Didn't he send out extensions of his arms or something like that? My memories are foggy, but I'm sure it wasn't like "Abrakadabra, freeze" and the poof.
Well thanks for the correction. Yet it still stands that Kidd's manipulating stuff to and away from himself that he's not directly touching.
I'm still touting Kidd's devil fruit as the strongest and most "broken op" in the entire series. Dude could theoretically stop the electromagnetism that keeps all matter intact. Oda just hasn't realized its full potential yet.
I always thought Enel had more control over lightining than Thor or Electro, Kidd is not gonna be Magneto's OP, he'll be even better.
Can't wait to see Kidd striping all of Franky's metal from his living bones.
It's not the laws of physics that annoy me, it's the fact that his travelling speed would be so much higher than the speed at which the electric impulses in his neurons travel that he could never stop right where he wanted to if he travelled at the speed of light. Not to mention the fact that speed of light is so fast that, if you ever got kicked at that speed, you, well, wouldn't be very alive afterwards.
Now, I'd have absolutely no problems with him being able to travel as fast as a human body would allow him to or to traverse the distance between him and a reflecting object at the speed of light, but since Oda didn't bother to even give us a panel to make that clear I'm calling it bad. And deservedly so. :P
And then there's Law, of course, but Law is already happening during the "bad One Piece" phase so his hax doesn't even need explaining. It's just bad.
For anyone who is actually bothered by Kizaru's use of his powers:
I mean surely if he's made out of light his thoughts also propagate at light speed. So with some forward planning, he would actually stop where he wants to. Not to mention, he normally seems to do that Yata no Kagami thing where he kind of sets up a path, and then follows it. Sooooooo come onnnnnn. And surely he's not actually kicking them at light speed because the moment he connects he's kind mid-phase so he's not quite light or human. Because everyone knows light can;t cause physical damage directly (but it can cause spherical explosions on contact with non-gaseous things because why not). Or if he's going to actually HIT them with light, it must be some kinda laser thing (-> spherical explosions) or haki coated and hence not subject to normal physical law.
And then there's the whole "Well they wouldn't be alive afterwards." Well, they would, because it's One Piece, and you have to be an idiot for something lethal to be able to kill you in One Piece. Unless it's a magma fist through the chest. Oh wait, Ace was an idiot.
One would think that Oda had learned from the past two decades of story writting, right? And he has! Off-paneling stuff that doesn't have to be seen is one of the best things that happened to the series after the time-skip. It was needed to compress arcs that would take multiples years to finish otherwise. Sometimes the crew can not be more than support characters with massive plots and factions with their own amount of characters appearing as right now. So many participants demand panel time, some fall short or are held back a bit, while still furthering the plot somehow. The author is learning from his past mistakes and problems, maybe it's you complaining about stuff, because it just doesn't run as you want it to?
You're very funny.
Can't wait to see Kidd striping all of Franky's metal from his living bones.
isn't franky made of wapol metal now? or was that just the general? my memory is foggy regarding the details…
having said that, would kid's ability have the same affect on wapol metal?
isn't franky made of wapol metal now? or was that just the general? my memory is foggy regarding the details…
having said that, would kid's ability have the same affect on wapol metal?
Who said Wapometal isn't magnetic?
Hell, for all we know, Kid's magnetism can work on any metal because devils and stuff.
Not to mention that Oda doesn't seem to be the kind of person who cares about what types of metal are magnetic or not.
having said that, would kid's ability have the same affect on wapol metal?
Since it's made up, who the hell knows.
My limited knowledge of magnetism suggests that pretty much anything can be affected by magnetism to some extent. It would just be really hard.
But I mean come on if he can stop and repel a cannonball over a pretty short distance at a fair distance from his body who's to say he can't repel tin or something.
isn't franky made of wapol metal now? or was that just the general? my memory is foggy regarding the details…
having said that, would kid's ability have the same affect on wapol metal?
If Law's ability works on Kairouseki then Kidd's works on everything. I mean, Magneto can control Adamantium, imaginary metal harder than any other metals. Wapo meta I'll be easy trick for Kidd.
Since it's made up, who the hell knows.
My limited knowledge of magnetism suggests that pretty much anything can be affected by magnetism to some extent. It would just be really hard.
But I mean come on if he can stop and repel a cannonball over a pretty short distance at a fair distance from his body who's to say he can't repel tin or something.
