He'll probably get some cool power-ups now that Luffy showed Gear 4th.
As you say till not so long ago we had no idea what Luffy is capable of.
Now I am certain that Sanji has some absolutely killer skill. Like blue fire, muscle release like Vergo or Lao G had.. Some life return technique like what Lucci had that would make Sanji buff for some short time could work out well imo
As you say till not so long ago we had no idea what Luffy is capable of.
Now I am certain that Sanji has some absolutely killer skill. Like blue fire, muscle release like Vergo or Lao G had.. Some life return technique like what Lucci had that would make Sanji buff for some short time could work out well imo
That last one would be a waste on a character that only attacks with legs, though.
thats exactly what I want as well.
And seeing all the awesmoe martial artists as Fishmen Karate, Hasshoken, Burges or even… I thinkj Sanji needs something
Sanji already has his own awesome and unique Black Leg Style, with fiery kicks and everything.
He doesn't need to copy others. He just has to improve what he already has.
That last one would be a waste on a character that only attacks with legs, though.
Then just his legs getting more muscular and making him look grotesque? Like Zoros gorilla moves. Thus Sanji holding back with using this skill as it would make him look Okama-like because of disproportions.
Would make sense as it goes for One Piece characters and their quirky abilities if Sanji now has something like that.
Still its just one of dozen possibilities and only certain thing is that Sanji, same as Luffy has some skill that makes him very dangerous.
it seems to me that this year might be about sanji past and making allies more than him gain new techniques + sanji have to shown us what he learned in past 2 years first .
then it'll be cool if he gets some assassin skills helping the craw against kaido
I am really impressed with Oda's art and personality when it comes to the Minks. They all have unique designs and little quirks that really make this arc shine. I have not been as happy to explore a new island since skypia!
So he shouldn't learn anything else? His fire so far in the new world did shit
But it is his fighting style, and it's a fine one.
It's not like learning Rankyaku or whatever would make him much stronger anyway.
Again… He hasn't to copy the one I mentioned by step up his fighting style besides just fire which burned nothing besides Wadatsumi.
As long range, internal damage or something. Or did you had a problem with him learning Geppou?
Nope, but like I edited in above, stuff like Rankyaku wouldn't really make him much stronger.
Geppou was great because it allowed him to literally reach new heights and greatly improved his mobility, with the technique itself being very basic. Rankyaku doesn't really offer anything meaningful as Sanji never really had a problem with range.
Sanji just really needs to make his Diable Jambe bigger and hotter, by showing more impressive techniques with it.
But it is his fighting style, and it's a fine one.
It's not like learning Rankyaku or whatever would make him much stronger.
There's too little progress compared to pre-timeskip, appearance wise, anyway.
And I sure think it would make him stronger. At least able to cope with a lot more different situations.
But like I said, not necessarily cutting, but maybe blunt attack, like Burgess. He deffinitly knows more than he has shown so far. It remains to be seen what route Oda decided to take.
Nope, but like I edited in above, stuff like Rankyaku wouldn't really make him much stronger.
Geppou was great because it allowed him to literally reach new heights and greatly improved his mobility, with the technique itself being very basic. Rankyaku doesn't really offer anything meaningful as Sanji never really had a problem with range.
Sanji just really needs to make his Diable Jambe bigger and hotter, by showing more impressive techniques with it.
No a long range move isn't needed. For sure not… Let us just agree to disagree
There's too little progress compared to pre-timeskip, appearance wise, anyway.
And I sure think it would make him stronger. At least able to cope with a lot more different situations.
But like I said, not necessarily cutting, but maybe blunt attack, like Burgess. He deffinitly knows more than he has shown so far. It remains to be seen what route Oda decided to take.
Again, Sanji doesn't really need more ranged moves, he needs stronger moves.
At this point, Rankyaku or whatever would just look lame in comparison to stuff like the Grill Shot and Hell Memories.
I just reread the chap of Luffy and Big Mom and stumbled over something Tamago mentioned.
Kidd had sunken two of her ships. While he was going after Shanks. And then he met Kaido, and probably will survive… You were saying something Zoro?
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Again, Sanji doesn't really need more ranged moves, he needs stronger moves.
At this point, Rankyaku or whatever would just look lame in comparison to stuff like the Grill Shot and Hell Memories.
I'd argue he needs more variety too. Just compare him to the other two from trio and you'll realize how lacking he is, in range most of all.
