Logias don't actually control the element.
1 word Enel, he made a shit load of lighting all over the place
Logias don't actually control the element.
1 word Enel, he made a shit load of lighting all over the place
1 word Enel, he made a shit load of lighting all over the place
As far as i remember did he use selfmade thunderclouds as an amplifier for his own powers.
not originally like when he hit Conis' dad and tried to hit her in town, and the snake
not originally like when he hit Conis' dad and tried to hit her in town, and the snake
God's Judgement? He fired huge lightning bolts, so what?
Besides, in this panel ("sables") it looks as if crocodile would bring forth the sandstorm from his own body:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter178.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3482
I believe it's as stated in wikipedia:
"Logia users can tap unlimited amounts of their respective elements from their own bodies, and the "extracted" element be manipulated however the user wishes. Logia users cannot control already physically existing forms of their element, but they may manipulate their surroundings into generating it - examples are Aokiji freezing an ocean, and Enel turning a cloud into a thunder cloud."
Franky is PRime SUspect #1 to join the crew. Along with Usopp likely as wlerl as Robin definatly rejoining.
I can already see Robin "sorry guys, I just didn't ant you to be in danger. I was sure thr Buster Call would have caught us all if used"
well she was wrong because wih one ship down and another taken over by the Strawhats alone, even after fighting the Elites of the World Government, the probably most powerful assassins in the world, only Lucci is left to fight Luffy.
Franky fits the description and I am pretty sure it's him that'll be joining.
Usopp will likely be able to come back, after all they've been through since he left. He knew the Merry was gone all along but couldn't let go. then he admitted it to Franky as it was being distroyed/dismantled at Water 7.
Next up he is definatly gaining strength, otherwise he'd have never been able to fight the Mr 4 pair in Arabasta. sure him and Chopper got beat up but even Zoro was bleeding afterwards. plus he was the only one to take on a Pair with only chopper's help really. I know, it was pair vs pair but he still did good.
Look at Opening 6. Usopp's Kabuto might be his next equipment upgrade.
and I can only imagine him working on Franky. imagine all of the Dials and Gizmos and he might finally get his back turned Cyborg too.
I'm still going with Robin vs. Jesus Burgess.
Grappler vs. Grappler….makes sense
I agree…..but can Robin really take on Jesus Burgess? because strength wise, Robin might lose out......
Im still rooting for Franky vs Burgess, both are big brawlers and im sure Burgess has some hidden skills.
Im really exited about the Bleackbeard crew, they really resembles the SH and im sure this will be one of the most exiting battles in all of One Piece(exept Zoro vs Mihawk)
I'm thinking of a two on one with Sanji,and Robin vs Laffite,cause it's possible Sanji might get his ass kicked,then Robin will have a hard fight with Laffite,and end up finishing him off right when he's about to do a strong attack..If he has one.>>
well i think ace will participate in the fight with the blackbeard crew and so will buggy,how do i know it:
1)ace is in buggy's ship travelling with him
2)that way everyone will get a fight,ace + the strawhats = 9 and blackbeard crew + buggy crew = 9
3)ace will accomplice his mission,buggy and cabajhi will get their rematches
and the fights will go like this:
ACE VS BLACKBEARD
USOPP VS VAN AUGER
SANJI VS LAFFITE
FRANKY VS THE CHAMP
CHOPPER VS DR DEATH
LUFFY VS BUGGY
ZORO VS CABAJHI
ROBIN VS ALVIDA
NAMI VS MOJHI
this way luffy will stop being in the spotlight that has never happened before and it is time since his fights after smoker are rather boring after the 4 or 5 first chapters,also zoro will have a not dramatic battle for once.their fights could occur after nami's and robin's and usopp could have the battle before ace vs BB since usopp vs van auger from a long distance would rock and usopp deserves more attention,or ace then sanji then usopp
some of the ideas in this thread are cool,in the future i would also want to see zoro not fighting for once,maybe luffy too,just like sanji in skypiah and usopp should have the spotlight in a future (in a mini arc of course and usopp will have the opponent with the highest bounty)
oda isn't fair to him,he had the smallest flashback and didn't defeat a cp9 although nami did and should have been like wiper,a strong man of honor that bravery challenges opponents far stronger than him without hessitating,he not only has to become the best sniper but the bravest man in the sea
and i am a zoro fan,not an usopp fan so don't shoot me with anti-usopp quotes
Usopp is probably my favorite character, I even rewatched his fights because I have the feeling he'll do something awesome this arc.