The true question is: will Luffy fool Kid with a wooden gun?
The true question is: will Luffy fool Kid with a wooden gun?
lol
imagine making a gun out of wood … that would be difficult.
And that's why Usopp is using his sling shot. :)
sometimes if the metal is strong\heavy enough it ends up attracting the magnet instead
Who said Wapometal isn't magnetic?
Hell, for all we know, Kid's magnetism can work on any metal because devils and stuff.
no one did, i was kinda going for what supernova122 said.
and, lol at bolded part.. 
Since it's made up, who the hell knows.
If Law's ability works on Kairouseki then Kidd's works on everything. I mean, Magneto can control Adamantium, imaginary metal harder than any other metals. Wapo meta I'll be easy trick for Kidd.
yeah, but every ability has to have its own drawbacks, so wouldn't it be a smart choice for oda to have wapol metal not as magnetic as others?
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my real question was more towards franky, 'cause i don't remember if it's both him and the general made of it now, or just the general..
yeah, but every ability has to have its own drawbacks, so wouldn't it be a smart choice for oda to have wapol metal not as magnetic as others?
Kid's ability doesn't work on non-metals.
There you go, a drawback.
Kid's ability doesn't work on non-metals.
There you go, a drawback.
well, that's a little obvious. wouldn't he have just insta-crushed that pacifista back on sabaody if that was the case?
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it seems like an SBS type of question.. hopefully someone asks it in the near future.. (about the wapol metal thing)
well, that's a little obvious. wouldn't he have just insta-crushed that pacifista back on sabaody if that was the case?
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it seems like an SBS type of question.. hopefully someone asks it in the near future.. (about the wapol metal thing)
I think He did it, the anime just ruined it all like it always does.
well, that's a little obvious. wouldn't he have just insta-crushed that pacifista back on sabaody if that was the case?
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it seems like an SBS type of question.. hopefully someone asks it in the near future.. (about the wapol metal thing)
Did he knew Kuma was a cyborg?
Or that it wasn't the real Kuma?
So, why should wapometal be magnetic again?
There are metals that have small to non existing reaction to magnetic fields. It's not exactly science fiction. It just depends how deeply Oda has thought about it. Maybe his train of thought went something like this:"It's super hard, bends, it's a memory alloy… Oh and it's not magnetic, suck on that Kid!"
So, why should wapometal be magnetic again?
Why should Wapometal not be magnetic again?
Not that it matters though.
So, why should wapometal be magnetic again?
There are metals that have small to non existing reaction to magnetic fields. It's not exactly science fiction. It just depends how deeply Oda has thought about it. Maybe his train of thought went something like this:"It's super hard, bends, it's a memory alloy… Oh and it's not magnetic, suck on that Kid!"
this is pretty much my thoughts on it, lol.
Why should Wapometal not be magnetic again?
Not that it matters though.
plot convenience, mostly. something shogun franky related.
I dunno where the idea that Wapometal is not magnetic is coming from anyway.
Or why it matters.
So if that's the case, he will have to fight those with his base "metal" hand and now? If it's Pacifista specific it doesn't change much in the end game, does it? Killer should be capable of slicing those up, which makes me wonder when we will finally see the new version and how they will look like. A more slim and slick version, far more durable and with some actual speed aside from super lasers?
Or why it matters.
It really shouldn't unless they will be forming an alliance and his main objective will became to take those out, which is highly unrealistic.
One would think that Oda had learned from the past two decades of story writting, right? And he has! Off-paneling stuff that doesn't have to be seen is one of the best things that happened to the series after the time-skip. It was needed to compress arcs that would take multiples years to finish otherwise. Sometimes the crew can not be more than support characters with massive plots and factions with their own amount of characters appearing as right now. So many participants demand panel time, some fall short or are held back a bit, while still furthering the plot somehow. The author is learning from his past mistakes and problems, maybe it's you complaining about stuff, because it just doesn't run as you want it to?
Which uncomprehensible writing decisions are you talking about?
P.S.: And of course it still has some problems, but you are painting a very black picture here.
I would argue that he had gone to the extreme in the other way: The pace is too quick right now. Characters lack proper development that would make us care about them, there are too many cliffhangers and suprises, to the point it stops being entertaining and starts being almost annoying. Because fights are off-paneled, or rushed, some characters suffer for it, primary example here being Burgess and Diamante, both hyped characters that were reduced almost to a joke.
