I don't think it's very likely, since it would probably make Monet really OPed, but I would like to see her having a mythical-zoan DF. We haven't seen them enough in the storyline other than Marco's DF, since Sengoku did jack all during the Marineford war. Well, one can hope right?
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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Which mythical zoan do you prefer?
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Well, she is a harpy after all, and harpies from what I've heard are mythical beings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy). The secondary element (non-zoan element, such as Marco's blue flames) could be wind, since the wikipedia article mentions a few things about wind. Could possibly be a Tori Tori no mi (Bird) Model, or something that hasn't been introduced so far. Just a thought.
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Or it could be something stranger because CC mentioned that she has been following Law, and he would expect bird or a harpy.
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why everyone wants always mythical zoan? hell just stay with a god damn standart zoan or at best a ancient zoan. Lets keep the rare things rare. She still could use wind as a normal bird zoan.
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I don't know, it would be hard following Law around and spying on him as a large bird.
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harpy's being natural predators could probably mask their presence, not to mention probably have incredible eyesight. I see no problem with her flying a mile over PH and following his movements, i don't know if it was a mistranslation or not though but i think in the last chapter CC said something about him knowing everything Law said. And as good as her eyesight may be i doubt her ears would be that incredible so it sort of contradicts that idea.
Maybe she has a zoan model: den den mushi. She can become a small microphone and glue herself to people. The wings are just an accident that happened while CC was experimenting on her fruit powers. cough
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Taking the logical route, that her bird limbs are the result of her Zoan powers, then she's probably just the final flying Devil Fruit. What model? Who knows, but I don't think it will be a Mythological Zoan. The story I most associate with harpies is the one where they just kept that one old king from eating food until the Argonauts showed up and then two flying brothers murdered them pretty easily… and most Greek mythical monsters sort of suck for Mythological Zoans, if only because most of the time they were just two or three animals mashed together... which is what most Zoan fruits end up doing anyway.
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Actually (I think this is the first time I contradict Beowulf89) I would say that the most logical route about Monet and her unknown DF is that it isn't bird zoan, if it was she would've changed to human long time ago.
My theory is that the DF (whatever it may be) is not associated with her appearance or ability to fly. The thought is the following: Monet has the DF X (Zoan of Haki or whatever your theories are) and she had it before Law came to the island. Once he came she took advantage of the chance and made him modify her for flight (so to speak). This way she can "cheat" and have 2 abilities at the same time.
I won't suggest that she has Absaloms ability (Although I would if Ab-sama hadn't shown up) nor will I theorize about a stealth fruit (Because no one would ever find it, HA!) but she might have an ability that makes it easier for her to spy from high altitudes (Epic eyesight no mi?)
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Actually (I think this is the first time I contradict Beowulf89) I would say that the most logical route about Monet and her unknown DF is that it isn't bird zoan, if it was she would've changed to human long time ago.
My theory is that the DF (whatever it may be) is not associated with her appearance or ability to fly. The thought is the following: Monet has the DF X (Zoan of Haki or whatever your theories are) and she had it before Law came to the island. Once he came she took advantage of the chance and made him modify her for flight (so to speak). This way she can "cheat" and have 2 abilities at the same time.
I won't suggest that she has Absaloms ability (Although I would if Ab-sama hadn't shown up) nor will I theorize about a stealth fruit (Because no one would ever find it, HA!) but she might have an ability that makes it easier for her to spy from high altitudes (Epic eyesight no mi?)
I agree wholeheartedly, Law modified her body and before he came to the island she, most likely had a parameica type fruit.
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She can't be a paramecia if she "transforms". she is most likely a mythical zoan type because harpies are mythological creatures.
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She can't be a paramecia if she "transforms". she is most likely a mythical zoan type because harpies are mythological creatures.
By that logic, Jabra actually has the mythical Werewolf Zoan Devil Fruit because he can turn into a Werewolf.
It's possible to look like an Harpy by just having a regular bird fruit and going hybrid form.
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Not sure if this would even work, and is pretty unlikely..
What if she actually is just some type of zoan fruit user (without Law knowing), and had him operate on her to give her wings and such on top of having that fruits ability..?
I still think she's just some bird zoan though..
Having discussions on whether or not we have 2 mythical zoans on the very first island of the New World seems pretty far fetched, even for Oda.
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By that logic, Jabra actually has the mythical Werewolf Zoan Devil Fruit because he can turn into a Werewolf.
It's possible to look like an Harpy by just having a regular bird fruit and going hybrid form.
Jabra wasn't a werewolf, he was just a wolf. it was stated that mone is a harpy.
