away from Jimbei in my opinion to have two people on the crew with such an ability.
Me neither but I like that the ability is not restricted, so he can learn some principles that would make him able to fight logias for example.
I know. Thats why it is great that we are getting Jimbei. But how many of the straw hats can engage in aerial combat? Only two. It would be nice to have one more.
Why not someone that fights underground, we only have one? :)
Carrot is better than Sanji in aerial manoeuvrability. Sanji has to kick the air. Carrot can literally just glide. She can jump much better than him too, but I don't think that is what you meant. We don't know for a fact about this.
I just find it odd that Oda is constantly showing Carrot in the lookout position.
That's the only thing she can do: Sit down and look. I don't take it as: "OMG she is being a lookout" more like: "well good thing she can be the lookout, that way she is not just standing there doing nothing." I think that she would fit the brawler type of recruit better.
Introduced as a lookout watching the straw hats from the bushes
Jumped really high in order to get a look at Luffy fighting on the other side of Zou
Was seen swapping places with Pedro at the lookout position
Then after Pedro's sacrifice the multiple chapters she has been shown in the lookout position.Great so someone had to die so she actually could take the spot.
I'm not saying she is amazing or anything. Just find it fairly interesting that Oda continues to put her in that spot. I never really cared all that much about Carrot until the recent chapter where I found her suddenly really interesting. Totally not because I suddenly became a furry. :ninja:
I think that Carrot is okay, and she would be a great fleet captain. I only feel that because she does something cool, that does not mean that her chances go up.
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Not exactly the same as abilities that are implied to be tied to their race. But even then, a big distinction is that Nami got to chill there for two years off-screen.
That said, I don't get why are seemingly hoping for Chopper to develop abilities that they've already decried as not being unique enough.
I'm the last person that wants Chopper to get abilities similar to Nami. I'm only bringing up a possibility that the latest chapter might be alluding to.
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I'm the last person that wants Chopper to get abilities similar to Nami. I'm only bringing up a possibility that the latest chapter might be alluding to.
Like Luffy's Thor attacks. Sanji has fire. Luffy has fire. Franky might if you count his explosive abilities, Zoro might learn it, unless it's just cutting fire and not something like Fossa of the Whitebeard crew. Nami has electricity, Luffy does too, Carr…I mean Chopper might get it too. Might be rehashed and repetitive but it's not the strongest argument to go against someone.
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"Even though he is extremely loyal to her, he has not divulged the fact that the Minks have a Road Poneglyph. Pekoms' is a loyal person, but there hasn't been an indication that he told everything about the Minks to Big Mom."
How do we know that Pekoms knows the minks have a road pongliff? I thought that was secret.
"I own a copy of the digital print, but it's a drag to find chapters."
Do you want to double check that I'm telling the truth?
"Nope, but I trust my boy Jimbe to out swim punk Sanji any day. Yeah, but Sanji can change directions, go up again. Once Carrot starts gliding can she attain the high she originally jumped from?"
Agreed haha. But I don't think its fair to use that in an argument then if you can't prove it. Carrot can go up once again. She did that with Zoro. She also did that in the recent chapter where she almost hit the water then fly up to the ships.
"I am all for that, but is there a panel we have seen him do it?"
There is a panel of Chopper saying he can talk to animals which is just as convincing evidence.
"Me neither but I like that the ability is not restricted, so he can learn some principles that would make him able to fight logias for example."
Fishman karate can do that?
"Why not someone that fights underground, we only have one? :)"
We have yet to see Carrot's ultimate technique "rabbit hole".
"That's the only thing she can do: Sit down and look. I don't take it as: "OMG she is being a lookout" more like: "well good thing she can be the lookout, that way she is not just standing there doing nothing." I think that she would fit the brawler type of recruit better."
We will have to wait and see I guess. Just find it odd that Oda continues to draw her there. It was especially notable last chapter when literally everyone was down on the deck and she was up on her own.
"Great so someone had to die so she actually could take the spot."
Still don't really know if Pedro is dead. Everything points to him being dead, but there is still the possibility that he is dying and the full moon will recover him.
