Trunks:
-Achieved god-ish ki without receiving any training.
-Learned to execute Mafuba perfectly in like 2 minutes after watching a video.
-Created a new variant of Genki Dama without even knowing what the original technique is or how it is done.
Dragonball Discussion
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I hope we get Super Genki Sword one day and it's just Blasting Zone
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I think vegito will lose but goku somehow will find a way to be stronger than the two of them together and beat the enemy singlehandedly
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No shit Vegito wasn't going to ice God of Hyperdeath Black Zamasu. Goku/Vegeta fusions never actually finish off opponents, just clown them.
And it would've been narratively hollow for anyone other than Trunks to finish him
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Recently got caught up in Super.
Honestly, I'm loving the hell out of it. The movie rehash arcs were kinda eh, but the U6 Tournament arc was fun with the creative ways to have the characters win their fights and what have you… then the Black/Zamasu arc started and holy crap, Dragonball got freaking epic again. Loving the hell out of this show now. Zamasu is possibly one of the best villains in DB History IMO.
Ok, wow... No... no, ignoring the grammar and inflammatory stuff.... No. You may not like it, but the groundwork for all of this was laid.
Your big point here is that "Vegetto couldn't beat him, but Trunks could? That means Trunks is more powerful than Vegetto?!" but... no, that's not what happened. Were you watching the show? Plenty was done to set up how Trunks was able to stand against Fused Zamasu by the other characters if you just bothered to pay attention to the dialog.
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It was stated by Gowasu that while Zamasu is, in fact, Immortal, Black is not and the fusion of the two is therefore lopsided and unstable. Black's mortality is making Zamasu vulnerable.
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This is shown in effect with Vegetto beating Zamasu almost literally to a pulp. Damage is very obviously occurring because half of his body is devolving into a purple goo as Vegetto is beating the tar out of him. Plus, one of the big blows Vegetto got on him broke that halo thing he had floating behind him and if you'll notice, it didn't come back after.
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Therefore obviously, by the point that Trunks takes him on, he's clearly weakened physically and has become unhinged mentally, he's not exactly thinking in the most tactical intelligent way during that fight.
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EVEN THEN however, Trunks isn't able to do it on his own. He did that Genki Dama sword thing where he basically made a Genki Sword to slice Zamasu with. If you'll notice however, Goku and Vegeta both contribute energy to the Genki Sword. We have no idea exactly how much energy they have left. The fight definitely wore them down to some degree, but as I stated above, they were able to clearly wear down Zamasu too, so you can easily say that the power they contribute is roughly equivalent to adding all the power of Vegetto into the sword.
In that way, it's obvious when you do the math why Trunks is "Stronger" than Vegetto in that moment
Goku + Vegeta = Vegetto
Goku + Vegeta + All Life on Earth + The Kaioshins + Trunks = The power in the Genki Sword
When you look at it this way, it makes logical sense that Trunks was able to beat him with that thing.
Personally, I like that it resulted in someone OTHER than freaking Goku beating the bad guy.... tho, that brings up another very good point. We know the next episode is gonna be the resolution from the NEP but... is Zamasu completely dead? Will they have to deal with any remaining part of him?
Also, on one of your points:
What "Rule" was that exactly? The Potara being permanent? You mean the same rule that Toriyama himself broke like 2 chapters after he introduced it in the original manga? What was the explanation there?
The official explanation given by Goku in the Manga and later reiterated in the Daizenshuu was that the "Bad Air" inside of Boo is what split them up. That's it, that's all we got.
If it's just "Bad Air" then why didn't Gotenks defuse? When Boo absorbed Gotenks he got the whole package of Gotenks inside him which is why his clothes looked like Gotenks' right after. We are even told explicitly they remained fused until the normal Time Limit on fusion expired, which is why Boo's clothes suddenly changed to Piccolo's.
So why did the "Bad Air" unfuse Vegetto and not Gotenks?
