I think rather than genius maybe you guys are looking for prodigy, or savant? Or quick study? Or that they have some kind of instinct rather than intelligence that contributes to their talent? Synonyms that might actually work better since they don't necessarily reflect intellectual capacity.
Chapter 888: Lion
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Fighting natural just doesnt have the same ring as genius/savant/prodigy
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I think rather than genius maybe you guys are looking for prodigy, or savant? Or quick study? Or that they have some kind of instinct rather than intelligence that contributes to their talent? Synonyms that might actually work better since they don't necessarily reflect intellectual capacity.
It's too late now.
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I think rather than genius maybe you guys are looking for prodigy, or savant? Or quick study?
It's all the same shit bro. lol.
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I just don't know of any other way for him to keep up with his position in the Monster Trio
I think you missed what I was saying. It's no that he needs to get stronger but rather Oda needs to show us how strong he really is. He might already be far stronger than we think.
I mean, if he starts doing all this kind of thing later on, we're going to be screaming, "And where the hell was THAT when you were getting your bones cracked by Vergo and getting spanked by Doflamingo?!" unless there's some rationale behind him not using them or not being able to access them or use them to their fullest without a catalyst.
Probably the same reason Luffy didn't use G4 on Doffy when he first got his ass kicked. He was holding back/saving it for when he really needed it.
Sorry to keep ranting about it but I respect Sanji too much to want to keep watching him fall behind and look weak. He may have been able to put a dent in his siblings but unless he's dominating them, to truly prove himself as top dog, their entire appearance and interaction is meaningless. If he can't put one of them down without a struggle, it doesn't mean much to call him superior to them.
I don't expect Sanji to do anything less than utterly dominate them tbh.
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How could Luffy possibly beat Lucci when Blueno made a fool of him? How could Sanji possibly beat Jyabura when his kick didn't even fully break through Blueno's tekkai?
He only uses kicks in this fictional world where some people don't even arm themselves with swords, guns or devil fruit powers! Seriously Battlefranky and Shobu just stop.
Blame Oda for not giving Sanji any big and conclusive fights since the time skip. It is a shame that lately the only people seemingly guaranteed to get a 1vs1 fight within a given arc are Luffy and Zoro.
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How could Luffy possibly beat Lucci when Blueno made a fool of him? How could Sanji possibly beat Jyabura when his kick didn't even fully break through Blueno's tekkai?
He only uses kicks in this fictional world where some people don't even arm themselves with swords, guns or devil fruit powers! Seriously Battlefranky and Shobu just stop.
Blame Oda for not giving Sanji any big and conclusive fights since the time skip. It is a shame that lately the only people seemingly guaranteed to get a 1vs1 fight within a given arc are Luffy and Zoro.
When did Blueno make a fool of him? Luffy walloped him (had to pull out G2 to do it but that's kind of standard now for Luffy-level opponents). And the very fact that Sanji had to use a technique that bypassed the defensive power of Tekkai, while Zoro and Luffy both broke straight through their opponents' Tekkai with brute force, shows that Sanji lagged behind them pre-time skip. What we've seen so far suggests that hasn't changed; even his 'epic' comeback fight during Fishman Island wasn't his alone, so it's hard to tell who contributed to it more, him or Jimbei (or is Oda trying to say both of them are behind Luffy and Zoro? So confusing.) So I'll stop when this arc is over and Oda has (according to y'all) disappointed me.
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When did Blueno make a fool of him? Luffy walloped him (had to pull out G2 to do it but that's kind of standard now for Luffy-level opponents). And the very fact that Sanji had to use a technique that bypassed the defensive power of Tekkai, while Zoro and Luffy both broke straight through their opponents' Tekkai with brute force, shows that Sanji lagged behind them pre-time skip. What we've seen so far suggests that hasn't changed; even his 'epic' comeback fight during Fishman Island wasn't his alone, so it's hard to tell who contributed to it more, him or Jimbei (or is Oda trying to say both of them are behind Luffy and Zoro? So confusing.) So I'll stop when this arc is over and Oda has (according to y'all) disappointed me.
Romance is probably takking about Luffy's first encounter with Blueno at Water 7 and Sanji's first encounter with Blueno on the Sea Train.