I think that Carrot is okay, and she would be a great fleet captain. I only feel that because she does something cool, that does not mean that her chances go up.
Carrot isn't a leader though. If we have guys like Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, I just can't see Carrot being in charge of them. All of the current fleet commanders were leaders in their own right. Pirate captains, leaders of the tonta corps or the best fighter (or whatever Ideo was. He is too uninteresting for me to care) I just remember he was the championing of some fighting thing, which I guess makes him the leader of that martial art. Carrot is way way down in the ranks of Zou, so her suddenly leading all these much stronger people than her really doesn't make much sense to me.
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@Rival:
I'm just gonna copy and paste your quotes. Hope it isn't too confusing.
What I do is: quote the entire thing then add where I want to separate, and then add
at the start of the next paragraph.
Why would the fishmen divluge their secrets? Hack teaches fishman karate to revolutionary army members. You have in a way just made up that minks are secretive about their abilities without there being any real evidence to support this.
The Minks are a race with many secrets, therefore it's okay they are not like the Tontatta that divulge everything they know on demand. I don't see the problem, Hack believes in a cause and is training people for his cause. Not to mention that Fishman Karate is a way to breach the discrimination between humans and fishmen. It fits the theme of being something to teach to people trying to bring upon a revolution.
Mangastream says children. The official translation says babes (babies). It also says they are suckling babes which means that they are still young enough to be breastfeed. It seems very unreasonable to be asking babies still being breastfeed to go through intensive training to learn electro. The same electro that a trained, murderous yonko subordinate is not able/hasn't learned to emit.
But you are making the assumption that Randolph should have asked about it, would want to be trained in it.
I know. Thats where the boss comes into things. But about the electricity thing. Bullets and ammo as the main method of fighting where already a thing in the crew. However Franky still uses bullets as his main weapon. What did Franky have in his arsenal when he joined the crew that the straw hats didn't? I don't mean what other skills he could bring to the crew, I mean what in Franky's arsenal did he bring that the crew didn't already have? They had fire, bullets, brawling, the ability to release powerful winds.
He transformed into a centaur. No one in the crew uses bullets, but him.
"That sounds overly complicated. When Jimbe can just approach it. Using your example, Sanji can just carry Ussop higher than Carrot can jump and Ussop can see further away. It also plays nice that he is observing from above, like God."
Not that complicated. Sanji dives down with a den den mushi in a bubble. Thats it. But I agree that Jimbei obviously does this effortlessly. Instead of Sanji carrying Usopp to see. Carrot can jump once, float and get a nice look at everything.
Alright, Sanji can kick Ussop once and send him flying really high. Also the most likely way it would go about.
Thats sort of odd don't you think? Having Chopper be taught by someone who isn't even close to the strongest or that knowledgeable on the minks abilities. Why not just have Inu or Neko teach Chopper? Why settle for Carrot? She be the best teacher and its not like Chopper didn't save Inu and Neko's home also.
But Carrot is a strong mink, among the stronger of the bunch as she is a musketeer. Also, it would tie in nicely with how Pedro taught her, someone that gasps couldn't use a sword, but is now teaching the Mink ways to someone else.
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Oh lmao, I just realized Rival's way of quoting people. It is indeed confusing.
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@Rival:
How do we know that Pekoms knows the minks have a road pongliff? I thought that was secret.
A secret to non-minks perhaps. Raizou was being fed by Minks as the attack on Zou was happening.
Do you want to double check that I'm telling the truth?
I never doubted you were not. The thing with translations is that many things have to be taken into account most importantly: whom translated it. So when it comes to "he said this, he said that" it is hard because even though I read the official translation, things can be missed. If you want to tell me what the old mink was saying it is chapter 808.
Agreed haha. But I don't think its fair to use that in an argument then if you can't prove it. Carrot can go up once again. She did that with Zoro. She also did that in the recent chapter where she almost hit the water then fly up to the ships.
Yes you can go up while gliding, but you can't really go higher than your starting point.
There is a panel of Chopper saying he can talk to animals which is just as convincing evidence.
