I wonder how Noblesse come about. Rai and the Lord look like siblings, but clearly they're not.
Maybe they are reincarnated through the birth of some random noble child once the previous noblesse has passed.
I wonder how Noblesse come about. Rai and the Lord look like siblings, but clearly they're not.
Maybe they are reincarnated through the birth of some random noble child once the previous noblesse has passed.
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@Phoenix:
That new guy is probably the werewolf's version of a noblesse. Probably the alpha werewolf or something.
He looks beaten up, so he could've been the reason Rai went into hibernation; the two top dogs duked it out essentially.
I wonder how Noblesse come about. Rai and the Lord look like siblings, but clearly they're not.
Maybe they are reincarnated through the birth of some random noble child once the previous noblesse has passed.
Once upon a time there was a really, really, really strong noble. He was so strong, people feared him and gave him a title. Given that Rai seems to have lived for a VERY long time, and inherited no soul weapon (since the former Lord and clan leaders had soul weapons 800 years ago, it can be assumed they inherited them from other Lords and clan leaders who came before them) he could be one of the original nobles. Reincarnation is displayed already through means of the soul weapons where the lifeforce and power of a noble is passed down in material form.
FINALLY SOMETHING HAPPENED!!! For fucks sake…
When Rai uses his [special attack](http://readonline.egscans.org/mangas/Noblesse 100-/Chapter 279/Noblesse_ch279_p015.jpg) on Urokai and Zarga, he turns into a giant Phoenix-like creature. We've seen similar transformations when each of the Clan Leaders used the special attacks of their Soul Weapons (Seira has a Grim Reaper, Zarga has a Dragon, etc.). Since Rai has no Soul Weapon - with Gajutel telling the Lord that Rai is pretty much a Soul Weapon due to his power - the answer to his powers might lie in that very trait. Since the Soul Weapons materialize a form when using a special attack, that might be the truest essence of the past Clan Leaders' souls; Seira's Grim Reaper could be a transformed version of the original Loyard Clan similar to Rai's Phoenix form.
Next, the transformations would get stronger as each successive Clan Leader went into Eternal Sleep and passed down their now-soul infused weapon to their heir (next Clan Leader). Now, in terms of Rai, since he has no Soul Weapon, a question comes up - since his power is bound to his blood and body rather than a material form, does that mean that his power was always as great as it currently is (minus the fact that his body is weak)? If each Clan Leader gets a stronger weapon than the previous generation, and Rai remains the strongest regardless, then does that mean his strength was God-tier from the beginning - albeit a glass cannon?
I believe the answer lies in his transformation. If his power is that of the Phoenix, then it's possible that Rai himself is reincarnated constantly, thereby allowing his power to increase during each generation. It has already been stated that:
So, instead of 'dying', Rai is just reborn each time. The cycle of death and rebirth is intertwined with Rai's transformation into a Phoenix; as noted by Frankenstein, the Soul Weapon is linked to the trait of clan, thus Seira's Clan of Death is linked to the Grim Reaper as Rai's transformation into a Phoenix would be to the cycle of reincarnation. That would also explain why a Noble like Gejutel, who looks much older than Rai, is in fact younger - it's unimaginable that a Clan Leader who was born before the Noblesse wouldn't know when Rai was born.
This trait of rebirth could also be a method to preserve the function of the Noblesse; as he is the eternal judge of his species, it would make sense that the same being would remain as that judge for all eternity - that is until the Nobles have changed enough, as per the wishes of the former Lord, thereby allowing Rai the chance to finish his duty once and for all.
Furthermore, the traits associated with the (East-Asian) Phoenix is illustrative of Rai:
Now, with this, there's the question of why didn't Rai just reincarnate himself after fighting the traitors 820 years ago. Well it could be that his reincarnation process could've been hindered by the traitors. Furthermore, there could be a significant enough gap between the death and reincarnation process which could've been risky if the traitors decided to wage full war against all the other clans and Lord. Moreover, it could have to do with the need to hibernate on a night with the full moon; if he was attacked on a different night, he wouldn't have access to his coffin, etc. Also given the nature of his wounds, I doubt he even made it back to his mansion.
