! shrugs This is the outcome we were all expecting up until how the fight was played out. I thought it went fine more or less. Takumi will get his day some day. Just not this tourney. We all knew what role Subaru had with Soma in the bigger picture here.
Food Wars - It's In the Trash
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Their battle was serious, its Takumi's personality that nobody takes seriously. His brother said so himself, his brother is a bit of a fluff, but when he cooks he does so seriously. Just like Soma, Takumi lived/worked in a kitchen, as "pros" as they both describe themselves. Also Soma stated "there is someone my age who can do this much" in reference to Takumi's skills. Its not like Takumi was ever a pushover to begin with.
That had to do more with Soma being surprised by their being people that capable in the school. It wasn't because he though Takumi as a rival. Takumi was the one persuing the rivalry. Soma never cared about it.
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That had to do more with Soma being surprised by their being people that capable in the school. It wasn't because he though Takumi as a rival. Takumi was the one persuing the rivalry. Soma never cared about it.
Well not at first, but thats just Soma's nature/personality in disregarding that stuff. Like how Erina keeps trying to antagonize Soma but he just laughs it off.
Right before the match Soma flashbacked to their tie and certainly regarded Takumi as a rival then.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/252716/shokugeki-no-soma_ch75_by_casanova/15
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Soma never cared about it.
I guess people can have different interpretation while reading the same manga. For me a page like that one is a proof that Souma cares.
I think it's just not in Souma's character to declare a rivalry with another student. He probably never will since his rival will always be his father. Every students are just stepping stones on his way to surpass his father. -
! Well, what do you think a climactic duel with Takumi topping off this arc would lead to for their relationship? A win for Soma would do worse for Takumi than Subaru's victory here since that would directly outline the gap in their abilities. A victory for Takumi would turn him into more of an antagonist than a rival and then Takumi would be pushed to the side again as soon as Soma beat him. A tie would be contrived. The stakes for this tourney are pretty high and I don't think any rivalry could really withstand the weight of a battle in this arena. On the other hand, who knows, maybe it could? But there are just as many ways the whole rivalry thing could turn sour if it ever got to the point of a matchup in this tourney. Keep in mind that we still don't know what's going to happen with the Subaru plot. For all we know, Soma might lose, too, and that would put him on equal grounds with Takumi again. The whole 'rivalry is ruined forever' crowd is just being very speculative and hung up on just a small piece of the story.
! I still think it's really early to have complaints about character hype and introductions. This is kind of the point in the story when that stuff is supposed to be happening. Honestly, I was relieved that a never before seen character got to the next stage of the tourney, because it would have been a bit more realistic than having only Soma's acquaintances and their acquaintances take up all the top spots in his class. That would have been the easy thing to do. The cooking academy is huge and we've only seen a really small portion of it, so it's only natural that there are talents we have yet to uncover. Granted Mimasaka's talent is kind of a gimmick, he still broadens the scope of what defines the best at Tootsuki.
! I agree that the story can't sustain being focused on Soma's every day struggle and needs more of an emotional anchor, which is exactly what this tourney's been building. This isn't where the of it all starts bearing down, this is the point when characters are starting to be built up. This is where the characters of the story are being showcased. Their strengths, weaknesses, motivations and personalities are really being put on display for the first time. What we learn about the characters in this arc is what's going to start getting us invested in them in later arcs. There are a lot more pieces in play now and we're learning how they move. Just because one's been taken off the board for now, though, doesn't mean they're out of the game.
! It's not like I know for sure that this arc and its impact will be handled well, but I don't think we've been given any valid reason to think that it won't be. I think that your complaints and the other complaints I've seen are all either speculative in nature or things that can't really be verified as bad until we've started seeing their impacts, especially considering how well the stories been trying to keep loss and growth in perspective. Hell, loss and growth might as well be the story's theme, since that's basically the premise of Soma's character.! First let's talk about "speculative". Yes it's all speculative like everything when you try to discuss anything that could happen in the future. I don't see that as a invalidating factor when discussing this stuff. What's important is trying to establish the starting points and why someone would think that this will turn out a certain way in the future. So yeah if any correlations weren't clear tell me I'll try to clarify why my perspective of potential future events is more pessimistic.