But anyways, thats a good theory, but I like the Ace getting defeated by Blackbeard theory better.
Luffy and crew is in some town, and they hear a comotion, a building sets on fire, and they head toward it, and they see Aces hat burning. Blackbeard is holding onto Ace by his head, trying to crush his skull, only to be stopped by a Gomu Gomu no Pistol to the face.
"DONT YOU DARE HURT MY BROTHER!!!"
he throws ace to the floor, and he goes to Ace "Look Ace…. I still have your paper...I still on meeting you at the top, dont die here!"
With Luffy was Franky, Chopper and Usopp. Back on the boat is Robin, Nami, Zoro is sleeping, and Sanji is cooking for them.
Usopp has revealed his Kabutos powers by now, and staring down Blackbeard, when a giant shot knocks him to the ground. Its Van Auger.
Franky runs to help Luffy, but a giant gets in his way. Burgess throws the first punch.
Chopper goes human, but he reverts to brain form out of nowhere, unknowingly cursed by Dr Death.
On the ship, Lafitte has snuck on board (Invisible Invisible fruit maybe? He has good stealth powers apparently.) throwing Sanji onto the deck. Zoro is still sleeping, and its Nami and Robin vs Lafitte.
Thats my theory...sorry if it was too long heh.
also zoro will have a not dramatic battle for once
True.Beating Cabaji wouldn't take zoro longer than: draw-strike-sheathe ;-)
True.Beating Cabaji wouldn't take zoro longer than: draw-strike-sheathe ;-)
lol,actually i pictured it one minute longer
maybe he has got stronger too, but i doubt no where near zora, so lets jus say 2 mins!
Everyone seems to think Chopper will be fighting Doctor Death. Am I the only one who thinks it's obvious that the Doc carries a huge ass Gattsu-esque sword on his back? I think it'll be really cool seeing someone who looks as meek and sickly as the Doc wielding a huge ass sword like a master swordsman. It should make for an excellent Zoro fight, reinforcing the notion that being a swordsman isn't all about power. It's about finesse as well.
@Tom:
Everyone seems to think Chopper will be fighting Doctor Death. Am I the only one who thinks it's obvious that the Doc carries a huge ass Gattsu-esque sword on his back? I think it'll be really cool seeing someone who looks as meek and sickly as the Doc wielding a huge ass sword like a master swordsman. It should make for an excellent Zoro fight, reinforcing the notion that being a swordsman isn't all about power. It's about finesse as well.
He had a sword? I thought he was just a doctor with a few tricks and explosives.
nothing is shown about him other than the fact that he carried explosive apples and was called a Doctor and was realy lazy
and the carries something that has the length of a sword on his back…..
and the carries something that has the length of a sword on his back…..
the shape doesn't suggest any common type of crossbar though.
(smaller guards as of katanas excluded)
since when does a sword need a crossblade to be a sword
Not at all.I just thought a blade that large would have one.The crossbar of the black sword is huge^^
edit:But if it's a sword, we've now limited the choice to certain types of swords, hooray^^!
look at Gut's Dragon Slayer
not all sword have the crossblade…..... you will never know....since the size of that thing Doc is carrying and the way it's wrapped around....... huge possibility it is some kind of sword/blade/katana....or maybe more than 1....
I think Doc Q is holding a scythe
cause his title is "Grim Reaper"
i think Zoro will face him
a special blade folded scythe perhaps?…..because if it is a scythe, then where is the blade of the scythe?
I bet he's got a warm blanket for his rheumatism stuffed in there.
