One thing I loveed about this is that Zoro has been thinking about the falling stones and "ordered" to use King Punch against it.
Awesome. The rest was a typical post TS Zoro chapter… I still hope that at Wano Zoro finally gets a struggling fight as pre skip
no wonder if zoro is too strong after time skip.. that's because he train with mihawk..
i think only zoro on straw hat is ready to fight yonkou..
i think only zoro on straw hat is ready to fight yonkou..
What about his clash with Fujitora?
I would love to see Isshou's reaction to what Zoro just did.
what about the 9 mountains 8 seas stuff?
I would love to see Isshou's reaction to what Zoro just did.
Poker face? :ninja:
(While sweating.)
I'm kind of amazed. The moment I saw Orlumbus, I realized our blunder. Nobody guessed it would be him.
Also, first time we saw Hardened swords in OP. That clears the debate.
Bye Pica, you stayed on your feet for way too long. Nice job with that full body Hardening! Good riddance.
Not much of a fan of 9 mountains and 8 seas crap. I liked Zoro better when he wasn't a poet.
What frustrate me more is lack of tension in this arc.
Tell me when was the last time you genuinely felt tension in this arc?
Doflamingo not being strongest in his own arc killed all the tension of the arc.
When he used Birdcage only thing going through my mind was why in the name everything holy Issho or Sabo not tearing it down ?
Don't give me bullshit that you can't break it without defeating DD. It would be no limit fallacy otherwise.
There is nothing stopping Issho to destroy Birdcage and put all the blame on Luffy . All he has to do is lie .
For someone who claimed to be worrying about normal citizens safety Issho sure did jack shit .
And what more Issho and Sabo both are on Luffy's side now.
How the hell I am supposed to feel threatened by Doflamingo when those two monstrously strong people are there backing Luffy up?
All Executives and Seats were lackluster. Every single fight ended with one shot. They feel underwhelming for the hype they have received at the start of arc.
Kyros vs Diamante was abomination with Diamante's strongest attack getting blocked by 'flowers' of all things and Pica didn't manage to even scratch Zoro.
I am not asking him to give Zoro fight of his life time but he should have been atleast be a competent fighter. He looked like total looser.
Oda made mistake by introducing so many characters in single arc which resulted them dragging arc which in turn resulted in sub par quality fights with poor execution.
Luffy is acting like moron with Bellamy and Zoro is generic bland badass
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This arc had so much potential to be greatest but it is just a mess right now.
Zoro's haki is on some other shit.
BTW, did Jinbe find a glyph?
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
no wonder if zoro is too strong after time skip.. that's because he train with mihawk..
i think only zoro on straw hat is ready to fight yonkou..
He trained and listened to Mihawk's poetry readings, apparently.
Glad to see you're not jumping to conclusions based on one attack.:ninja:
@Galaxy:
Yes, it's a poneglyph.
As if I needed another reason to ship Robin and Jinbe.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
@Joy:
what about the 9 mountains 8 seas stuff?
It's basically the cosmos in the world of Buddhism. The less you know about it the more you'll feel like you know.
When he used Birdcage only thing going through my mind was why in the name everything holy Issho or Sabo not tearing it down ?
Don't give me bullshit that you can't break it without defeating DD. It would be no limit fallacy otherwise.
There is nothing stopping Issho to destroy Birdcage and put all the blame on Luffy . All he has to do is lie .
For someone who claimed to be worrying about normal citizens safety Issho sure did jack shit .
Bird cage is not breakable by Issho's meteors. When he brought them down while fighting Sabo, the bird cage shattered them into pieces.
Issho also ordered his men to protect the citizens, and he himself mobilized to do so in the last chapter.
@monster:
in this chapter we understand something fundamental Pica > Vergo as a result: Zoro>>>>>>> Sanji .
end of story
Thats just in coa haki which is zoros specialty and how are you sure picas is better than vergos who depends solely on his haki. dont make random assumptions. The chapter was a good one first time seeing Zoro use coa since the time skip and him visibly using tactics so well in a rushed situation was a new experience for me. He took note of all the powers he witnessed since the fights started (like Orlumbus and Don Sai) and even planned how to take care of the rubble after the fight with Elizabello's king punch even though it was only explained to him. I've seen him do something similar like when he was fighting the dragon and made use of usopps versatile arsenal. I'm just pleased by his growth but I still am not satisfied with this fight Zoro had it way too easy.