The last consideration is why the traitors were so surprised to see him alive. If his power was reincarnation, then they would've known he'd be back eventually. However, that's simply assuming that they knew his all of his powers. Since he was feared by his own kind, it makes sense that they were unaware of the extent of his abilities thereby allowing leeway for the secrets behind his powers and link to the Phoenix.
Rai was always just that strong. He is known as having the power to kill all other nobles. I don't really think it's a rebirth kinda thing. The old clan leaders that went to the union thought that they killed him and they talked like he was going to be permanently gone. They live for a long ass time so if he was supposed to be reborn they wouldn't be surprised if he came back many years later. If anything, they would've been preparing for his eventual return.
Plus a whole rebirth angle goes against the theme of the series and that's how tragic Rai's life as a Noblesse is. He main goal as a Noblesse is to kill off rebelling Nobles. So he ended up isolating himself in his castle until he met Franky. Then his powers, although hax as hell, cut from his life force. So he's ultimately doomed either way. So he's finally enjoying his life with the kids and the RK5 before his tragic end.
Rai was always just that strong. He is known as having the power to kill all other nobles. I don't really think it's a rebirth kinda thing. The old clan leaders that went to the union thought that they killed him and they talked like he was going to be permanently gone. They live for a long ass time so if he was supposed to be reborn they wouldn't be surprised if he came back many years later. If anything, they would've been preparing for his eventual return.
Like I said,
@x20a:
The last consideration is why the traitors were so surprised to see him alive. If his power was reincarnation, then they would've known he'd be back eventually. However, that's simply assuming that they knew his all of his powers. Since he was feared by his own kind, it makes sense that they were unaware of the extent of his abilities thereby allowing leeway for the secrets behind his powers and link to the Phoenix.
Also, even if they lived a long time, if Rai has the power to reincarnate, he'd still be much older than all of them. Gejutel is a geezer but he doesn't know how old Rai is, let alone his birthday. Neither did the former Lord. In fact, despite living for what can be assumed to be tens of thousands of years, Rai still looks around he same age as Seira and Rael but younger than Rajak or any other noble (excluding Regis). You could say he looks young because of his vast amount of life force, but given he uses that very thing as a source for his powers, Rai should be aging noticeably at the end of each battle (exponentially at the end of both the battles against the Lord and the two traitors).
Plus a whole rebirth angle goes against the theme of the series and that's how tragic Rai's life as a Noblesse is. He main goal as a Noblesse is to kill off rebelling Nobles. So he ended up isolating himself in his castle until he met Franky. Then his powers, although hax as hell, cut from his life force. So he's ultimately doomed either way. So he's finally enjoying his life with the kids and the RK5 before his tragic end.
I dont think the theme is tragic in any way. He's lived a long time and is very powerful. Power isolates people, but he doesn't really seem to mind. He knows how strong he is and doesn't mind that people are weary of him. Before Frankenstein, Rai also had the past Lords and Clan Leaders to give him company. Given the panels of him with Urokai, Roctis and Zarga, he seemed to be pretty annoyed when people visited him. If anything, Frankenstein is a baby sitter for him than a fateful companion.
Rai's also confident in his powers, which is why he was amused with M-21 wanting to protect him. He knows his powers hurt him, but he doesn't care if he can protect the weak creatures around him. Around chapter 100, Frankenstein even said that Rai helps others because he feels pity for them; it's like seeing a wounded bird on the ground and helping it out. And death/Eternal Sleep is pretty much a choice for him. After living so long, like the previous Lord, it doesn't mean much. Entering Eternal Sleep is actually a reward than a curse. He enjoys his life, free from the responsibilities he had in Lukedonia, but it's not like he's in pain over any of it.
The Noblesse must protect the Nobles from the world and the world from the Nobles. When any threat is gone, he can finally sleep.