Of course, it could also be a generalization. I do believe he could talk with fish, but wouldn't mind if he couldn't.
Fishman karate can do that?
Fishman Karate is about manipulating water, Jimbe was able to hit Luffy without haki during their fight in Fishman Island. I said logia, but that's because I don't see that far of a stretch that it could be useful against them.
We have yet to see Carrot's ultimate technique "rabbit hole".
Ah nice, you got me there.
We will have to wait and see I guess. Just find it odd that Oda continues to draw her there. It was especially notable last chapter when literally everyone was down on the deck and she was up on her own.
Did you notice how she was barely noticed when Chopper and Brooke were helping her out before they had to handle things around the ship?
Still don't really know if Pedro is dead. Everything points to him being dead, but there is still the possibility that he is dying and the full moon will recover him.
I don't think he is dead neither.
Carrot isn't a leader though. If we have guys like Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, I just can't see Carrot being in charge of them. All of the current fleet commanders were leaders in their own right. Pirate captains, leaders of the tonta corps or the best fighter (or whatever Ideo was. He is too uninteresting for me to care) I just remember he was the championing of some fighting thing, which I guess makes him the leader of that martial art.
Leo is a soldier among the Tonttatas yet he is a fleet captain not its king. Leo is more of a representative of the race, Carrot would be so as well.
Carrot is way way down in the ranks of Zou, so her suddenly leading all these much stronger people than her really doesn't make much sense to me.
Not really she is a musketeer and a bird. Which seem to be the highest form of authority among the Minks.
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Meh… Is there anywhere we can recommend to make it easier to quote multiple times?
"The Minks are a race with many secrets, therefore it's okay they are not like the Tontatta that divulge everything they know on demand. I don't see the problem, Hack believes in a cause and is training people for his cause. Not to mention that Fishman Karate is a way to breach the discrimination between humans and fishmen. It fits the theme of being something to teach to people trying to bring upon a revolution."
The minks don't have to be like the Tontatta. But it isn't mad to think that maybe Pekoms or some civilian minks would tell a comrade how to use electro. Adding electricity to Randolph's attacks would definetly increase his strength. Its not like Randolph is some random hooligan off the streets. They are on the same crew. Pekoms always wants the best for his crew. He even sold out (effectively sentencing to death) the people who saved his life simply because they opposed Big Mom.
"But you are making the assumption that Randolph should have asked about it, would want to be trained in it."
That was in response to Chopper wanting to be trained by Carrot. You are assuming that Chopper would want to be trained in it. Chopper has seen countless things that have amazed him without wanting to learn how to do them himself or getting his own. This is like what Count Mario was talking about. Chopper loved Franky Shogun. He didn't ask for Franky to make him Chopper Shogun did he?
"He transformed into a centaur. No one in the crew uses bullets, but him.
He pushed his torso behind his legs. Not like he could turn into a real centaur. It didn't even look like a centaur. Franky's contortions don't count as something new to the straw hat arsenal. Also, isn't that similar to when Luffy wraps himself around a marine soldier and manipulates them? They both just fit into their brawling skills.
And Usopp had fired lead before with "lead star". Basically the same thing. If these things you brought up class as something new to the straw hat arsenal then so does Carrot's biting and clawing. That doesn't sound like it right does it?
""That sounds overly complicated. When Jimbe can just approach it. Using your example, Sanji can just carry Ussop higher than Carrot can jump and Ussop can see further away. It also plays nice that he is observing from above, like God."
"Alright, Sanji can kick Ussop once and send him flying really high. Also the most likely way it would go about."
Good luck getting Usopp to agree to that hahaha. Do you or do you not agree that it would be easier to just have Carrot jump and look herself? Just like it would be easier for Jimbei to just swim down there?
"But Carrot is a strong mink, among the stronger of the bunch as she is a musketeer. Also, it would tie in nicely with how Pedro taught her, someone that gasps couldn't use a sword, but is now teaching the Mink ways to someone else."
Carrot is strong, but she is not a leader.
