Metal Gear Solid V: Survive is some real far waters exploitation

[Sakonosolo]

Just because the majority of blockbuster games that get advertised to hell and back are FPS' doesn't mean there's still not a variety of games coming out. There's still lots of JRPGs, RTS', action games, TPS', etc. I personally like FPS games so them being the majority doesn't bother me. Crysis 3 just came out and while it's not as good at it as the first Crysis was it still isn't as "dudebro" as CoD is. People who say there's no variety in gaming today in my experience don't ever look any further than what's shoved in their faces by advertisements. It's a similar situation as people who say there's no good music anymore.

Kojima's just being a drama queen and/or trying to get publicity. I'm pretty excited for this game and MGS5/Phantom Pain.

[sanji499]

@Sakonosolo:

Just because the majority of blockbuster games that get advertised to hell and back are FPS' doesn't mean there's still not a variety of games coming out. There's still lots of JRPGs, RTS', action games, TPS', etc. I personally like FPS games so them being the majority doesn't bother me. Crysis 3 just came out and while it's not as good at it as the first Crysis was it still isn't as "dudebro" as CoD is. People who say there's no variety in gaming today in my experience don't ever look any further than what's shoved in their faces by advertisements. It's a similar situation as people who say there's no good music anymore.

Kojima's just being a drama queen and/or trying to get publicity. I'm pretty excited for this game and MGS5/Phantom Pain.

Sure, there is still variety but was I dissapointed non stop by some of my favourite series that I pretty much quit gamings in general. Time crisis went downhill, Dmc…, Final Fantasy, Ridge Racer, Tekken (the shitty endings in 5 made me quit the series), Parasite Evil, Resident Evil, reboots in general, Soul Calibur, Marvel vs capcom, Super street fighter 4 (Akuma becoming Taz) and so on.

Somehow, the MGS (the ones made by Kojima) series always manages to surprise me and interest me. I mean seeing Solid Snake being old and vulnerable was one of the boldest decision in gaming ever (f the stupid japanese high school girls and their shitty polls). He is indeed an artist and not a greedy ahole and it feels that he is indeed the type who will not hesitate to go against the flow and being himself (a theme of the series).

Maybe you are right, maybe its a way to advertise himself. However, the idea that this MGS or even the rest of the series being cast out did not come out as a surprise tbh and I am afraid that it may truly happen. Somehow, I have the feeling that even if the game is released, mainstream critics will bash the game (for the most superficial known reasons) even if you think this is one of the greatest games ever made but that opinion only belongs to you.

However, I am truly happy that you won't forget this timeless series and maybe that's the most important thing.

[sanji499]

Sorry for double posting.

http://www.psu.com/a018607/David-Hayter-may-not-voice-Snake-in-Ground-Zeroes

I wonder why.

[Buuhan1]

As I've said, I'd welcome it.

[Venomous Warden]

i just dont think the change in voice is necessary until he is old and grey, it makes even less sense since this isnt that long after peacwalker so it would be a bit weird.

[Sakonosolo]

I think I heard that Hayter was having problems with his voice anyway. As in he was in physical pain when doing it anymore. Not sure if that's true or not but it'd be a good reason.

[sanji499]

Or it could mean that Solid Snake could make an appearance in the game.
I would prefer that he stays because he was the voice of the Snakes since 1998 and I just love it. It would not be the same without him. Overrall, I think his best performance was in MGS2.

Richard Doyle could make a logical replacement. I did like Cygan's voice for Solidus, he was really passionate.

[Buuhan1]

http://metalgearsolid.nl/?p=6783

http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/joakim-mogren-is-cliff-bleszinski-not-hideo-kojima-we-think-18103

This shit just keeps getting stranger.

[Sakonosolo]

There's supposed to be an interview at 1AM eastern time.

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Interview with Joakim was like 5 minutes long and was pretty much "Wait for GDC" which is apparently later this month. Here's a picture of him, his face was bandaged during the interview:
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[Insider2000]

…..What the fuck? This is so god damn weird.

[Buuhan1]

I haven't watched the interview yet to hear the voice… but that's GOT to be Cliffy B.

[Insider2000]

I don't know what's faker: the accent or Geoff Keightley's existence.

It probably is Cliff, but the lips look a bit off. Cliff's don't seem as thick as this guy.