He doesn't see the kids as weak creatures. He actually cares for them along with the RK5 so that's why he doesn't mind using his powers. Rai is really a gentle person. He isolated himself because he chose too. Not because he felt any superiority like the current nobles do.
Death isn't really a choice for him. He's a Noblesse so using his powers is a curse for him. But the union's constant attacks makes him use his powers because he has too. What Rai really wants is to stay with the kids and be surrounded by people. It's not to go into eternal sleep because the evil Nobles are no more. Rai would actually like to avoid killing the Nobles. That's why Franky pointed out that after Rai killed Urokai and Zarga that he was sad since he didn't want to have to do what he is supposed do. Which is kill rebelling Nobles. He didn't find any pleasure in killing them off.
Anyways going back to the rebirth thing. If Rai does get reborn, it would be pointless since the kids would most likely be dead by the time he comes back. So unless he watches over the decendants of the kids, he'll be sorta alone again. Well aside from Franky or the Nobles but that doesn't really count since they were around when he was in the castle back in Lukedonia.
He doesn't see the kids as weak creatures. He actually cares for them along with the RK5 so that's why he doesn't mind using his powers. Rai is really a gentle person. He isolated himself because he chose too. Not because he felt any superiority like the current nobles do.
Rai, as most older Nobles, sees all humans as weak and pitiful creatures in need of help and protection when necessary. Chapter 108 goes into this in great detail so I won't bother rewriting everything Frankenstein explains to M-21 about the Nobles and their relationship with humans. Rai's attitude towards humans is pretty consistent throughout the series thus far when humans are threatened by those more powerful (Union Mutants, Rael, Union Elders); he'll use his powers to protect humans regardless. Shinwoo and the others are just humans who have fallen under Rai's protection as they have befriended them; they're concrete examples of Rai's willingness to help the weaker humans. RK5 is the same - M-21, Tao and Takeo are pitiful enhanced beings who lost their humanity, and Seira and Regis are younger Nobles who he must also protect and teach through example. I didn't say he feels superior to others. Rai merely acts according to his position - which is the basis of his title Noblesse, which is taken from the French term meaning one should act proportionately to their status; a noble should act in a manner befitting nobles.
Death isn't really a choice for him. He's a Noblesse so using his powers is a curse for him. But the union's constant attacks makes him use his powers because he has too. What Rai really wants is to stay with the kids and be surrounded by people. It's not to go into eternal sleep because the evil Nobles are no more. Rai would actually like to avoid killing the Nobles. That's why Franky pointed out that after Rai killed Urokai and Zarga that he was sad since he didn't want to have to do what he is supposed do. Which is kill rebelling Nobles. He didn't find any pleasure in killing them off.
Death is a choice. The fact that the Lord and other Clan leaders chose it makes it pretty clear that Nobles can choose when they want to die. He just doesn't choose it right now because, as you said, the Union is up to no good. He enjoys the place he is now, in the school and all, but he's made it pretty clear that his duty means more than anything else. Defying one's duty is what caused the uproar about the traitors to begin with - throwing everything you stand for, etc. The previous Lord even said that Rai should choose his own death when he feels he's ready, after looking after the children (current Lord and Clan Leaders), and finishing up his business.
Rai was sad that he killed the traitors because hey were his peers. He knew them for a long time. He, however, had no qualms with killing them, nor did he with their actions - it was their choice, but it was the wrong choice. He was sad that it had come that far, but it was something that had to be done; the traitors had killed other Clan Leaders and declared war on Lukedonia. It's not about pleasure, it was merely Rai's right and duty to kill them, just as it is the Lord's duty to rule.
Anyways going back to the rebirth thing. If Rai does get reborn, it would be pointless since the kids would most likely be dead by the time he comes back. So unless he watches over the decendants of the kids, he'll be sorta alone again. Well aside from Franky or the Nobles but that doesn't really count since they were around when he was in the castle back in Lukedonia.