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I am quite impressed with Genie offensive power.
Sanji was doing very well against him even when he was not looking- at time when Germa was held at gunpoint. Guy feels like buff up Vergo with sharp weapon.
I wonder if he can fly on his Genie or if we will see his Genie using mast like a paddle to move Daifukus ship around.
Do you people think that Sanji vs Daifuku will happen ?
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I feel like no proper fights are going to happen aside from Luffy's concluding. Latest chapters went out of their way to be rid of Daifuku, which keeps up the trend of just avoiding the Veterans, beginning with Oven. It could still happen, but I'm doubtful.
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I am quite impressed with Genie offensive power.
Sanji was doing very well against him even when he was not looking- at time when Germa was held at gunpoint. Guy feels like buff up Vergo with sharp weapon.
I wonder if he can fly on his Genie or if we will see his Genie using mast like a paddle to move Daifukus ship around.
Do you people think that Sanji vs Daifuku will happen ?
You posted in the wrong thread, pal.
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I feel like no proper fights are going to happen aside from Luffy's concluding. Latest chapters went out of their way to be rid of Daifuku, which keeps up the trend of just avoiding the Veterans, beginning with Oven. It could still happen, but I'm doubtful.
And I guess you too.
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You posted in the wrong thread, pal.
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And I guess you too.
Yea I noticed his post belonged more in the latest chapter thread. Though mine is technically fine, this chapter did initiate being rid of Daifuku :P
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When did Blueno make a fool of him?
Did you completely miss when the strawhats first met CP9 in the Galley-La Mansion?
He's making a point that small skirmishes often aren't enough information to determine someone's strength.
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Did you completely miss when the strawhats first met CP9 in the Galley-La Mansion?
He's making a point that small skirmishes often aren't enough information to determine someone's strength.
Their emotional state and the confusion about the whole affair are factors in that, if their hearts aren't in it or they're distracted then they can't fight at their fullest, or have an opportunity to figure out how to tangle with an opponent with a particular set of skills (and Luffy needed G2 to beat Blueno anyway, so of course their first encounter wouldn't be a victory regardless). There's nothing comparable to that in the New World examples of Sanji's progress, that are the important part here. And we're not talking about Luffy anyway, we're talking about Sanji who never had the strength needed to bust up Tekkai and had to find a way around it, no different than how Nami's lightning bypassed Kalifa's defense because she lacked the necessary force. I'd be ecstatic for Sanji to start getting back on his horse and not look like such an underdog by comparison but after this much time, it's getting grating and is long overdue so how can I doubt he'll ever improve if Oda doesn't throw him a bone already?
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Their emotional state and the confusion about the whole affair are factors in that, if their hearts aren't in it or they're distracted then they can't fight at their fullest, or have an opportunity to figure out how to tangle with an opponent with a particular set of skills (and Luffy needed G2 to beat Blueno anyway, so of course their first encounter wouldn't be a victory regardless). There's nothing comparable to that in the New World examples of Sanji's progress, that are the important part here. And we're not talking about Luffy anyway, we're talking about Sanji who never had the strength needed to bust up Tekkai and had to find a way around it, no different than how Nami's lightning bypassed Kalifa's defense because she lacked the necessary force. I'd be ecstatic for Sanji to start getting back on his horse and not look like such an underdog by comparison but after this much time, it's getting grating and is long overdue so how can I doubt he'll ever improve if Oda doesn't throw him a bone already?
Your perception is off. There was no confusion on the sea train. Sanji knew what was up and did what he could to rescue Robin. In that moment Blueno still held strong because the narrative didn't call for a dramatic defeat yet of any of those guys. What we did get was this moment of hope when we saw a glimpse of Blueno not being a god. Later the next day Sanji fights a guy who has a stupid doruki/power level thats much higher than Blueno's and not to mention that guy uses Tekkai/Iron Body while moving, something even Lucci wasn't capable of. Jyabra's fighting style is called Takkai Kempo! He fights while keeping up his metal defense at all times and Sanji sent him flying and made him bleed left and right. Jyabra internalized something to the effect that he couldn't believe Sanji's kicks were causing so much damage, before the bs(but cool) power up of Diable Jambe. So no dude your perception of what happened then is absolutely wrong.