! And now to the points, it would show everyone that these two can stand in the same arena. Win or lose wouldn't matter you handle that duel in a manner that makes it very clear that victory was achieved by a hairs breath by either side it wouldn't matter. What matters is those two fight on the same level that's what establishes their rivalry. I mean as it is right now we have a prime example here of someone that pretty much only takes Takumi as a joke and arguably being a bit on the extreme end with that stance.
! You say the stakes for the tourney are pretty high, but it feels like you're putting it way too high? You make it sound like if either of them loses it would create an unbridgeable rift between the two? When I look at the aftermath of the current losers for now I don't see it. What matters is the how the duel is handled. But sure I agree that if Soma loses to Subaru it would put them on the same level again.
! You see for me that point was right before the prelims with that huge array of introductions, telling us these are the main players of the first year. Then we went into the prelims giving us this taste of what everyone is like and since then there hasn't been much beyond that except for Soma and Megumi.
! Right now it feels very much like fishman island to me, we have this tease of all these potentially great characters(for the fishman island example it's the great locations) before the election arc, but the tournament is moving more and more forward and has given us very little for all those potentially great side characters. Instead it shifted focus away again and again to issues that were promptly introduced.
! So yeah I'm more on the pessimistic side of things right now.
But like I said it still could turn out great in the end, but with the current setup it doesn't feel that way.
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I guess people can have different interpretation while reading the same manga. For me a page like that one is a proof that Souma cares.
I think it's just not in Souma's character to declare a rivalry with another student. He probably never will since his rival will always be his father. Every students are just stepping stones on his way to surpass his father.He cares as in encouraging him as shown in the panel so that he doesn't lose his next match. The next page has Takumi blushing from what he said. Soma doesn't really see him an actual rival. Like you said, his goal is surpassing his father. And as I've always been saying, Takumi was the one that brought that up. Soma then reacted with a pep talk speech about don't lose until we face each other.
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Well, that's one way to see that scene… Do you really think that Souma considers himself superior to Takumi and just played along his rivalry obsession to cheer him ?
Anyway, I don't think Souma will ever declare anyone as his chosen rival. So, that debate will lead nowhere.
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The thing that throws it off as being a super serious rival declaration scene is the part after where Takumi is blushing on the next page saying "Yeah…yeah of course!...Yukihara" then waving him goodbye with a big grin on his face. It shows that what Soma said made Takumi happy aka cheered him on. If that scene wasn't there I would be argeeing with you guys.
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Well, I don't think Souma will ever have a "super serious" rivalry with another student.
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! First let's talk about "speculative". Yes it's all speculative like everything when you try to discuss anything that could happen in the future. I don't see that as a invalidating factor when discussing this stuff. What's important is trying to establish the starting points and why someone would think that this will turn out a certain way in the future. So yeah if any correlations weren't clear tell me I'll try to clarify why my perspective of potential future events is more pessimistic.
! And now to the points, it would show everyone that these two can stand in the same arena. Win or lose wouldn't matter you handle that duel in a manner that makes it very clear that victory was achieved by a hairs breath by either side it wouldn't matter. What matters is those two fight on the same level that's what establishes their rivalry. I mean as it is right now we have a prime example here of someone that pretty much only takes Takumi as a joke and arguably being a bit on the extreme end with that stance.
! You say the stakes for the tourney are pretty high, but it feels like you're putting it way too high? You make it sound like if either of them loses it would create an unbridgeable rift between the two? When I look at the aftermath of the current losers for now I don't see it. What matters is the how the duel is handled. But sure I agree that if Soma loses to Subaru it would put them on the same level again.
! You see for me that point was right before the prelims with that huge array of introductions, telling us these are the main players of the first year. Then we went into the prelims giving us this taste of what everyone is like and since then there hasn't been much beyond that except for Soma and Megumi.
