Congrats to Shima. A delicious chapter once again
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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so I think we just saw a daruma, and a kappa, plus were in a setting that seems straight out of spirited away
my guess is were in the bewitched village of Brunch
I can't wait!!!! I love shintoism so I'm pumped to see how they incorporate that into Toriko's wonderful world of food
EDIT: Oh wait, Kappas are turtles…. not frogs :(
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After spending so long with world building set-up, gazillions of characters and "Epic!" scale conflicts, its so nice to see the story narrow doen focus to the main cast, and their adventures on strange and unpredictable seas.
Yet another excellent One Piece chapter.
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These last three chapters of Toriko have been great. This is how you do a proper brainless fun adventure. Not all that stupid conspiracy garbage and frenetic pacing. Just pick a story and flesh it out.
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@TLC:
Not all that stupid conspiracy garbage and frenetic pacing
OP? Last couple of chapters were lame. I have no idea what shima is doing here. Nothing Shima-like I would say. Me not like. Come on Shima! Since the war it was OP and Toriko for me and now Toriko goes down…even Naruto is better now rage
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Are you being sarcastic? This is the best thing Shima has done in a long time buddy.
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@Devil:
Are you being sarcastic? This is the best thing Shima has done in a long time buddy.
No idea what people do see in those chapters. So no, no sarcasm from my side.
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I see. Well, for me Toriko is clearly at its best when it's all about simple ingredient capturing and fun adventures. But to each its own.
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That's nice. I am not feeling it, hopefully, yet…
Maybe because it feels sooo over the top. Since we went back to chichi, I felt bored. Everything before was nice and awesome. -
Hey, it's Toriko, and we're in Gourmet World, I would be dissappointed if things weren't so over the top :P
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That's nice. I am not feeling it, hopefully, yet…
Maybe because it feels sooo over the top. Since we went back to chichi, I felt bored. Everything before was nice and awesome.Because Jirou using knocking on the world isn't over the top
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I hope we never go back to the conspiracies. Ever. That was easily the worst thing in the entire manga, which already had some pretty non-stellar stuff before that like the 4 beast arc.
All that migraine inducing sequence of surprise character reveals, surprise backstabbing, surprise Blue Neo's with surprise plans, surprise Acacia might be evil's, surprise eclipse plans. . .was totally out of Shima's field, which is over the top, imaginative, wild adventuring in extremely outlandish places with super powered monsters and fun villain designs and abilities in bloody fun and epic battles (not that bore Toriko vs. Starjun snoozefest).
And while the start of the time skip was totally backwards and killed any kind of suspense, once Shima went back to adventure mode, the manga is shining again. And I hope it stays like this for a looooong time.
And since they're such close friends with Oda, I hope he's taking notes and starts planning a good ol' adventure arc for our dear strawhats. One where we might, I don't know, enjoy their fights and adventures, instead of off-paneling them all and leaving them to the highly incompetent anime team to create. . .
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The site is founded on a shared appreciation of One Piece.
These last few Toriko chapters evoke the same thing that hooked quite a lot of us on OP: Straightforward, Grand Adventure. Beefing up your story with countless characters, hyper high-stake conflicts and endless Big Revelations is all well and good, but you can't stay in that mode forever. It's exhausting, and eventually dilutes what should be the bread and butter of the series: Focused and Fun escapades featuring the main characters.
No major players were shown these last few weeks, no world shaping events occured, no huge secrets were revealed. This is good. The manga is finally done hyperventilating, and is cathing its breath. This chapter is no more bad than OPs' chapter 655. -
@The:
The site is founded on a shared appreciation of One Piece.
These last few Toriko chapters evoke the same thing that hooked quite a lot of us on OP: Straightforward, Grand Adventure. Beefing up your story with countless characters, hyper high-stake conflicts and endless Big Revelations is all well and good, but you can't stay in that mode forever. It's exhausting, and eventually dilutes what should be the bread and butter of the series: Focused and Fun escapades featuring the main characters.
