Well grate thanks for getting my hopes up
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I could make a rant about Negima but is it really worth it? I won't have a lot to say. My stance on the issue is not very complex. The ending was great except for the fact that it's missing the rest of the manga and I hate it for it. Hmm…maybe I'll try to write something about the series as a whole one of these days.
have you guys seen this:
sorry if it's old
Yeah, I've seen it, but as far as I know it hasn't been posted here. I prefer the other video more though personally since he talks a bit about his process.
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So here is the final Volume cover:
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In before a TLC comment on Ken spending more effort on this cover than the actual ending
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Loads of characters.jpg
Looks a lot like "negima38.jpg" to me. :P
Oh, it looks like a marriage ceremony!
Holy fuck that's a lot of characters. Well now I know how many negima volumes I'll need
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No, Akamatsu. There's a difference between leaving an open-ended ending and flat out dropping the ball and you crossed the line. At least he acknowledges that he left a shit-load of stuff unresolved. At this point, he OWES the fans a revival.
Sorry Akamatsu. An open-ending and and a conclusive shitty rushed ending are two different things. You blatantly opted for the later. "there's still alternate worlds!" ain't cutting it as an excuse.
I mean, if Akamatsu had just ended the magical world arc, did a chapter or two of wrap up and then said "Okay, after 10 years of barely made deadlines, I need to take a break now for a little while, Negima is going to go on hiatus for a while, maybe 6 months, maybe a year, however long it takes to recharge and build up a buffer, then its coming back for the final two-five year arc", that would have been fine and acceptable. Lame, but acceptable. We all could have accepted a Negima Z/Shippuden/New World, that would have been fine.
But going "Okay, and uhm, lets skip six months of character stuff… and then launch into a rushed ending for Asuna... then retcon it a chapter later.... and then timeskip everything the series has been leading up to, have the love triangles resolved off camera but not give a real official answer, and the ultimate final battle, and then joke about all the material I skipped!" is just... no. He really, really killed all the good will he built up.
If he's already second guessing what he did just a month or two later, then yeah, he's totally aware he blew it.
I mean, I own 30 of the volumes... and I just have no heart or motivation at all to buy the last 8.
Hey it would be great if I could recommend Negima to people again.
I was gonna reread the entire series once it ended, I promised myself that I wouldn't start rereading it till it did. Have it all ready in one nice package. But now I haven't had the energy to look at the series since then. I mean what's the point of getting invested in any of it at all if it's gonna lead to fuck all? Every good thing, every enjoyable moment, every cool character has been tainted by this feeling of ugh and pointlessness and more ugh!
I guess I could forgive him if he tries again and gives us the 2-5 years of material he owes the fans (and let's not get into entitlement issues, he causes us to become so invested and then kicks us in the groin? He owes us), his series was that good for me.
But I'll just say that no matter how well-written and fun and in the spirit of Negima it may be, if he does a revival a la some sort of reboot where he tells the story from the perspective of some other dimension, I'm gonna be fucking pissed. I don't care about the other 1000 dimensions. I want the proper and full story told of our dimension, the dimension we were introduced to, the dimension with the characters whose hopes and dreams and aspirations we became invested in and nothing else!!!
Best case scenario he goes the Battle Angel or Shaman King route and just says "okay, I needed to stop when I did, but now I'm fresh… pretend the last volume didn't happen, this is the NEW volume 38, starting after chapter X" and then go from there.
But I doubt it. It really just sounds like he intends to, at some point, do a completely random 1 shot volume, or 1 chapter stories that use the character designs and world and name recognition without the burden of continuity. That's a lot to imply from a short statement, I know, but... what has he left us with to assume otherwise?
Not like the animes and live show didn't already retell the story 3 different ways anyway.
I was kinda hoping to start reading this series,i read a few things about it and i was looking foward to it,did ending ruined all experience you guys had while reading the series?
(For the few responses i read here about it i guess it did)
Im probably still going to read it since im curious about it and for art that i have seen i think im going to like it (but first i have to finish Bakuman ).
I was kinda hoping to start reading this series,i read a few things about it and i was looking foward to it,did ending ruined all experience you guys had while reading the series?
The series is great, but the ending absolutely ruins it, there's no getting around it. It's pretty much impossible to recommend anymore, despite how great it was during its run.
Its not that its an ending we disagree with or anything… it's not a matter of taste or opinion, its that its a super rushed ending that cuts out the last 4 years of the series.