[Sakonosolo]

His and Cliff's eyes are the exact same color though lots of people have that color eye, especially I would think in Sweden :ninja: . Also there's quite a few people saying the guy was running in the Fox Engine, and the bandages were to make it so that they didn't need too much detail. And a lot of the time his eyes are closed.

[MagiciteKefka]

I think this is all quite genius. I mean, it's obvious this is all a big game by Kojima, but damn if it isn't a fun ride.

And yeah, speaking as a Swede, that accent sound fairly fake. But yet genuine at the same time. I'm kinda conflicted.

[sanji499]

@MagiciteKefka:

I think this is all quite genius. I mean, it's obvious this is all a big game by Kojima, but damn if it isn't a fun ride.

And yeah, speaking as a Swede, that accent sound fairly fake. But yet genuine at the same time. I'm kinda conflicted.

That's definetely his style. Remember the unskippable stupid (sadly realistic) ads when we started MGS4 (it kinda illustrated how the world of MGS created by the patriots looks like apart from the main story).

[tatermoog]

So, according to my twitter, Phantom Pain is Ground Zeros is Metal Gear Solid V.

I'm so confused.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

Welp: http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/27/4153444/metal-gear-solid-5-is-the-phantom-pain-and-ground-zeroes-in-one-game

The XBOX 360 thing diminishes my hope for a connecting Vita game.

[Jekkie]

New trailer and Hayter isn't Big Boss >.>

[Sakonosolo]

Yep, MGSV is a combination of Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain as one game. Phantom Pain part is first apparently. They discussed a bunch of technical stuff which was pretty cool. They use a lot of real life reference, like photographs and stuff for it. The engine looks really cool.

[Jekkie]

Some gameplay

[tarrin4ever]

@Jekkie:

New trailer and Hayter isn't Big Boss >.>

What's this about no Hayter?

[Venomous Warden]

The trailer and gameplay look awesome. But what does this mean for ground zeroes? Its no longer a separate game? And i dont mind a voice change for snake, but this guy sounds even younger than hayter and it feels off IMO.

[Megadoomer]

I wouldn't mind the change (MGS4 spoilers)

! (they'd have to change Big Boss's VA at some point, given that Snake and Big Boss have different voice actors by MGS4) except that this new VA sounds younger than Hayter, and given that Big Boss is supposed to be significantly older, it doesn't really fit.

Also, was that Ocelot on the horse in that trailer? I think it is, but I'm not sure.

[tarrin4ever]

Oh, is that bit of inner monologue at the end supposed to be Big Boss? My brain just assumed that was someone else talking.

[Megadoomer]

I guess? I mean, for all we know, it could be someone else's lines taken out of context, but it's been rumoured that they were getting a new voice actor for Big Boss, and that's the only part of the trailer that would fit.

[Gia Sado]

I feel like…Ground zeroes is everything before the accident, while MGS V is after? Im so confused lol. I dont even know if they are 2 different games anymore.

[desijut]

I thought this was next gen until I saw PS3 and Xbox 360 at the end

[Pochipochi]

Phantom Pain, Ground Zeroes, and MGS5 are the exact same game guys, for the record.

The first open world MGS - the beginning is linear though since it serves as tutorial

• Currently schedulded for Xbox 360 + PS3 (Maybe even next-gen consoles, possible announcement at E3)

• Trailer is in real-time, running on Kojima Production's FOX Engine

• Snake is NOT voiced by Hayter, but by Kiefer Sutherland

• The crazy truth behind Joakim is..

• MGSV = Ground Zeroes + The Phantom Pain

• Snake wakes up 9 years after being in a coma and has lost many of his movement capabilities

• The whole hospital sequence is basically the tutorial of MGSV

• A bandaged man who introduces himself as Ishmael tries to help Snake to escape

It's not like David Hayter is a legitimately great voice actor anymore (MGS4 and Peace Walker weren't much of anything for him), it's just the quality of his voice people liked anyways, and even that just kind of got graveller in a negative way. Iiii'm not really concerned that Snake has a new VA

Other than hating change it won't be too big a deal

It might even be better

[Sakonosolo]

Everything we've seen so far has been running on PC, even the demo that was shown today, so it worries me that nothing has been said of a PC version. I hate that so many companies just use it as a place to show off amazing looking footage and then just ignore everyone who wants to actually play the game on it.