No major players were shown these last few weeks, no world shaping events occured, no huge secrets were revealed. This is good. The manga is finally done hyperventilating, and is cathing its breath. This chapter is no more bad than OPs' chapter 655.You just had to remind me of the beginning of Punk Hazard. The much demonized PH arc. The first 10-15 chapters are SO. GOOD. Adventure, fighting, crazy things going on, and fights that (gasp!) could take up to 12-15 pages!
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You guys make it sound Toriko had spent 100 whole chapters casting the adventure feel aside. I know that is always better, but cmon, Four Beast was necessary to explain the later stuff, and the Cooking Fest if you read it again now it's finished it's fairly entertaining and very good, even more so if you include the fight of the disciples and the post-HW destruction. But this is just my opinion.
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I really don't like writing about versus stuff because people tend to get defensive about it but since this thread seems to be going in that direction, what the hell. I'll be the first to admit that One Piece has some of the flaws I bitch about Toriko be it frenetic pacing and focusing too much on grand-scale conspiracies rather than the smaller characters (and honestly, I feel it's only lately that it's been suffering a little because the majority of the current arc didn't really have these problems as much). Here's the thing, One Piece still does it better.
Characters are more fleshed out, the conspiracies are more interesting since they involve big time characters that have been foreshadowed for a long, long time (rather than thrown in out of nowhere in the middle of an arc), arcs have interesting themes outside of getting food, the frenetic pacing is still more coherent (the worst mistep Oda did was the Usopp thing which for me was nowhere near as bad as the Starjun vs Toriko fight which had 80% of it off panelled or the four beast arc where we got promised an epic battle against four monsters which we didn't get then an epic battle against a giant root monster which we didn't get then promised an epic battle against some mastermind we have yet to see), fights are better choreographed, flashbacks are more engaging and Oda is a flat out better story teller who doesn't do stuff like skipping ahead in a time skip to kill any sort of suspense.
That's my opinion on it at any rate, I don't know how many of you are inclined to agree.
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You guys make it sound Toriko had spent 100 whole chapters casting the adventure feel aside
Because it has. Beginning of the four beast arc to three chapters before the current chapter makes almost 70 chapters.
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You just had to remind me of the beginning of Punk Hazard. The much demonized PH arc. The first 10-15 chapters are SO. GOOD. Adventure, fighting, crazy things going on, and fights that (gasp!) could take up to 12-15 pages!
Punk hazard was good throughout. A few missteps here and there and an undeniably better first half but that arc was solid with a great ending. But then I like a lot of the stuff most people hate like Tashigi and Zoro vs Monet, Luffy vs Caeser round 3 and Law slicing Vergo and the island in half.
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@TLC:
Punk hazard was good throughout. A few missteps here and there and an undeniably better first but that arc was solid with a great ending.
Oh, I love the arc, probably one of the few who honestly does. I just think the start of that arc is the absolute best thing Oda has done since the time skip, even better than the Colosseum bits of Dressrosa, which are a close second.
When people bitched for days to end that "the kids are boring, the running around is boring, the gas is boring, G-5 are boring, bla bla bla", I was actualy enjoying it quite a lot. It honestly felt like Oda was having fun, while I don't see him having that much fun lately, more or less since 734 (the Kamaitachi of Rommel), the last truly fun and creative OP (chapter save for 743 and its lovely chaos).
As for Toriko, while the "Joa appears! No, wait, it's zombie Frohze! And Acacia has a hidden agenda! And everyone goes to Neo!" chapters weren't probably that many, it honestly felt like forever, specially since those chapters had such big pannels and so many reaction faces they went by in a minute or less, so it's like there was nothing else besides "betrayal, conspiracy, etcetera". And Jirou knocking the entire world, but that's another thing.