Gonna be honest, not sure how involved in the overall Dragonball Fanbase you are, but the original "Bad Air" explanation has always been at best, debated and questioned, called "Bad Writing", or at worst, mocked and joked about.This retcon honestly takes something that was very ill-defined and flimsy and gives it a more concrete answer. YMMV on whether you like the more concrete answer or not, but the fact stands that this is a thing that was already pretty poorly handled in the first place, so it's not like they're taking some ironclad fact and completely tearing it up.
I'm in the camp who thinks the original explanation was sloppy, and am kinda glad for the retcon as a result.
I stopped reading after those words: "Honestly, I'm loving the hell out of it" but i couldn't stop laughing after this "holy crap, Dragonball got freaking epic again".
Epic? Epic is what Goku did to save the planet from Buu after all those sacrifices and fights. This is only Dragon ball for "rat-kids" who don't know anything about Dragon Ball and wants to play videogames online. They know nothing about the pace and the build up (Dragon Ball was great doing that). I have been following this series since 1987 and this is not Dragon Ball. It's a Dragon Ball "adapted" to those kids we have (more lights, less blood, more stupidity, less quality and jokes like SpongeBOB), but it's not like Dragon Ball Z in terms of epicness. I'm sorry but it's not. -
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remember that time Krillin won a fight because he realized that Toriyama draws him without a nose
what a classic epic moment for classic action drama fighting manga dragon ball
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remember that time Krillin won a fight because he realized that Toriyama draws him without a nose
what a classic epic moment for classic action drama fighting manga dragon ball
That's the thing I like about Super more than anything. It's not afraid to be silly at times like Early Dragonball, and it's not afraid to be serious like late Dragonball. It jumps back and forth, which I like. It has variety as a result
I stopped reading after those words: "Honestly, I'm loving the hell out of it" but i couldn't stop laughing after this "holy crap, Dragonball got freaking epic again".
Epic? Epic is what Goku did to save the planet from Buu after all those sacrifices and fights. This is only Dragon ball for "rat-kids" who don't know anything about Dragon Ball and wants to play videogames online. They know nothing about the pace and the build up (Dragon Ball was great doing that). I have been following this series since 1987 and this is not Dragon Ball. It's a Dragon Ball "adapted" to those kids we have (more lights, less blood, more stupidity, less quality and jokes like SpongeBOB), but it's not like Dragon Ball Z in terms of epicness. I'm sorry but it's not.Translation: "I can't actually refute anything you actually said, so I'm going to pretend your opinion on the quality of the show invalidates all of the actual facts you presented, because I don't know what I'm talking about."
You can not like the show as much as you want, that's fine, it's an opinion, and you can think that everything I said doesn't make the show any better in your eyes, and that's still an opinion, but the fact that the power scaling and inaccuracies had explanations in the show is still true.
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The most silly thing is the poorly written villain. Dragon Ball works better with villains like Freezer or Cell, that simply want to rule the universe or prove they are the strongest.
Frieza wanting to be immortal comes off as looking pretty dull in retrospect, whereas Cell wanting to achieve his perfect form and then becoming nihilist was a pretty bizarre idea.
Epic? Epic is what Goku did to save the planet from Buu after all those sacrifices and fights. This is only Dragon ball for "rat-kids" who don't know anything about Dragon Ball
The irony of this complaint is a good portion of the people complaining about Super essentially whine like little children while complaining about Super's dodgy writing, janky animation, & misuse of characters…...things that both the original manga and anime had issues with.
and wants to play videogames online. They know nothing about the pace and the build up (Dragon Ball was great doing that).
…..Which wasn't exactly good itself whereas the pace of the anime particuarly of Z led to things being dragged out the manga portion of Z tended to blow through things a little too fast.
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I wonder if the folks who are really invested in this power level crap are the same people who begrudgingly watch dbz abridged, leaving offended comments in the comment section about how the show isn't accurate and insincerely mocks the original
"duh GUYS, Piccolo becoming sorta equal to 2nd form freeza after fusing with some random mock who got his ass handed to 1st form freeza isn't stupid at all, come on. Just read the third sentence in this obscure 1998 interview with toriyama about how it totally adds up."
