My thread… How did it come to this?
How about we start an actual discussion? Here's why I want Sanji to eat the fruit: I don't want him to keep "replicating" the Mera Mera no Mi's powers.
Good man. I wouldn't mind him eating it, he already can create fire around him and his legs for no explained reason anyway.
My thread… How did it come to this?
How about we start an actual discussion? Here's why I want Sanji to eat the fruit: I don't want him to keep "replicating" the Mera Mera no Mi's powers.
I wouldn't mind Sanji eating the fruit, he would still fight the same as before anyways, right?
I would hate if Sanji ate it. A Logia is not the type of power a main character should have.
Shhh, the fights over. Discuss sanji eating or not eating the fruit with us friend!
I wouldn't mind Sanji eating the fruit, he would still fight the same as before anyways, right?
Yeah. He would still fight by kicking (Is there a name for his fighting style?). But kicks would be packed with some "firepower". Long range attacks and logia intagibility…
@Foxy:
I would hate if Sanji ate it. A Logia is not the type of power a main character should have.
Maybe in the "Paradise". But they're in the New World now. Most of the strong pirates know Haki. A logia isn't overpowered anymore.
Maybe in the "Paradise". But they're in the New World now. Most of the strong pirates know Haki. A logia isn't overpowered anymore.
If fodder tries to shoot at him, instead of dodging, he just stands there.
That's not something a main character should do. "Intangibility" is a power that is better for villains.
Yeah. He would still fight by kicking (Is there a name for his fighting style?). But kicks would be packed with some "firepower". Long range attacks and logia intagibility…
Maybe in the "Paradise". But they're in the New World now. Most of the strong pirates know Haki. A logia isn't overpowered anymore.
All kick stylemartial arts are very similar but since he is more french based(guessing) Id go with savate
I'm not a mod of this board, but I'll warn you all to cool your jets before I go and get one.
Shift, you can push my buttons any day.
No I don't know what I mean by that either. –----------------------
Anyway, to the discussion at hand, I think saying why you'd 'want' something to happen is not necessarily the same as saying why you think something would happen. Not to say it isn't fair to talk about, I simply thought the focus was on the latter rather than the former.
On that note, a question for those who believe a Straw Hat will eat the fruit, or even for those who are simply arguing it as a valid possibility: is this something you see happening within the upcoming arc, or something you see happening far in the future down the line? I don't think I agree regardless, but the strength of my opposition is different depending, and I'd like to know what exactly it is I should be arguing against before I do.
maybe if sanji eats it his eyebrows will always be on fire
@Foxy:
If fodder tries to shoot at him, instead of dodging, he just stands there.
You mean like Luffy? And he probably won't be able to turn by reflex without some training.
@Foxy:
That's not something a main character should do. "Intangibility" is a power that is better for villains.
Ace had a logia. I don't really see it as a "villanous power". And once again: Haki.
@Foxy:
If fodder tries to shoot at him, instead of dodging, he just stands there.
That's not something a main character should do. "Intangibility" is a power that is better for villains.
…Kind of like luffy? I mean I don't consider that a justification for sanji to be ineligible, considering they might as well be untouchable when it comes to fodder anyway.
@Foxy:
If fodder tries to shoot at him, instead of dodging, he just stands there.
That's not something a main character should do. "Intangibility" is a power that is better for villains.
he would go in full attack mode if he doesnt have to defend. maybe that way he can up his KO count to try and match zoro
@Panda:
On that note, a question for those who believe a Straw Hat will eat the fruit, or even for those who are simply arguing it as a valid possibility: is this something you see happening within the upcoming arc, or something you see happening far in the future down the line? I don't think I agree regardless, but the strength of my opposition is different depending, and I'd like to know what exactly it is I should be arguing against before I do.
I think it would have to happen in the next arc, or at least at the end of it. They're already halfway there. If he eats it just before they reach Raftel or something, he would suck with it. Considering how long it has took for other characters to master their fruits, he needs some time to train.
Oda spent so much time developing the fighting styles of the Straw Hats.
What would giving Sanji the Mera-Mera no Mi do anyway? He already uses fire, it would be pointless. There are lines Oda won't cross, and giving a Straw Hat a Devil Fruit when they already have established powers is a line he won't cross.
@Foxy:
Oda spent so much time developing the fighting styles of the Straw Hats.
What would giving Sanji the Mera-Mera no Mi do anyway? He already uses fire, it would be pointless. There are lines Oda won't cross, and giving a Straw Hat a Devil Fruit when they already have established powers is a line he won't cross.