…but a hinged scythe would be nice too^^
a special blade folded scythe perhaps?…..because if it is a scythe, then where is the blade of the scythe?
it doesn't have to be in one piece,it could be like nami's weapon,that can explain why it is wrapped,cuz it holds a scythe in pieces
I bet he's got a warm blanket for his rheumatism stuffed in there.
…but a hinged scythe would be nice too^^
lol,
a warm blanket that could be used as a weapon! ;)
It really seems like Chopper should fight Doc Q, after all they're both doctors. Plus, did that guy remind anyone of Hiruluk?
It may have been mentioned before, be I think that an outside force will fill in the positions that don't get fights, if they do. Buggy's crew is good, or maybe some of whitebeard's.
Lafitte could fight either Sanji or Zoro, after all, that stick might have a blade in it. Burgess could fight either Sanji or Franky.
Now Blackbeard…with him, Ace should somehow be involved. Anyone considered the possibility that Ace will attack Blackbeard during this arc? He may not even get a chance to fight.
Oh yeah, Van Auger vs. Usopp, definitely.
It would be nice for Luffy to seat by the sidelines once in a while…...
then again....he had no choice, since Blackbeard is Ace's opponent, and Luffy isn't going to steal his brother's opponent...or something like that....
But anyways, thats a good theory, but I like the Ace getting defeated by Blackbeard theory better.
I agree. I don't think Ace has a chance. Blackbeard's got the same dream-in-his-eye thing that Luff has. And when you bring up that Ace always beat Luffy when they fought, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between a sparing match and an honest to god life or death struggle for the future of your dream.
Ace vs. Blackbeard will remind me of Luffy vs. Usopp.
Ace will obviously be outmatched, but his anger for Blackbeard's crimes will fuel his rage. He'll give Blackbeard a good beating (Like Usopp gave Luffy), but in the end will succumb to the fact that he's simply not up to par with him.
The problem I see is that I think Blackbeard was a member of Whitebeard's First Corps, and Ace is the 2nd Corps Commander. Ace is pretty badass in his own right, but the First Corps Commander would most likely trounce him. Blackbeard would be the same.
Plus, we haven't really seen Blackbeard fight, other than owning that dude with his face.
Because they were introduced together, I wonder if Sarquiss and Doflamingo will be part of the fight. With Bellamy dead, I'm assuming that Sarquiss is the leader of the New Age Pirates now.
Blackbeard was Ace's sub-ordinate. This means Ace was Blackbeard's superior. Interesting theories about Ace losing to Blackbeard, but I'd prefer not to see that. Ace has been established as one of the most powerful characters in OP so far (from my personal point of view), and I'd expect alot from the commander of Whitebeard's 2nd fleet.
Yeah, I also remember Ace being Blackbeard's superior.
But I think I'll go with the Ace beaten theory. Remember that Ace said Blackbeard's killed his own crew, he needs to be pretty evil and strong to do that to those supposed to be his equals.
Even so, I guess Ace wasn't sent if he could lose to Blackbeard so easily. However, Blackbeard is evil, I won't be too suprised to see all the crew attack Ace together. That will warm up Luffy even more. [And that way, there still won't be the answer to who's stronger between the brothers, if Ace will really get a treatment and get out okay, and the SH will take part fighting.]
I rather go with Luffy being sidelined for this battle…....... it would be more original.....rather than...."Oh, Ace got owned, I need to avenge my brother." thingy.....
@Rai:
Yeah, I also remember Ace being Blackbeard's superior.
But I think I'll go with the Ace beaten theory. Remember that Ace said Blackbeard's killed his own crew, he needs to be pretty evil and strong to do that to those supposed to be his equals.
Even so, I guess Ace wasn't sent if he could lose to Blackbeard so easily. However, Blackbeard is evil, I won't be too suprised to see all the crew attack Ace together. That will warm up Luffy even more. [And that way, there still won't be the answer to who's stronger between the brothers, if Ace will really get a treatment and get out okay, and the SH will take part fighting.]
The only evidence we have that Blackbeard is evil is what was said by Ace. We don't know how much we can trust Ace, or how much Ace should trust the information he was getting, OR what really happened.