! Right now it feels very much like fishman island to me, we have this tease of all these potentially great characters(for the fishman island example it's the great locations) before the election arc, but the tournament is moving more and more forward and has given us very little for all those potentially great side characters. Instead it shifted focus away again and again to issues that were promptly introduced.
! So yeah I'm more on the pessimistic side of things right now.
But like I said it still could turn out great in the end, but with the current setup it doesn't feel that way.
Sorry if I missed points, highlight things again that I should try to go into, I'm multitasking a bit right now and failing probably.Whatevs if you miss points. The conversation's fun, regardless, haha.
! On the speculative stuff, you can land wherever you want, but I think it's silly to do it if it makes you enjoy the series less.
! It's not that I think the stakes are insanely high, but if Soma vs. Takumi was the final battle, then they are from a narrative standpoint. Wherever Soma lands in this competition has a big impact on where the story goes next. From that point of view, if Soma won against Takumi in this hypothetical finale, then the gap could be pretty huge. It would mean Soma joining the elites and the story drifting away from Takumi after giving him a spotlight. Hell, after that, the author could just consider that loose end tied up and forget it altogether (only if he was that bad, which I doubt). Granted this is all insanely speculative on my part, too, but I'm trying to show just how possibly this whole direction people wanted to see the tourney go in could be just as bad as the one they fear it's heading.
! As for the numerous character introductions, I think it all remains to be seen. Just because some people were downed early doesn't make them completely irrelevant. Look at Ikumi, who was knocked down a peg after her confrontation with Soma but, due to the nature of her specialty and continued friendship with Soma, was able to get another spotlight in the whole karage thing. Maybe a lot of these characters won't ever be really important, but I wouldn't count them out completely. -
What the hell is up with that laugh?
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One thing I remember wondering was how Eizan's plan was going to "crush" Soma, especially since he got so far in the tournament. I personally think this was a great demonstration.
And quoting myself when Takumi was first introduced.
Afraid Takumi will inevitably go down the role of "can't catch up" like a lot of early rivals tend to do, but that's more my hangups and fears from other manga trends than anything the series has shown.
It's a route I expected the manga to take, and I guess the biggest "issue" I have is the predictability of the manga, but like I've said, predictability doesn't matter as long as it's interesting, which all four matchups were to an extent (even Hayama/Hisako got a funny pickles gag that's used in the forums out of it).
Second, it really depends on how the next few chapters are written, but I don't see think as the end of Takumi at all. I'm looking forward to seeing where the series takes Takumi's character arc from here with this extensive loss.
Third, even though a lot of people called Subaru winning, there were still a lot arguing that Takumi could win. Same with Megumi losing even after the "power of friendship" speech. There's still slight twists in the genre being written here. And I'm still enjoying the ride.But what the heck was the theme of the elections?
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Once again, pickling is what decides the match. Obviously, if you're not pickling then you're doing something wrong
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Victory once again goes to the pickles? Snake confirmed for Smash.
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How many more times will that spongebob video be relevant?
Anyway as with Megumi, I hope Soma doesn't take on some sort of hamfisted revenge subplot. A loss is a loss and if anyone is going to need to exact retribution it's Takumi himself. Doubt this is the last of him and there's probably some sort of additional qualifier or unrevealed rule for reentry. Good for Tsukuda for playing a little against expectations though.
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My gut says Shuonen Law will dictate that Soma will avenge Italian guy after he loses to gang dude then go fight tan guy, while angry guy continues being angry.
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I'm thinking Soma might beat him by taking him completely by surprise and preparing a different dish than Subaru expects. Like, Subaru finds a receipt for a bunch of ingredients like he did with Takumi and assumes that it's for the dish he's making, but then Soma does a completely different dish (Probably using ingredients from Polar Star). Although f that does happen, I imagine it won't be intentional. Soma is pretty carefree, so I could see him being frustrated with his initial idea or getting a spark of inspiration at the last second (or both) and coming up with a dish that's very different to what Subaru expects.