Lack of character consistency, or proper characterization as a whole is a problem as well. Lack of focus is also apparent, with Straw-Hats being basicaly reduced to side-characters in this arc. Which would've been fine, if not for the fact that the resolution will fall on them. For example, I do not feel any sort of exciment for the upcoming Doflamingo vs Luffy fight, because it was not build up, and personal stakes of Luffy in the whole conflict are rather insignificante. Law, Riku, Rebecca, Curos, hell, even Fujitora and Bellamy all have better motivation to fight Doflamingo than Luffy does. And I could point out even more problems.
Fights are being off-paneled for a good reason. Oda plans on focusing on those characters fighting for real later.
Diamante, for example, will obviously show everything he has in his final confront with whoever. Same for Pica and Treból. Stuff like Usopp vs. Treból and Zoro vs. Pica were never really meant to be shown because they weren't official.
yea it does seem a little messy with constant running, sanjis group dissapearing, luffy wanting to fight mingo even tho he doesnt really have a connnection to him, offscreen fiights but itssall goood. lets see who fights pika and hopefully itll be shown this time like an official fight.
Yeah, why would you want to see them use the exact same attacks twice?
yea it does seem a little messy with constant running, sanjis group dissapearing, luffy wanting to fight mingo even tho he doesnt really have a connnection to him, offscreen fiights but itssall goood. lets see who fights pika and hopefully itll be shown this time like an official fight.
Now he has a connection as big as in any other major fight.
there are too many cliffhangers and suprises, to the point it stops being entertaining and starts being almost annoying.
Nah, this has basically always happened. It's always like WOAHHH every few chapters, but a lot of them come to nothing. Which is maybe a little tiresome weekly, but it reads fine in the volumes. I don't think this element is actually a particularly new thing.
primary example here being Burgess and Diamante, both hyped characters that were reduced almost to a joke.
You sure about this? They did alright in there little bit of paneltime, and Diamante definitely has more to come. I think it's really far too early to say this; unlike B and C blocks, D block wasn't really used to show off characters and fighting and so on, so it's actually something I'm pretty happy was mostly off-panel? And who knows what will come. Kyros vs Diamante in a sort of Riku era Colosseum unbeatable vs Donquixote era Colosseum unbeatable face-off? Burgess just doing something crazy and unpredictable like driving gigaPica headfirst to the ground? Until we see what comes of it, you surely can't criticise D block of all things. Surely Usopp vs Trebol & Sugar should be your first example? Then Franky vs the world? And the Sunny Team vs Jora after that.
For example, I do not feel any sort of exciment for the upcoming Doflamingo vs Luffy fight, because it was not build up, and personal stakes of Luffy in the whole conflict are rather insignificante.
I know what you mean, and I definitely felt like this early in the arc. It was all "Law's plan to take out Kaido." There was no investment in Doflamingo's defeat, and it felt like they were looking straight over his head the whole time. But I felt that Law's backstory has nodded towards some kind of reason there … which we'll get in full eventually. More importantly, there's what Luffy said in the chapter before this one. He's seen those little bits of the darkness of Dressrosa - Rebecca and the prisoner gladiators, Kyros to some extent - and they clearly gave him motivation to take out Doflamingo. As he said to Law, the consequences can be dealt with when they come - beating Doflamingo is priority #1, not just because of some plan or because he's directly antagonising them, but actually because of the things he's done to Dressrosa.
Franky kind of voiced something similar way earlier on, but it wasn't really capitalised on. Hopefully it will be from here on out.
You know, if Franky or Usopp's fights had been shown, we would probably have gotten bored of Trebòl and the Diamante Army's abilities by now.
You know, if Franky or Usopp's fights had been shown, we would probably have gotten bored of Trebòl and the Diamante Army's abilities by now.
The first is a bit like arguing that showing Rokushiki at W7 made it boring for the Tower. The second is a bit like arguing showing Miss Goldenweek's abilities on Little Garden made them boring for her cover story.
The first is a bit like arguing that showing Rokushiki at W7 made it boring for the Tower. The second is a bit like arguing showing Miss Goldenweek's abilities on Little Garden made them boring for her cover story.
Well, it doesn't help that Kaku and Kalifa got new abilities just to make things more fresh. We also saw unique variations of Rokushiki being used by the CP9 instead of the basic.