I feel like you're putting too much significance on the children. Yeah, they're his friends, but this is a being that's lived for thousands of years. He's seen many people come and go; the previous Lord paid a lot of attention to Rai, but when Rai found out he died, he didn't seem to react much. If and when there is a war between Lukedonia and the Union, it is inevitable that humans will die, however the current Leaders and the Lord will protect what they can. That being said, I doubt that Rai would reincarnate himself now given the circumstances - that just makes the present a more tense situation. My post was about the nature of his power and a possible history that answers some of the questions readers would have based on the information disclosed by the webtoon thus far.
The story isn't one of tragedy, just one of duty. Rai is what he is and he'll do what he has to do. He's not some emo being who's all sad and shit.
Rai doesn't see what most nobles do since he always talks about Nobles need to change there way of thinking about humans. Nobles like Zarga, Roctis, Urokai have the old thought process that humans are weak and they are superior. Franky started to change that conception that humans can achieve powers to rival nobles so he got recognized by the some of the nobles who trained with him and even the Lord. As for the kids, their should be a significance in the children since that's what has changed since he was stuck in the loney castle.
lol, it's not about duty. He's job is to kill rebelling nobles. Not to live like a hermit in his castle. The series is going to be a tragedy since Rai will most likely die when the series ends. I don't really see it ending with a rebirth epilogue where Rai wake up way in the future. So yeah….............. it's not about rebirth.
Rai doesn't see what most nobles do since he always talks about Nobles need to change there way of thinking about humans. Nobles like Zarga, Roctis, Urokai have the old thought process that humans are weak and they are superior. Franky started to change that conception that humans can achieve powers to rival nobles so he got recognized by the some of the nobles who trained with him and even the Lord. As for the kids, their should be a significance in the children since that's what has changed since he was stuck in the loney castle.
Frankenstein's explanation seems to be based on Rai, the Lord, Ragar, Gajutel and probably the other Leaders who obeyed the will of the previous Lord, all of whom had no real thoughts about humans other than they were weak. It seems to be a recent phenomena that Nobles seem themselves as superior to humans as opposed to being individualistic creatures who couldn't care less about humans(this could be caused by the constant evolution of the human society compared to the stagnant Nobles one); Rael and the traitor Nobles seem to be the only ones who feel superior to humans - and even then to a degree given everyone in the Union feels superior to the rest of humanity.
The children play a key role in "the life Rai never had." However, it's pretty cliche - a strong loner makes weak friends and finds a place to call home, etc. Also, the need for such a life is questionable. It's true Rai spent a lot of time alone, but he has never indicated that he felt lonely. Moreover, it was never shown that Rai was actually forced to live there; it was more of a choice given his trait of being an observer than someone forcing him to stay locked away like some Disney princess. Next, Rai hasn't hesitated to push the children away when their safety could be jeopardized (when he went into hibernation while the others trained). He did the same to M-21's group, and Seira and Regis, given that he didn't want anyone to be in danger.
lol, it's not about duty. He's job is to kill rebelling nobles. Not to live like a hermit in his castle. The series is going to be a tragedy since Rai will most likely die when the series ends. I don't really see it ending with a rebirth epilogue where Rai wake up way in the future. So yeah….............. it's not about rebirth.
Your first sentence contradicts your second sentence; the words 'duty' and 'job' are synonyms.
I'm not saying he's supposed to live alone.
I don't understand how Rai dying even amounts to being a tragedy. The previous Lord's message pretty much makes death seem like the next step in a Noble's life ([1](http://readonline.egscans.org/mangas/Noblesse 100-/Chapter 196/Noblesse_ch196_p27.jpg))([2](http://readonline.egscans.org/mangas/Noblesse 100-/Chapter 196/Noblesse_ch196_p28.jpg)).
The OP was about Rai's powers - what they are and how he became so powerful. I didn't say anything about what happens to him at the end. All I'm saying is that the link between him and his transformation warrants the idea of reincarnation thus far in the story; why/how Rai is so powerful, old in chronological age while retaining a youthful appearance, has no soul weapon or clan, etc.
