I hope we get an exposition filled chapter with the Toy Soldier explaining a lot about Dressrosa, but I could see it being split with Toy Soldier talking to Franky for the first half then C block starting at the end of the chapter. Either would be fine I guess.. Maybe we'll get to see what's happening on the Sunny.
Chapter 709: King Punch
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Lol @hakiconfusion. If I'm not mistaking, but even if someone has haki on Kuzan can still freeze you, Akainu magma fist can still burn you, Enel can still electrocute you(unless your a monster of haki)? You need to be a monster of haki to be able to neglect a DF power but only need the basics to hurt or touch people who their body is changed cuz of their DF(ex:Luffy, buggy, Logia's etc).
So if I remember, Bart isn't a logia and his DF doesn't affect his body? he still has normal human body? Ain't that mean anyone can beat Bart if only you can just pass his barrier? but even haki won't help you unless you have the strength/power+haki to do so? I guess the kingpunch didn't have enough power to break the barrier, so this basically means Oda used the Kingpunch to hype how powerful Bart barrier is..
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Seeing how powerful the king's punch was and how easy the barrier stopped it i would consider the possibilty of the barrier being TOTALLY unbrekeable by brute force (haki or not). It would all depend on Bart's reaction time to put the barrier up and the opponent to find a way around it.
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A physical object like Law's sword that can cut or not cut based on the defensive haki of others? I'm not sure what some of you need other than Oda to come out and confirm it to you, it's pretty obvious the barrier can be broken if someone's haki is overwhelmingly stronger than Barto's. That is the main purpose that haki was introduced imo, to level the playing field a bit instead of making devil fruit users (ie. not just logias) seem invincible due to their powers. The King's punch being able to KO Yonkod proves that what he said was bs and exaggerated, not the other way around. It's a very strong punch though.
No, The Kings punch basically ending the block fight and rocking the entire stadium confirms Oda's statement about that punch being able to kill an Emperor. Barts barrier blocked it and someone's physical strength IMBUED with haki must overcome the barrier. Haki can not bypass physical objects.
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No, The Kings punch basically ending the block fight and rocking the entire stadium confirms Oda's statement about that punch being able to kill an Emperor.
lol this is wrong for so many reasons. But hey lets give you an example to put into perspective the strength of an emperor.
Eg Blackbeard took an earthquake to the face. One powerful to partially destroy marine HQ. he then stood back up panels later and took the fleet admirals shock wave….and still got up. That punch wouldn't be able to beat an emperor, and if you think it can you have very low expectations of the strongest people in the world.
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lol this is wrong for so many reasons. But hey lets give you an example to put into perspective the strength of an emperor.
Eg Blackbeard took an earthquake to the face. One powerful to partially destroy marine HQ. he then stood back up panels later and took the fleet admirals shock wave….and still got up. That punch wouldn't be able to beat an emperor, and if you think it can you have very low expectations of the strongest people in the world.
I just have high expectations of Kings punch being able to kill an Emperor just like Oda does.
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I just have high expectations of Kings punch being able to kill an Emperor just like Oda does.
was that punch able to crumble most of dressrossa? No. So it isn't as powerful as whitebeards attack on blackbeard, which he still survived.
Answer: the kings punch is strong, but probably not anywhere near the strength it needs to be to beat someone in the big leagues. Luffy has done better, and taken stronger hits too. Hell we only just had a guy a few panels back being said to have the ability to split an ice continent or something lol. And this is a guy who's pretty much going to be fodder material by the end of this arc.
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was that punch able to crumble most of dressrossa? No. So it isn't as powerful as whitebeards attack on blackbeard, which he still survived.
Answer: the kings punch is strong, but probably not anywhere near the strength it needs to be to beat someone in the big leagues. Luffy has done better, and taken stronger hits too.
Doesn't change the fact that the Kings punch will kill an Emperor.
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Doesn't change the fact that the Kings punch will kill an Emperor.
if you actually had any faith in this argument you would at least come up with a counter argument to my example.
It's ok to be horribly wrong screw tape. Just don't pretend otherwise
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Doesn't change the fact that the Kings punch will kill an Emperor.
These are the words of a defeated man.
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Just realized this:
Why is Bellamy floating in the water ?_?
Is there's another non-visible table floating about?
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@400MillionBelis:
Just realized this:
Why is Bellamy floating in the water ?_?
Is there's another non-visible table floating about?