The closest equivilent would be if say, in One Piece, you were reading the series and just finished the Arlong arc, and got to Little Garden and started hinting at Crocodile...
and then there was a label that said "10 years later" and in ONE CHAPTER suddenly the crew has 7 more people in it, (including Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook) all the designs are post timeskip, all the characters were talking about how epic it was when they beat the shichibukai, and the emporers (who hadn't even appeared in the series yet!) that time they went to skypiea an beat up God, when Merry died, when they beat the admirals and found the one piece (but without saying what One Piece actually was), when they met Laboon again, how great it was when Sanji got married, how awesome all the Supernovas were, and then Nami randomly loses her clothes for no reason.
THAT is how Negima ends. Right now it finishes a big arc, starts building up to the final arc, and then just does a time skip and says "the end" skipping the development on literally half the cast and the entire final half of the story.
Its a good series, it was on its way to being one of the all time greats, but the ending just absolutely destroys it in the worst way possible.
^ Wow, that's a superb analogy. It really hits hard and makes me realise just how much was thrown away.
Fantastic post Robby. I don't think it could be said any better.
Since you put it that way Robby the ending does suck
Same analogy works for Young Justice…
But at least YJ is still sorta entertaining...
No, its a COMPLETELY different case with YJ. YJ did the skip with an entire season in front of them, with the intent of shaking things up, raising questions and then answering them and showing in depth how they got there without having a dozen placeholder episodes. I still don't like it, but the intent is very very different… they're showing what happened and the follow up. Just not in traditional linear fashion.
Negima just skipped it entirely with no intent of ever expounding on what it teased.
That's why I said YJ is still entertaining. You said it exactly to a T.
http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-proposed-japanese-law-reason-ken.html
Well, that explains that. People had speculated that his digital j-comi line might have had something to do with it, and it does. Sort of.
Basically, Negima ended due to argument over the future copyright.
right now the biggest thing that occupied most of Ken's time (at least on twitter) is his fight against publishers, which including Kodansha, in trying to impose a new law by creating "neighboring copyright", for people who are not creator but has a hand in "helping" the creation of the work gets automatic right, meaning editors, researchers, printers, etc. or plain speaking, a power grab by the publishers to take right away from the author, this is something VERY SERIOUS and has long unforeseen consequences if pass through, (the publisher can and will go after second hand creation/dojin without need to ask the permission of the author, etc. (it was one of the state benefits of this law) meaning the end of dojinshi as we know it., or after a serial is over the author can not retain exclusive right to it while the publisher can hold onto to it forever to keep making money for itself, etc.) and Japanese works readers (be it novel or manga) need to pay attention to this development just like the Tokyo Child Protection law,
[sic] there were two Kodansha editors for the showdown debate with Ken in "explaining" the neighboring copyright law, Ken brought George Morikawa, the author of Hajime no Ippo with him in case he needs some muscle backup. one of the editor were together with Ken in opposing the Tokyo Child Protection Law.
Kodansha's position:
publisher will share "equal" copyright with author. because it helps the mangaka to promo, typeset, proofread, research, edit, and printing the manga, and by having the right automatically, the publisher can:
1. when there is going to be an e-book release of the same paper product, no longer need a second negotiation one by one again for the right, which can speed things up.
2. the publisher can go after pirate and 2nd creation violator without spend time consulting the author in the first place, again speed things up.
Ken's reply for #1 is the current contract model works fast enough, no need to give publisher extra right, for #2 all it takes is a phone call between publisher and author.
and the danger for #2 of course is all dojinsh and all 2nd hand creation will cease to exist, Kodansha did say clearly, that it is their goal with this law to go after places like PIXIV and Toranoana, (basically, like how Disney operates.) but what happen as in the case of Ken, who gives his approval and don't want them to be sued?
Ken's position:
1. what happen if the publisher went under, and the right falls into some strange debtor?
2. if an old manga is to be republished (paper or e-book) on another publisher than the original one, what would happen if there is interference from the old publisher?
(Kodansha guarantees this won't happen, but of course Kodansha cannot promise the same for all the other publishers, this is quite important for Ken when you consider the nature of J-Comi.)3. even with this law, there is no way to stop the pirating.
4. too many people who own the same right will only complicate things
Kodansha's reply: they can't answer Ken's questions, they admit, while this law would be convenient for the publisher, they can't find a reasonable argument to convince all authors,
the truth is, the original proposal is not from the manga industry, but pushed by the literature fiction sector to Japanese culture ministry, or course then you have unforeseen problem developed across the board, Ken's argument is this law's benefits can be achieved with current model, and to give the publisher the extra right is too dangerous.
I happen to agree with Ken on this. Japanese (or substitute any other nations under the sun) government officials and legislators are a bunch of idiots.
Explains Claymore as well.
Okay Akamatsu, I guess you can be forgiven. As long as you actually do the proper finale someday.
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So he decided to end Negima short so this law wouldn't effect it if it ever comes to pass...