On another note, I'm thinking the common theme of the elections might be foods that are typically favorites of children. Only ones that I'm unsure of are ramen and curry but I feel like they'd still fit in Japan
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After quickly rereading the chapters, Subaru's main thing is that he studies the person, not just the ingredients. Given how thorough Subaru is, he must know Soma is all about trying new things and testing new dishes. So it's a question of how good Subaru's analytical skills are.
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After quickly rereading the chapters, Subaru's main thing is that he studies the person, not just the ingredients. Given how thorough Subaru is, he must know Soma is all about trying new things and testing new dishes. So it's a question of how good Subaru's analytical skills are.
To me it's more complex. Because creativity is not predictable. It's like analysis is somehow powerless against creativity. Nor in Physics neither in Math there a rules to infer all the theorems; human predictable powers are limited in every field we know. Of course it's a fictional story, but the author has a pretty good way to solve an eventual duel between Subaru and Soma, by making Subaru knower of all Somas past, and Soma beating him by creating something completely new and unpredictable, despite of the much knowledge he could have about him.
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Now I think a clever work around would be for Soma to beat Subaru with a recipe Takumi developed. Not sure if Soma's pride would allow for that but it's not like a match versus Subaru is fair in the first place.
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Now I think a clever work around would be for Soma to beat Subaru with a recipe Takumi developed. Not sure if Soma's pride would allow for that but it's not like a match versus Subaru is fair in the first place.
All Souma needs to do is manipulate Subaru into creating a similar dish in which he leaves out the pickles, and then Souma puts in the pickles in the final, presented dish. And maybe some olive oil or some italian flair, idk.
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To me it's more complex. Because creativity is not predictable. It's like analysis is somehow powerless against creativity. Nor in Physics neither in Math there a rules to infer all the theorems; human predictable powers are limited in every field we know. Of course it's a fictional story, but the author has a pretty good way to solve an eventual duel between Subaru and Soma, by making Subaru knower of all Somas past, and Soma beating him by creating something completely new and unpredictable, despite of the much knowledge he could have about him.
Soma's gonna win because he's the protagonist, but given Subaru not only showed his hand in this duel so Soma would be prepared, Soma's general unpredictability inherently makes him a hard opponent for Subaru theoretically.
I'm hoping Subaru takes me by surprise and is able to predict Soma, to the extent of believability. No need for him to keep going "All According to Plan", though actually now that I'm typing this, his personality might be an homage to Death Note, right down to the Shinigami imagery. So maybe that could fit after all.
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@Purple:
All Souma needs to do is manipulate Subaru into creating a similar dish in which he leaves out the pickles, and then Souma puts in the pickles in the final, presented dish. And maybe some olive oil or some italian flair, idk.
On the day of the battle, Soma will uncover the prepared dishes to reveal a plateful of pickles for each judge. They dig in and then all simultaneously have a Ratatouille moment. Soma wins by a landslide. Subaru is so shocked he can only complain, "B-but the theme… it was barbecue."
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On the day of the battle, Soma will uncover the prepared dishes to reveal a plateful of pickles for each judge. They dig in and then all simultaneously have a Ratatouille moment. Soma wins by a landslide. Subaru is so shocked he can only complain, "B-but the theme… it was barbecue."
Alternatively, in a change of pace, the theme of the final round will be "pickles". Subaru comes in thinking Soma will use Yukihira-style 'pickled pickles', but Soma will surprise him by doing exactly what he was expecting, "Yukihira-style 'pickled pickles'". Flabberghasted, Subaru accidentally brings his judges "pickled 'pickled pickles'", which is too many orders of magnitude away from the theme, causing his defeat
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Soma's gonna win because he's the protagonist, but given Subaru not only showed his hand in this duel so Soma would be prepared, Soma's general unpredictability inherently makes him a hard opponent for Subaru theoretically.
I'm hoping Subaru takes me by surprise and is able to predict Soma, to the extent of believability. No need for him to keep going "All According to Plan", though actually now that I'm typing this, his personality might be an homage to Death Note, right down to the Shinigami imagery. So maybe that could fit after all.