And Enies Lobby was more about the Straw Hats doing new stuff anyway. The protagonists were the novelty, not the antagonists.
While the protagonists had a need to show new attacks since Skypiea or their loss at W7, now they will have to show how they actually have grown with the time-skip[it's only been half a week at most], since FI wasn't much of a challenge and PH only having Caesar for Luffy, that one haki teaser from Zoro with Monet and support characters handling Vergo.
Nah, this has basically always happened. It's always like WOAHHH every few chapters, but a lot of them come to nothing. Which is maybe a little tiresome weekly, but it reads fine in the volumes. I don't think this element is actually a particularly new thing.
You sure about this? They did alright in there little bit of paneltime, and Diamante definitely has more to come. I think it's really far too early to say this; unlike B and C blocks, D block wasn't really used to show off characters and fighting and so on, so it's actually something I'm pretty happy was mostly off-panel? And who knows what will come. Kyros vs Diamante in a sort of Riku era Colosseum unbeatable vs Donquixote era Colosseum unbeatable face-off? Burgess just doing something crazy and unpredictable like driving gigaPica headfirst to the ground? Until we see what comes of it, you surely can't criticise D block of all things. Surely Usopp vs Trebol & Sugar should be your first example? Then Franky vs the world? And the Sunny Team vs Jora after that.
I know what you mean, and I definitely felt like this early in the arc. It was all "Law's plan to take out Kaido." There was no investment in Doflamingo's defeat, and it felt like they were looking straight over his head the whole time. But I felt that Law's backstory has nodded towards some kind of reason there … which we'll get in full eventually. More importantly, there's what Luffy said in the chapter before this one. He's seen those little bits of the darkness of Dressrosa - Rebecca and the prisoner gladiators, Kyros to some extent - and they clearly gave him motivation to take out Doflamingo. As he said to Law, the consequences can be dealt with when they come - beating Doflamingo is priority #1, not just because of some plan or because he's directly antagonising them, but actually because of the things he's done to Dressrosa.
Franky kind of voiced something similar way earlier on, but it wasn't really capitalised on. Hopefully it will be from here on out.
maybe dd will not be defeated so soon
I would argue that he had gone to the extreme in the other way: The pace is too quick right now. Characters lack proper development that would make us care about them, there are too many cliffhangers and suprises, to the point it stops being entertaining and starts being almost annoying. Because fights are off-paneled, or rushed, some characters suffer for it, primary example here being Burgess and Diamante, both hyped characters that were reduced almost to a joke.
Lack of character consistency, or proper characterization as a whole is a problem as well. Lack of focus is also apparent, with Straw-Hats being basicaly reduced to side-characters in this arc. Which would've been fine, if not for the fact that the resolution will fall on them. For example, I do not feel any sort of exciment for the upcoming Doflamingo vs Luffy fight, because it was not build up, and personal stakes of Luffy in the whole conflict are rather insignificante. Law, Riku, Rebecca, Curos, hell, even Fujitora and Bellamy all have better motivation to fight Doflamingo than Luffy does. And I could point out even more problems.
Yeah and all this text is just your opinion, period
"I live Based, so don't try to be Based" - Lil B
maybe dd will not be defeated so soon
That would be disappointing after such a big arc with so much villainy on Doflamingo's part. LIke Croc being beaten after Alabasta. It's just kinda disappointing. This is what I held to early in the arc when people were saying Doffy might outlast this arc, and what they were arguing made sense then. But, really, this arc ending without Doffy's defeat now?
Yeah and all this text is just your opinion, period
Woah. Someone on a discussion thread on a forum posted their opinion. Must point it out.
Yup 16 chickens..
"I live Based, so don't try to be Based" - Lil B
By the way, Sabo vs. Fujitora seems inevitable thanks to Tiger vs. Dragon symbolism.
I hope it happens we need some more sabo action.
"I live Based, so don't try to be Based" - Lil B
I'm sure Dressrosa will become an arc that is better than sum of it's parts. Right now people are whining about things that can be easily fixed in coming chapters. Panel time for Burgess and other characters, proper on-screen fights, Luffy's motivation and so on. I know, after 50 chapters one can expect for all of this things to be already properly delivered, but I just feel that the climax is gonna blow us away and set straight everything that seemed bad so far.