Okay...he has a pass for now...Im with Robby
He ended it so he could get all his assets into his own possession, yes. Id what the article says is true, basically he ended it early so Kodansha wouldn't publish anything after the law… or without giving him a specific contract guaranteeing his ownership.
The law basically wants to turn the manga inustry into the american comics industry, where new creators can take over after the old ones are done, and they can harass the doujin community (which has generally been avoided since the doujin community creates the future creators.) Basically another misguided attempt to stop piracy that... really does nothing to stop piracy.
Also means that it isn't pure burnout stopping him, and maybe his final note in his farewell was sincere about showing off more someday?
Well, hopefully it'll go the Battle Angel/Shaman King route then.
@RobbyBevard:
He ended it so he could get all his assets into his own possession, yes. Id what the article says is true, basically he ended it early so Kodansha wouldn't publish anything after the law… or without giving him a specific contract guaranteeing his ownership.
The law basically wants to turn the manga inustry into the american comics industry, where new creators can take over after the old ones are done, and they can harass the doujin community (which has generally been avoided since the doujin community creates the future creators.) Basically another misguided attempt to stop piracy that... really does nothing to stop piracy.
Also means that it isn't pure burnout stopping him, and maybe his final note in his farewell was sincere about showing off more someday?
Well, hopefully it'll go the Battle Angel/Shaman King route then.
Ah, I understand.
As much as I like American comics, manga is a different animal entirely, where the manga is done when the author that started it finishes it. Sometimes stories really do need to end…
I hope as well for a Negima Next/Gaiden/GT...
I KNEW SOMETHING WAS FISHY ABOUT THAT ENDING, I JUST KNEW IT!!! It never made sense to me why someone who was planning to end a series would not only leave so many substantial plot points unanswered but casually and continuously add new ones like the series had all the time in the world (giving new character pactios for one thing). The sudden ending was just so unnatural and abnormal and reeked of administrative meddling. It's glad to have confirmation that this is so. The twist gives a whole new light to things. It's not that Akamatsu didn't give a shit (and really, with such a deep, rich world with such wonderfully developed characters, it made no sense that he didn't, that was always the other big contradiction with the sudden ending), it's that his hands were tied by company douchebaggery. I'm pretty happy with this turn of events (and feeling pissed off but at least it's a different, better kind of pissed off aimed at a bunch of nameless assholes rather than the author who I really love).
Like Robby, I can and do forgive him. But he really needs to restart the story again someday (preferably from before the first time-skip, the 7 month one, I wanna see what happened on Christmas and Valentines day and what the twins did!). He owes it not just to the fans but to himself and the wonderful world he's created and the wonderful characters he's created. This series is too great (has the potential to be one of the all-time greats) to have been killed off by outside politics. But I think he understands that given his recent comments on picking it up again so there is a substantial amount of hope now. Fingers crossed.
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@RobbyBevard:
The law basically wants to turn the manga inustry into the american comics industry, where new creators can take over after the old ones are done, and they can harass the doujin community (which has generally been avoided since the doujin community creates the future creators.) Basically another misguided attempt to stop piracy that… really does nothing to stop piracy.
Ugh that would totally blow. No offense to your industry of course Robby and I'll be the first to admit that I have no real experience with this but for the main-stream stuff…you can't really take whatever happens in the stories seriously. There are tons of great stories but never any finality to them. Character deaths? They'll be back next issue. World-changing events? Just do a deal with the devil to reset everything back to zero. It kinda works for super hero comics because to me, it seems it's more about the iconic characters and their shit-load of adventures but the manga industry seems to have more of an emphasis on diversity and getting new creative blood instead of rehashing character X. At least that's what it seems to me, I'll be the first one to admit that I'm wrong but just imagine One Piece after Oda was done with it and the story was long done and a random author just picks it up and forces a new pointless filler of an adventure to the island of Dicks or something. And we'd have to accept it as canon? Scary thought.
Ah, I understand.
As much as I like American comics, manga is a different animal entirely, where the manga is done when the author that started it finishes it. Sometimes stories really do need to end…
I hope as well for a Negima Next/Gaiden/GT…
Please not GT.
@Thousand:
Please not GT.
You know what I meant…just the first thing that came to mind...although you are right...
Claymore is harder to forgive since they could have reached a real ending by this point if they'd treated the last year differently.
I don't think there's any actual confirmation that it ended yet.
Tha post is already two months old and it didn't get to this thread until now. Weird, I remember reading it here.
Also, there are already early spoilers for Claymore coming out, so.
Tha post is already two months old and it didn't get to this thread until now. Weird, I remember reading it here.
You might have, but it didn't make it to this thread at least. this thing was silent for a month after the ending.
Also, there are already early spoilers for Claymore coming out, so.