@Galaxy:
Bird cage is not breakable by Issho's meteors. When he brought them down while fighting Sabo, the bird cage shattered them into pieces.
Issho also ordered his men to protect the citizens, and he himself mobilized to do so in the last chapter.
To be fair Fujitora has more means of attacking than just dropping meteors. For example, I didn't see him trying to cut through those strings with Haki. No matter how strong or tough they are, there should be a limit.
I imagine Dofla's birdcage isn't something that was made to stop top fighters of the world.
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Thats just in coa haki which is zoros specialty and how are you sure picas is better than vergos who depends solely on his haki. dont make random assumptions. The chapter was a good one first time seeing Zoro use coa since the time skip and him visibly using tactics so well in a rushed situation was a new experience for me. He took note of all the powers he witnessed since the fights started (like Orlumbus and Don Sai) and even planned how to take care of the rubble after the fight with Elizabello's king punch even though it was only explained to him. I've seen him do something similar like when he was fighting the dragon and made use of usopps versatile arsenal. I'm just pleased by his growth but I still am not satisfied with this fight Zoro had it way too easy.
Also, the blades. If a blade can cut through meat, then a Haki blade should be able to cut through Haki meat, unless Haki of said meat is many times stronger than the Haki of said blade.
Yeah, I remember someone calling it a waste of a cover story or something, last week. It's like Oda read it and just casually inserted main storyline into it. "Oh yeah, there was this thing in the ruins…" Lmao
I hope that Whale Shark bubble means he's getting the hell outta Dodge. I want him to meet up with Sanji and them already, who it seems like we haven't seen in forever.
@Galaxy:
Bird cage is not breakable by Issho's meteors. When he brought them down while fighting Sabo, the bird cage shattered them into pieces.
Issho also ordered his men to protect the citizens, and he himself mobilized to do so in the last chapter.
A) Issho has more ways of attack then just meteors. If anything, they seem to be fairly basic thing for him to do.
B) Issho has been sitting on his ass for 17 chapters straight and only moved because plot required him to not be around to protect Riku for Zoro to have his big moment. You do not get to use this argument about protecting citizens when he could be doing so much more.
A) Issho has more ways of attack then just meteors. If anything, they seem to be fairly basic thing for him to do.
B) Issho has been sitting on his ass for 17 chapters straight and only moved because plot required him to not be around to protect Riku for Zoro to have his big moment. You do not get to use this argument about protecting citizens when he could be doing so much more.
The impact of a meteor from space being unable to destroy the bird cage shows just how formidable it is.
And you're really counting the flashback as part of Issho's standby? Keep in mind this is mere minutes in series time, so the amount of chapters doesn't matter.
Ugh. Don't even…
The ruination of Fujitora is the biggest pain of this arc for me. And I've had such high hopes for him too!
I'm tired of setup. I want pay off. I feel as if I am treated like an idiot, to whom you need to say the same things over, and over, and over again. And I don't like it.
You say the same things over, and over, and over again. So action-reaction.. Its not time yet for Admirals in all out fights and being active part of core plot. I expect one of next arcs with Kizaru to be first one when Admiral gets role of villain.
@Galaxy:
The impact of a meteor from space being unable to destroy the bird cage shows just how formidable it is.
And you're really counting the flashback as part of Issho's standby? Keep in mind this is mere minutes in series time, so the amount of chapters doesn't matter.
It's not why the meteor was cut. The meteor was cut because the string is thin and sharp. It's speed just helped the string cut it. That's why, if anyone was going to get rid of the cage, they should try with a sharp blade, instead of a big round boulder, burning or not.
Its not time yet for Admirals in all out fights and being active part of core plot. I expect one of next arcs with Kizaru to be first one when Admiral gets role of villain.
Then why include them?
You do not need him to be present just for the setup, you know? You don't need setup to be two hundred chapters long.
It's not time? Funny how that always gets contrived with you. It seems that you have come from the stance that whatever Oda planned is impeccable, and thus is always right.
How can I argue about story structure with you if you already decided that it is right?
I imagine Dofla's birdcage isn't something that was made to stop top fighters of the world.
I don't know, birdcage could easily be indestructible to everyone, but then, if Doffy were to use it in a situation against the true top-tiers, he'd be caging himself in. And as we've seen from his reactions about Kaido, Doffy's not on the same level as Yonkou's and the like.
Yooooo! that was too epic man. Fuck.
Got to love those silent-yet-dangerous characters.
Imagine if Isshou and Gedatsu engaged in a conversation, it would be quite…peculiar.