If you're a contestant and see how Takumi is beaten with Subaru's copy technique, you could be more careful than Takumi in the preparation process; like you will train in a private site and will buy a ton of ingredients but only use a small part of them or whatever other strategy to make your dish much more unpredictable. But that wouldn't be a funny plot to me; on the contrary it'd be much likable if Subaru is beaten at his very own game. To me is fully believable a plot line in which, say, with the same ingredients, you can create two different dishes and that in the middle of the duel, noticing Subaru's dirty game, someone uses the same ingredients in an alternative way that results in a competitive dish. Subaru could be a good introduction to an important concept in cooking like the concept of improvisation.
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Oh come on this is bullshit. Really disappointed by the result. Takumi experiences defeat at the hands of a character who most likely won't be relevant again after the current arc. Great. Just…great.
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Mimasaka wins because he have to fight souma. its an unwritten rule. but i dont think its gonna be on the final, because another match with mimasaka mimicry skills is redundant.
Anyway since this is a shounen, i predict that mimasaka have a dark past and after his defeat with souma, he will "see the light". he will find his groove and became "friends" with the gang. I mean, its not like he's unredeemable.
Now Eizan, thats the real big boss in this arc. Mimasaka is just his lackey. I'm sure he still have a trick or two up his sleeve.
And since this turn into a shokugeki, i'm not surprised if all the matches turn to shokugeki. Or a battle royale. In fact, that would be one way to defeat mimasaka. Its to multiply his opponent. Then he wont know who to stalk. Unless hes been designated as souma-killer by eizan.
i hope the sidestory before the final doesnt take too long. Unless its training time. Which i hope souma's dad comes to visit.
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I'm looking forward to 2 things now : how the mezzaluna's problem will be resolved and how the author can make a second Subaru match interesting.
About the mezzaluna :
That's been my main problem with a Takumi loss and why I believed he could win.
If it wasn't for that, I could have accepted his loss much better for plot reasons.
Right now, I can see a few scenarios from worst to best :- Souma challenges Subaru for it, wins and Takumi accepts it
- Souma challenges Subaru for it, wins and Takumi refuses it and wins it back from Souma after a shokugeki
- Takumi gets it back in a later shokugeki
- Isami gets it back
As you can guess, my belief is that an Aldini should win it back, not an outsider.
About Subaru's second match :
The problem is that his future opponent has been warned which is kinda unfair for Takumi.
Sure, we will be able to use that as an excuse to not make the one who defeats him appear much stronger than Takumi because he would have faced him without the handicaps Takumi had.
But, what would have been really interesting is seeing someone defeats him with the handicaps.
Now, if Souma just have to come to the match with more than one recipe in his mind, that's hardly interesting. -
It's just so odd since Subaru's trick has been "revealed", so keeping the idea fresh/making him still frightening as an opponent will be an interesting challenge. He at least has technical skills outside his mimicking, with a pretty expansive knowledge of cooking since he has no specialty and he's a stickler for details.
It makes me wonder though/coming up with a fanfic theory, who did Subaru stalk and copy to make it past the prelims? Given how down Shun's been acting and how hard he took the loss, there's a part of me that wants to say it was him. It's just odd since the author clearly intended to hide his skills until this match, but if he did copy someone in the prelims you would think it would have been brought up or discussed by everyone earlier.
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Meh, the Mezzaluna can just be won back later by someone else. Now if the consequence was something big as explusion from the school, then there was no way Takumi would lose.
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Nah, Subaru will be taken care of in the semi finals. His copy tech is too gimmicky to be used multiple times. I can see him pulling it off maybe one more time, but 3 copy matches (assuming its semi and finals) would be too much.
As for the future matches, Hayama and Subaru both have personal beef with Soma, so their match ups are more or less guaranteed. Ryou is kinda the dark horse in all of this I feel like. Maybe he might be peeved at Soma defeating Alice, but his "eat or be eaten" mentality about cooks might mean he doesn't care in that way, but then again he is pretty obedient toward her despite that so who knows.