Truly that's important, not any of the other problems this arc had. Trunks somehow pulling this off is the main problem, not Zamasu being a lame villain for example. I mean for fucks sake there's plenty of legitimate problems with this show, but that's what you're focusing on, really?
The fact that we had some pretty good animation, music and pacing is a miracle as far as I'm concerned, considering how DBS was straight up garbage when it first aired with those two awful movie recap arcs, following with the at best mediocre tournament. -
Frieza wanting to be immortal comes off as looking pretty dull in retrospect, whereas Cell wanting to achieve his perfect form and then becoming nihilist was a pretty bizarre idea.
I dont know about that. Becoming immortal is what tyrants all over the ages have desired the most. Freezer didnt wanted power because he thought himself invincible, he just wanted to rule forever. And Cell only wanted to prove himself in battle, his arrogance and the mix of saiyan and Freezer DNA made him unstable when he lost his combat against Gohan.
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It was cool that Zamasu made up a justification for Black Goku giving him mortality, and Vegito is just dumbfounded.
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the best part about Zamasu is how he's just kind of an asshole to everyone
no fancy excuses just a right piece of shite
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@Cyan:
It was cool that Zamasu made up a justification for Black Goku giving him mortality, and Vegito is just dumbfounded.
That was his second best scene, only surpassed by Zamasu ranting about mortals and the gang ignoring him, then brushing it off when Black mentioned it.
For a second DBS became self-aware.
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I dont know about that. Becoming immortal is what tyrants all over the ages have desired the most.
Which is also why it's such a cliche goal.
Freezer didnt wanted power because he thought himself invincible, he just wanted to rule forever. And Cell only wanted to prove himself in battle,
I was under the pretense all Cell wanted to do was absorb 17 & 18 and achieve perfection.
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Which is also why it's such a cliche goal.
I was under the pretense all Cell wanted to do was absorb 17 & 18 and achieve perfection.
Thats my point, cliche and simple villains work better on a simpleminded series like Dragon Ball, trying to add "depth" to their motivations paired with the terrible writing its bound to fail.
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I wonder if the folks who are really invested in this power level crap are the same people who begrudgingly watch dbz abridged, leaving offended comments in the comment section about how the show isn't accurate and insincerely mocks the original
"duh GUYS, Piccolo becoming sorta equal to 2nd form freeza after fusing with some random mock who got his ass handed to 1st form freeza isn't stupid at all, come on. Just read the third sentence in this obscure 1998 interview with toriyama about how it totally adds up."
Truly that's important, not any of the other problems this arc had. Trunks somehow pulling this off is the main problem, not Zamasu being a lame villain for example. I mean for fucks sake there's plenty of legitimate problems with this show, but that's what you're focusing on, really?
The fact that we had some pretty good animation, music and pacing is a miracle as far as I'm concerned, considering how DBS was straight up garbage when it first aired with those two awful movie recap arcs, following with the at best mediocre tournament.I think you should post more in this place or in a South Park forum. 99% of your posts are "shit" "crap" "lazy" "stupid" and "fucks". You should first focus on your rage before posting (or this is some kind of therapy?).
ps: yes, i don't like DBS and yes, ¡let's argue together singing "we are the world we are the children creating a spirit bomb!".
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Thats my point, cliche and simple villains work better on a simpleminded series like Dragon Ball, trying to add "depth" to their motivations paired with the terrible writing its bound to fail.
And yet even when you go simple with motivations you get someone like Brolly trying to kill Goku because the latter wouldn't stop crying or Buu who due to not having anyone to keep him in check mindlessly goes around destroying and killing for no reason.
In other words it cuts both ways.
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I think you should post more in this place or in a South Park forum. 99% of your posts are "shit" "crap" "lazy" "stupid" and "fucks". You should first focus on your rage before posting (or this is some kind of therapy?).
This 99% you are talking about (hyperbole much) is me cutting loose a little for the first time in years. It's just that we banished you people a long time ago to the darkest corners of the internet, we don't need a resurgence, it's been contaminating the One Piece threads enough as it is. Also that's sorta funny coming from the baby who demanded DBS to end and didn't even bother to read Demon Rins post because a sentence offended him, lol
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And yet even when you go simple with motivations you get someone like Brolly trying to kill Goku because the latter wouldn't stop crying or Buu who due to not having anyone to keep him in check mindlessly goes around destroying and killing for no reason.