Before that, the many fights of the bishokukai invasion were kinda hit or miss; Sani vs. Tommy was incredibly good, Buranchi vs. Cyclops guy was pretty awful, Toriko vs. Star was boring (and far too long) and the rest were definitely too short, though I did like some of the carnage going on in there, like the Nitros going apeshit on Livebearer and co (cutting that fucker in half, for example). I think it wasn't that bad, but the ending part hurt it a lot. Oh, and the part with the 0th Biotope guys facing against Bishokukais and Neo guys and Nitros and I don't even know what happened. That was so underwhelming, it felt like an afterthought instead of the epic end-of-an-era confrontation. Almost like a patch work Shima had to do in order to keep the plot going, but he actualy didn't put the heart into it at all.
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The short version of my Punk Hazard opinion is that it had some good ideas and characters that were all underdeveloped and inexpertly prioritized, and was overlong for what it ultimatly was. But thats neither here nor there in this thread.
All I know is, these last few chapters is scratching an OP/Toriko itch I've had for some time.
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The crazy animals and wacky evironments used to be the main appeal of Toriko to me, but this chapter and a few previous, I just kind of felt numb to it. Any chapter that is almost purely a showcase for ridiculous environments and creatures isn't going ot work on me anymore. And while the Cooking Fest arc was extremely flawed on many levels, I liked it overall, if only for the story progression.
Going back to the full course menu creating adventures doesn't immediately pique my interest the way all the shenanigans from the Cooking Fest did, however questionable they may be. I realize that Acacia's full course subplots will probably tie into Neo, the Bishokukai, the Eclipse, and other mysteries in one way or another, but as of now, you can count me in with the few that are bored.
It doesn't really help that I am pretty indifferent towards Toriko and the other 3 Kings, and am much more interested in the antagonist groups(if only for character designs and intrigue). So with the appeal of the wacky evironments/animals worn off, and not being invested in the characters, these inbetween chapters aren't going to do much for me. So I can only hope that the "Air" subplot is as entertaining as the Gourmet Casino, and wait until more endgame plot heavy stuff is addressed. But it looks like I'm in the minority on that front
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I'm enjoying both OP and Toriko thoroughly. I guess that makes me the winner.
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I just hope he's not Air.
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I'll feel bad for the poor frog if it turns out he'll have to be eaten.
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@Devil:
I'll feel bad for the poor frog if it turns out he'll have to be eaten.
You know, in the real world, we only eat the frogs' legs. So if Toriko and Coco have to eat him, they'll eat his legs only and leave the poor sucker crippled for life, in the Gourmet World no less.
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Why would he need legs when he's always sitting ?
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Yes .
That's impressive, I imagine that sitting without reclining on anything or having your legs for balance would be hard.
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Probably, but regardless legless people sit down and utilize wheelchairs normally. We definitely got off topic here.
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Back on topic, whenever I read Toriko I get hungry, but not for frog legs...
In fact, I can't read Toriko without eating something immediately before, after, or during. Is that bad?
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In fact, I can't read Toriko without eating something immediately before, after, or during. Is that bad?
That's not bad but I do miss the days when that happened to me. Now the monsters that Shima draws look too grotesque for me to get hungry.
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Hmmm…maybe it's because I just associate Toriko with food.
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i feel the best way to enjoy Toriko is to have zero investment in it, your not going to get satisfying pay off with most things. Thats just the type of series it is, a slightly above average shonen battle/adventure manga. Its flaws are somewhat inherent in the genre.
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i feel the best way to enjoy Toriko is to have zero investment in it, your not going to get satisfying pay off with most things. Thats just the type of series it is, a slightly above average shonen battle/adventure manga. Its flaws are somewhat inherent in the genre.
I think you just need to adapt
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I think it's one of those series that needs to be taken in at a decent pace to be fully enjoyable. When I was catching up with the manga a few years ago, I remember enjoying it so much. Mainly because I could read as much as I wanted and stop whenever I wanted. That momentum slowed down once I began reading it weekly, but my enthusiasm for the series hasn't lessoned until just recently.