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Ooh I'd love to see Alice's assistant (Kurokiba? I feel like that's his name) crush Subaru. The way Subaru is being portrayed (fantastic drawing at the end of the chapter btw) is truly a diabolic and sadistic one. Seeing that kind of attitude 'eaten' by assistant-kun would be so very satisfying.
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I just read ch 79. To me Subaru predicting the lemon variation was not believable. So I feel that the cooking was sacrificed as the topic of the story for the sake of making Subaru a fearsome contestant; like if the duels are more important than the cooking. That bores me since what I found likable in the story is how a new dish can surpass a great dish, and the answer: "by copying it and surpassing it" is not something I'd buy as good plot. Subaru has been interesting in providing reasons to tell the story of how, in cooking, creativity can surpass a copier like him. I suppose that will be the the final solution if it happens in the next duel of him that he's copying the rival. But if that is the solution why to wait for a new duel, if in this Takumi did it well in creating a new flavor in the middle of adversity? That will be boring, and Takumi was sacrificed as character here. Not that I like him, he's jut average character to me and I prefer Rai, Hayama and many other over him. But the creativity card was well played by him, and so the creativity topic was well treated in the chapter. So it would have been perfect if in the end Takumi's final creativity movement ends beating the copier. But two duels against a copier ending in a final defeat of the copier in the last duel by a new creativity counterattack made by the final rival was unnecessary.
It makes me wonder though/coming up with a fanfic theory, who did Subaru stalk and copy to make it past the prelims? Given how down Shun's been acting and how hard he took the loss, there's a part of me that wants to say it was him. It's just odd since the author clearly intended to hide his skills until this match, but if he did copy someone in the prelims you would think it would have been brought up or discussed by everyone earlier.
Maybe he made a previous copied dish with an small variation.
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i really hope, soma walks up to the black guy in his match, and just asks him what he wants to make, and soma will copy it and make it even better
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To me it was believeable that Subaru "predicted" Takumi would "ovcercome" his copy skills by creating a fourth layer. It just shows that Subaru did his work well and that Takumi is truly an amazing cook to think off so quickly of a new idea while being under huge pressure with so few ingredients. His dish WOULD have won if Subaru had NOT done the lemon stuff he explained about. As the judges said it was by a "small margain" that Subaru won.
I find it interesting how Takumi did overcome his own recepit, made it even better than before using a non-italian cuisine yet making it his own creation with an italiano touch. And this just makes it even more impressive that Subaru did not lay easy on his copy skills by simply making a much better cake but also taking into account of Takumi's skills and personality and use those to his advanatge as "a possibility that he might create something amazing which I have to counter else I will lose.". And if Takumi could have not thought of it under this pressure or whatever reason then Subaru would still have won due having better cakey.Subaru seems more like a psychologist than a cook to me and I think this is were his next match might shine in as well. Trying to find out his opponent's weakness, exploit them, use them to his advantage while making it look like his "copy" skills are the one thing that got him victory while in truth it was him understanding Takumi to the point of "being in Takumi's shoes".
Which actually does speak for a sensetive and empathic character in Subaru's personality as if he would be only a huge asshole with amazing copycat cooking skills he would not care much about what Takumi would think or act or belittle his talents. And that would also fit him being so careful with his bike or his name sticking work on his jacket and such. Ofc that would clash with how he treats his opponents afterwards the battles, his cruelty and his joy in seeing his opponents being broken by defeat and lose of what they sacred a lot. So I expect a "dark background story" for Subaru as well though I do not think he gonna join Souma's friend harem anytime soon after this battle.@Purple:
Once again, pickling is what decides the match. Obviously, if you're not pickling then you're doing something wrong
Also never wear a white cook uniform correctly. So far everybody who had a cook uniform on lost to the guy who didn't wear it properly or any at all. In other words, uniforms sucks! XDDD
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@James:
Also never wear a white cook uniform correctly. So far everybody who had a cook uniform on lost to the guy who didn't wear it properly or any at all. In other words, uniforms sucks! XDDD
Actually, they're all wearing uniforms from their respectable restaurant. Only the fodders appear generic. Souma is using the same clothes as in chapter 1. houju wears a chinese dress cause shes from a chinese restaurant, even though she lost. And kurokiba uses his cooking uniform from his portside bistro flashback. Mimasaka is in casual mode, but thats because he's not a kitchen chef but a battle chef.