In other words it cuts both ways.
Hey, I like Broly. He is Hulk with blonde hair, what is not to like from that?
Sure, he is not the best converser unless you enjoy hearing "KAKAROTTOOO, I'LL KILL YOU!!!!" over and over again, but he is the most brutal fighter on the series.
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Sure, he is not the best converser unless you enjoy hearing "KAKAROTTOOO, I'LL KILL YOU!!!!" over and over again,
Eh not as bad as Android 13's being programmed to kill Goku's ass. Or talking shit about his hair.
but he is the most brutal fighter on the series.
Well yeah if you ignore the fact he's not a canon character. And Frieza, Cell, & Buu are still considerably more brutal than he was.
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And yet even when you go simple with motivations you get someone like Brolly trying to kill Goku because the latter wouldn't stop crying
Well, that's not so much a simple motivation as it is a stupid motivation.
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Freezer needed to become immortal to accomplish his goal of showing daddy that HE was the best son not that poopy-head Cooler.
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Well, that's not so much a simple motivation as it is a stupid motivation.
Well simple can mean stupid in a given context.
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This 99% you are talking about (hyperbole much) is me cutting loose a little for the first time in years. It's just that we banished you people a long time ago to the darkest corners of the internet, we don't need a resurgence, it's been contaminating the One Piece threads enough as it is. Also that's sorta funny coming from the baby who demanded DBS to end and didn't even bother to read Demon Rins post because a sentence offended him, lol
For the first time in years? Yeah of course…of course... (maybe you should check the different threads you post and see what's your "tone") So you are an expert of the darkest corners of the internet? Like you're the new Voldemort of the internet?
I don't see the relationship between demanding the ending of DBS and reading overstuffed posts with calculations like "Vegito+Krilin= Blue Buda". No one is going to give you a Fields Medal if you do that (i think my post is becoming more and more Sheep now. I'm intoxicated!) and there's no logic behind it because it's an anime with a simple story (just look the posts in DBS episode 66 in Youtube or other forums and 90% is really angry about that episode.).My point was that using the word "EPIC" is not correct because the pace and build up is no good and the villain has 0 charisma. Someone can tell me why after 66 episodes and no one is killed (like Krilin dying or another important character)? Maybe they will do a crossover with the Teletubbies for the next arc...
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Which is also why it's such a cliche goal.
Zamasu is pretty cliche, too, to be honest.
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Zamasu is pretty cliche, too, to be honest.
By anime standards I guess.
My point was that using the word "EPIC" is not correct because the pace and build up is no good and the villain has 0 charisma.
The problem itself is that you're using an incredibly played out word as a substitute for good. Seriously Epic is so damned overused.
Someone can tell me why after 66 episodes and no one is killed (like Krilin dying or another important character)?
Why is Krillin dying supposed to be a good thing? because he died in DragonBall, Z, & GT too? Not to mention the fact that his death would simply be undone by the Namekian DragonBalls or Whis's rewind ability…..which was used to undo his death along with everyone else's on earth during Revival Of F.
or another important character
Besides Future Bulma, And the Goku from Trunk's timeline.
Maybe they will do a crossover with the Teletubbies for the next arc…
Maybe your attempt at edgy humor will be…..better too, if I'm not mistaken you made the same joke a few months earlier.
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Because if it's one thing that raises tension in Dragon Ball, it's people dying.
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everyone knows how permanent death is in Dragon Ball
once you're in HFIL there's no getting out
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That's strange, I thought people would be satisfied about someone other than Goku defeating the main villain this time, I sure was. Trunks' huge power boost didn't upset me because like the people like Demon Rin and others explained, it makes sense how Trunks was able to turn Zamasu into perfect symmetry, that and when I watch hype moments in anime, I'm always caught up in the emotions of the characters.
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Anyone else get Dragon Quest vibes from that finisher? Cuz I did. And I dug it.