Frankenstein's explanation seems to be based on Rai, the Lord, Ragar, Gajutel and probably the other Leaders who obeyed the will of the previous Lord, all of whom had no real thoughts about humans other than they were weak. It seems to be a recent phenomena that Nobles seem themselves as superior to humans as opposed to being individualistic creatures who couldn't care less about humans(this could be caused by the constant evolution of the human society compared to the stagnant Nobles one); Rael and the traitor Nobles seem to be the only ones who feel superior to humans - and even then to a degree given everyone in the Union feels superior to the rest of humanity.
The children play a key role in "the life Rai never had." However, it's pretty cliche - a strong loner makes weak friends and finds a place to call home, etc. Also, the need for such a life is questionable. It's true Rai spent a lot of time alone, but he has never indicated that he felt lonely. Moreover, it was never shown that Rai was actually forced to live there; it was more of a choice given his trait of being an observer than someone forcing him to stay locked away like some Disney princess. Next, Rai hasn't hesitated to push the children away when their safety could be jeopardized (when he went into hibernation while the others trained). He did the same to M-21's group, and Seira and Regis, given that he didn't want anyone to be in danger.
Your first sentence contradicts your second sentence; the words 'duty' and 'job' are synonyms.
I'm not saying he's supposed to live alone.
I don't understand how Rai dying even amounts to being a tragedy. The previous Lord's message pretty much makes death seem like the next step in a Noble's life ([1](http://readonline.egscans.org/mangas/Noblesse 100-/Chapter 196/Noblesse_ch196_p27.jpg))([2](http://readonline.egscans.org/mangas/Noblesse 100-/Chapter 196/Noblesse_ch196_p28.jpg)).
The OP was about Rai's powers - what they are and how he became so powerful. I didn't say anything about what happens to him at the end. All I'm saying is that the link between him and his transformation warrants the idea of reincarnation thus far in the story; why/how Rai is so powerful, old in chronological age while retaining a youthful appearance, has no soul weapon or clan, etc.
The thing about humans being weak couldn't of been a recent occurence about Nobles acting that way since we saw in the flashback that Urokai thought himself as being superior to humans already. It only started to change when Frankenstien entered Lukeadonia that they started to accept humans as being capable of power. So it's a common belief that Nobles think humans as being weak and need to be protected by nobles. Franky was giving the generic definition of nobles.
2nd sentence goes along with the first sentence. The 3rd sentence was my point. He wasn't all about his duty. He didn't have to isolate himself but he chose to. He wanted to be a loner. Until he met the kids he was all about isolation. If you go back to the beginning of the series. Shinwoo helps him out and he ends up as a transfer student since that's his cover when he meets the guard. Rai was most likely just on his way to meet Frankenstein. Not to enroll in school. And because of that incident he was forced to interact with others. The kids played a very big role on why Rai is doing what he does. He wants to stay with the kids for as long as possible.
If Rai was truly about duty he would've already attacked the Union as soon as he found that's where the rebel nobles where and killed off the rebel Nobles. But instead he's taking a defensive approach. Why? Because he's not in a hurry to fulfill his duty.
As for the OP comment, Rai is young since he's a vampire and this is a Korean manhwa. Rai is your Bishouen MC. Rai is so powerful since he needs to be able to kill all Nobles. The lord included. But since he's so hax the author most likely added that it drains his lifeforce to give him a huge weakness that he kills himself by using his powers so he doesn't spam them like crazy and for drama that he may end up killing himself. He doesn't have a clan since there is only one Noblesse. He has a Soul Weapon but it doesn't have a material form like the other Clan Leaders Soul Weapons do. He uses his own blood and his own soul as the means to using it. Which has the drawback of taking away his life force. So he used the earrings and then the ring to seal his powers.
Rai's gonna die, but not before ignis…(maybe)
Ignis is already dead. He popped her eyeballs. Bitch is dead dead.