Same plot-convenient floaty wood that saved Mr. 3. Little bit of a discrepancy for me. Isn't he revered in Dressrosa? Couldn't a devoted crowd member decide Bellamy's life is worth more than their own and at least get him out of the water? I know basically the only place he could be moved is into the stadium, but that's better than being potentially devoured by fish.
I can just assume for the sake of the plot that everyone in the crowd was too afraid to do that, but still, never liked this floaty wood.
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@krule274:
Actually, he has 500, which is much more than I thought it was said to be. Which also adds to my thinking process: if there are that many, is each one significantly strong or will they just be semi-fodderized?
I appreciate the support, but like I said above, with a number that large, I can't entirely see each one being of too high a level. Obviously, they have to have some power to be working for a Yonko, and like Porcelainpot said, they need to be at least on par with Lepanto or fighters of the sort. But for just the StrawHearts(at the moment, assuming they don't ally with anyone else) to be fighting a number that large is a shot in the dark. And that's not taking into account other normal crew members of Kaidou. We just really can't be sure yet.
Yeah, but I don't think StrawHearts will be facing Kaidou's very army head-on: Law's plan probably involves bypassing those humongous spheres http://www.batoto.net/read/_/155401/one-piece_ch698_by_mangarule/14
to take on the emperor. And I wouldn't be surprised if Wa-No-Kuni's army helps out too.
I reckon Minotaurus level sounds fine.The fodder of Kaidou's army might be, as people have theorised, various races: Kaidou obviously hasn't been called King of the Beasts (if think that was his epithet ….) only since he started getting SMILES (in the timeskip), so armies of Fishmen, Minx, Longarms, Longlegs, even Giants, would be the proper hordes.
Densuke made a good point too about mass-production of Pacifistas.
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@400MillionBelis:
Just realized this:
Why is Bellamy floating in the water ?_?
Is there's another non-visible table floating about?
Probably to not give readers ideas about them dying there.
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Probably to not give readers ideas about them dying there.
That's a good point. We will have the: Is Bellamy dead? discussion all over again jaja. We have enough with Monet right now.
This arc is becoming more interesting every time, we have so many thing happening at the time and a lot of big fish on the same location, that a make me wait for the next chapter like an addict (more than before).
I do hope that Bartolomeo is working for a new char, somebody we have never seen, and also to se more of Bellamy in the future. -
Same plot-convenient floaty wood that saved Mr. 3. Little bit of a discrepancy for me. Isn't he revered in Dressrosa? Couldn't a devoted crowd member decide Bellamy's life is worth more than their own and at least get him out of the water? I know basically the only place he could be moved is into the stadium, but that's better than being potentially devoured by fish.
I can just assume for the sake of the plot that everyone in the crowd was too afraid to do that, but still, never liked this floaty wood.
Actually we can see Blue Gilly's behind him and his leg is bended
So Elizabello punch was so strong that trow all the rest of the competitors to the tournment walls and there is the shore or some water also pushed to the borders. -
Or maybe just Oda fucked up as usual.
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No, The Kings punch basically ending the block fight and rocking the entire stadium confirms Oda's statement about that punch being able to kill an Emperor. Barts barrier blocked it and someone's physical strength IMBUED with haki must overcome the barrier. Haki can not bypass physical objects.
Yes it can, Law's sword proved this as I said in post. The barrier is like the slash, except the slash you have to defend while the barrier you have to attack it. If you think an attack without haki can kill an emperor in one hit, then you can keep believing it.
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@400MillionBelis:
Just realized this:
Why is Bellamy floating in the water ?_?
Is there's another non-visible table floating about?
maybe the water have high salt content like dead sea in real world ?
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maybe the water have high salt content like dead sea in real world ?
No he is a devil fruit user so he's like a rock in the water. He should have to sink.
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I just had a dream that Luffy won C Block, and Moria was on the sidelines cheering him on.
One can dream.
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maybe the water have high salt content like dead sea in real world ?
@Warden:
No he is a devil fruit user so he's like a rock in the water. He should have to sink.
This was already explained a few pages ago and in this page as well
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These are the words of a defeated man.
How can Oda defeat himself?
if you actually had any faith in this argument you would at least come up with a counter argument to my example.
It's ok to be horribly wrong screw tape. Just don't pretend otherwise
I am not the one pretending the Kings punch can NOT make an Emperor succumb. Regardless of you incorrectly thinking Blackbeard "took" earthquake powers to the face. Blackbeard WAS BEATEN after that attack but he called his boys in to help. It would be no different with him getting blasted by the King's punch.
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I bet 1 million dollars Kaido could tank that punch.