Anyway, learning stronger moves doesn't mean you can't learn weaker moves with more range as well. It's like if Zoro gave up from aerial slashes because physical slashes were stronger, or something. And let's not forget Lucci was able to cut steel with his Rankyaku Gaichou. I bet he could have cut through Punk Hazard cell door with that. And, like I mentioned before, Burgess elbows holes in the wall from a big distance.
I don't know, gaining more range seems like a natural progression for someone like Sanji. He's already able to stay in the air by kicking it, kicking the air to cause damage in the distance can't be that far off.
There are only so many ways in which his attacking power can go.
No a long range move isn't needed. For sure not… Let us just agree to disagree
Zoro improved immensely by just making his usual attacks stronger.
It's like saying that Zoro needs more one/two-sword moves. Would be good for him, but it's not what he needs.
I just reread the chap of Luffy and Big Mom and stumbled over something Tamago mentioned.
Kidd had sunken two of her ships. While he was going after Shanks. And then he met Kaido, and probably will survive… You were saying something Zoro?
What do you mean while he was going after Shanks. For all we know, he has yet to make a move against him.
And it's not like Kaido dropping on his head was part of the plan.
I'd argue he needs more variety too. Just compare him to the other two from trio and you'll realize how lacking he is, in range most of all.
Anyway, learning stronger moves doesn't mean you can't learn weaker moves with more range as well. It's like if Zoro gave up from aerial slashes because physical slashes were stronger, or something. And let's not forget Lucci was able to cut steel with his Rankyaku Gaichou. And, like I mentioned before, Burgess elbows holes in the wall from a big distance.
I don't know, gaining more range seems like a natural progression for someone like Sanji. He's already able to stay in the air by kicking it, kicking the air to cause damage in the distance can't be that far off.
There are only so many ways in which his attacking power can go.
So what if he lacks range? That was never considered a weakness in-universe. No one has ever told Sanji that his lack of reach is something that needs to be worked on.
And if you're going to pull the RPG stat card, then do not ignore that Sanji has far more mobility than the rest of the trio, compensating for any range issues.
I mean, next we're going to say that Nami and Usopp need to be physically stronger, or that Franky requires more speed. Again, it would be nice if they did, but it's not what they need.
I just reread the chap of Luffy and Big Mom and stumbled over something Tamago mentioned.
Kidd had sunken two of her ships. While he was going after Shanks. And then he met Kaido, and probably will survive… You were saying something Zoro?
LOL …nice one. but i think there's difference between cross paths with yonoko and be targeted by one .
So why is it so cool for every swordman? Or People da Iva, mentor of Sanji
All fighting styles have their own weaknesses.
Hasshoken, for example, is even more range-limited than Sanji's moves, but it is still powerful and awesome.
But really, it's not something that Sanji needs.
So what if he lacks range. That was never considered a weakness in-universe. No one has ever told Sanji that his lack of reach is a weakness.
And if you're going to pull the RPG stat card, then do not ignore that Sanji has far more mobility than the rest of the trio, compensating for any range issues.
I mean, next we're going to say that Nami and Usopp need to be physically stronger, or that Franky requires more speed. Again, it would be nice if they did, but it's not what they need.
Doesn't mean it won't become a weakness eventually. You keep saying it was never a weakness before. They were never in NW before either.
Nobody is pulling the RPG stat card. Range is range. And I disagree Sanji has more mobility than Luffy. Not with what he has shown so far. And even if he has more mobility than Zoro, if it came to 2 of them fighting, Zoro could compensate with range.
Nami, Usopp or Franky aren't in nearly enough fights for those things to matter. Only one among them who will be in a serious melee is Franky and he makes up for the lack of speed with defense and, once again, range.
What do you mean while he was going after Shanks. For all we know, he has yet to make a move against him.
But he does reckless actions against another Yonko, could be unwise and yet he is still alive. And I guess he is able to fend off unplanned Kaido.
Doesn't mean it won't become a weakness eventually. You keep saying it was never a weakness before. They were never in NW before either.
Nobody is pulling the RPG stat card. Range is range. And I disagree Sanji has more mobility than Luffy. Not with what he has shown so far. And even if he has more mobility than Zoro, if it came to 2 of them fighting, Zoro could compensate with range.
Nami, Usopp or Franky aren't in nearly enough fights for those things to matter. Only one among them who will be in a serious melee is Franky and he makes up for the lack of speed with defense and, once again, range.
And Sanji compensates his lack of reach with fast, strong moves and the ability to literally fly (which makes his mobility the best in the crew). Thus, he can easily approach any opponent.