I called it, he's the strongest werewolf. His flashblack started this chapter.
Back to the usual Mondays : http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=25455&no=319&weekday=tue
That's right, it was announced to return about this time.
That's right, it was announced to return about this time.
Ey Razh, Is that you in your avatar? Funny pokeguy.
Ey Razh, Is that you in your avatar? Funny pokeguy.
It's Dwayne Johnson, The Rock. So, Brock, lol.
It's good to have the series back, but it which point do the trio stop being underdogs? M-21 should be on par with nobles by now.
Well, I assume that reason why M-21 isn't able to control his power well is because his brain is still human. That's why he was able to transform into full werewolf in this chapter, because his body did it on it's own as reflex by reacting to presence of other werewolf.
I'm wondering if it's still just his heart or is his entire body changing into pure werewolf or some kind of fusion between human/werewolf. Either way this is another opportunity for him to grasp the feeling of transforming into werewolf to finally become able to control that.
Up to now, the trio has been all the time synchronized dolls walking by the runaways of the school, which is perfect decoration for the bromance between Rai and Franky. M 21 is special, and he's still in development. I wouldn't say he's not at the level of a noble (that I remember), but this fight might be the chance to some fast improvement for him…. or to be rescued with his dolls-mates by the superduo... dolls everywere.
M-21 isn't really noble level yet. Once they release their soul weapon, he's basically screwed. If he ends up befriending this guy he could have a potential wolf mentor to make him stronger. The trio is basically around to face the underlings or buy time until someone stronger shows up.
I'd say that of the other two of Rai's knights but not M-21, he's clearly more than filler. And with this arc being all about the werewolves, he should at least prove he's on par with a noble without their soul weapon. I actually would like to see him surpass that and end up getting an invite to the werewolf clan at a very high position.
Shit just got real.
So we could assume Karias would have beaten the 5th elder if the third elder wouldn't be there. Amazing.
! Shit just got real. The Lord finally shows up.
In the post with the link to the fresh new current chapter, it would be better to put all spoiler between spoiler tags. Sure some readers would like to be surprised by the last panels, as it was the original intention of the authors. ;-)
That works in theory but as soon as the 2nd or 3rd person response to it. It's already out there. So you're really only not spoiling the first few people who see the link.
So you go back to the whole use spoilers when the chapter isn't officially out there rule. When's it's officially out spoilers are fair game.
That works in theory but as soon as someone reponses to it. It's already out there. So you're really only not spoiling the first few people who see the link.
I confess it didn't bother me, (I was second to you today); but it's good practice; others could have found it annoying.
By the face of the elders, the Lord is bad news for them. That third elder seems to be very treacherous guy. Could he stab the 5th in the back to safe himself? It would nice to see a confrontation between him and the second elder because of what could happen to the 5th in this battle.
Spoilers are kind screwy anyways in megathreads since you have no idea when a link will go up. You could just click on the thread and if it's a page after the link went up, you'll be spoilered since everyone is already responding to it. If spoilers really do bother you, you should stay out of megathreads until are up to date. It's hard to stay completely spoiled in megathreads so the spoilers being unspoilered after a scanned chapter is officially out is a way to have discussion in a megathread. You can't really please everyone.
The 3rd Elder is most getting killed now that the Lord has showed up. I don't really see the 5th dying yet since she has that whole behind the scenes thing flirting going on with Franky and the stuff she has going behind the scenes with the 2nd Elder/other wolf guy M-21 is fighting. If anyone escapes, it'll be her. The guy fighting M-21 could die though. If the Lord is there, another noble could show up to help the underling trio and kill the other werewolf guy off.
Spoilers are kind screwy anyways in megathreads since you have no idea when a link will go up. You could just click on the thread and if it's a page after the link went up, you'll be spoilered since everyone is already responding to it. If spoilers really do bother you, you should stay out of megathreads until are up to date. It's hard to stay completely spoiled in megathreads so the spoilers being unspoilered after a scanned chapter is officially out is a way to have discussion in a megathread. You can't really please everyone.
