Although I do agree that Sei's answer is kinda really lackluster, I think it was pretty clear that Sei was never going to be anywhere close to terrible as his real life counterpart.
Maybe he'll rack it up to Li Si and Zhao Gao or something.
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A) Actually, no serious effort has been to military unification of China before, so no, that is not true.
B) Ryufui's plan has not an ounce of practicality in it, so stop pretending that it does.
Killing your enemies and taking them over has never been tried before? It's what everyone is currently trying to do. Sei just wants to kill way more people and sacrifice way more lives.
And you keep saying there's nothing practical about a plan that can bypass all that?
Practicality? You are talking about country were killing and raping your enemies children was socially acceptable, respected and expected.
Dude…what the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything? Countries that have committed war crimes are incapable of trading goods? What?
And how exactly can you make yourself essential within the realms of ancient china? Because you are the only one producing silk, for example? So they will come, kill you, and take your workers and materials for themselfs.
That's an oversimplification of a very complicated issue. That's assuming they get past your defenses which would involve losing who knows how many lives and resources. And there's no guarantee that you'll get the silk, they could easily burn it all. And even if you get it, you won't be able to prduce it with enarly the same fficiency and prowess even if you steal workers assuming you don't accidentally kill them. Do you know who is in charge of that stuff? And even if you get it, you'll have to set up a system to create your silk and distribute it back home when you have no idea what you're doing. Why waste all that time, money, resource and lives when you can simply buy it?
Why would they pay for it, and tolerate being on mercy of your whims, if they can just slit your throat?
Because it's EASIER. You need to understand these characters are populated by people not cartoon characters. They strike a deal with the country, buy more and more of the product and before they know it, they've become totally dependent on it. That's how the ECONOMY works.
It's not profound. It is a logical assumption: People are good in nature, therefore after unification lasting peace can be achieved.
Well the characters sure are treating it as profound and there's absolutely nothing logical about the assumption.
… Yes, everything will be wonderful if we just let Ryufui change us into utopia.
Funny. Remember that you mention that this is what modern China did? Perhaps you should do so research towards the means it was done with.
Really now. Your premise is the most unrealistic thing I have ever heard.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Well that was a letdown. Now back to the fights.
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Does anyone knows if Sun Tzu has relevance in this history?
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Does anyone knows if Sun Tzu has relevance in this history?
Not really unless we see some future general quoting his stuff. He lived around ~200-300 years ago from where the story takes place
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I'm not sure why people disliked the exchange between Sei and Ryofui. It was actually a practical and realistic conversation.
Sei is an optimist while Ryofui is a pessimist. Sei believes that peace can be achieved through warring while Ryofui believes that peace can be achieved through money – it is important to note that neither believes peace can be achieved through diplomacy given truces mean nothing and there has already been too much bloodshed that any king who proposes such will lose his army (as shown in the Qin vs. All arc). Sei believes that if he crushed the other kingdoms once an for all -- to the degree that none will ever dare to oppose him or Qin -- then he will never have to worry about a rebellions/uprisings after the unification wars. Ryofui believes that Qin can either pay off other nations so they don't attack Qin (i.e. either bribe high ranking officials/generals) or that he can build an economy where Qin's importance is pervasive enough that other nations can't attack Qin. It's important to note that both Sei and Ryofui's ideals are still in practice today and are entirely unsuccessful (dominance through violence just leads to more violence and interconnected economies and sanctions is entirely ineffective for all parties), and the only proven method for deferring conflicts in any meaningful way is diplomacy (we have less wars now than before due to the efforts of the UN). The reason Ryofui and his faction end up being moved by Sei's words is that despite seeing the worst of humanity and knowing that he will be hated throughout history for his actions, Sei is still willing to believe in humanity and the possibility of peace for all of China.