Then why include them?
You do not need him to be present just for the setup, you know? You don't need setup to be two hundred chapters long.
It's not time? Funny how that always gets contrived with you. It seems that you have come from the stance that whatever Oda planned is impeccable, and thus is always right.
I'd say Issho's "demolition of the Warlord System" plan is a pretty good reason for him to be present here, yes.
Yeah, I remember someone calling it a waste of a cover story or something, last week. It's like Oda read it and just casually inserted main storyline into it. "Oh yeah, there was this thing in the ruins…" Lmao
Or you know, he was building up to this very scene because poneglyphs are found in ruins (from what we've been presented so far, anyway).
"Yes, I'm only bones, but that's because I have an interest… in dieting."
-Gentleman Skeleton Brook
@Galaxy:
The impact of a meteor from space being unable to destroy the bird cage shows just how formidable it is.
No, it show us it is well made against blunt force.
It does not explain why didn't anyone try cutting it yet.
@Galaxy:
And you're really counting the flashback as part of Issho's standby? Keep in mind this is mere minutes in series time, so the amount of chapters doesn't matter.
Minutes? Now this is interesting, since you have implied earlier entire fights took place off-screne during that time.
Unless everyone teleports, he has been sitting there for significant time. That Oda doesn't show it, as per your usual argument, means nothing.
Or you know, he was building up to this very scene because poneglyphs are found in ruins.
When I say "It's like", it doesn't mean I really think that's what happened. Believe it or not, I don't think Oda reads our chapter discussion threads.
@Galaxy:
I'd say Issho's "demolition of the Warlord System" plan is a pretty good reason for him to be present here, yes.
It has no impact on the plot, since that very plan requires, in some contrived idiotic way, of him to do nothing.
You can't argue the plan required for him to be present, when it is this very plan that makes him do nothing. It is not a good reason.
Minutes? Now this is interesting, since you have implied earlier entire fights took place off-screne during that time.
Seems you've misunderstood. From the beginning of the flashback to these finishers, it's literally been minutes, yes. Off screen unfocused panel based stuff was happening in the 750-760 range.
He used CoA to cut Monet's cheek.
Yeah but they didn't dramatise it with the vulcanization effect that makes the body go black, its like he only did that to show his potential threat and reinforced her fear of him with the next move without hurting her.
… The art was good.
Though the fact that the answer to the problem was once again "Cut it more" is somewhat disappointing.
Meh... I refuse to speak about the chapter futher, I will get frustrated again. Zoro's part was passable. The fight itself was somewhat disappointing, though as I said, the art was good. And King Riku pisses me off, but that's nothing news worthy.
Also, we just killed thousands of innocent civilians by pushing the entire rubble from Pica over the city. Yay!
At least he's agreed that he isn't fit to be King.
what would you have expected for the conclusion of Zoro's fight? because you know Luffy's solution will be to just punch doflamingo a lot.
Also there is a marine admiral down there who can manipulate Gravity. So don't worry no one will die from the rubble.
It has no impact on the plot, since that very plan requires, in some contrived idiotic way, of him to do nothing.
You can't argue the plan required for him to be present, when it is this very plan that makes him do nothing. It is not a good reason.
Right… just like all of the setup pre timeskip didn't actually effect anything later?
Just wait for the payoff before you say the current events are for nothing.
poor pica he's haki is just weak compared to zoro!
@Galaxy:
Right… just like all of the setup pre timeskip didn't actually effect anything later?
Just wait for the payoff before you say the current events are for nothing.
A setup itself does not constitute the need for him to be there.
It would be like… if Whitebeard showed up in Water 7, went "Grr, if anybody would hurt my crew I sure be angry!" and then just hang out there for the remainder of the arc doing nothing.
Setup pre-timeskip usually took the form of single chapter placed here and there, major power doing nothing entire arc.
@Galaxy:
Right… just like all of the setup pre timeskip didn't actually effect anything later?
Just wait for the payoff before you say the current events are for nothing.
the actual problem with the current one piece is exacly this: wait. we have been waiting and waiting for something to happen with the excuse of a set up, while in the meantime 1. a set up can be done in an interesting way too 2. it's from fishman island ( aka 4 years) that i keep hearing the word "wait". i mean enough is enough. i understand these 3 arcs are connected and are plot necessary for yonkou wars but still … the same can be applied in this single arc: it's all a wait.