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Actually, they're all wearing uniforms from their respectable restaurant. Only the fodders appear generic. Souma is using the same clothes as in chapter 1. houju wears a chinese dress cause shes from a chinese restaurant, even though she lost. And kurokiba uses his cooking uniform from his portside bistro flashback. Mimasaka is in casual mode, but thats because he's not a kitchen chef but a battle chef.
James Rye is trying to say that during the quarterfinals, everybody that loss wore that generic white uniform. That's a nice little detail if it was intentional. Guess that goes to show: don't wear the
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I had no problem with Subaru beating Takumi, but how? I don't understand what Subaru did and how its relevant to the olive oil, can someone explain?
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Gang guy won?
Shonen Law strikes again. You don't introduce a character like gang guy to only be completely destroyed by Italian Yamcha. So now Soma will face him to "avenge" his "rival" and the series will continue on
Predicable manga is Predictable.
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Gang guy won?
Shonen Law strikes again. You don't introduce a character like gang guy to only be completely destroyed by Italian Yamcha. So now Soma will face him to "avenge" his "rival" and the series will continue on
Predicable manga is Predictable.
Conversation law, starting every post of yours with shonen law makes you sound like a twat. I doesn't give anything you say more gravitas nor credibility.
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Conversation law, starting every post of yours with shonen law makes you sound like a twat. I doesn't give anything you say more gravitas nor credibility.
~cranky shit poster fighting shit post with shit posting.True that.
But it is funny when talking about this series, which despite being enjoyable, is so bloody by the book it is actually interesting to see if I can predict the outcome of every scenario.
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So, tell us what will happen to the mezzaluna according to that infallible "shonen law" ?
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Remember when Infallible Shonen Law was predicting "Either Mimisaka will win or Mimisaka will lose?"
Those were the good ol' days
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So, tell us what will happen to the mezzaluna according to that infallible "shonen law" ?
I believe Shonen Law dictates that the mezzaluna will be returned to Italian guy, but he will take it back, but suffer a great crisis of confidence, leading to a drop in his skills, only to be brought back from the bink of expulsion and or defeat by either his brother, or Soma.
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James Rye is trying to say that during the quarterfinals, everybody that loss wore that generic white uniform. That's a nice little detail if it was intentional. Guess that goes to show: don't wear the
redwhite shirt in the cooking arena.Yeah, sorry. Should have been more clear what kinda white uniform I was talking about. Thanks for explaining in my stead.^^
I had no problem with Subaru beating Takumi, but how? I don't understand what Subaru did and how its relevant to the olive oil, can someone explain?
Subaru did the following:
He expected Takumi's genius to overcome the pressure and be able to create an improved, an even better dish than his, by creating a fourth layer the lemon curd which made his cake better than it ever was. Said 4th layer was made by the few rests of his ingredients he had left, eggs, sugar, lemon leftovers a bit of butter and the olive oil to replace the missing butter amount. However due Subaru expecting that, he encountered Takumi's lemon focus, which Takumi at that time believed was his way out of defeat to victory, by also having an "subtil" focus on his lemons in his desert: The talken about pickled lemons.The judges couldn't had quite tasted that "hidden" taste however as long as they did not had something to compare it to. Once they tasted Takumi's desert and were breathtaken by his lemon taste, they tasted Subaru's again and then noticed "eh, this tastes just as good in lemon than the other desert albeit more subtil". Thus Takumi's focus was taken down as Subaru has not only made the better cake flavor but also countered the lemon taste with his own improvement causing Takumi's defeat.