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BingBang I feel like you're the type of person that got into Dragonball through funimations dub of Z, started there, and everything after that is watched with a big pair of nostalgia goggles on.
Quit being a dick because some people actually enjoy Super. Or you could actually address Rin's post to you other than acting like a 12 year old and summing it up to "aw you like that? then i don't care because it's dumb".
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With that level of animation and OST Trunks vs Zamasu had, u could make even a Nami fight look like Saitama vs Meruem.
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Someone can tell me why after 66 episodes and no one is killed (like Krilin dying or another important character)?
Aside from the fact that these characters were shown to be alive in the final chapter of Dragon Ball (and Super takes place before that chapter), death doesn't have much meaning at this point. I haven't watched Super yet, by my understanding, they randomly kill off Piccolo in the Resurrection F adaptation and he's back in the very next arc with no problem.
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BingBang I feel like you're the type of person that got into Dragonball through funimations dub of Z, started there, and everything after that is watched with a big pair of nostalgia goggles on.
Quit being a dick because some people actually enjoy Super. Or you could actually address Rin's post to you other than acting like a 12 year old and summing it up to "aw you like that? then i don't care because it's dumb".
Nah i started in 1987 with real music (not the american "i'm John Mcclane" version) so i know more about Dragon Ball and nostalgia than you ;) "Some" people enjoy, yeah "some". The same ones that loves "Adventure Time" and Chicken Robot (what a generation!). Yeah it looks like this Dragon Ball is for 12 years old but not the 12 years old from the 80's and 90's (less dumb, more mature and with better storytelling).
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this show turned into fairy tail
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unless the next arc has a really cool concept i'm probably going to stop watching this show regularly
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I don't see the relationship between demanding the ending of DBS and reading overstuffed posts with calculations like "Vegito+Krilin= Blue Buda".
Your complaints about power scaling were addressed in the episode and had an in-universe explanation. If you still think that doesn't fix anything, fine, but the post I was replying to was you complaining about why Trunks was able to beat Zamasu. I was explaining why that is. Also, why the "Potara" time limit retcon isn't exactly touching sacred stuff.
I'm intoxicated!
THAT I believe.
just look the posts in DBS episode 66 in Youtube or other forums and 90% is really angry about that episode.
Yes, because Youtube comments are truly the highest bastion of criticism and quality control.
My point was that using the word "EPIC" is not correct because the pace and build up is no good and the villain has 0 charisma.
Someone can tell me why after 66 episodes and no one is killed (like Krilin dying or another important character)?
First: Future Bulma.
Second, Are you really REALLY looking for the stakes to be raised in a Post Boo Era DRAGONBALL series by having a named character die?! REALLY?! Sorry, but Death hasn't been a serious issue in Dragon Ball since like, the Saiyan arc. When, for like 5 minutes it was like "Hey, Piccolo is dead, so we don't have Dragon Balls".
As soon as the notion of "Hey, we have multiple other sets of Dragon Balls we can go to if something happens to one of them" became a thing, the stakes are now always global extinction. IE, EVERY named character dies so NOBODY can wish anybody else back to life. We now have 3 Different sets of Dragon Balls right now. The main timeline's Earth, Namek, and Super DBs.
One person dying won't raise the stakes really. Hell, we've already experienced the earth exploding. Twice.
Despite this, seriously, This arc started with Future Bulma dying. Have you even been watching the show you're bitching about?Maybe they will do a crossover with the Teletubbies for the next arc…
Really?…....
Ok, look. Here's the deal. This is a discussion forum where you are supposed to converse and discuss things with OTHER people. Not liking the show is fine, you're allowed to have your opinion, but why are you even here if you just want everyone to agree with you? Every time someone here says something good bout this show, you belittle and attack our opinions, then act like the fact that our opinions are different than yours somehow invalidates anything else we're saying.
Here's the deal. You have two choices. Either A: Accept that opinions may differ from yours and at bare minimum RESPECT those opinions so we can discuss this series like Adults, or B: If you can't handle different opinions, Stop posting here about it and go somewhere that is an echo chamber that already agrees with you on everything. I mean hey, you've already identified YouTube comments as such a place.