Then why to post links to the new fresh chapter, instead of simply commenting directly the chapter?
The pattern: fodders-in-danger,-Franky-and-Rai-comes-to-the-rescue was getting repetitive. Hopefully the author will have a different plan this time… hopefully.
Then why to post links to the new fresh chapter, instead of simply commenting directly the chapter?
The pattern: fodders-in-danger,-Franky-and-Rai-comes-to-the-rescue was getting repetitive. Hopefully the author will have a different plan this time… hopefully.
Beating two birds with one stone. Putting the link out there for others and to comment on the chapter yourself. Remember the rule is spoilers are free game after the chapter is out. Not until everyone else reads the chapter. If it worked the other way I would just post the link. Then have to lurk until someone else comments. For niche series that barely anyone else reads, you could be waiting for a long time until the 2nd comment comes. As for the author comment you said earlier, they intend for you to read the raw when it comes out at it's regularly scheduled time and place. So really I wouldn't need to post a link. Since it'll be in the OP with the regular update time that everyone would use. Not for it to be randomly linked to the numerous different scanlaters out there whenever they finally get around to scanning the chapter.
The whole pattern of fodder being around until Rai shows up is because the author made Rai too OP. It's going to keep happening. It's basically a formula now with Noblesse. It won't really ever change aside from another op character not named Rai or Franky showing up. Now that the Lord is involved, expect more Lukedonia nobles to appear to save the fodders asses from now on.
Beating two birds with one stone. Putting the link out there for others and to comment on the chapter yourself. Remember the rule is spoilers are free game after the chapter is out. Not until everyone else reads the chapter. If it worked the other way I would just post the link. Then have to lurk until someone else comments. For niche series that barely anyone else reads, you could be waiting for a long time until the 2nd comment comes.
The whole pattern of fodder being around until Rai shows up is because the author made Rai too OP. It's going to keep happening. It's basically a formula now with Noblesse. It won't really ever change aside from another op character not named Rai or Franky showing up. Now that the Lord is involved, expect more Lukedonia nobles to appear to save the fodders asses from now on.
Yes, it has being heavily used by the authors, but that doesn't cancel the fact that it would be boring as hell if that patters happens from now until the end.
To not wait until the second comments, it's better practice to post the link and your comment between spoiler tags; it's not a stated rule, just courtesy.
Yes, it has being heavily used by the authors, but that doesn't cancel the fact that it would be boring as hell if that patters happens from now until the end.
To not wait until the second comments, it's better practice to post the link and your comment between spoiler tags; it's not a stated rule, just courtesy.
Yes, it's a courtesy but not everyone does it. It's seems to be bothering you alot more than your letting on.
Yes, it's a courtesy but not everyone does it. It's seems to be bothering you alot more than your letting on.
Not really. I'm just chatting with you about it, since you chose to answer me. ;-)
Not really. I'm just chatting with you about it, since you chose to answer me. ;-)
lol, can't really argue with that one.
Something that would break the pattern in a believable way: a clash between the lords: Musaka, who suddenly appears and tries to kill the whole humanity beginning from Korea vs the noble's lord…. pfffff!
That would be cool. With the Lord there, we can finally start seeing OP fights now without the fodder pattern. Especially if Lukedonia goes on offensive.
I stopped reading this series half a year ago (around ch295) but is there any reason to catch up? It got really repetitive for about 200 chapters, last I remember.
I stopped reading this series half a year ago (around ch295) but is there any reason to catch up? It got really repetitive for about 200 chapters, last I remember.
Well, other than a couple of interesting revelations, after the flashback about Franky's past (which is the arc in which you dropped) it came an arc with the same patter we were talking about behind. But the things could get interesting in the current arc because of what is happening to Rai (which was an outcome of that ulterior arc). Can't say more with out spoiling the story.