See, I can play this game too. Reach is not everything. In fact, it's an unimportant thing outside of fighting games. How many times haven't we seen martial artists beating gunners in fiction?
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LOL …nice one. but i think there's difference between cross paths with yonoko and be targeted by one .
You're right. I just hope the Marines thoroughly thrashed Jack. Would be helpful.
And Sanji compensates his lack of reach with fast, strong moves and the ability to literally fly (which makes his mobility the best in the crew).
See, I can play this game too. Reach is not everything. In fact, it's an unimportant thing outside of fighting games.
Reach isn't important. You mean as Zoro vs Ohm or or Oars? Or his love against Monet?
It is useful in certain battles and common in the new world so what hinders Sanji to have it? Certainly not his level of skill
And Sanji compensates his lack of reach with fast, strong moves and the ability to literally fly (which makes his mobility the best in the crew).
See, I can play this game too. Reach is not everything. In fact, it's an unimportant thing outside of fighting games.
But I think we can both agree that it's better to have it than not. Just in case.
I still think Luffy is more versatile when it comes to mobility, with his high speed, ability to grab a hold of distant objects to pull himself towards them and ultimately, flying.
And like I said, causing damage by kicking air should be a natural progression after being able to fly by kicking air.
Reach isn't important. You mean as Zoro vs Ohm or or Oars? Or his love against Monet?
It is useful in certain battles and common in the new world so what hinders Sanji to have it? Certainly not his level of skill
Range is not really important at all, especially for a character like Sanji, who can easily compensate that with speed and agility. No character has ever commented range as an essential thing in fights.
I mean, what was the last time Sanji suffered from lacking range? During his fights with both Vergo and Doula Mongo, all his attacks connected, showing that range wasn't the problem, but rather power.
putting aside whether it is needed or not,i also would really like to see sanji have more ranged moves.seeing that he was able to reproduce skywalk,i want to see him make a variant of rankyaku(as others have said).could be something else too,i guess
You're right. I just hope the Marines thoroughly thrashed Jack. Would be helpful.
I get where you are coming from
but personally i think it's better for the story if he's still alive
i would like to see a luffy vs jack in the near future
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I get where you are coming from
but personally i think it's better for the story if he's still alive
i would like to see a luffy vs jack in the near future
No 1 billion berri man will be off-screened, not in my lifetime, not in a billion years.
So worry not. He's going to come after Strawhat when Kaido finds out who the source of Doffy's defeat was, but I don't think he will fight Luffy, I think Zoro will be tested to his limits.
I'd argue he needs more variety too. Just compare him to the other two from trio and you'll realize how lacking he is, in range most of all.
Anyway, learning stronger moves doesn't mean you can't learn weaker moves with more range as well. It's like if Zoro gave up from aerial slashes because physical slashes were stronger, or something. And let's not forget Lucci was able to cut steel with his Rankyaku Gaichou. I bet he could have cut through Punk Hazard cell door with that. And, like I mentioned before, Burgess elbows holes in the wall from a big distance.
I don't know, gaining more range seems like a natural progression for someone like Sanji. He's already able to stay in the air by kicking it, kicking the air to cause damage in the distance can't be that far off.
There are only so many ways in which his attacking power can go.
i want to see the day when sanji will need to use his hands to fight. When he defeated the noodles guy in that sea train, using a kitchen knife, i thought that was amazing. Sanji says he can't use his hands because he needs them to cook, but when the situation comes and he is forced to, i bet that it would be epic, easily surpassing zoro.
i want to see the day when sanji will need to use his hands to fight. When he defeated the noodles guy in that sea train, using a kitchen knife, i thought that was amazing. Sanji says he can't use his hands because he needs them to cook, but when the situation comes and he is forced to, i bet that it would be epic, easily surpassing zoro.
Surpassing Zoro? Zoro is closer to Luffy than he is to Sanji fighting ability-wise.
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Given his position in the crew sanji is weak as fuck. Zoro could feasibly go toe-to-toe with a shichibukai level oponent at this point
Sanji struggled against a shichibukai's underling.
That said, he has a huge opportunity for an upgrade in the next arc. Either that or kill him off
I think Zoro and Sanji are closer to each other, than Zoro is to Luffy. Yeah Zoro overpowers but I think that just his fighting style!
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Given his position in the crew sanji is weak as fuck. Zoro could feasibly go toe-to-toe with a shichibukai level oponent at this point
Except the War Lord that is his goal…
I get you though, how about Buggy? Actually maybe not even Buggy considering his abilities.