[tatermoog]

I don't get the point of any of the Phantom Pain/Ground Zeroes bait-and-switch. Seems more designed to confuse consumers than conducive for any major goal.

[valiantt]

@tatermoog:

I don't get the point of any of the Phantom Pain/Ground Zeroes bait-and-switch. Seems more designed to confuse consumers than conducive for any major goal.

It got your attention though. Didn't it?

Maybe that was all it was trying to accomplish. It was a clever way of demonstrating the engine/game while being an…interesting publicity stunt.

[tarrin4ever]

@The:

Phantom Pain, Ground Zeroes, and MGS5 are the exact same game guys, for the record.

It's not like David Hayter is a legitimately great voice actor anymore (MGS4 and Peace Walker weren't much of anything for him), it's just the quality of his voice people liked anyways, and even that just kind of got graveller in a negative way. Iiii'm not really concerned that Snake has a new VA

Other than hating change it won't be too big a deal

It might even be better

I just watched the gameplay trailer. I believe ISHMAEL is being played by Kiefer Sutherland.

But yeah, the guy playing Snake definitely aint no Hayter. I'm fine with them changing up Big Boss as he ages. Hayter is more Solid Snake to me than he was Big Boss, but I'd still love to here him cameo.

[Sakonosolo]

People have been saying that Ishmael was Kiefer Sutherland since the original trailer came out. I can't wait to see what role he plays in the game.

[Insider2000]

So what WAS the whole story behind Joakim? Who was the guy in the interviews, cause that clearly wasn't Kojima.

[Sakonosolo]

The two most prevalent theories was that he was rendered in the Fox Engine, or he was Cliffy B. Nothing has been confirmed though. Could have just been some random guy they hired.

[Venomous Warden]

So it looks like after he escapes the attack at the hospital snake forms a group called the diamond dogs which we see a small bit of at the end of the trailer. He also appears to have the same kind of mechanical hand zadornav had, along with a shard of shrapnel stuck in his head as well (ouch).


[Sakonosolo]

The song in the trailer is the 5th song on the 5th album by that band. Also at the end of the trailer someone says "V has come to", V meaning "the fifth" in this instance I would imagine. I don't remember too much from the earlier games but we know of 3 clones from Les Enfants Terribles: Solid Snake, Liquid Snake, and Solidus Snake but I think it was mentioned that there were more that were failures. This doesn't really make much sense in the current timeline where we are but I wonder what they mean with that phrase, as 5 seems to be pretty important.

There's also a lot of Moby Dick references which you guys probably already know about. Ishmael is Ishmael, Big Boss is Ahab, XOF is the whale, etc. Big Boss is going to go crazy chasing after revenge in some way I would imagine, and it fits with the canon from the first two MG games.

Also, I think Big Boss had a mechanical arm in MG1 so that fits with everything as well.

Edit: Also, the guy that saves BB and has the horse is Ocelot.

[baby-boo]

When the doctor says that Big Boss has slipped into a coma, Kaz asks, "How about him?" And then the camera zooms out to reveal a the corner of a third bed, but don't show the body. Must be someone of importance.

I'm confused as to where to place some of the Ground Zeroes footage. In this trailer, we saw his base out in the ocean, Mother Base, burn, and we saw him gravely wounded. I assume that leads to him slipping into a coma, and Kojima said that Phantom Pain starts in the hospital.

And in the Ground Zeroes trailer, Snake's wearing gloves, so no way to tell if he has his actual arm or if it's robotic, but that little boy sure looks like Chico from Peace Walker, and then a few minutes later they mention the name Chico in a conversation. In these nine years I would expect Chico to grow up a lot more than that, though the "connecting the walkmen to your body" thing is weird. Robot? Unless that isn't Chico, and they're rescuing a much older Chicho.

Anyway, if Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain are simply one game in the same, then I'd expect to have gameplay through flashbacks or something to tell what happened to Big Boss. Unless, what Kojima means by one game, is that it's like two episodes: first up you play the Ground Zeroes storyline, and then the Phantom Pain one. In which case we already know how Ground Zeroes would end ….

Arghhhh!!!!