I'm only discussing the "ifs" about Sanji eating it because it's fun.
@Foxy:
Oda spent so much time developing the fighting styles of the Straw Hats.
What would giving Sanji the Mera-Mera no Mi do anyway? He already uses fire, it would be pointless. There are lines Oda won't cross, and giving a Straw Hat a Devil Fruit when they already have established powers is a line he won't cross.
Again: Diable Jamble =/= Mera Mera no Mi. Yes, he already uses fire. And that's exactly why it wouldn't mess up his fighting style.
Again: Diable Jamble =/= Mera Mera no Mi. Yes, he already uses fire. And that's exactly why it wouldn't mess up his fighting style.
My other question is what makes Sanji so special? Why would he get to stand out so much from the other Straw Hats?
Not to mention, he already said he wouldn't want any Devil Fruit, with Absalom's being the only exception.
@Foxy:
My other question is what makes Sanji so special? Why would he get to stand out so much from the other Straw Hats?
I don't think that would make stand out too much. Luffy has CoC and elephant gattling, Zoro… well, we haven't even seen his full potential. (Yes, we haven't seen Sanji's either. I know.) He probably has/will have some mass destruction attacks Mihawk-style.
@Foxy:
Not to mention, he already said he wouldn't want any Devil Fruit, with Absalom's being the only exception.
He said he "wasn't interested". And he could always change his mind. He was willing to sacrifice swimming for Absalom's fruit. The Mera Mera no Mi may interest him too (since it's fire).
He said he "wasn't interested". And he could always change his mind. He was willing to sacrifice swimming for Absalom's fruit. The Mera Mera no Mi may interest him too (since it's fire).
Would Luffy even let him eat the mera mera no mi? If he truly doesn't care about it, then I guess not, but I'm not sure how he would react to that.
@Foxy:
Would Luffy even let him eat the mera mera no mi? If he truly doesn't care about it, then I guess not, but I'm not sure how he would react to that.
Yeah, I don't know about that. It's hard to predict Luffy's reaction…
@Foxy:
Would Luffy even let him eat the mera mera no mi? If he truly doesn't care about it, then I guess not, but I'm not sure how he would react to that.
As much trust Luffy has in his crew, I would think he wouldn't mind, as it would be in good hands.
I think it would have to happen in the next arc, or at least at the end of it. They're already halfway there. If he eats it just before they reach Raftel or something, he would suck with it. Considering how long it has took for other characters to master their fruits, he needs some time to train.
Alright, in that case:
An argument I'm not sure I've seen brought up, although perhaps I've just missed it, is to look at this from the point of view of One Piece as being a story that is being intentionally crafted, rather than simply events that are unfolding.
From the latter perspective, sure, a situation where Sanji ends up completely outclassed in a fight and feels forced to eat the fruit in order to gain victory for Luffy seems feasible enough, and not even necessarily out of character; after all, we already have had scenes of Zoro being willing to give up his life, his dream, and his pride for Luffy's sake, so I see no reason why the same couldn't apply to Sanji.
From the meta point of view, however, the question you have to ask is, why would Oda have Sanji, or any of the Straw Hats for that matter, eat the fruit? Frankly, the obvious, and to me only, answer is in order to give that character a power up.
You say you believe it would happen in this next arc, or at the very least soon. So what you are saying is that Oda would have had the two year time skip, specifically so that the Straw Hats would be stronger. He would then proceed to have a few arcs post skip where the Straw Hats are essentially not challenged in the least, and stream roll their opponents, while seemingly showing off only the barest hints of the new strength they have gained in the process. Then, suddenly, within the very next arc, the difficulty would ramp up to the point that a Straw Hat would suddenly need yet another power up to succeed?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as always, it goes without saying. But does that not strike you as just the slightest bit absurd sounding, from a story telling perspective?
^ I said pretty much the same thing about story-telling 5 times already.
In response to Panda Bear's post, here is a question: How would Sanji eating the mera mera no mi benefit the current story line?
@Panda:
Alright, in that case:
An argument I'm not sure I've seen brought up, although perhaps I've just missed it, is to look at this from the point of view of One Piece as being a story that is being intentionally crafted, rather than simply events that are unfolding.
From the latter perspective, sure, a situation where Sanji ends up completely outclassed in a fight and feels forced to eat the fruit in order to gain victory for Luffy seems feasible enough, and not even necessarily out of character; after all, we already have had scenes of Zoro being willing to give up his life, his dream, and his pride for Luffy's sake, so I see no reason why the same couldn't apply to Sanji.