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Jabra wasn't a werewolf, he was just a wolf. it was stated that mone is a harpy.
Way to completely miss the point.
Monet's Harpy appearance could be just a result of her hybrid form that all Zoan users have. She would only need to eat a regular Tori Tori no Mi and go hybrid. Instant Harpy right there.
Jabra is a wolf, but when he goes hybrid, he becomes a Werewolf, which is a mythical creature, but he's not a Mythical Zoan, is he?
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Way to completely miss the point.
Monet's Harpy appearance could be just a result of her hybrid form that all Zoan users have. She would only need to eat a regular Tori Tori no Mi and go hybrid. Instant Harpy right there.
Jabra is a wolf, but when he goes hybrid, he becomes a Werewolf, which is a mythical creature, but he's not a Mythical Zoan, is he?
I thought werewolf only change on a full moon.
but if thats not the case then why didn't they call him werewolf jabra instead of just jabra but they introduced monet as "harpy monet"
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Which makes me think that it's her nickname as opposed to any sort of hint to her Devil Fruit.
Another example: Minotaurus had a form similar to the Minotaur, but he didn't have a mythical zoan fruit.
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I wouldn't mind the reverse form: a bird that ate the Hito Hito no Mi: model Female…
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There really nothing that states she has a Zoan fruit, her bird apendagess are most likely a product of the Ope Ope no mi.
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@Superbear:
There really nothing that states she has a Zoan fruit, her bird apendagess are most likely a product of the Ope Ope no mi.
Maybe but we know she has a DF or else she couldn't transform and follow Law (unless that's a mistranslation)
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Interesting theory of Gregs I heard on the OP Podcast; The Sara Sara no Mi, Model: Axolotl, that was revealed to be in the possession of Smiley is actually worth noting. The Sara Sara or Sala Sala part is short for salamander, and since Dragons are referred to as salamanders in games such as Dungeons and Dragons, this fruit could very much be hinting at a Dragon Zoan Devil Fruit. Also backing this up is the Model part of its name meaning that there is different types of Sala Sala fruits.
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I don't want Monet to have a Zoan fruit. That's just way too easy. Harpy with some unrelated DF ability would be nice. But she does look a lot like secretary bird, so probably zoan it is.
Also isn't there specific mystical salamander creature? Like a big wingless lizard that lives in lake of fire.
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@Superbear:
There really nothing that states she has a Zoan fruit, her bird apendagess are most likely a product of the Ope Ope no mi.
then how did she "transform" in the latest chapter?
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I just wanted to give my thoughts on a regular human eating the Axolotl zoan:
Just to start I would like to point out that against popular belief I think that the Axolotl DF wouldn't be so useless after all. The Hybrid form most likely isn't gilled but still features the Axolotls outstanding regeneration abilities.
And although the Axolotl as an animal doesn't have any note worthy combat-like skills the user could most likely improvise something as we have already seen DF users make the best out of seemingly weak abilities (Rubber, Giraffe, Kumas push-push fruit).
In full transformation (aka full form) we could speculate about the user holing his breath for the time he is transformed, revert, take big breath, re-transform.
In case of the user being pushed into the water he could fully transform and survive for unlimited time underwater. Obviously he would only profit form this if he for example had a fishman as a partner that would take him out of the water.
I can see that the fruit isn't one of the best but my point is that it is still far from useless. But as the fruit is consumed by a mass of poisonous gas we can only speculate about how the fruit would be used if it had a human consumer.
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@nodensuke:
Your lack of useful posts is baffling.
I cannot take you seriously with that avatar because it looks like something a 5 year old would use lol.
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I just wanted to give my thoughts on a regular human eating the Axolotl zoan:
Just to start I would like to point out that against popular belief I think that the Axolotl DF wouldn't be so useless after all. The Hybrid form most likely isn't gilled but still features the Axolotls outstanding regeneration abilities.
And although the Axolotl as an animal doesn't have any note worthy combat-like skills the user could most likely improvise something as we have already seen DF users make the best out of seemingly weak abilities (Rubber, Giraffe, Kumas push-push fruit).
In full transformation (aka full form) we could speculate about the user holing his breath for the time he is transformed, revert, take big breath, re-transform.
In case of the user being pushed into the water he could fully transform and survive for unlimited time underwater. Obviously he would only profit form this if he for example had a fishman as a partner that would take him out of the water.
I can see that the fruit isn't one of the best but my point is that it is still far from useless. But as the fruit is consumed by a mass of poisonous gas we can only speculate about how the fruit would be used if it had a human consumer.
If the user is a land animal/human it does not need to hold its breath just like how Chopper can talk to animals and humans!