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Yes it can, Law's sword proved this as I said in post. The barrier is like the slash, except the slash you have to defend while the barrier you have to attack it. If you think an attack without haki can kill an emperor in one hit, then you can keep believing it.
Go read chapter 597 so you can get the basics of the ability of Haki.
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Aren't these anecdotal descriptions of power usually inacurate in-universe? Like one character will verbally hype someone else and then be proven wrong in later chapters? "Enel is invincible! Oh wait, he's not really invincible." "Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world! Oh wait, now he's a corpse." And some characters even lie outright about character histories ala Kuzan and Robin, yes? So why does some off-handed remark deserve to be considered word-of-god?
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So is Bellamy dead then? Since he will sink to bottom
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So is Bellamy dead then? Since he will sink to bottom
No way, he's obviously getting out alive of this, he didn't appear again just to be beaten like this
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@Le:
Aren't these anecdotal descriptions of power usually inacurate in-universe? Like one character will verbally hype someone else and then be proven wrong in later chapters? "Enel is invincible! Oh wait, he's not really invincible." "Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world! Oh wait, now he's a corpse." And some characters even lie outright about character histories ala Kuzan and Robin, yes? So why does some off-handed remark deserve to be considered word-of-god?
Whitebeard is/was the strongest man in the world, that's not even up for debate really. (Though… I suppose Dragon could be the strongest person in the world, but he doesn't seem like a man who partakes in a lot of...action himself).
Whitebeard tanked the 3 Admirals, and thousands upon thousands of marines, all the while being old, sick, and on the brink of death (before and after his face got blown off/chest blown open).
It's like Kaido being the strongest creature in the world. Meaning he's stronger than any non-human race/species, like dwarves and giants (yes, dwarves and giants are non-human; I'm 100% certain on dwarves, but I suppose giants could be debated), fishmen, sea kings, and other assortment of beasts.
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@The:
Whitebeard is/was the strongest man in the world, that's not even up for debate really. (Though… I suppose Dragon could be the strongest person in the world, but he doesn't seem like a man who partakes in a lot of...action himself).
Whitebeard tanked the 3 Admirals, and thousands upon thousands of marines, all the while being old, sick, and on the brink of death (before and after his face got blown off/chest blown open).
It's like Kaido being the strongest creature in the world. Meaning he's stronger than any non-human race/species, like dwarves and giants (yes, dwarves and giants are non-human; I'm 100% certain on dwarves, but I suppose giants could be debated), fishmen, sea kings, and other assortment of beasts.
Please go do your research and you will see that human can also be categorized as creature or thing. So Kaido being strongest creature means his the strongest living organism including humans.
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Please go do your research and you will see that human can also be categorized as creature or thing. So Kaido being strongest creature means his the strongest livingbeing including humans.
You're clearly wrong.
Oda wouldn't of had the title strongest man in the world AND strongest creature in the world if this was the case (in One Piece). He would of simple had a single title of the strongest being alive if that were the case.
Edit: Even in the real world, human beings are hardly referred to as creatures.
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@The:
You're clearly wrong.
Oda wouldn't of had the title strongest man in the world AND strongest creature in the world if this was the case (in One Piece). He would of simple had a single title of the strongest being alive if that were the case.
Nope because Kaido is probably not human so his the strongest in overall, while Whitebeard is a human and considered strongest among men since Kaido probably isn't a human being ..
See if Kaido isn't a human then he can't be called the strongest man even if his stronger than whoever is considered strongest human…
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Nope because Kaido is probably not human so his the strongest in overall, while Whitebeard is a human and considered strongest among men since Kaido probably isn't a human being ..
He's the strongest thing overall now probably, not when Whitebeard was alive. He was only the strongest creature (non-human) alive. There wouldn't of been 2 different "strongest" titles if this wasn't the case.
And I bet there's a new strongest human title holder out there that could beat him cough Dragon cough, cough Shanks cough.
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@The:
He's the thing overall now probably, not when Whitebeard was alive. He was only the strongest creature (non-human) alive. There wouldn't of been 2 different "strongest" titles if this wasn't the case.
And I bet there's a new strongest human title holder out there that could beat him cough Dragon cough, cough Shanks cough.
Sorry I will stick to what Oda wrote, "Kaido strongest creature/thing in the world" and human are under those so yeah Kaido is strongest overall, if Oda didn't want any misunderstanding then he would've said "Kaido is the strongest non-human in the world".
Is like a bear/lion can kill any man in bare no weapon fight but the bear can't be called strongest man since its not a human.
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Did the japanese wording imply that humans were included?