From the meta point of view, however, the question you have to ask is, why would Oda have Sanji, or any of the Straw Hats for that matter, eat the fruit? Frankly, the obvious, and to me only, answer is in order to give that character a power up.
You say you believe it would happen in this next arc, or at the very least soon. So what you are saying is that Oda would have had the two year time skip, specifically so that the Straw Hats would be stronger. He would then proceed to have a few arcs post skip where the Straw Hats are essentially not challenged in the least, and stream roll their opponents, while seemingly showing off only the barest hints of the new strength they have gained in the process. Then, suddenly, within the very next arc, the difficulty would ramp up to the point that a Straw Hat would suddenly need yet another power up to succeed?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as always, it goes without saying. But does that not strike you as just the slightest bit absurd sounding, from a story telling perspective?
I don't really think he'll eat it during a battle. Sure, that's one way to do it. I think that's possible too. But I'm guessing that if he eats it, it'll simply be because: He wants to eat it for some reason (maybe his interest in fire). Maybe Luffy will offer it to his crew and Sanji will take it? Or maybe he'll ask Luffy to give it to him? Dunno.
Powerup is one reason. Sanji doesn't really have those "mass destruction" attacks. But I think another reason would be: It's difficult to come up with interesting new moves for him. And since he already has a fire theme, why not give him a fire fruit? I think Oda might've planned this all along (After he decided Ace's death?). The power was too overpowered for the Paradise. Even Luffy wouldn't have been able to hit him. But now "everyone" knows haki.
He already struggled with Vergo. So while a powerup might not be completely "necessary", it wouldn't hurt. But like I explained above, it's not the only reason.
Powerup is one reason. Sanji doesn't really have those "mass destruction" attacks. But I think another reason would be: It's difficult to come up with interesting new moves for him. And since he already has a fire theme, why not give him a fire fruit? I think Oda might've planned this all along (After he decided Ace's death?). The power was too overpowered for the Paradise. Even Luffy wouldn't have been able to hit him. But now "everyone" knows haki.
Honestly, and this probably comes down at least in part to personal taste I suppose, but I find the 'hard to come up with new moves' argument to be particularly weak.
For one thing, I really don't see Sanji as being any harder to come up with new attacks for than, say, Zoro. Sanji kicks the opponent in some different manner; Zoro slashes them in some different manner. Bamboo shoot, if you want to go by what we've actually esen post skip, I'd say the new things we've seen from Sanji – Blue Walk, Sky Walk, Hell Memories -- have been more visually interesting and distinct from things we'd seen from him before than what we've gotten from Zoro.
Then, even if I were to buy that argument, would him getting the fruit really make him that much easier to design moves for? I absolutely cannot see Oda changing his base fighting style from revolving around kicking, so after eating the fruit he'd simply... have fire kicks, I suppose? I'll admit that's understating things, but I really don't see it opening up that many possibilities without totally deviating from his established fighting style.
@Panda:
Honestly, and this probably comes down at least in part to personal taste I suppose, but I find the 'hard to come up with new moves' argument to be particularly weak.
For one thing, I really don't see Sanji as being any harder to come up with new attacks for than, say, Zoro. Sanji kicks the opponent in some different manner; Zoro slashes them in some different manner. Bamboo shoot, if you want to go by what we've actually esen post skip, I'd say the new things we've seen from Sanji – Blue Walk, Sky Walk, Hell Memories -- have been more visually interesting and distinct from things we'd seen from him before than what we've gotten from Zoro.
I guess you're right… I guess it's just personal preference for me, since I don't like how he replicates the Mera Mera no Mi.
@Panda:
Then, even if I were to buy that argument, would him getting the fruit really make him that much easier to design moves for? I absolutely cannot see Oda changing his base fighting style from revolving around kicking, so after eating the fruit he'd simply… have fire kicks, I suppose? I'll admit that's understating things, but I really don't see it opening up that many possibilities without totally deviating from his established fighting style.
The fruit has a a lot of potential. How does he use Diable Jamble or Hell Memories? Those are some ways he could use it (obviously they'll be stronger with the fruit's power). He could get some strong long-range projectile attacks, like a fire rankyaku. Think about all the attacks Ace could use. Those fitted into Sanji's fighting style. Fireblast Sky Walk/Geppou…
I admit, Sanji is the most viable option just because out of everyone he seems to have hit a wall with how far he can go as a regular "human".
No disrespect to Sanji or how he's trained but I find the "But they've already trained for 2 years" argument to be just as weak as the over used "power up" discussions but what I do know is that at some point the crew will struggle in the New World and out of the Trio,Sanji seems to be the one thats already having trouble verses NW tiers.