My bad tho, I forgot, too many words confuses you. Gee, I wish there was some perfectly succinct way to express what I am trying to say here..... hmmm....
Quit being a dick because some people actually enjoy Super. Or you could actually address Rin's post to you other than acting like a 12 year old and summing it up to "aw you like that? then i don't care because it's dumb".
There we go. That'll do nicely.
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My bad tho, I forgot, too many words confuses you. Gee, I wish there was some perfectly succinct way to express what I am trying to say here….. hmmm....
Quit being a dick because some people actually enjoy Super. Or you could actually address Rin's post to you other than acting like a 12 year old and summing it up to "aw you like that? then i don't care because it's dumb".
There we go. That'll do nicely.
Look I think he is taking it too far as well, but honestly with that statement you are letting him drag you down to his level and doing to him what he is doing to you (dropping the facts and resorting to insults). Truthfully he is probably trying to troll more than anything. Don't like it, but it is what it is.
On a related note. I personally like super. Yes they are retconning, ass-pulling, and in general making the story what they want it, but that is their prerogative. I am enjoying the laid back over tone. I enjoyed future trunks getting the win. I enjoyed the Genki Dama made out of pure will. None of that ruins the story and the fun for me, but if it does for you I am sorry to hear that you do not enjoy it. I suggest ending your watching of super in that case; because I do not think it will change. You can quite easily stick with Z's established cannon, or if you enjoyed it you can decide that GT is your main timeline. Find what you enjoy and stick with it ( so long as what you enjoy doesn't make someone else unhappy) that is one of the most important truth's to life.
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@BingBang, stop acting like the nutshack.
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For the first time in years? Yeah of course…of course... (maybe you should check the different threads you post and see what's your "tone") So you are an expert of the darkest corners of the internet? Like you're the new Voldemort of the internet?
I don't see the relationship between demanding the ending of DBS and reading overstuffed posts with calculations like "Vegito+Krilin= Blue Buda". No one is going to give you a Fields Medal if you do that (i think my post is becoming more and more Sheep now. I'm intoxicated!) and there's no logic behind it because it's an anime with a simple story (just look the posts in DBS episode 66 in Youtube or other forums and 90% is really angry about that episode.).
My point was that using the word "EPIC" is not correct because the pace and build up is no good and the villain has 0 charisma. Someone can tell me why after 66 episodes and no one is killed (like Krilin dying or another important character)? Maybe they will do a crossover with the Teletubbies for the next arc…I saw vids of popular YT reviewers like Chibi, FNW, and they liked the episode despite the bs with Trunks.
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Your complaints about power scaling were addressed in the episode and had an in-universe explanation. If you still think that doesn't fix anything, fine, but the post I was replying to was you complaining about why Trunks was able to beat Zamasu. I was explaining why that is. Also, why the "Potara" time limit retcon isn't exactly touching sacred stuff.
THAT I believe.
Yes, because Youtube comments are truly the highest bastion of criticism and quality control.
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62773841.jpg
First: Future Bulma.
Second, Are you really REALLY looking for the stakes to be raised in a Post Boo Era DRAGONBALL series by having a named character die?! REALLY?! Sorry, but Death hasn't been a serious issue in Dragon Ball since like, the Saiyan arc. When, for like 5 minutes it was like "Hey, Piccolo is dead, so we don't have Dragon Balls".
As soon as the notion of "Hey, we have multiple other sets of Dragon Balls we can go to if something happens to one of them" became a thing, the stakes are now always global extinction. IE, EVERY named character dies so NOBODY can wish anybody else back to life. We now have 3 Different sets of Dragon Balls right now. The main timeline's Earth, Namek, and Super DBs.
One person dying won't raise the stakes really. Hell, we've already experienced the earth exploding. Twice.
Despite this, seriously, This arc started with Future Bulma dying. Have you even been watching the show you're bitching about?Really?…....