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@Law:
I cannot take you seriously with that avatar because it looks like something a 5 year old would use lol.
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@Law:
I cannot take you seriously with that avatar because it looks like something a 5 year old would use lol.
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If the user is a land animal/human it does not need to hold its breath just like how Chopper can talk to animals and humans!
Um, if the user has gills in his full transformation he would be pretty obliged to hold his breath if he wants to live. Care to read my post again?
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Um, if the user has gills in his full transformation he would be pretty obliged to hold his breath if he wants to live. Care to read my post again?
But it's not complete transformation. Zoans still retain some human features even in full form, so I think original user lungs would remain intact.
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But it's not complete transformation. Zoans still retain some human features even in full form, so I think original user lungs would remain intact.
Thinking about it I agree to your point. Okay, then there are no uselessness whatsoever in having the Axolotl DF.
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Thinking about it I agree to your point. Okay, then there are no uselessness whatsoever in having the Axolotl DF.
It's still kinda useless.. Unless it has those axolotl regenerative abilities…but user should be decent fighter in his own right to use that as an advantage
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To put it another way, it's no more useless than a cow or zebra Zoan Fruit. A bit better, really, what with the regeneration.
Unfortunately, it's probably not Hollywood regeneration, and more like: very effecient healing. Still, being able to throw yourself into combat without fear of permanent injury is pretty good.
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In case of the user being pushed into the water he could fully transform and survive for unlimited time underwater. Obviously he would only profit form this if he for example had a fishman as a partner that would take him out of the water..
well he could also swim freely under non-sea water likes lake or rivers.
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You all seem to have excellent points that I have missed
Its nice to see that it's a pretty common opinion that the Axolotl Zoan is far from useless.
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@Superbear:
There really nothing that states she has a Zoan fruit, her bird apendagess are most likely a product of the Ope Ope no mi.
The likeliness of that isn't "most likely". Your ignoring all what's happened that point that she has a devil fruit - be it Zoan or Paramecia - but whatever, there's a lo tof evidence that she has a Devil Fruit.
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@O:
well he could also swim freely under non-sea water likes lake or rivers.
A DF user will sink in any body of water, not only the sea.
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Nami was puzzled on how Kalifa managed to move freely will submerged in a bathtub, hinting that any body of water can weaken a Devil Fruit user.
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@400MillionBelis:
Nami was puzzled on how Kalifa managed to move freely will submerged in a bathtub, hinting that any body of water can weaken a Devil Fruit user.
Oda responded to this in an SBS saying that if you're up to your waist before it really effects you, which is probably why Luffy and Robin could use their DF abilities underwater because they were only using one or two limbs. Though he has made this confusing with stuff like Kalifa and Boa taking baths then Luffy falls on his back in the bathtub but is able to get up. Still Kalifa's bath could have been mostly bubbles meaning she'd be fine. This stuff is confusing and ends up causing arguments LOL.
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A DF user will sink in any body of water, not only the sea.
That gets me thinking…If a fishman eats a devil fruit would he still be able to breath underwater?
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That gets me thinking…If a fishman eats a devil fruit would he still be able to breath underwater?
Vander Decken ate a Devil Fruit - we assume he can't swim.
Though what puzzles me is what happened with Smiley at the Sea Lake - I don't know if he swam across it or was trying to get out of it.
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Um, if the user has gills in his full transformation he would be pretty obliged to hold his breath if he wants to live. Care to read my post again?
Since when did Chopper turn into a complete human?
he ate the human human fruit so he can take a human shape and speak to humans but by your logic he should not have fur,horns,ect anymore!Even in Impel down the zoans there did not lose all of their old features when they went into their full form!
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@400MillionBelis:
Vander Decken ate a Devil Fruit - we assume he can't swim.
Though what puzzles me is what happened with Smiley at the Sea Lake - I don't know if he swam across it or was trying to get out of it.
If you go look at the pictures he was shooting himself across the water also i am sure it also said more than 1 time he was doing it as well
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That gets me thinking…If a fishman eats a devil fruit would he still be able to breath underwater?
he can but cannot swim however he was seen walking underwater when he was bubble coated.
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@400MillionBelis:
The likeliness of that isn't "most likely". Your ignoring all what's happened that point that she has a devil fruit - be it Zoan or Paramecia - but whatever, there's a lo tof evidence that she has a Devil Fruit.
Yeah she probably has a devil fruit but there's nothing that suggests that she's a bird because of her own power, nor does anything really suggest that she has a Zoan. I wasn't denying that she had a fruit, I just don't think its a zoan.