Still I understand your frustration. This whole year we've been seeing Sanji shine in ways that only he can but because its not a full fight/conquering of some big name 1on1 it's not fully satisfying. To that I say just give it time.
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I don't think coherent is the adjective you were looking for. I respectfully disagree because I expect more out of Sanji and this seems like his last opportunity to actually make himself remain a deserving part of the Monster Trio (soon to be Quartet with Jimbei) or lose his spot on that pedestal.
One Piece doesn't ends at Wano, a chance may come up somewhere after it xD
He only uses kicks in this fictional world where some people don't even arm themselves with swords, guns or devil fruit powers! Seriously Battlefranky and Shobu just stop.
Blame Oda for not giving Sanji any big and conclusive fights since the time skip. It is a shame that lately the only people seemingly guaranteed to get a 1vs1 fight within a given arc are Luffy and Zoro.
He went to Kamabakka Kingdom, where the martial style of okamas is taught… and i remember Benthan figthing with his arms too!
I just keep a high hope for the man... i would love if Sanji developed an alter-ego there, and where limitants like hitting women or using hands to fight are no more.I remember the last time for Sanji to shine... closing the gates of Ennies Lobby xDDD 500 chapters ago. Even i feel pity towards him, and is the crewmember that i dislike the most, and yet it gets my pity... so you understand, can't blame Oda either xD
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One Piece doesn't ends at Wano, a chance may come up somewhere after it xD
He went to Kamabakka Kingdom, where the martial style of okamas is taught… and i remember Benthan figthing with his arms too!
I just keep a high hope for the man... i would love if Sanji developed an alter-ego there, and where limitants like hitting women or using hands to fight are no more.I remember the last time for Sanji to shine... closing the gates of Ennies Lobby xDDD 500 chapters ago. Even i feel pity towards him, and is the crewmember that i dislike the most, and yet it gets my pity... so you understand, can't blame Oda either xD
Those men and/or women used their hands to fight for sure but that doesn't necessarily mean Sanji adopted their particular attacks or needed to adopt them in the same exact way. One move Sanji learned in particular that he couldn't hope to replicate in the exact same way is Ivonkov's Death Wink Specter move. I don't know what its called but the word specter is in there somewhere for both characters and instead of using Pokemon's Double Team and winking the opponent to death as Ivanov did, Sanji's specter seen at Fishman Island gave the illusion that Sanji's legs used Double Team.
And just to be clear Double Team in Pokemon allows the user to create phony copies oh itself to raise evasion. I think Oda uses the word specter for Ivanov and Sanji because their attacks create an almost ghostly illusion of multiple bodies or limbs.
I bring that up to point out that Sanji has already gained moves from his opponents but are adopted in his very specific style. Sanji not being able to use his hands has never been a handicap or some sort of short coming in battle. Questioning if Sanji can keep up only using his legs is to question how the seemingly fruitless Garp was good enough to be an admiral when we know he fights with no weapons. Garp the Fist, how could he ever hope to keep up with guys like Aokiji and Kizaru? That line of thinking is just silly in this kind of story.
Zoro learned from a guy who uses a single, big apple, sword and I can guarantee you at no point does Mihawk place it in his mouth. Zoro didn't change his sword style learning under Mihawk, why should Sanji? Cause trust me if we want to go the real life route, using a sword like Mihawks is nothing like using a katana, let alone 3 at the same time, lol.
Sanji only using his legs is very visually appealing and when he battles different martial art styles the visual distinction is only enhanced. Sanji doesn't need to throw punches because his feet and legs have so much utility already. I can recall at least once where Zoro kicked someone, maybe twice. If you've ever learned certain styles of sword play you'd know that kicking is important at times. Though no one faults Zoro for not using his kicks when he's locked swords with an opponent nor should they. I'm surprised people don't get on him about not being able to use kicks like Kaku and be a 5 sword style user.
If Sanji were to start using his hands in a fight beyond anything but shooting guns or using them for balance during acrobatics it would completely fly in the face the other strongly held ideals he learned from Zeff. Don't hit women, feed the starving, don't use hands to fight. That is just who the guy is.