Ok, look. Here's the deal. This is a discussion forum where you are supposed to converse and discuss things with OTHER people. Not liking the show is fine, you're allowed to have your opinion, but why are you even here if you just want everyone to agree with you? Every time someone here says something good bout this show, you belittle and attack our opinions, then act like the fact that our opinions are different than yours somehow invalidates anything else we're saying.
Here's the deal. You have two choices. Either A: Accept that opinions may differ from yours and at bare minimum RESPECT those opinions so we can discuss this series like Adults, or B: If you can't handle different opinions, Stop posting here about it and go somewhere that is an echo chamber that already agrees with you on everything. I mean hey, you've already identified YouTube comments as such a place.
My bad tho, I forgot, too many words confuses you. Gee, I wish there was some perfectly succinct way to express what I am trying to say here..... hmmm....
There we go. That'll do nicely.
I think your avatar defines the "level" of your arguments and the perspective i was talking about… What's next? Someone with a Wall-E avatar? Oh Wait! Too late! =O (the kind of generation i was talking about. Let's toast for Spongebob!)
Maybe i'm an old school player yeah, but i prefer that than watching how they destroy something beloved by brainwashing new generations with stupidity and dumbness saying that this series is "good" when it's not. (and it started first with the really poor quality of animation, even if DBZ got bad animation, we expected more because it was the return of Dragon Ball)
The Potara thing was something "sacred" at that time. What's the point of creating rules? What's next? Fusions that last 2 hours and a half only to hide the narrative flaws they are creating in DBS? I think you are not very "demanding" as a fan or follower of this series....
Future Bulma was even a main character with any build up? (it's only a copy of a present character, none cares about it because it's not the "real" Bulma and it's not even an "unnexpected" death. I was referring to a "central" or "pivotal" character that affects the storyline not "copys" from other future timelines or dimensions)
"Accept that opinions may differ from yours and at bare minimum RESPECT those opinions" Says someone who uses "memes" and equations (men it's an anime series not an exam) to justify arguments and you argue to me that i talk about "powerlevels". It's not a powerlevel thing, it's a storytelling logic: (now i'm using your equations and reduce my level to yours so you can understand) Vegeta GOD + Goku GOD= Trunks semisomething God+Broken Sword (good game by the way)+ the Humanity left Ki= Super-we-are-the-world-we-are-the-screaming-children-slash.
Also since when Vegito is less powerful that Zamasu? Vegeta owned finally Black and Goku was "owning" Zamasu fused with his Kaioken attack. I'm sorry but there's no logic. That stuff was poorly written and they did that only to open the way so the future Trunks can have his "hero" moment (without Enrique Iglesias music), but there's no logic."Stop posting here about it and go somewhere that is an echo chamber that already agrees with you on everything" Nah i'm staying here, i don't like "flower-power" dictatures surrounded by "care-bear" jokes. That's why i'm here, to put a "realistic" and maybe "nostalgic and more mature" point of view. Welcome to the 80's, that's how it was a long time ago…in a galaxy far away.
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OK I have to rant about Future Trunks as well
now we have one episode to go and we got fucking nothing… Instead new super powers.
And again at the faggots comparing it to Gohan going 2 or Goku going 3. No, it's nothing like it. Why?
Because no one fucking cared or asked what happened to Trunks. They were just like oh cool he is stronger now. Not even his fucking das haven't asked how his son was able to get blue aura while in Super Saiyan mode and becoming as stronger if not stronger as him while being just SS2 as well.
That'st he fucking difference. For 2 and 3 we got tons of characters being amazed or in shock what Gohan and Goku did and mentioned how they went further.
Now we got jachshit and we have to wait DB Heroes to get a name for it
And why the fuck he never turned into this super asspull Trunks after his mother was killed and instead went to the past? Yeah because shitty story telling.
And if people bitch... It would be the same if in Cell saga Future Trunks suddenly would go Super Saiyan 2 and beat Cell
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The PIS in Trunks vs Zamasu was as much as Doflamingo vs Luffy, Jotaro vs Dio, but people were fights with those latter fights due to bias.
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I think your avatar defines the "level" of your arguments and the perspective i was talking about… What's next? Someone with a Wall-E avatar? Oh Wait! Too late! =O (the kind of generation i was talking about. Let's toast for Spongebob!)