Well, other than a couple of interesting revelations, after the flashback about Franky's past (which is the arc in which you dropped) it came an arc with the same patter we were talking about behind. But the things could get interesting in the current arc because of what is happening to Rai (which was an outcome of that ulterior arc). Can't say more with out spoiling the story.
I just read the last few posts–-Hahahaha, that's the exact same formulaic pattern I was thinking of. I guess nothing's changed. :/
Does anyone have an interpretation of what happens in these panels?:
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I don't get it because Karias shot the 5th with his arrow and in the next panel there are no signs of any damage so it's like he didn't get to hurt her. In the little panel about the 5ht's eye there are some little lines suggesting a movement or some kind of surprise, and … in the last panel.. Is that Karias being thrown against two buildings? I don't get it, because he was the one who shot the arrow. :blink:
It's the 5th Elder going through the 2 buildings. The following panel even has the 3rd Elder saying "5th Elder". The lines in front of her eyes are movement lines of her being pushed back by the attack.
That was my first interpretation and I suppose it's the true one. Only that the panels before, show the 5th as if she were static and not in movement, I mean that confuses me.
I just read the last few posts–-Hahahaha, that's the exact same formulaic pattern I was thinking of. I guess nothing's changed. :/
This was never an action manga though, it's a story manga. The action is there to facilitate the plot. The whole manga is about the Noblesse named Rai and his relationships. His desire to protect those important to him even at the cost of his own life force. Franky's internal struggle whereby he's happy his master has a normal life, friends and people he cares enough to protect not out of duty but will but also his desire to keep his master around forever and thus attempt to beat any foes before his master is forced to intervene.
This was never an action manga though, it's a story manga. The action is there to facilitate the plot. The whole manga is about the Noblesse named Rai and his relationships. His desire to protect those important to him even at the cost of his own life force. Franky's internal struggle whereby he's happy his master has a normal life, friends and people he cares enough to protect not out of duty but will but also his desire to keep his master around forever and thus attempt to beat any foes before his master is forced to intervene.
I think it's more complex than that. There are two plot lines interwoven: one is that you mention: Rai and his relationships, Rai trying to enjoy living to enjoy the details of a simple life, and smashing the flies who comes to bothers him and his protegées.
The other is about the clash between races, the clash between the noblesse and his race and the humans and the werewolves, which includes the conformation of the Union, and the very special development of Cromwell. In this line it has been a war running for centuries, and the story has to provide a solution to that war.
Both lines interwoven all the time. Now, as I understand it, the claim about the repetitive pattern is not that he keeps protecting on and on his friends, but that he keeps doing that and at the same time the story doesn't grow in the second plot line. Too much panels about how he protects his friends, and nothing about the main conflict built by the authors. How about watching some more arcs with powerful rivals coming to try to attack his friends and not knowing nothing about the internal struggles of the Union, or who is the first elder, or what was the conspiracy against Musaka or what was the conspiracy against Rai 800 years back, or if both conspiracies were connected and how… That would be disappointing, because those are very interesting questions. And we are having so few and little answers; this arc a clue, the next one another...
That it is. Hopefully the current condition of Rai may force the authors to break the pattern; which, to me, would benefit the story. And it's a very critical point because we are coming to met the big bosses and main rivals now. So what are the authors going to do with all this elements? I'm very intrigued...
Woo. All caught up now. I had apparently stopped some point after Franky's flashback. I think I just forgot about the series, not sure why.
I have to say. Of all the possibilities of who could save the Clan Leader I wasn't expecting the Lord. But I'm glad he's getting saved. He's easily my favorite of the Leaders lol.
raw and http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=25455&no=321&weekday=tue
English LQ version: http://mngacow.com/noblesse/321/?all
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! To come back to the discussion of the last week, it's a shame when the big bosses come and and do nothing more than to be there and to end promising fightings only with their presence… nothing happened.
Mangacow version of ch 322: http://mngacow.com/noblesse/322/?all
! But if in the end M-21 needs to be rescued …
"Then we shall change members as well"
New operated dolls got out of the runaway and came to be punished!