And yes blame Oda. It's been quite some time since the time skip and everyone is still waiting on Robin, Nami, Chopper, Brook, Usopp and Sanji to get a major fighting showcase. We've got some really cool moments, some pretty satisfying but Brook VS Zeo was not in the same ball park of say Chopper VS Kumadori. I loved when Robin completely immobilized Hakuba, loved when Nami fire egg'd Monet then thundered Buffalo and Baby5 out the sky, and love the quick Sanji VS Vergo(despite the vocal opinion of it). But the weight and focus their battles have gotten has been nothing compared to Zoro VS Ryuma, Zoro VS Monet or Zoro VS Pica.
I don't mind the crew alternating who gets bigger fights in a given arc but when we get 35 big named enemies in Dressrosa but Robin doesn't get to solo any of them herself and just left as background support for another fighter it leaves a bitter taste. I definitely blame Oda.
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I feel like saying sanji hasnt had a moment to shine in 500 chapters to be hyperbolivc, unless by ,moment to shine you mean save everyones ass
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Their emotional state and the confusion about the whole affair are factors in that, if their hearts aren't in it or they're distracted then they can't fight at their fullest,
No shit dude. But thats all besides the point. The point is that Oda sometimes has characters lose small scuffles without showing us their true strength. Therefore, the tiny skirmishes that Sanji has been in since the timeskip are completely irrelevant.
It's one of the reasons we know Sanji is stronger than Judge despite losing their first fight.
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Your perception is off. There was no confusion on the sea train. Sanji knew what was up and did what he could to rescue Robin. In that moment Blueno still held strong because the narrative didn't call for a dramatic defeat yet of any of those guys. What we did get was this moment of hope when we saw a glimpse of Blueno not being a god. Later the next day Sanji fights a guy who has a stupid doruki/power level thats much higher than Blueno's and not to mention that guy uses Tekkai/Iron Body while moving, something even Lucci wasn't capable of. Jyabra's fighting style is called Takkai Kempo! He fights while keeping up his metal defense at all times and Sanji sent him flying and made him bleed left and right. Jyabra internalized something to the effect that he couldn't believe Sanji's kicks were causing so much damage, before the bs(but cool) power up of Diable Jambe. So no dude your perception of what happened then is absolutely wrong.
Still I understand your frustration. This whole year we've been seeing Sanji shine in ways that only he can but because its not a full fight/conquering of some big name 1on1 it's not fully satisfying. To that I say just give it time.
No, you're misapplying the piece I was referring to as it pertained to specific characters, as Sanji never was involved in the moments of confusion or internal conflict because he wasn't with the main group when they learned that the Galley-La people were undercover agents working for the bad guys; Luffy and Zoro were in that group and got caught with their pants down. Sanji didn't have that problem (or at least not to that degree) and while I didn't state it explicitly, he wasn't who I was referring to in regards to having a distraction weaken his fighting ability, that was merely in response to the 'Blueno humiliated Luffy' thing. Sanji rattled Blueno but didn't break his Tekkai, even Luffy needed to up his game for that feat. I don't remember Sanji making Jyabura bleed except when he kicked him in the face to rescue Usopp when Jyabura's guard was down and he wasn't using Tekkai, or when he caught Jyabura trying to BS him about Robin being his sister and again, catching him with his pants down. Being able to move him with the force of his kicks also has nothing to do with breaking through Tekkai, that's like saying you can't hit a baseball without the baseball exploding from the impact. I don't have access to the chapter(s) in question but from what little I've been able to find on youtube, it didn't seem like Sanji was having any success damaging Jyabura directly, only via catching him off his guard until using Diable Jambe, so I'm not convinced my perception was incorrect.
I'd give it time but it's already long overdue. We're 4 arcs into the New World, this is ridiculous. If it's going to make us wait this long then the payoff has to be massive and I don't see another way to make it that grand except something like what I've proposed.
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Are you saying you want to be juiced in between Smoothie's thighs??:blink::ninja:
I mean I'm not saying that wouldn't be one hell of a way to go