Everything we've seen of blackbeard in person doesn't seem evil. We've met plenty of evil people by now, and he just doesn't look it. I think Blackbeard's story is a lot more complicated than we've been lead to believe.
Oh please Ace is anything but evil from what we've seen, he saved marines, he helped a marine and his daughter, and he's nice to Luffys crew even though they stand in Whitebeards way (not currently) of becoming Pirate King.
Black Beard raped Choppers village..
I don't see where this Blackbeard good Ace evil jajajaja stuff is coming from..
I'd like to see Ace vs Blackbeard, Ace has the upper hand, but before the battle advances too far, Blackbeard smiles "You're strong.. too strong logia man.. but I'm stronger" and all of the sudden the sound of a bullet (KAIROSEKIIIII) is heard/one of his cremembers hits him (because he doesn't expect it, the attack doesn't go through him), Ace falls and is about to die as BB tells him "My strength comes from my crew, and unlike you they're actually loyal to me deep heavy laugh, Ace looks pissed and BB knocks him out (but as we know no one dies, he'll manage despite the beating and possibly Kairoseki bullet).
So Luffy either finds Ace beaten up, or he hears the event happened and goes after Blackbeard + co Either way, its crew vs crew rather than individuals vs individuals, because Ace tried to go after him as an individual (as weve seen both in Alabasta and in the mini story) and the SH kick their asses despite their crappy tricks.
I didn't say I was CERTAIN Ace was evil. I don't even think Ace is evil. I just think the whole story may be more comlicated.
I didn't say I was CERTAIN Ace was evil. I don't even think Ace is evil. I just think the whole story may be more comlicated.
Whatever Ace's attitude may be, Blackbeard IS evil anyhow.
What's complicated with that^^?
Whatever Ace's attitude may be, Blackbeard IS evil anyhow.
What's complicated with that^^?
If all we had was the hearsay evidence, I'd agree.
But we met him. And unlike virtually every evil person so far in OP, he didn't SEEM evil.
I say Blackbeard is nuetral until proven otherwise. Yeah, he is said to have killed his crewmates but who knows the real circumstances of that incident. For all we know, Whitebeard could have set crewmates up to betray Blackbeard (I know it seems farfetched). As usual, I may be wrong tho.
If all we had was the hearsay evidence, I'd agree.
But we met him. And unlike virtually every evil person so far in OP, he didn't SEEM evil.
Truely, these issues will be resolved when they all meet. Maybe the arc will revolve around conflict, with Luffy trying to decide who's right between his brother and Blackbeard?
If all we had was the hearsay evidence, I'd agree.
But we met him. And unlike virtually every evil person so far in OP, he didn't SEEM evil.
It has already been said that BB attacked Drum island.
See for yourself:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter133.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2652
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter154.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3030
Dalton:"Everyone still remembers how cruel those pirates were."
That's invalid hearsay evidence to you?
That's fine. However, I still say he doesn't seem evil to me. As for attacking Drum, he could have his own reasons for doing that.
If all we had was the hearsay evidence, I'd agree.
But we met him. And unlike virtually every evil person so far in OP, he didn't SEEM evil.
Right because murderers kill every person they see, especially guys that share their lifes dreams, "hey random guy on the street come here a second kill"
And regarding Drum
Fine he's the galiant knight, why kill Whitebards Crew?
That's 2 reasons against good with 1 going either for or against evil, I say 2.5 out of 3 is better than .5 of him being good.
Again, we don't know exactly what happened on Whitebeard's ship, if it even was his ship. He killed whitebeard's crewmembers, fine, I'll believe that. I'm NOT so certain that he didn't kill them because of something they were planning.
We know ace, but we don't know whitebeard. See what I mean?
You don't kill someone when they're planning something against your superiors, you snitch on them so that you'll get a higher position..
Whatever we'll see what happens, it's pointless to argue now
You don't kill someone when they're planning something against your superiors, you snitch on them so that you'll get a higher position..
Whatever we'll see what happens, it's pointless to argue now
I didn't think they were planning AGAINST whitbeard. I think they were planning FOR whitebeard.
Whatever Blackbeard is, I don't trust whitebeard