I think this really drives home why Hara chose to make Sei much nicer than as he is historically depicted -- historically, Sei would've known he was going to be hated by others for his actions, but he also knew the ends justified the means. While it's true it makes for a better read if one of the MCs isn't a murderous psychopath, it also account for any historical inaccuracies caused by biases against the historical Sei. After his reign ended, the subsequent dynasties spent a lot of time poisoning the well and shit talking him. In comparison, the Mongol Khanate/Yuan dynasty and the Maoists have done more atrocious things;
- Northern China's population dropped from 50M to 8.5M from 1195 - 1235
- Kublai Khan unified Northern and Southern China under the Yuan Dynasty using methods far more brutal than Sei (the Mongols raped, pillaged, and destroyed more than any other empire in history)
- Mao openly flaunted his massacres, having killed 40M - 80M over the course of his regime (he vowed to surpass Sei's death toll a hundred times over)
- Long term death tolls of Mao's policies are unknown
- Mao burried 46,000 scholars alive (in comparison to Sei's 460)
- Mao didn't mind the possibility of a nuclear holocaust since it would allow him to defeat capitalists at the cost of the lives of his own people
Is Sei the reason for a lot of destruction and killing? Yes. But, at the same time, such a death toll was inevitable considering it was the warring period -- if not in the short term then in the long term. In the age of conquerors, it was inevitable that someone else would've conquered the Chinese kingdoms eventually. Works like The Ten Crimes of Qin and The Faults of Qin are critical of Sei's brutality, but they disregard the fact that he was the first Emperor and Qin was the first United Empire in the history of China – there are obviously going to be mistakes made. Sei's desperate attempt to find immortality is clearly illustrative of this; his desperation to achieve a single, unified, and peaceful nation made him delusional and disconnected from his original ambition.
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@TLC:
Killing your enemies and taking them over has never been tried before? It's what everyone is currently trying to do. Sei just wants to kill way more people and sacrifice way more lives.
And you keep saying there's nothing practical about a plan that can bypass all that?
There is no plan. Ryufui says that he is going to turn the country into economical utopia, without going into a single detail, and you just buy it. We have literaly not seen anything solid about that plan. It's not practical.
Everybody can say they will do things.
@TLC:
Dude…what the fuck are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything? Countries that have committed war crimes are incapable of trading goods? What?
No, countries that have long history of just taking what they want with nothing to stop from waging war, won't stop waging war simply because they trade goods.
France was the biggest trade partner of Hitlers Germany, but that didn't exactly save their asses from blitzkrieg, now, did it?
@TLC:
That's an oversimplification of a very complicated issue. That's assuming they get past your defenses which would involve losing who knows how many lives and resources. And there's no guarantee that you'll get the silk, they could easily burn it all. And even if you get it, you won't be able to prduce it with enarly the same fficiency and prowess even if you steal workers assuming you don't accidentally kill them. Do you know who is in charge of that stuff? And even if you get it, you'll have to set up a system to create your silk and distribute it back home when you have no idea what you're doing. Why waste all that time, money, resource and lives when you can simply buy it?
A) You are assuming the major politcal powers have no people like that.
B) Ignoring the social issue. Like the fact that trading was most despised social element of ancient China. Ruler who would deal with Ryufui would have been despised by both nobility, as he would have by ordinary people.
C) If people acted rationaly all the time, no wars would have been ever waged.
@TLC:
Because it's EASIER. You need to understand these characters are populated by people not cartoon characters. They strike a deal with the country, buy more and more of the product and before they know it, they've become totally dependent on it. That's how the ECONOMY works.
I do. It's you that you don't. Real people have issues like pride, and wrath, and other deadly sins. Wars are not waged purely from economical reasons, and neither do they stop from purely economical reasons. Especially not in that era.
You can scream economy all you want, but it won't change that.
@TLC:
Well the characters sure are treating it as profound and there's absolutely nothing logical about the assumption.
Oh, there is plenty, but you refuse to see it, because it doesn't fit your own view point.
@TLC:
What the fuck are you talking about?
You. You have contrived every single thing to make Ryufui's plan look like an ideal solution, and you are asking me what I'm talking about?
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There is no plan. Ryufui says that he is going to turn the country into economical utopia, without going into a single detail, and you just buy it. We have literaly not seen anything solid about that plan. It's not practical.
Everybody can say they will do things.