The olvie oil plays a part as it being a memory of their father and family home in italy, it was their lucky charm. Takumi also took it with him on his contests, obviously Subaru knew about it yet at that moment Takumi had to use it hoping that SUbaru had overtaken himself by only improving the desert Takumi had planned and not taking into account that Takumi might find a way to improve his desert in a matter of minutes.
But Takumi did found a way to improve his dish with exact that olive oil and Subaru had totally foreseen that thus being able to turn Takumi's improvement into a humilitation.Still, what Takumi did there was amazing. It was just even more amazing that Subaru had foreseen Takumi's genius and already prepared to counter it.
Hm, I think I explained it more difficulty than it actually is.^^;
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So, all 4 from Block A progresses (along with claims of being the tougher block by students who watched both blocks).
Moving away from Shonen Law debate, let's move to speculation, power levels and battle suitabilities(?).:P
Would Alice have fared better against any of the other Block A opponents in Bento or any other 1/4 final theme? I am not so sure if she is gonna serve sushi with ramen or Sushi burger?
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Would Alice have fared better against any of the other Block A opponents in Bento or any other 1/4 final theme? I am not so sure if she is gonna serve sushi with ramen or Sushi burger?
I have a hard time imagining what Mimisaka would do to counter Alice's superior equipment and her unique way of cooking, other than predicting what she would make.
Oh man, another curb stomp battle. Takumi gets my respect for trying to put up a good fight but Mimisaka shut him down brutally. Since we are on the subject of Shonen law, what would Mimisaka want from Soma? He doesn't seem to have any sentimental kitchen utensils that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Would Alice have fared better against any of the other Block A opponents in Bento or any other 1/4 final theme? I am not so sure if she is gonna serve sushi with ramen or Sushi burger?
Well for the burger I feel like she would of gone something similar to hisako's route and try something gimicky and technical. If Hayama was her opponent though she probably would of lost in impact there.
For the ramen it might have been more of her thing since the process is so complex/technical in the first place she could probably do some interesting things with it. However, if Ryou was her opponent (and he stated he was better than her) she probably would of gotten beat there as well.
The desserts probably would have been the best choice for her. Subuaru probably can't get his hands on her expensive ass equipment to copy, plus the technical side to her cooking is pretty advanced and can't be copied that easily imo. I've seen some of the molecular gastronomy desserts which are really interesting and cool too, and the liquid nitrogen trick would do great there.
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@James:
Subaru did the following:
He expected Takumi's genius to overcome the pressure and be able to create an improved, an even better dish than his, by creating a fourth layer the lemon curd which made his cake better than it ever was. Said 4th layer was made by the few rests of his ingredients he had left, eggs, sugar, lemon leftovers a bit of butter and the olive oil to replace the missing butter amount. However due Subaru expecting that, he encountered Takumi's lemon focus, which Takumi at that time believed was his way out of defeat to victory, by also having an "subtil" focus on his lemons in his desert: The talken about pickled lemons.The judges couldn't had quite tasted that "hidden" taste however as long as they did not had something to compare it to. Once they tasted Takumi's desert and were breathtaken by his lemon taste, they tasted Subaru's again and then noticed "eh, this tastes just as good in lemon than the other desert albeit more subtil". Thus Takumi's focus was taken down as Subaru has not only made the better cake flavor but also countered the lemon taste with his own improvement causing Takumi's defeat.
The olvie oil plays a part as it being a memory of their father and family home in italy, it was their lucky charm. Takumi also took it with him on his contests, obviously Subaru knew about it yet at that moment Takumi had to use it hoping that SUbaru had overtaken himself by only improving the desert Takumi had planned and not taking into account that Takumi might find a way to improve his desert in a matter of minutes.
But Takumi did found a way to improve his dish with exact that olive oil and Subaru had totally foreseen that thus being able to turn Takumi's improvement into a humilitation.Still, what Takumi did there was amazing. It was just even more amazing that Subaru had foreseen Takumi's genius and already prepared to counter it.
Hm, I think I explained it more difficulty than it actually is.^^;
Thanks, that clears everything up! Subaru must actually be quite skilled as a chef himself to pull that off