Regardless on my stance with Sanji I still believe Luffy has just as much chance to eat it, if not more so.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
Regardless on my stance with Sanji I still believe Luffy has just as much chance to eat it, if not more so.
How exactly will Luffy eat it?
@Foxy:
How exactly will Luffy eat it?
I ain't Oda.
But to write it off as impossible or to say it'd make Oda a bad writer if he did it is laughable.
That would suggest he was a bad writer the moment Teach ate WB's fruit.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
@Foxy:
How exactly will Luffy eat it?
"He's rubber so he won't explode", I'm guessing. Haha. Luffy isn't Mr. 5.
I ain't Oda.
But to write it off as impossible or to say it's make Oda a bad writer if he did it is laughable.
That would suggest he was a bad writer the moment Teach at WB's fruit.
Blackbeard is a special case, though. Do you honestly think Luffy will have another Devil Fruit?
I guess you're right… I guess it's just personal preference for me, since I don't like how he replicates the Mera Mera no Mi.
Alright, I'm sorry, but I'm going to need some clarification here, because I'm a bit confused.
Why exactly is it that you don't like how he replicates it? In any other context, I would take that to mean you find it unoriginal, but I can't imagine that's what you mean, because then you'd be saying… you find his mimicking of the fruit's powers to be unoriginal, so you want him to gain the fruit's powers?
So I have to assume you mean something else by what you say, but I'm honestly not sure what.
@Foxy:
Blackbeard is a special case, thought. Do you honestly think Luffy will have another Devil Fruit?
Why is Blackbeard a special case though? Ive read many stories and rarely do you come across an antagonist who is more special than the protagonist, possible ofc but rarely.
You've all simply written it off as him being more than one person [[hence the jolly roger]] or that it has to do with the Yami Yami no mi, but no one really knows forsure.
Marco said that he has a strange body but we all know that can stem from being a D.
I'm not claiming anything here and neither do I bring this up to start a troll/flame discussion, but I think Oda had Teach
eat two DFs for a reason and I know he brought Ace's fruit back for a reason, whether its for Luffy is left to be seen.
@Panda:
Alright, I'm sorry, but I'm going to need some clarification here, because I'm a bit confused.
Why exactly is it that you don't like how he replicates it? In any other context, I would take that to mean you find it unoriginal, but I can't imagine that's what you mean, because then you'd be saying… you find his mimicking of the fruit's powers to be unoriginal, so you want him to gain the fruit's powers?
So I have to assume you mean something else by what you say, but I'm honestly not sure what.
Not unoriginal, just annoying. Why even make a fire fruit, if everyone can use it anyway? It takes away from the fruit IMO. Oda said that "the only magic comes from DFs", but here we have multiple guys creating fire out of nowhere. Okay, "friction". But what about him randomly bursting into fire when he's mad? No fucking explanation (except "it comes from his burning soul"). Diable Jamble, Poêle à Frire: Spectre and Hell Memories… What's next? He'll replicate Dai Enkai: Entei?
@Blowfish:
whether its for Luffy is left to be seen.
Here's why Luffy won't eat it:
! D: In the ONE PIECE of these days, all kinds of strong ability users whom even Luffy can't compete with have been appearing, one after the other. In general manga and anime, I feel that the protagonist is established to be the strongest of all, but why did you decide to turn Luffy into a pretty weak-looking rubber Devil Fruit user? P.N. Do your best Japan
O: Ahaha, that is true. It must seem like a mystery when you consider all the other strong and cool abilities. The answer is simple. I have picked the most ridiculous ability. If the protagonist were the typical strong guy, I doubt I could continue on with this for long. No matter how serious the story gets, Luffy is there to stretch and inflate. He always give me a chance to fool around. That's the kind of manga I wanted to write.
Not unoriginal, just annoying. Why even make a fire fruit, if everyone can use it anyway? It takes away from the fruit IMO. Oda said that "the only magic comes from DFs", but here we have multiple guys creating fire out of nowhere. Okay, "friction". But what about him randomly bursting into fire when he's mad? No fucking explanation (except "it comes from his burning soul"). Diable Jamble, Poêle à Frire: Spectre and Hell Memories… What's next? He'll replicate Dai Enkai: Entei?
And THIS is the only problem I have with Sanji as well, if lets say he'll be able to create fire attacks on the level of Dai Enkai, then might
as well just have him eat the Mera freaking fruit.
B-But maybe Oda changed his mind about Luffy, r-right guys?