He's proven his skills as a great merchant. That's all we need. We don't need to go into details about trade agreements. It's a hell of a lot more of a plan than just attack everyone.
No, countries that have long history of just taking what they want with nothing to stop from waging war, won't stop waging war simply because they trade goods.
France was the biggest trade partner of Hitlers Germany, but that didn't exactly save their asses from blitzkrieg, now, did it?
Germany was broke as fuck after World War I and all the countries were pillaging it for resources. Their lack of resources and poverty necessitated appointing a madman as their leader in their desperation.
A) You are assuming the major politcal powers have no people like that.
B) Ignoring the social issue. Like the fact that trading was most despised social element of ancient China. Ruler who would deal with Ryufui would have been despised by both nobility, as he would have by ordinary people.
C) If people acted rationaly all the time, no wars would have been ever waged.
My assumptions are far less than yours. Also I don't know where you're pulling this trading is despised in ancient China. It's never been mentioned once in the series. If that's really how it was in real life (which I highly doubt because it makes no sense), it's irrelevant because if it were something so big, it would have been mentioned by the characters. Would have been a hell lot more convincing than Sei's pretentious rabble. And of course the plan isn't fucking foolproof, no plan is, that doesn't need saying, but it's far more feasible, practical and taking into account human psychology than Sei's idealistic bullcrap does.
I do. It's you that you don't. Real people have issues like pride, and wrath, and other deadly sins. Wars are not waged purely from economical reasons, and neither do they stop from purely economical reasons. Especially not in that era.
You can scream economy all you want, but it won't change that.
Well that's up to Diplomacy isn't it? Not pissing off the country until you managed to establish a trade they can't do without. NO country is going to attack a country whose economic resource they are highly dependent on. Look at the US and how much it bends itself for oil. Again, of course this plan is not foolproof but it's far more reliable, sensible and FAR LESS cost-effective (as in nobody has to die).
Oh, there is plenty, but you refuse to see it, because it doesn't fit your own view point.
There is no logic to Sei's plan, there isn't even a plan. It's idealistic tripe with no practical solution. "I believe in the integrity of humanity so much, I will needlessly sacrifice their lives to achieve my selfish goals even though I've been presented with a solution that would result in no loss of life but it won't work because of the possibility of corruption even though I just said I believe in human integrity so much!"
Ironically it just makes look Sei like a hypocrite because he's supposed to be the guy that cares about human life and Ryofui is the utilitarian yet their plans are the complete opposite of their ideals lol
You. You have contrived every single thing to make Ryufui's plan look like an ideal solution, and you are asking me what I'm talking about?
No, that's not an answer. I want to know what you're talking about with what China had to do. Give practical examples and tell me what that has to do with the current economic stability of the country reliant on mutually beneficial trade between foreign countries.
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@TLC:
He's proven his skills as a great merchant. That's all we need. We don't need to go into details about trade agreements. It's a hell of a lot more of a plan than just attack everyone.
… No it isn't? Ability to make money for yourself means nothing, when it comes to actually running a country. Not to mention that we have seen his skills at predicting the movement of his enemies were not so great.
The guy missed the entire coalition being made against Qin, and you say he will be able to create a situation when nobody will invade them ever?
@TLC:
Germany was broke as fuck after World War I and all the countries were pillaging it for resources. Their lack of resources and poverty necessitated appointing a madman as their leader in their desperation.
Yes, because rulers from ancient times are known to be best examples of sanity. And you are dodging the fact that said situation counters your arguments.
@TLC:
My assumptions are far less than yours.
I highly doubt that.
@TLC:
Also I don't know where you're pulling this trading is despised in ancient China. It's never been mentioned once in the series. If that's really how it was in real life (which I highly doubt because it makes no sense), it's irrelevant because if it were something so big, it would have been mentioned by the characters.
Yes it was. It is in big part why Ryufui was villified after his death. And not by Qin, mind you, by their enemies. And class differences are mentioned plenty.
@TLC:
Would have been a hell lot more convincing than Sei's pretentious rabble. And of course the plan isn't fucking foolproof, no plan is, that doesn't need saying, but it's far more feasible, practical and taking into account human psychology than Sei's idealistic bullcrap does.