How do i write my own signature? aaah who cares.
zoro continues to be the most op strawhat after the time skip sanji looks like a fodder compared to zoro at this point lol
Well that was pretty awesome :D, cover story was pretty interesting with the Poneglyph.
the actual problem with the current one piece is exacly this: wait. we have been waiting and waiting for something to happen with the excuse of a set up, while in the meantime 1. a set up can be done in an interesting way too 2. it's from fishman island ( aka 4 years) that i keep hearing the word "wait". i mean enough is enough. i understand these 3 arcs are connected and are plot necessary for yonkou wars but still … the same can be applied in this single arc: it's all a wait.
In a week to week comic, you generally have to wait a long while for the setup to pay off fully, yes.
I'm a huge fan of people voluntarily forgetting about Franky, Usopp and Sanji's thrashing. Even Robin ended up pretty f*cked up. Or how Jiolla single-handedly messed up with 3 strawhats without breaking a sweat.
Or how Luffy has had his ass handed to him not one, nor twice, but three times already by Doffy and, in fact? For a while people said how weak Luffy was and that if this was his level, good luck facing Yonkous if that was all he could do. Kind of ironic, in retrospect.
But, lo and behold, Zoro is the only one that's gonna leave the arc unscathed (and he deserved a break after being the biggest blood donor in the East Blue and the Grand Line), and this isn't how the New World was supposed to be, where're the worthy opponents, ad nauseaum et infinitum.
Now, I'm not stupid or blind, I know fully well where these complaints come from, they come from Oda's execution, specially of the climax and the succession of officers being defeated by the chapter. That's why people already signed off the Family as a bunch of weak-sauces, even going as far as putting them at the NFP level. It's in the execution, and it is indeed kinda flawed, possibly formulaic. . .even though Oda has used formulas since day 1 in his manga. The only difference between the way officers have been dealt with and, say, CP9 or BW's agents got offed is just a matter of "time". They got longer fights. But the structure was exactly the same, going one by one in a determinate order, usually leaving Zoro the last fight before it's Luffy's turn to fight the big baddie.
This has been One Piece's arc structure for a while, but here we got 1-tons of characters trying to find their much deserved panel time, 2- less panel time to be shared, 3- secondary characters we just recently met fighting foes that usually went to the rest of the SH's that, this time around, aren't here. This is this arc's variation. And all put together might, and probably DID mess up the overall perception we got from the villain's threat level.
But, again, just remember the way the SH's have been performing during the arc (it also doesn't hurt to go back to those chapter threads and read complaints like Franky being a weakling cause "he couldn't deal with 3 OFFICERS, A VICE ADMIRAL AND 100 MARINES ON HIS OWN", which happened) and how most of them except for Zoro have dealt with either severe injuries or complete defeat at the hands of tricky DF's (Sugar, Giolla).
Not much of a fan of 9 mountains and 8 seas crap. I liked Zoro better when he wasn't a poet.
Zoro's been doing that for a while. He did it before 36 pound cannon, 108 pound cannon and Rashomon, off the top of my head. Probably even more I can't remember right now.
It's buddhist stuff Oda has Zoro recite at random times before unleashing an attack.
@Galaxy:
In a week to week comic, you generally have to wait a long while for the setup to pay off fully, yes.
A) But you are using it as an excuse for why the stuff is bad on week to week basis.
B) This setup of yours is taking more time then every saga made thus far.
A setup itself does not constitute the need for him to be there.
It would be like… if Whitebeard showed up in Water 7, went "Grr, if anybody would hurt my crew I sure be angry!" and then just hang out there for the remainder of the arc doing nothing.
Setup pre-timeskip usually took the form of single chapter placed here and there, major power doing nothing entire arc.
Again, it really is just best to wait in regards to Issho's true intentions. It isn't worth fully debating until the full picture is painted, since we know it's probably something complicated that he's doing.
@Galaxy:
In a week to week comic, you generally have to wait a long while for the setup to pay off fully, yes.
in a week to week comic i'm supposed to be hyped for the next chapter to happen, yes.
Zoro's been doing that for a while. He did it before 36 pound cannon, 108 pound cannon and Rashomon, off the top of my head. Probably even more I can't remember right now.
It's buddhist stuff Oda has Zoro recite at random times before unleashing an attack.
I know, but it doesn't seem like it was emphasized that much before Mihawk's poetry lessons. Or maybe he was just less smug about it earlier so it didn't come off as annoying.
Others took not of it as well. We can't all be wrong.