Hey man….. Don't diss my Wall-E Avatar. It might hurt my feelings.
I accept that you dislike DBS. Please accept that I do, and lets move on without implying that only someone with a certain age range and mentality could have a certain avatar or like a certain show.
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Guys, lets be glad Trunks vs Zamasu wasnt like this.
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this has been probably the dumbest argument I've seen on this website
and that's really saying something -
this has been probably the dumbest argument I've seen on this website
and that's really saying somethingGlad I could contribute in some small way to this rare and amazing event.
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this has been probably the dumbest argument I've seen on this website
and that's really saying somethingAgreed. I'm done trying to explain how opinions work.
OK I have to rant about Future Trunks as well
now we have one episode to go and we got fucking nothing… Instead new super powers.
And again at the [offensive slur] comparing it to Gohan going 2 or Goku going 3. No, it's nothing like it. Why?
Because no one fucking cared or asked what happened to Trunks. They were just like oh cool he is stronger now. Not even his fucking das haven't asked how his son was able to get blue aura while in Super Saiyan mode and becoming as stronger if not stronger as him while being just SS2 as well.
Wow ok, offensive stuff aside, I too was kinda wondering what the hell was up with Trunks' sudden powerups… I kept expecting him to actually fully turn Blue during the fight at some point and we'd get a dumb quick explanation from Goku or Vegeta that they've been secretly feeding him God Ki to help him or something and that sparked a transformation, or at the very least see him go Full SSB right after Goku and Vegeta were shown doing exactly that... but no, it seems to JUST be the cliche Shonen "He got angry and got more powerful". It's not a new form, it's just they decided to make the aura kinda blue for some reason which makes it confusing.
Gonna be honest tho, Toriyama is the king of Asspulls, so it doesn't bother me too much.
The entire Cyborg/Cell arc was Asspull after asspull. In fact, one of the first Asspulls actually caused a plothole. In the Japanese version of the Manga, when Trunks comes back to warn everyone about the Cyborgs, he explicitly says 19 and 20 are the Cyborgs he's talking about. Then when an Editor at Jump told Toriyama he didn't like 19 and 20's designs, he made them job to Vegeta and then swapped them out with 17 and 18. Trunks just comes to the past again and is like "Oh, I ALWAYS meant 17 and 18". Cell was the same, Editor didn't like 17 and 18 either, so in comes Cell. Plus, Gohan punches Cell so hard he throws up 18 right? We SEE him de-power down to his middle form, and he blows himself up.
Not only does he then survive this explosion, but MIRACULOUSLY he's back to his perfect form and just as powerful despite literally having thrown up the primary source of his power.
Not to mention all the Asspulls in the Boo arc.
"What, I need to get Gohan more powerful to fight Boo? Old Kaioshin can just magically awaken his 'sleeping powers', it'll be fine"
"I already established that if you separate the evil in Boo from Fat Boo, you get the Grey boo that's a little stronger than Fat Boo... But now I want a different design and I want him to be more powerful, so SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION, removing Fat Boo from Super Boo suddenly makes him Kid Boo."
"Oh, the fusion with the earrings is permanent"
"Oh, we unfused inside Boo... must be the 'bad air' inside Boo here that undid that fusion we already established was permanent."I guess I'm just desensitized to Toriyama doing an Asspull at this point... Tho, honestly, I'm actually really happy Super gave a better explanation for the original Potara Asspull. I like Super's explanation way better.
About Trunks, maybe they'll explain it next week? Like, during the resolution of the plot, Trunks can be like "I didn't notice because I was so wrapped up in fighting, but how did I get that powerful?" etc and MAYBE we'll get an explanation. Fingers crossed.
However, If we don't, and we have to speculate on this... This arc loves to bring back cool old concepts that were abandoned. I never thougt the Mafuba was EVER coming back for example... Trunks HAS been getting beaten nearly to death a lot and then healed... Maybe he's been getting a ton of those Saiyan "Near Death" boosts?
That provided the ground work, and then getting Mad pushed him over the top?
That's the best I got.