It is neither more feasible nor more practical. And if you think it takes into account actual human psychology, then you have not studied human psychology.
We have seen motivations behind most of the wars thus far. How, in your opinion, would Ryufui's plan prevent all that?
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Well that's up to Diplomacy isn't it? Not pissing off the country until you managed to establish a trade they can't do without. NO country is going to attack a country whose economic resource they are highly dependent on. Look at the US and how much it bends itself for oil. Again, of course this plan is not foolproof but it's far more reliable, sensible and FAR LESS cost-effective (as in nobody has to die).
You seem to have missed few things. Like the fact that the situation like can't be established within the realms of Ancient China. There are no trade goods that would be a necessity that other powers can't produce on their own. Ryufui even realizes that, saying that he will keep the foreign powers from attacking Qin by bribing people with gold.
Because as we all know, you can trust corrupt politicians that just betrayed their own homeland.
Not to mention that Ryufui's method just strengthens the status quo. He himself states that wars can't be ended. So people will still die, even if his plan is followed true, and if it actually works. Which, btw, everything in the series thus far points that it won't.
@TLC:
There is no logic to Sei's plan, there isn't even a plan. It's idealistic tripe with no practical solution. "I believe in the integrity of humanity so much, I will needlessly sacrifice their lives to achieve my selfish goals even though I've been presented with a solution that would result in no loss of life but it won't work because of the possibility of corruption even though I just said I believe in human integrity so much!"
When you put it like that… it sounds as if you haven't read the manga.
Also, you continue to say needlessly sacrifice. If Sei is right, than he has more than enough of a cause.
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Ironically it just makes look Sei like a hypocrite because he's supposed to be the guy that cares about human life and Ryofui is the utilitarian yet their plans are the complete opposite of their ideals lol
… No, it doesn't? Actually, if you read most of works regarding authoritarism, you will see that most of it has very idealistic roots. And Ryofui was never utilitarian. He is opportunist.
And yes, if Sei actually cares about human life, he would go with his plans. Mostly since Ryufui's plan at best guarantees safety to Qin. Other state would still wage wars. People would still die. Of course, they would die with more gold coins in their pockets, because that's what counts...
@TLC:
No, that's not an answer. I want to know what you're talking about with what China had to do. Give practical examples and tell me what that has to do with the current economic stability of the country reliant on mutually beneficial trade between foreign countries.
Perhaps you would like a rundown of crimes against humanity that China commited in order to reform their country to were it is now?
Or all the breaches of ethics they are commiting everyday to keep it up?
Economic stability? Sure. At the cost of morality and their own bloody people. It is not some glorious utopian state, they are paying in blood for it!
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This argument is getting needless fucking convoluted with all the multiposting and it's not going anywhere.
We both agree that Sei's plan isn't any fucking better than Ryofui's at least and is far from the epic brilliant moment the manga is portraying it and let's leave it at that.
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I'm not sure why people disliked the exchange between Sei and Ryofui. It was actually a practical and realistic conversation.
Sei is an optimist while Ryofui is a pessimist. Sei believes that peace can be achieved through warring while Ryofui believes that peace can be achieved through money – it is important to note that neither believes peace can be achieved through diplomacy given truces mean nothing and there has already been too much bloodshed that any king who proposes such will lose his army (as shown in the Qin vs. All arc). Sei believes that if he crushed the other kingdoms once an for all -- to the degree that none will ever dare to oppose him or Qin -- then he will never have to worry about a rebellions/uprisings after the unification wars. Ryofui believes that Qin can either pay off other nations so they don't attack Qin (i.e. either bribe high ranking officials/generals) or that he can build an economy where Qin's importance is pervasive enough that other nations can't attack Qin. It's important to note that both Sei and Ryofui's ideals are still in practice today and are entirely unsuccessful (dominance through violence just leads to more violence and interconnected economies and sanctions is entirely ineffective for all parties), and the only proven method for deferring conflicts in any meaningful way is diplomacy (we have less wars now than before due to the efforts of the UN). The reason Ryofui and his faction end up being moved by Sei's words is that despite seeing the worst of humanity and knowing that he will be hated throughout history for his actions, Sei is still willing to believe in humanity and the possibility of peace for all of China.