Please respond.
Here's why Luffy won't eat it:
! D: In the ONE PIECE of these days, all kinds of strong ability users whom even Luffy can't compete with have been appearing, one after the other. In general manga and anime, I feel that the protagonist is established to be the strongest of all, but why did you decide to turn Luffy into a pretty weak-looking rubber Devil Fruit user? P.N. Do your best Japan
O: Ahaha, that is true. It must seem like a mystery when you consider all the other strong and cool abilities. The answer is simple. I have picked the most ridiculous ability. If the protagonist were the typical strong guy, I doubt I could continue on with this for long. No matter how serious the story gets, Luffy is there to stretch and inflate. He always give me a chance to fool around. That's the kind of manga I wanted to write.
When did he write this? The very beginning of the SBS?
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
Not unoriginal, just annoying. Why even make a fire fruit, if everyone can use it anyway? It takes away from the fruit IMO. Oda said that "the only magic comes from DFs", but here we have multiple guys creating fire out of nowhere. Okay, "friction". But what about him randomly bursting into fire when he's mad? No fucking explanation (except "it comes from his burning soul"). Diable Jamble, Poêle à Frire: Spectre and Hell Memories… What's next? He'll replicate Dai Enkai: Entei?
Ah, alright. That makes sense then, and I can understand where you're coming from with that, although I can't say it really bothers me.
On the other hand, that comes back a bit to what I started off saying when I weighed in on this. It strikes me as a perfectly valid reason for you to want Sanji to eat the fruit; it doesn't, however, seem like a good reason to believe it will actually happen.
16 characters of Volume 65.
But no ones saying the eating will take place as soon as his first struggle in Dressrosa, hell not even versus Kaidou.
I'm talking specifically about the Blackbeard match up.
That way everyone gets their amazingly popular wish of the fruit just sitting on the Sunny for the next 500 chapters.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss what will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi, not to bicker like schoolyard children. If you wanna make a wager with one another, do it through private messages, and leave it out of the thread where other people are trying to have a civil discussion.
I deleted most of it for now - keep it on topic and friendly or you'll be permanently dismissed from the thread.
@Panda:
Ah, alright. That makes sense then, and I can understand where you're coming from with that, although I can't say it really bothers me.
On the other hand, that comes back a bit to what I started off saying when I weighed in on this. It strikes me as a perfectly valid reason for you to want Sanji to eat the fruit; it doesn't, however, seem like a good reason to believe it will actually happen.
True. But I guess it's possible Oda gave Sanji fire attacks, because he wanted him to have the Mera Mera no Mi in the future. That's just speculation, though.
@Blowfish:
But no ones saying the eating will take place as soon as his first struggle in Dressrosa, hell not even versus Kaidou.
I'm talking specifically about the Blackbeard match up.
That way everyone gets their amazingly popular wish of the fruit just sitting on the Sunny for the next 500 chapters.
Oda has already decided what is going to happen to the fruit. And like I said with Sanji, eating it just before Raftel would be stupid. He would have no time to master it.
@eerie:
The purpose of this thread is to discuss what will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi, not to bicker like schoolyard children. If you wanna make a wager with one another, do it through private messages, and leave it out of the thread where other people are trying to have a civil discussion.
I deleted most of it for now - keep it on topic and friendly or you'll be permanently dismissed from the thread.
Thank you.
I would imagine "if" Sanji ate it; He would eat during the Kaidou saga, no?(though that is also speculation)
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
I would imagine "if" Sanji ate it; He would eat during the Kaidou saga, no?(though that is also speculation)
Yeah. During this arc/at the end of it or during the next arc. At the end of the next arc would be too late, he would've already fought a member of Kaido's crew.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss what will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi, not to bicker like schoolyard children. If you wanna make a wager with one another, do it through private messages, and leave it out of the thread where other people are trying to have a civil discussion.
I deleted most of it for now - keep it on topic and friendly or you'll be permanently dismissed from the thread.
Thanks for your hard work and I hope everyone will take your words to heart
Yeah. During this arc/at the end of it or during the next arc. At the end of the next arc would be too late, he would've already fought a member of Kaido's crew.
How would Sanji having the fruit be beneficial to the story line?
Blowfish- its never stated BB ATE the fruit. Since they covered him up, he probably did something else than eat it to get its power
How would Sanji having the fruit be beneficial to the story line?
Establishing a running gag between Sanji & Zoro was the best argument so far. I don't like the idea that a Straw Hat eats the fruit, but Zoro trying to master firecutting by randomly slashing Sanji would be hilarious.