[DarthAsthma]

the gdc press conference with kojima

http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=the-core-of-mgs-ground-zeroes-20130327

[Sakonosolo]

From what I can gather, baby-boo, from not having played PW yet, the game probably starts in the hospital and everything but then flashes back. BB goes to save Chico but while he's doing that the burned guy and his soldiers go and destroy Mother Base, and this is what causes BB to go into a coma in the hospital. He then wakes up 9 years later, escapes the hospital (which you do in the tutorial) and then is rescued by Ocelot and forms the Diamond Dogs.

Also, the third guy is Ishmael. Miller, BB, and Ishmael are the people at the hospital in the opening.

[MarcelloF]

Yeah, the scene we saw before from Ground Zeroes can't be nine years later as Chico is still a kid.

Now we know the takes place in 1983 the earliest, though. We're really close to the original Metal Gear now.

I don't like the new voice for Snake. It's doesn't sound right at all. The trailer was great, though. MGS usually has great ones, though.

[Gia Sado]

Apparently GZ and TPP are two different games but make up MGS5 all together: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/27/the-phantom-pain-and-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games/

[Venomous Warden]

@Gia:

Apparently GZ and TPP are two different games but make up MGS5 all together: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/27/the-phantom-pain-and-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games/

I don't know what to think with the mixed messages we are getting. E3 will hopefully clear this up, but as per usual we end up with some things answered while ending up with more questions after.

[Jekkie]

Kojima interview

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/84h9k6/metal-gear-solid-v–the-phantom-pain-kojima-interview

[Buuhan1]

@Gia:

Apparently GZ and TPP are two different games but make up MGS5 all together: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/27/the-phantom-pain-and-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games/

I'm not sure what that guy is saying, everything that has been shown and said at Kojima's GDC conference states it's a single game, MGSV. If Kojipro turns out stupid enough to actually split them then they can expect a very negative reaction.

[Matt Adler]

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/84h9k6/metal-gear-solid-v–the-phantom-pain-kojima-interview

Big points:
-Game takes place immediately after PW
-GZ is the prologue, PP comes 9 years later and is much, much larger (open world)
-Two games that make up MGS5, but he would not comment on how it would be distributed (I.E. together or separately).
-David Hayter is out as MGS5 is reinventing/re-imagining the series, so they wanted a new voice
-New voice actor was not confirmed aside from that it is not David Hayter
-Joakim Mogren was indeed a real person, not CG
-There will be a ton of new characters
-Snake has bone and fragments in his skull as seen at the end of the trailer
-Changed game numeral from numbers to roman numerals; the "V" is for 'victory' and is to demonstrate their will for victory
-Kojima would not comment on if the game will be available on next-gen platforms yet, but it will be on PS3 and 360
-Game developed on PC environment with current gen consoles in mind
-Different from past MGS games and not the traditional stealth found in the previous games

[Sakonosolo]

I just want confirmation that the game's going to be released on PC, not just developed on it and then never released.

[NER]

The last trailer made me cry.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I NEED A TIME MACHINE SO I CAN GO TO THE FUTURE AND PLAY IT ALREADY.

Its gonna be the greatest game ever, mark my words.

[tatermoog]

The "two games" thing is weird. I had assumed that we were just talking Tanker/Big Shell in MGS2, but they're being a bit more evasive on that than I expected.

[Gia Sado]

well now its apparently confirmed that GZ will be release before TPP but both will be MGS5 as a whole. http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/29/4160480/metal-gear-solid-5-phantom-pain-ground-zeroes-prologue The open world in GZ is a different location and probably smaller than the Phantom Pain, which is apparently much larger.
"[[I]Ground Zeroes will] allow the user to jump in, learn how to sneak in real time in that world, that open world," Kojima explained. "And then later on, after they kind of get used to that, then Phantom Pain will come along, and they'll be thrown into this huge, gigantic open world."

If thats the case ill prob just wait for the whole package lol.

EDIT: Listening to the interview, it is confirmed that Ground zeroes will definitely be open world, but on a smaller scale than TPP and will come out first.

[Mr. Zoro]

@Matt:

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/84h9k6/metal-gear-solid-v–the-phantom-pain-kojima-interview
-David Hayter is out as MGS5 is reinventing/re-imagining the series, so they wanted a new voice

I'm not all that bothered by Hayter leaving (but I will miss him), but I don't see why reinventing/re-imagining a series has to involve changing voice actors. They may as well have changed Miller's voice actor for that matter.

Despite that quibble, I'm excited to see how the open world aspect is going to work out.