I think this really drives home why Hara chose to make Sei much nicer than as he is historically depicted -- historically, Sei would've known he was going to be hated by others for his actions, but he also knew the ends justified the means. While it's true it makes for a better read if one of the MCs isn't a murderous psychopath, it also account for any historical inaccuracies caused by biases against the historical Sei. After his reign ended, the subsequent dynasties spent a lot of time poisoning the well and shit talking him. In comparison, the Mongol Khanate/Yuan dynasty and the Maoists have done more atrocious things;
- Northern China's population dropped from 50M to 8.5M from 1195 - 1235
- Kublai Khan unified Northern and Southern China under the Yuan Dynasty using methods far more brutal than Sei (the Mongols raped, pillaged, and destroyed more than any other empire in history)
- Mao openly flaunted his massacres, having killed 40M - 80M over the course of his regime (he vowed to surpass Sei's death toll a hundred times over)
- Long term death tolls of Mao's policies are unknown
- Mao burried 46,000 scholars alive (in comparison to Sei's 460)
- Mao didn't mind the possibility of a nuclear holocaust since it would allow him to defeat capitalists at the cost of the lives of his own people
Is Sei the reason for a lot of destruction and killing? Yes. But, at the same time, such a death toll was inevitable considering it was the warring period -- if not in the short term then in the long term. In the age of conquerors, it was inevitable that someone else would've conquered the Chinese kingdoms eventually. Works like The Ten Crimes of Qin and The Faults of Qin are critical of Sei's brutality, but they disregard the fact that he was the first Emperor and Qin was the first United Empire in the history of China – there are obviously going to be mistakes made. Sei's desperate attempt to find immortality is clearly illustrative of this; his desperation to achieve a single, unified, and peaceful nation made him delusional and disconnected from his original ambition.
Round of applause!
You actually get it.
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@TLC:
Also I don't know where you're pulling this trading is despised in ancient China. It's never been mentioned once in the series. If that's really how it was in real life (which I highly doubt because it makes no sense), it's irrelevant because if it were something so big, it would have been mentioned by the characters. Would have been a hell lot more convincing than Sei's pretentious rabble. And of course the plan isn't fucking foolproof, no plan is, that doesn't need saying, but it's far more feasible, practical and taking into account human psychology than Sei's idealistic bullcrap does.
Have you never heard of the four occupations class structure of Ancient China? According to this social order, the shang, merchants, traders and peddlers, were considered to be the lowest class of commoners, essential but nonetheless parasitic members of society who profited from the goods produced by the other three classes. The members of the merchant class were universally considered to be greedy and immoral.
There have been more than a single case during the court sessions, when Ryofui was called a merchant with apparent contempt. It is never focused on because this perception was nothing but commonplace, a very casual form of class discrimination.
Tsk. You'd think we wouldn't need such Shonen like plots in Seinen manga…
Neither shonen nor seinen describe anything else but the target demographic segmentation. It is never a marker of quality or maturity.
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Neither shonen nor seinen describe anything else but the target demographic segmentation. It is never a marker of quality or maturity.
What I meant was more that for the manga with adult themes, and very grey and grey morality, there is no need to pull such… well, juvenile plot with lights and all that stuff.
It lessens the actual message of it by using unfitting metaphor, imho. And I have to be honest, personal preference, I'm cynical man, I would have prefered less idealism, and more straight up counter-arguments on Sei's part, more in line with how Qin Shi Huang actually was.
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Using violence to create peace always backfires.
It's oxymoronic even Orwellian.
I can see Sei's noble nature, and he's well-intentioned. History is riddled with leaders who had a similar mindset. His past truly shapes him and he knows that even a rose can grow from the pavement.
Unfortunately the Earth is a big place. Much bigger than China. The dream doesn't stop inside the power vacuum of the Warring State era.