So just the editor being a complete puts with putting "the end" on it last chapter?
"Will they survive?!?"
@Thousand:
"Will they survive?!?"
never did like those notes…
the editor is a genius for writing "the end" on the last chapter.
Hey we are dropping ratings, guys.
np, just write "the end" on the chapter, watch people freak out.
It will be great for publicity.
I heard rumours earlier in the week about the upcoming copyright law, but I never found a source for it, so kudos to Robby for digging that up. It's VERY enlightening about an issue that was seemingly under-reported by major news outlets but of OUTRAGEOUS and far-reaching, un-forseen consequences.
so will ODA stop or put on hold ONE piece too if this law gets any closer to passing? Im pretty sure hes probably not happy with the law, and he would have some sway if he stopped one piece for a month or so. shit would get changed quickly
I think Oda is too important for Shuesha to even consider messing with him in terms of his contract… but at the same time, for the same reasons, Oda isn't in a place to mess with them either. terrorism is NEVER a good bargaining position.
Meanwhile, no one else at Jump save maaaybe Kishimoto is important enough to potentially have any sway.
I could see him making an impassioned plea or whatnot, but honestly, Oda is too big (and too professional) to do something really controversial and risky.
Also, JUMP isn't necessarily talking about the same things Kodansha is.
Not sure about that. Oda has done some big and controversial moves in the past.
Hey guys, there's been some stuff going around about Ken's following series but this is the biggest thing out on it that just came out.
So it'll likely be his last series and reconfirms it won't be Negima-related.
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Maron….I adore your artwork...but I feel like punching you for getting my hopes up...sorry...
:( Sorry man, I wasn't thinking about that. I'll make a thread for this instead.
I never let my hopes get high because tidbits about the series not being Negima related were coming out for like a year so I just forgot that stuff never went back to here.
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He also says he may retire altogether after the end of this one, though there's still no info on the series itself I'll give it a shot. Last I heard it was being planned to still be a Kodansha title though, which is odd when you consider the reasons Negima ended in the first place…
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After the ending of Negima I find myself hard pressed to care.
What happened with Negima?
The ending of it was rushed and left several major plot points hanging. Basically it clearly was meant to have at least one final arc but the final chapter did a haphazard way of trying to summarize that final arc we never saw, so it was a huge tease.
Not to mention Ken never answered the question most were wondering since the first chapter of the series…Supposedly he ended it to avoid having the rights to it taken away from him due to a bill in Japan that would give the publishers equal rights, but as of now that bill has yet to be passed.
@Robby I understand that kind of viewpoint too, but I'll be willing to at least give his new series a shot. I hope he realizes that part of why this likely won't be close to being as huge as his previous two works is due to what he did to his fanbase with that ending… It really sucks that the ending is still tainting people's memories of Negima and any desire to see his new work. I remember the Negima community on AP being a fun little place to go nuts about the series. :/
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What a stupid reason to cut his work short.A total slap to the face of the fans who have followed and waited for years because the author is pissed at his publisher.I would totally boycott his next work if i was a fan.
I'll give it a chance if it's not a harem.
@RobbyBevard:
After the ending of Negima I find myself hard pressed to care.
The feeling is mutual…
What happened with Negima?
He ended the series where there was clearly anywhere between 2-5 years of story left to tell, (2 if rushed, 3 expected, 5 not unreasonable, upwards of a decade not completely crazy, really) and about 1/3 of the cast still hadn't really been addressed, but then in the last two chapters he did a time jump and pretended he'd done that arc anyway and talked about it.
Plus the main "ending" prior to that was pretty terrible in a lot of ways too, involving a 6 month time skip (where he talked about events we never saw…) timetravel, multiple realities, and some deus ex machinas.
The thing is, RIGHT BEFORE the announcement, everyone loved the series and it was on a high note and we were all looking forward to the last arc it was clearly building up to... and then it just... rushed to a conclusion out of no where. So badly rushed it was reeeeeally clear there were outside factors involved with him stopping.
And, the worst part is, the arc he had just finished COULD have been a proper final arc if he'd just changed the way one or two chapters near the end of that went, (we were thinking it was the final arc for some time) because it was tying into the main premise start of the series real heavily, and we would have been fine with it. (Also would have been fine with him taking a year off to take a break after nearly a decade to recoup, Togashi style.) Not completely satisfied, but fine with it!
Instead, he ended that arc on a bit of a cliffhanger/promise of more to come, then proceeded with business as usual.... and then out of the blue rushed to the finish line and pretended he'd done the long haul.
ANyone who bitches about the Mass Effect ending has got NOTHING on that.
I'll give it a chance if it's not a harem.
It's Ken Akamatsu.
It will be.