Nekomamushi
Inuarashi
Pedro (RIP, but maybe not RIP)
Scicillian
Wanda
The rest of the Inuarashi musketeers
The rest of the guardiansAll these characters have authority over Carrot. Yet somehow Carrot is going to lead all of these people? With every fleet captain so far, they are all obviously the leaders. Carrot isn't even close to the top. In power or authority.
And sorry Blissed!
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I just realized how big the Carrot fanbase actually grew into. :blink:
It really is a good oppurtunity for Chopper to learn from the Minks. If he doesn't, I'm fine with that too, just wanna see what power-up Chopper will get.
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A secret to non-minks perhaps. Raizou was being fed by Minks as the attack on Zou was happening. Pekoms wasn't there so he wouldn't have known about this.
I never doubted you were not. The thing with translations is that many things have to be taken into account most importantly: whom translated it. So when it comes to "he said this, he said that" it is hard because even though I read the official translation, things can be missed. If you want to tell me what the old mink was saying it is chapter 808. "All minks are natural born fighters". "Even our suckling babes have the gift of self-defence".
Yes you can go up while gliding, but you can't really go higher than your starting point.
Carrot agaisnt Zoro started running on the ground. Jumped, then flew over the sword. She can float, not just glide.Fishman Karate is about manipulating water, Jimbe was able to hit Luffy without haki during their fight in Fishman Island. I said logia, but that's because I don't see that far of a stretch that it could be useful against them. Oh ok. I don't really care about Chopper all that much post timeskip though.
Did you notice how she was barely noticed when Chopper and Brooke were helping her out before they had to handle things around the ship? Wait what?
Leo is a soldier among the Tonttatas yet he is a fleet captain not its king. Leo is more of a representative of the race, Carrot would be so as well. No, Leo is the leader. He isn't just some random soldier. He was the leader and had the highest authoirty out of all of the tonttatas. Carrot would be like the Wicka.
Not really she is a musketeer and a bird. Which seem to be the highest form of authority among the Minks I just listed all the people superior to her. There are all of the Inuarashi musketeers, the guardians, Inu and Neko and Wanda (From portrayal) above her. It makes no sense for these guys to be led by someone so below them in authority.
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Meh… Is there anywhere we can recommend to make it easier to quote multiple times?
Not that I know of, besides the one I just told you.
The minks don't have to be like the Tontatta. But it isn't mad to think that maybe Pekoms or some civilian minks would tell a comrade how to use electro. Adding electricity to Randolph's attacks would definetly increase his strength. Its not like Randolph is some random hooligan off the streets. They are on the same crew. Pekoms always wants the best for his crew. He even sold out (effectively sentencing to death) the people who saved his life simply because they opposed Big Mom.
I am not saying it is impossible, but not something that has to have happened if Electro is something that can be taught.
That was in response to Chopper wanting to be trained by Carrot. You are assuming that Chopper would want to be trained in it.
But I am basing that on the joke on how the roles between them would reverse with Chopper thinking Carrot needed his guidance at the start of the arc.
Chopper has seen countless things that have amazed him without wanting to learn how to do them himself or getting his own. This is like what Count Mario was talking about. Chopper loved Franky Shogun. He didn't ask for Franky to make him Chopper Shogun did he?
No need, he is already Commander Chopper.
He pushed his torso behind his legs. Not like he could turn into a real centaur. It didn't even look like a centaur. Franky's contortions don't count as something new to the straw hat arsenal. Also, isn't that similar to when Luffy wraps himself around a marine soldier and manipulates them? They both just fit into their brawling skills.
Not sure what you are talking about, it looked like centaur to me. And they count because, Franky thinks it gives him the edge in battle.
And Usopp had fired lead before with "lead star". Basically the same thing. If these things you brought up class as something new to the straw hat arsenal then so does Carrot's biting and clawing. That doesn't sound like it right does it?
I think that is stretching it.
Good luck getting Usopp to agree to that hahaha.
He doesn't need to agree.
Do you or do you not agree that it would be easier to just have Carrot jump and look herself? Just like it would be easier for Jimbei to just swim down there?
I think that the jumping is unnecessary for the position.