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Using violence to create peace always backfires.
It's oxymoronic even Orwellian.
I can see Sei's noble nature, and he's well-intentioned. History is riddled with leaders who had a similar mindset. His past truly shapes him and he knows that even a rose can grow from the pavement.
Unfortunately the Earth is a big place. Much bigger than China. The dream doesn't stop inside the power vacuum of the Warring State era.
And yet, it is a threat of violence that is the foundation of modern peace.
And in historical context, Sei does not know. He lacks empirical evidence.
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And yet, it is a threat of violence that is the foundation of modern peace.
And in historical context, Sei does not know. He lacks empirical evidence.
Modern peace is a facade. Turmoil erupts all the time it's just more controlled and isn't as widespread. Violence and war hasn't ended at all.
There should be civilizations south of the Chu Empire right?
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Chinese Scan of 428 is out: http://www.mangamint.com/kingdom-428
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! Everything is better once you see people being bisected like it's nothing
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This was a very nice chapter, with some touching moments. Didn't expect Shin to turn up so soon though :happy:
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Shin's arrival was awesome. I really expected her to die.
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Yep, it's good Hara chose to save her. We would have expect him for Kou(?).
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Shin will wreck the shit out of this rebellion and cement his place as Sei's most trusted General. He will be the hero of Qin and will represent Sei's ambitions To unify China.
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Totally saw that coming, but fun none the less. So Shin din't take out that guys son yet right, just the guy attacking her looked weirdly so much like him at times?…
And which of the girls was thinking of the plan to go for the horses legs in a painful, desperate bid to survive; because that was confusing especially after neither one did anything remotely like that?
Not completely sure how harems work, but Any1 else get the feeling Shin's comment indicated she would be his type/ future pairing/ friendship?
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Yeah, the guy he took out didn't have a cape iirc, while Hanoki's bastard has a cape. Looking forward to his death.
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That was a good chapter, I barely cared for You and Kou because they were generic, but this chapter made me care for them. And what an ending, Shin, bro, you are as good MC as Guts.
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Shin, where did you drop Ouki's glaive?
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Shin, where did you drop Ouki's glaive?
The glaive Shin is currently using is not Ouki's glaive, it's just a generic glaive he is using to train for the real thing. It was mentioned back in the last arc.
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So sad, people not even worth the training glaive anymore either
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! i didnt believe that Hanokis Son would be a real threat but that was a disapointment… He was weaker than i expected...
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! Pffft, little shit got what he deserved.
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Chinese scan: http://www.mangamint.com/kingdom-429
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Summary from king magax of MF forums:
! didn't expect this week's chapter is much earlier than normal
Ch429: The reputation of a general
link: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3710220737
Summary:
-Short flashback of Shin rushing to the scene on his horse from the second floor of a building beside the corridor, before jumping down to save You despite his injury.
-After dealing with the first rider, he knocked the next few down from their horses, including Hanoki's son. On foot, he defeated the rebels easily and cut off Hanoki's son's arm.
-The rest of HSU arrived from the distance while the rest of the rebels abandoned their commander and fled.
-We were told that Denyuu is just injured and out of action but definitely will not die.
-Shin explained that they found Hanoki's son because of the huge number of dead bodies that they left during their advance as they killed everyone in sight on their way to the harem.
-When Hanoki's son tried to compare his actions of killing innocent people to Shin's killings in the battlefield, Shin just gave him a punch to the face and warned him against it.
-Shin decided not to kill him as he wanted to capture all the rebel commanders alive so that they can be help testify Ryofui's crimes after the war.
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Kingdom is actually my favorite empowering character growth manga. Dunno why but Shin picking up Ei Sei's daughter really pleased me, I mean we've seen him come so far from being this brat not much older than her and now he is all cool uncle figure.
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Kingdom is actually my favorite empowering character growth manga. Dunno why but Shin picking up Ei Sei's daughter really pleased me, I mean we've seen him come so far from being this brat not much older than her and now he is all cool uncle figure.
"Now imma give you a piggy back ride while I horrendously maim some rebels"
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Is Kanki somewhere else?