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@Superbear:
Yeah she probably has a devil fruit but there's nothing that suggests that she's a bird because of her own power, nor does anything really suggest that she has a Zoan. I wasn't denying that she had a fruit, I just don't think its a zoan.
- The main evidence is Caesar telling Law that Monet was smart enough to transform and follow Law with his interactions with Luffy
- Monet's wings have a light lime green on the tips of it - suggesting that the wings are from her
- She has been shown without wings or claws twice; despite both being in flash backs, which was obviously done to makes us speculate about Monet even more, the most recent aspect we've learned about her is that she transforms. From now on, we can assume that she could have possible only retracted her Devil Powers during the flashbacks.
- Marco learned the ability to changed specific parts of the body; he managed to somehow only change his arms to wings and his feet to claws - similar to these
- Unless she has the ability to grow parts that isn't hers, similar to Robin's but just the opposite; she has some kind of ability like Wapol's were she can add outside material to her body, or has another knock-off on chopping body parts, I don't see how she can be a paramecia. She definitely can't be a Logia…unless Oda decides that a bird can be an element, and Monet can create birds. It leaves non-other than a Zoan.
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@Law:
Since when did Chopper turn into a complete human?
he ate the human human fruit so he can take a human shape and speak to humans but by your logic he should not have fur,horns,ect anymore!Even in Impel down the zoans there did not lose all of their old features when they went into their full form!
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If you go look at the pictures he was shooting himself across the water also i am sure it also said more than 1 time he was doing it as well
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he can but cannot swim however he was seen walking underwater when he was bubble coated.
To start off, Chopper doesn't have horns in his Heavy Point.
Now to continue, gills aren't = to 100% Axolotl. The user could've grown gills but for example still walk straight in his full transformation.
However, 1 page back we already discussed this.
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@400MillionBelis:
- The main evidence is Caesar telling Law that Monet was smart enough to transform and follow Law with his interactions with Luffy
- Monet's wings have a light lime green on the tips of it - suggesting that the wings are from her
- She has been shown without wings or claws twice; despite both being in flash backs, which was obviously done to makes us speculate about Monet even more, the most recent aspect we've learned about her is that she transforms. From now on, we can assume that she could have possible only retracted her Devil Powers during the flashbacks.
- Marco learned the ability to changed specific parts of the body; he managed to somehow only change his arms to wings and his feet to claws - similar to these
- Unless she has the ability to grow parts that isn't hers, similar to Robin's but just the opposite; she has some kind of ability like Wapol's were she can add outside material to her body, or has another knock-off on chopping body parts, I don't see how she can be a paramecia. She definitely can't be a Logia…unless Oda decides that a bird can be an element, and Monet can create birds. It leaves non-other than a Zoan.
The flash back takes place before Law has made any modification to the residents of Punk Hazard. All devil fruit types have users in them that can change form.
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Yeah, but we only know of… what, two Paramecia Fruits that could apply effective disguises. If Monet can transform into a, let's say, stone bird-woman, that wouldn't really help her in avoiding Law's notice. Keep in mind, both he and at least Luffy and Sanji are Observation Haki users, with Zoro probably having some skill in it as well. So it's not even a question of her being stealthy. We've seen that the 'radar' powers of Observation Haki can be blocked if the target is 'hidden' in something completely, like when Luffy was eaten by the giant snake in Skypiea.
Also, I'm not sure but I'd have to guess that if Monet did receive transplants from overly large bird, her Devil Fruit powers probably won't apply to them. So if she is a 'transforming' type, then she'll always have those weird bird limbs sticking out of her drill-body or flat-body or whatever her power is. Which sort of ruins most stealth attempts.
If she's a bird type Zoan, then she could just transform into a bird, fly in the air outside the range of any Observation Haki radars and spy on Law that way. Really, we should comb those chapters looking for any hint of her. Oda would LOVE to do that sort of thing.
Or... wait, was Eneru's radar Observation due to interaction with his Fruit?
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we should comb those chapters looking for any hint of her.
There is nothing like that there. Unless she turns to snow. There is some weird panel in 668 page 6 bottom left. Can't comprehend what pictured there. But that's all
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Would a snow Logia be viable? I know we already have Aokiji with his ice, but the co-existence of the Moku Moku no Mi and the Gasu Gasu no Mi makes me think that Oda is not against reusing elements as long as they aren't completely similar.
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Probably snow logia can't freeze things as such, but can create blizzards. That would be a good twist. It would also explain how she moves through frozen wasteland wearing only tank top and shorts. Anyway I had a thought that Oda might put a clue somewhere there, but either he did not or I'm blind (which is equally possible)