Nekomamushi
Inuarashi
Pedro (RIP, but maybe not RIP)
Scicillian
Wanda
The rest of the Inuarashi musketeers
The rest of the guardiansAll these characters have authority over Carrot. Yet somehow Carrot is going to lead all of these people? With every fleet captain so far, they are all obviously the leaders. Carrot isn't even close to the top. In power or authority.
That is incorrect though Carrot is a Musketeer so she has the same rank as other musketeers and the guardians. Pedro and Scicillian may be the captains of their respective squads. However, Carrot is like Wanda, a bird that serve both kings directly. I think that gives her more authority than the elite troops.
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@Rival:
Pekoms wasn't there so he wouldn't have known about this.
But Pekoms is a citizen of Zou, so he would know about their secrets.
"All minks are natural born fighters". "Even our suckling babes have the gift of self-defence".
Yes, but what about after, do they talk about the musketeers?
**> Wait what?After their first Coup de Burst, Chopper, Brooke and Carrot all go up the crow's nest to be on the lookout. In this panel, Carrot is behind Chopper and Brooke and you can barely notice her.
**> No, Leo is the leader. He isn't just some random soldier. He was the leader and had the highest authoirty out of all of the tonttatas. Carrot would be like the Wicka.Not at all, Leo is part of the Tonttata corps, not even part of the royalty like Garcho or Mansherry.
I just listed all the people superior to her. There are all of the Inuarashi musketeers, the guardians, Inu and Neko and Wanda (From portrayal) above her. It makes no sense for these guys to be led by someone so below them in authority.
And I already said that is not accurate. As she is part of the musketeers and she is a bird like Wanda.****
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Any of the crew can steer the ship. Jinbei can do it better that's all. His knowledge of sea currents is pretty useful. But they've been getting by just fine until now so what's unique here?
If nothing else, I would imagine Raftel is going to have a horrific gauntlet of choppy seas to navigate, so him and Nami tag-teaming both the reading-which-direction to go and steering the ship effectively, is likely essential for that final island to be reached. Plus as a huge fishman he can jump overboard dragging a chain and tow the ship like Mohmoo was doing to Caribou's ship. Or ask a school of fish to help do it while he stays topside. All of those are things the others either can't do, or can't do for very long (he can stay underwater the entire time, while whereas Sanji can probably muster the strength, couldn't maintain the momentum as long or without having to come up for air constantly.)
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I would just love anyone here getting on a plane and someone telling them, don't worry the stewardess is going to pilot today, she is a bit better than the mechanic.
Like piloting a ship is not as complex.
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Usopp isnt really portrayed as a lookout because oda always has gags with him reacting set up after others spot what's going on we usually see something than get usopp's reaction.
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Like Luffy's Thor attacks. Sanji has fire. Luffy has fire. Franky might if you count his explosive abilities, Zoro might learn it, unless it's just cutting fire and not something like Fossa of the Whitebeard crew. Nami has electricity, Luffy does too, Carr…I mean Chopper might get it too. Might be rehashed and repetitive but it's not the strongest argument to go against someone.
That's pretty much what I mean.
And the difference is that Carrot can ONLY do what other crewmates already do.
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@Count:
That's pretty much what I mean.
And the difference is that Carrot can ONLY do what other crewmates already do.
Well, in her defense she is a melee fighter, lol. But I do agree.
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Think that was due to friction of the blade against Ryuuma's dry zombie skin.
Or some such.
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@Count:
That's pretty much what I mean.
And the difference is that Carrot can ONLY do what other crewmates already do.
How can you say that in the very chapter she claims she will be useful. Heartless.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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How can you say that in the very chapter she claims she will be useful. Heartless.
Because Sanji would have done the version of what she just did if he were thete lol.
You know who I bet isn't heartless right now?
! Pedro
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I would just love anyone here getting on a plane and someone telling them, don't worry the stewardess is going to pilot today, she is a bit better than the mechanic.
Like piloting a ship is not as complex.
If the stewardess has proved to be an amazing pilot who is able to instinctively pilot incredibly hard planes that people usually take a decade just to start getting the hang of, I wouldn't mind (btw, I'm talking about chapter 240).