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Go read chapter 597 so you can get the basics of the ability of Haki.
The same thing happened with Law's sword, I don't need to read anything because you can't grasp or want to accept only one side of a story. Please explain to me how a physical object, used with a DF giving a slash that would normally cut someone in half, cannot if the opposing person has much stronger haki. That is what happened with Vergo and Law a while back according to DD.
There is no part in that chapter that Robin dismisses this.
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I am not the one pretending the Kings punch can NOT make an Emperor succumb. Regardless of you incorrectly thinking Blackbeard "took" earthquake powers to the face. Blackbeard WAS BEATEN after that attack but he called his boys in to help. It would be no different with him getting blasted by the King's punch.
blackbeard was on his feet taking punishment from sengoku only a few chapters later….and still getting up.
You are saying his punch is stronger than both whitebeards best, and the fleet admiral combined. And no don't try backing out by saying it would now be the same. You said the the kings punch would outright kill an emperor. Lol
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@The:
You're clearly wrong.
Oda wouldn't of had the title strongest man in the world AND strongest creature in the world if this was the case (in One Piece). He would of simple had a single title of the strongest being alive if that were the case.
Edit: Even in the real world, human beings are hardly referred to as creatures.
Mihawk is considered strongest swordsman in the world? Right? and Mihawk is a man but yet we still have another title the strongest man in the world, so swordsman is under the category of man so Whitebeard is above him and man/human is under the category of creature or thing so it kinda indicates Kaido is above any livingthing…
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My whole point in saying "Whitebeard was the strongest, yet now he's dead" is that these types of "absolute" statements are subject to change at best (like Whitebeard; his supremacy didn't make him unkillable, or able to overcome everything and anything), and at worst, total inaccuracy (remember there were like two whole chapters where it appeared CP9 had murdered Lucci and Kaku?) from an in-universe point of view. Not disputing Whitebeard's ungodly strength, not disputing that the King's punch is a force of extreme power. But characters in OP Universe are prone to extreme hyperbole, and we should take every line of dialogue as hearsay until we see the described feats literally and explicitly illustrated. (IE, until an existing yonko is in fact taken down for real by a King's punch, I'll remain unsure).
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Edit: Even in the real world, human beings are hardly referred to as creatures.
Don't you watch sci-fi movies? when an alien, vampire, werewolf etc meets/talks to a human don't they usually refer human as creatures? even in some manga, it's more like you don't notice it humans are called creature in the real world in most things..
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Sorry I will stick to what Oda wrote, "Kaido strongest creature/thing in the world" and human are under those so yeah Kaido is strongest overall, if Oda didn't want any misunderstanding then he would've said "Kaido is the strongest non-human in the world".
Is like a bear/lion can kill any man in bare no weapon fight but the bear can't be called strongest man since its not a human.
I'm pretty sure common lingo doesn't classify humans as creatures, so in essence Oda might have indeed been calling Kaido the strongest non human. Its just that with all the signs that pointed to Whitebeard being the overall strongest dude in the series (e.g. The marines reactions, him being considered the closest to one piece and his legendary background as rival to Roger.) one extremely ambiguous line of hype should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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@The:
He's the strongest thing overall now probably, not when Whitebeard was alive. He was only the strongest creature (non-human) alive. There wouldn't of been 2 different "strongest" titles if this wasn't the case.
And I bet there's a new strongest human title holder out there that could beat him cough Dragon cough, cough Shanks cough.
Kaido's the strongest living thing alive, meaning he's strongest of the living world IMO. It's just easier to translate living thing as creature because it makes more sense given Nami's reaction.
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Furthermore, when has a Yonko ever been stated to have been defeated by a single impact? What is this statement "could take down a Yonko" even based on? The only Yonko that has ever been taken down in battle (that we know of) was Whitebeard. We don't even know of anyone at his approximate level of strength and endurance that has been felled by a single impact comparable to the Kings' punch. The more I think about it the more this statement seems to be Elizabello's cronies over-hyping his strength.