Sanji struggled against a shichibukai's underling.
Seriously I get where you are coming from but I don't know. The War Lords before the time skip sure, both Sanji and Zoro now could handle just about anyone Luffy handled then. All we need to look at is the Pacifista to be sure of that. But someone like Doflamingo? There are sure to be plenty of tricks up Sanji's and Zoro's sleeves but they have yet to display anything on the level of Gear 4 yet and how that completely outclassed a monster like Doflamingo.
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Surpassing Zoro? Zoro is closer to Luffy than he is to Sanji fighting ability-wise.
Some people take the little squabbling they have serious. I agree with you though Zoro is closer to Luffy then the later.
All fighting styles have their own weaknesses.
Hasshoken, for example, is even more range-limited than Sanji's moves, but it is still powerful and awesome.
But really, it's not something that Sanji needs.
Nice that you reminded me of Sai. He was not able to overpower Baby 5 during their fight even as she felt like one of weakest members of Doflamingos crew. Then he pulled a move that finished off Lao G buffed up form in second and cuts big part of hill. Sanji gotten to fight Vergo and we didn't seen Sanjis ultimate move.
Luffy has shown Gear 4th after I thought that Elephant Gattling might be his most dangerous move, Zoro has Ashura that is easily more dangerous than move that finished off Hyouzou..
So it is only natural for Sanji to have more dangerous technique than Hell Memories.
Maybe Sanjis Ryankyaku slashes are so big that he is holding back with using them, or he can use Spectre Ryankyaku as his fight prolongs and his legs get a warm up. How awesome it would be if he can boost out a storm of those cutting air blades.. Like a wall of those going at enemy. After warm up like with Elizabello or smthn but one minute instead of one hour.
Or maybe Sanjis legs get stronger as fight continues(fighting spirit much). There is a ton of possibilities for Oda to use..
Alright so does everyone basically think that Sanji needs something stronger than Diable Jiambe? His own version of Gear 3/Gear 4/Kyutoryu? Do you think when he meets up with his family he'll get stronger somehow. I think he's plenty strong slightly below Zoro but just hasn't had time to shine.
Alright so does everyone basically think that Sanji needs something stronger than Diable Jiambe? His own version of Gear 3/Gear 4/Kyutoryu? Do you think when he meets up with his family he'll get stronger somehow. I think he's plenty strong slightly below Zoro but just hasn't had time to shine.
Oda will make the characters perform as well as they need to for the story. Sanji is exactly where the story needs him to be.
Before gear 4 you could find plenty of folks who said Luffy's training wasn't enough, Hodi shouldn't have been able to bite through his Haki. Caesar should have never been able to suffocate him. Luffy should have been able to destroy Noah. If it isn't Luffy people are worried is too weak it's Sanji. Zoro hasn't gotten it because drowning is understandable and aside from pre-roid Hodi, Zoro never had to fight the boss before the climax of a given arc. Though Zoro was hard on himself for not being more aware when the Yeti cool brothers put him and the others to sleep.
Who knows what Sanji has up his pants but we all know he has something. The moment Sanji is shown to be lacking in some sort of utility or fight when things go down you can bet within that very arc he'll overcome it.
One Piece is like a role playing game. Every time the characters get involved with anything their experience points grow and they level up.
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Who knows what Sanji has up his pants but we all know he has something. The moment Sanji is shown to be lacking in some sort of utility or fight when things go down you can bet within that very arc he'll overcome it.
One Piece is like a role playing game. Every time the characters get involved with anything their experience points grow and they level up.
It's just frustrating to see Zoro and most of the time Luffy blitz thru people while Sanji's most impressive battle so far was one-shotting Sheepshead. Now I know Vergo and especially Dofla were beasts but I mean one could arguably dispute that Sanji's lost more fights so far in the New World than won (the important ones anyway). I suppose Oda's starving us to make Sanj's feats later that much more awesome and satisfying but jeez, it just seems like this is a strange way to handle his character development battle-wise especially now he's heading to Whole Cake Island all the sudden.
Except the War Lord that is his goal…
I get you though, how about Buggy? Actually maybe not even Buggy considering his abilities.
I doubt Luffy can take Mihawk at this point either. As for Buggy Zoro just his aura to win.