As others have posted, I think the series is at its best when the characters set off into the unknown looking for a new ingredient, and the monsters or villains they encounter on that journey are just the icing on the cake. But we haven't had that for quite a while now, so I can see the reasons behind other's posts too. Hopefully once this arc lands on it's feet and starts picking things up it'll regain that strong Toriko charm that makes us all keep coming back for more every week.
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Spoilers: http://www.mangabird.com/toriko-275
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Lol, loving the frog's faces. Also where did those mini invite deaths come from?
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! The frog (fake one, this is not the real frog Toriko met in that sea) said something that sums up Gourmet World in its whole.
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It's not being mentioned enough, but Shima is a seriously good artist. You may not be a fan of his body builds and faces, but whenever the guys does these close-up shots you can see just how much work he puts in
! The part with the frog slowly decaying looks fantastic as well the creatures surrounding Toriko and Coco, genuinely creepy. Gourmet World is still going strong
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And another good one!
The perfectly sentient and true-to-the-source-material poison dolls are overpowered as all hell, but I kinda liked them anyways.
Those old guy faced enemies look creepy as hell, btw.
Keep it up, Shima.
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I'm still digging the adventure feel, but maaan did Cocos abilities go overboard this chapter. "It was a log all along!" never seems to fully make sense;
For instance, How did Capture-level laser bounce from Toriko to the clone and back? If it was clones all along, does that mean that the conversation at the restaurant may as well not have happened?Ehhh, this is handwavey "its Toriko, just go with it stuff" but the implications of Cocos ability to give life creeps me the fuck out. I mean, these dolls appear fully sentient, yet have ridiculously short life spans. The Toriko doll was so comletely like the real Toriko that I'm not even sure it knew it was a doll! Thats…kind of an extremely gruesome ability.
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Yeah, the implication seems to be that the Toriko doll was indeed feeling massive amounts of pain. . .that was definitely creepy, yep.
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If the monsters fell that Coco doll had poison how come they didn't fell any poison on the others dolls, considering they are made of poison?
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Poison Dolls are really dumb. How can you make a living being from poison? That's like saying you can make a car out of custard. It makes no sense. Even for Toriko logic, it's nonsensical. I'd like to say at least the rest of the chapter was fine but the entire chapter was those dolls. At least structure wise, it was fine. Coco shows off his new skills and now Toriko steps in. Good pacing too.
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I'm not entirely sure how they switched the laser armlet and how the real Toriko and Coco were hiding at this time. They would either have to switch before he got grabbed and somehow sneak aboard without the hair stuff noticing or switch after by hiding in a mist that their enemies have full control over.
The pesudo-sicence is also very wonky.
Still looking forward to the ugly old men getting beat up.
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Those leeches were disgusting as fuck.
Btw, did Grinpatch die? I somehow completely forgot how Coco escaped after their fight…
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Those leeches were disgusting as fuck.
Btw, did Grinpatch die? I somehow completely forgot how Coco escaped after their fight…
Coco almost died in that fight, and only could get away because his deadliest poison had some effect on Grin who was forced to flee from battle. But he didn't die.
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yeah, poison dolls are really stretching it, even for Toriko.
But those leeches and these monsters, man the art was good and the sense of wonder was still there
btw, did we encounter the first sentient monster? These creatures formed thoughts and spoke to the Toriko and Coco…I think so far this never happened? Thought the Nitro would be the only ones -
Stuff like this make me wonder if there's a civilization living in the stronghold that rhino was carrying in its back.
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@TLC:
Poison Dolls are really dumb. How can you make a living being from poison?
Golems, a staple mythological construct, are really dumb. How can you make a living being from clay?
Really though, I'm not about to try to 'defend this', in the sense of trying to claim that it isn't absolutely ridiculous, but latching onto that one particular point to complain about does come across as a bit much. Nor do I think it's any more out of line, 'power level' wise, than Sunni's ability to evidently just eat entire worlds with his hair, so take that as you will, I guess.