Didn't see that magnificent son of a bitch since the Coallition Army fight.I think the last time we saw him in person was right after Hakurou died, if i remember correctly he was lighting candles or something…
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Is Kanki somewhere else?
Didn't see that magnificent son of a bitch since the Coallition Army fight.Well, they are all on the borders.
And let's be honest, their time to shine will come. Tou, Ousen, Kanki… their greatest campaigns did not happen yet.
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That punch by Shin felt so good, pretty much wrecked that guy.
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The new chapter looks absolutely brilliant!
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Summary courtesy of king magax of MF forums:
! Ch430: The horn of salvationlink: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3742228381
Summary:
-Chapter starts with Shin and co. hiding in a building in order to keep the palace maidens and princess safe. Shin left 2 of his lieutenants there to protect the girls and decides to join the battle outside Kanyou as the battle there is the deciding battle to this war.
-Meanwhile just outside Kanyou, the Qin forces and the rebels are still fighting. The Qin forces are losing but Ten refuses to retreat even if it means total annihilation of the Qin forces as they are the only road block between the main bulk of the rebel forces and the entrance to Kanyou now.
-Ten knows that there are only 2 ways for them to win, either they enter Kanyou and defend the city from the inside or they have kill the enemy commander. The rebels are very clear about this and therefore have plenty of soldiers defending the gates and have their commander at the back of the formation.
-Just as the Qin forces were losing, a loud horn sounded and could be heard all over Kanyou.
-The reinforcements brought by SBK and SHk had finally arrived.
-Against the enemy forces of 30000, SBK and SHK brought only about 1000 men. Despite being outnumbered, they charged down the slopes from the back of the rebel forces. (reminds me of the scene from LOTR movie where Eomer arrived at dawn in the Battle of Helms Deep.)
-SBK knows SHK as a tactician not a warrior and therefore is curious how he will perform in the battlefield as a combat general.
-When SBK was worried about SHK's safety when he charged into the enemy formation head on, Kaioku tells SBK that when SHK was young, he was even stronger than Moubu so there is nothing to worry.
-Indeed, SHK broke through the enemy formation in one strike and orders Kaioku to go for the head of Juuteki while SBK was still stunned by SHK's power.
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Summary courtesy of king magax of MF forums:
! Ch430: The horn of salvationlink: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3742228381
Summary:
-Chapter starts with Shin and co. hiding in a building in order to keep the palace maidens and princess safe. Shin left 2 of his lieutenants there to protect the girls and decides to join the battle outside Kanyou as the battle there is the deciding battle to this war.
-Meanwhile just outside Kanyou, the Qin forces and the rebels are still fighting. The Qin forces are losing but Ten refuses to retreat even if it means total annihilation of the Qin forces as they are the only road block between the main bulk of the rebel forces and the entrance to Kanyou now.
-Ten knows that there are only 2 ways for them to win, either they enter Kanyou and defend the city from the inside or they have kill the enemy commander. The rebels are very clear about this and therefore have plenty of soldiers defending the gates and have their commander at the back of the formation.
-Just as the Qin forces were losing, a loud horn sounded and could be heard all over Kanyou.
-The reinforcements brought by SBK and SHk had finally arrived.
-Against the enemy forces of 30000, SBK and SHK brought only about 1000 men. Despite being outnumbered, they charged down the slopes from the back of the rebel forces. (reminds me of the scene from LOTR movie where Eomer arrived at dawn in the Battle of Helms Deep.)
-SBK knows SHK as a tactician not a warrior and therefore is curious how he will perform in the battlefield as a combat general.
-When SBK was worried about SHK's safety when he charged into the enemy formation head on, Kaioku tells SBK that when SHK was young, he was even stronger than Moubu so there is nothing to worry.
-Indeed, SHK broke through the enemy formation in one strike and orders Kaioku to go for the head of Juuteki while SBK was still stunned by SHK's power.! SHK hype train is leaving the station
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! Shou Shou !
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Well he has 89 STR according to the stats, so he's decent.
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I didn't knew Shou was not young.
Might missed that at some point.