What Sanji needs is not more power nor variety in his fighting style, but more moments to shine. But it's exactly the same with Zoro. I'd be happy if Luffy decides to not going after Sanji, or at least if straw hats like Zoro or Sanji have their own arcs. And personally fighting doesn't need to be at the center to provide enjoying readings like in the Foxy's arc which were more like a variety game. Anyway a marriage being at the center of the plot is quite a good move. Most likely we'll have good readings knowing more about Sanji's past and about his future decisions.
It's just frustrating to see Zoro and most of the time Luffy blitz thru people while Sanji's most impressive battle so far was one-shotting Sheepshead. Now I know Vergo and especially Dofla were beasts but I mean one could arguably dispute that Sanji's lost more fights so far in the New World than won (the important ones anyway). I suppose Oda's starving us to make Sanj's feats later that much more awesome and satisfying but jeez, it just seems like this is a strange way to handle his character development battle-wise especially now he's heading to Whole Cake Island all the sudden.
Zoro maybe but Luffy hasn't blitzed through everyone. I get what you mean though.
Sanji against Doflamingo was a loss more or less sure but not against Vergo. The fight was never concluded and Sanji did land several kicks that sent Vergo flying into a wall and bleeding.
People have pointed out though that Sanji not getting one full meaningful fight since Fishman Island and all the gags thrown at him was all a purposeful set up by Oda. Show Sanji in somewhat of a lesser light than we are used to in preparation for a major Sanji blow out. I didn't think so at first but now with this year of Sanji thing, that all may been the case.
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While I agree Sanji vould use ranged attacks, like for example with Capone. If he kicks him from low range thne he can get shrinked, but with ranged attacks he would avoid to go in his body.
I think the fights with Vergo and Doflamingo show that he needs to improve his defense more. Let's take CoA for example. It was said Luffy doesn't specialize in it but still uses it all the time. He did get good damage from their attacks, and it doesn't look like CoO specialization is that great with strong guys, since it's unlikely you will see and dodge all their strong moves.
Besides, so far his nickname ''BLACKleg'' is there just because he likes to wear black pants lol. Wasn't the nickname of former admiral Z from the movie ''black arm'' because of his CoA?
Given his position in the crew sanji is weak as fuck. Zoro could feasibly go toe-to-toe with a shichibukai level oponent at this point
Sanji struggled against a shichibukai's underling.
That said, he has a huge opportunity for an upgrade in the next arc. Either that or kill him off
Sanji is equal in powerlevel to Zoro. Have you forgot that he defeated Jabra who was only 20 Dorikis less than Kaku hence it proved and portrays that Sanji is almost if not equal to Zoro in powerlevel. The who monster trio is Luffy captain Zoro right hand and Sanji left hand. I am 95% sure Sanji has not revealed his ultimate move post time skip or he could have easily defeated Vergo but due to the circumstances it was not to be.
What Sanji needs is not more power nor variety in his fighting style, but more moments to shine. .
This, 100%
The only reason some people seem to believe that any sort of gap between Zoro may of increased Post-Timeskip is because Sanji has not been given as many moments to shine in comparison to Pre-Timeskip.
Once he gets his moments – which are clearly coming -- the rest will follow.
He won't shine much without some new attacks.
His mentor can use flying attacks with his damn eyelashes. And he supposedly defeated him.
Nice that you reminded me of Sai. He was not able to overpower Baby 5 during their fight even as she felt like one of weakest members of Doflamingos crew. Then he pulled a move that finished off Lao G buffed up form in second and cuts big part of hill. Sanji gotten to fight Vergo and we didn't seen Sanjis ultimate move.
Luffy has shown Gear 4th after I thought that Elephant Gattling might be his most dangerous move, Zoro has Ashura that is easily more dangerous than move that finished off Hyouzou..
So it is only natural for Sanji to have more dangerous technique than Hell Memories.
Maybe Sanjis Ryankyaku slashes are so big that he is holding back with using them, or he can use Spectre Ryankyaku as his fight prolongs and his legs get a warm up. How awesome it would be if he can boost out a storm of those cutting air blades.. Like a wall of those going at enemy. After warm up like with Elizabello or smthn but one minute instead of one hour.
Or maybe Sanjis legs get stronger as fight continues(fighting spirit much). There is a ton of possibilities for Oda to use..
Considering that Sanji mostly fights through Diablo Jambe nowadays, I doubt he would have anything that is not fire-based.
He won't shine much without some new attacks.
His mentor can use flying attacks with his damn eyelashes. And he supposedly defeated him.
What's with this obsession with flying attacks?
Also, Sanji already has a move that imitates Ivankov, but doesn't require air bursts. Just goes to show that he doesn't really care about range.