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! @Le:
! > My whole point in saying "Whitebeard was the strongest, yet now he's dead" is that these types of "absolute" statements are subject to change at best (like Whitebeard; his supremacy didn't make him unkillable, or able to overcome everything and anything), and at worst, total inaccuracy (remember there were like two whole chapters where it appeared CP9 had murdered Lucci and Kaku?) from an in-universe point of view. Not disputing Whitebeard's ungodly strength, not disputing that the King's punch is a force of extreme power. But characters in OP Universe are prone to extreme hyperbole, and we should take every line of dialogue as hearsay until we see the described feats literally and explicitly illustrated. (IE, until an existing yonko is in fact taken down for real by a King's punch, I'll remain unsure). well I'm not saying anything as fact but if we go according to what Oda wrote then Kaido should be considered more powerful than WB, unless Japanese words indicate that human is not among the creature Kaido is referred to as…--- Update From New Post Merge ---
I'm pretty sure common lingo doesn't classify humans as creatures, so in essence Oda might have indeed been calling Kaido the strongest non human. Its just that with all the signs that pointed to Whitebeard being the overall strongest dude in the series (e.g. The marines reactions, him being considered the closest to one piece and his legendary background as rival to Roger.) one extremely ambiguous line of hype should be taken with a pinch of salt.
And again, Kaido wasn't at marineford we don't know the kind of reaction the marines/pirates would had have and the kind of things they would've said about him, wasn't people so sure WB was above every yonko but in a few chapters it reveals that even the other yonko's was battling the great WB for territories..
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well I'm not saying anything as fact but if we go according to what Oda wrote then Kaido should be considered more powerful than WB, unless Japanese words indicate that human is not among the creature Kaido is referred to as…
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And again, Kaido wasn't at marineford we don't know the kind of reaction the marines/pirates would had have and the kind of things they would've said about him, wasn't people so sure WB was above every yonko but in a few chapters it reveals that even the other yonko's was battling the great WB for territories..
Wasn't the jostling for territories after he died? Again i'm not saying he's definitely weaker than WB, its just the overall narrative of the series has leaned towards the idea of WB as the strongest. Whilst Kaido being considered the strongest is at best supported by a single extremely debatable line so far. About the hypothetical reaction of the marines, that is my point all along, no one knows nearly enough to consider him the definitive strongest.
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Wasn't the jostling for territories after he died? Again i'm not saying he's definitely weaker than WB, its just the overall narrative of the series has leaned towards the idea of WB as the strongest. Whilst Kaido being considered the strongest is at best supported by a single extremely debatable line so far. About the hypothetical reaction of the marines, that is my point all along, no one knows nearly enough to consider him the definitive strongest.
! . Nope not when he died And Oda said WB was strongest man and many people even on this forum doubted it cuz they saw WB in IVs and nurses around him n plus his old, majority of people thought he isn't strong that even Blackbeard can beat him but Oda proved most of them wrong and now samething happening with Kaido. One of the first yonko name to be revealed long time ago and yet we haven't even seen him and I believe Oda will prove/show us why his called strongest creature in the world.(take note: Dofla wasn't even all that scared of WB but he was sweating bullets when he heard Kaido's name).
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Looks like its that time of the week again . . .
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Looks like its that time of the week again . . .
Yep, this thread was as dry as dry can be so ima decided to get on and wake it up a little bit….
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It's obvious that Kaido isn't the strongest thing alive, because he wouldn't have turned tail when confronted by Shanks. This is reinforced by the fact that Kaido is apparently fearless and merciless, and yet, he still turned tail.
Why would a fearless and merciless CREATURE (according to Law, not even a human from the sounds of it), that can't be reasoned with (also according to Law), "talk it out" (with Shanks)? Why wouldn't he just plow right through him, especially if, according to some of you, he's the strongest thing on the planet?
I love Kaido, he's my favorite Yonko, but even I know he isn't the strongest thing on the planet. He's the strongest non-human thing.
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! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HhO3yZTpPS4/UQnHXSPkAJI/AAAAAAAAFRs/XfpajvEr5Ns/s1600/One+Piece+Chapter+697+Review+Punk+Hazard+Trafalgar+Law+Yonko+Kaidou+Luffy.jpg. Nope not when he died And Oda said WB was strongest man and many people even on this forum doubted it cuz they saw WB in IVs and nurses around him n plus his old, majority of people thought he isn't strong that even Blackbeard can beat him but Oda proved most of them wrong and now samething happening with Kaido. One of the first yonko name to be revealed long time ago and yet we haven't even seen him and I believe Oda will prove/show us why his called strongest creature in the world.(take note: Dofla wasn't even all that scared of WB but he was sweating bullets when he heard Kaido's name).
Wasn't Kaido revealed as a yonko quite a bit later on, like the 2nd last? Also doesn't nami's reaction/words kinda show that the term creature does not include humans? I think Dofla had a lot less skin in the game against WB, cos he really wasn't their goal just an obstacle to rescue Ace, but Kaido would specifically want to destroy him if the smile thing didn't work out thus profuse sweating.