Build up for Luffy vs Doffy is still in progress. Remember that this is a guy that has been appearing every now and then since chapter 2xx. It's also a first major badboy to beat post-skip so all that build-up needs to be done good. And I feel Oda is doing great job with it. At first it was like "mingo…? Oh, I remember him", then "hey mingo, that was not cool, don't do this again, mkay?", then "he did it again, I have to teach him a lesson" and now it's like "man he's starting to seriously piss me off, I'm gonna beat the shit out of him". Now we just have to wait for "what the hell have you done, I'm gonna make you pay you SOB!!!" and finally "IM GONNA RAPE YOU LIKE A LITTLE BITCH YOU ARE".
He's gonna get really pissed after flashback and all Law-Mingo stuff that is bound to happen and what is the most important thing, I THINK Luffy might go apeshit after he finds out that Doffy cares for his crew as much as him, but is allowing them to sacrifice themselves (Monet) for his sake. I mean THAT sounds like something Luffy would flip over, and I think that might make this fight the most epic shit Luffy ever went through, if done right. I really hope Oda is going in that direction.
Fights are being off-paneled for a good reason. Oda plans on focusing on those characters fighting for real later.
Diamante, for example, will obviously show everything he has in his final confront with whoever. Same for Pica and Treból. Stuff like Usopp vs. Treból and Zoro vs. Pica were never really meant to be shown because they weren't official.
I love how explanation to all critisism is "Oda will fix it".
More to the point, we should consider why it was broken in the first place.
We are not talking about all out fights here. We are talking about not one attack being shown. No struggle presented. The fact that focus will be placed on those characters later has not stopped him from showing interesting fights in the past, why should it now? Crocodile would be a prime example here. Or Eneru.
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Yeah, why would you want to see them use the exact same attacks twice?
Why would I want Luffy to fight Doflamingo then? Let's be honest, his attacks will not gain much in terms of originality because of Haki. And why wouldn't I be tired of seeing gear second attacks by now?
Now he has a connection as big as in any other major fight.
With all due respect, I disagree.
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Yeah and all this text is just your opinion, period
What a way to dismiss a critisism, mate. Interesting fact: Positive opinions are also opinions as well. Perhaps we should dismiss them on the same ground?
What makes ynew world, think Sabo can take on Fujitora? What do you guys take Admirals for? What makes Sabo different from Luffy? Please don't start with that Sabo score more Domino points than Luffy when they were 10.
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That is just one reason of many, yes. Sabo has a logia fruit. Sabo was toying with Burgess (a yonkou commander) and Diamante in the ring. Sabo is a new world veteran. Sabo has been on his journey longer than ace or luffy. Sabo was ace's peer. Sabo is the direct second in command of the most dangerous man in the world not a single commander in a single organisation. This places him above the likes of ivankov, who in turn beat the shit out of kuma.
As luffy is just starting out on his journey in the new world we can assume that he has not yet reached the level of an admiral, being that they are the strongest individuals within the marines. We can also assume that Sabo is AT LEAST Marco/Jozu/Ace level for all the reasons i've outlined and more. Ergo he is best suited to face fujitora, and stronger than luffy
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Yeah and all this text is just your opinion, period
Exactly. I'm loving the non stop excitement and constant cliffhangers. It makes this the 24 of one piece arcs, and already my favourite of the series
I don't see any issues with character consistency, or characterisation. Kyros, riku and violet are all excellent setting-specific characters
I really want to like Sabo, you know. But he comes off as so freaking smug. Maybe with a little more development I'll think differently.
Ahhh Sabo is a douchbag because he left Bartolomeo alone and now he's a smug, Sabo is such molester
Ahhh Sabo is a douchbag because he left Bartolomeo alone and now he's a smug, Sabo is such molester
I forgot. Sabo is a god, wonderful, well writen character that can do no wrong.
Please, I'm more critical of Akainu then you guys are of Sabo, and that's bloody saying something.
I forgot. Sabo is a god, wonderful, well writen character that can do no wrong.
Please, I'm more critical of Akainu then you guys are of Sabo, and that's bloody saying something.
Why are you coming at me for? I ain't worry bout noutin
Why are you coming at me for? I ain't worry bout noutin
Because dismissal of critisism in any way, shape or form in those forums is and always has been really annoying? It's as good reason as any.
But, nevertheless, I apologise.
