man .. let's just hope Kahn doesn't name himself after a one-piece character :\
Kahn Crocodile. o_O;;
man .. let's just hope Kahn doesn't name himself after a one-piece character :\
Kahn Crocodile. o_O;;
OMG! You guys I have the best idea! I think I can save One Piece with this
Yesturday the lady said that Al Kahn won't just talk with someone over the phone, but that I'd have to see him in person. So what Im going to do, or plan to do is to put together a presentation of WHY it would be bennificial for them to make a 4teans branch or keep One Piece as unedited as possible. I will also bring up Funimation and Dragon ball Z and I'll site sources and stuff… maybe even get some people from Funimation to write a letter saying it's a good idea and they made more money with Dragon Ball Z united. I'll also talk about the uncut DVDs and stuff.
I could show them naruto numbers, One Piece numbres in the world vs America, the Shonen jump, just a bunch of stuff together. Then Im also going to have, originally I was going to do a petition, but then I decided I'm going to get as many people as possible to write Al a letter saying that they'd like to see this too. (this is where you guys come in)
Make it like a business letter... then I'll bring those in as well and present it to him.
What I wonder though... has any show ever aired like during the day with a more uncut version at night or something? I want to say that he can have both One Pieces on at once. The 4kids and 4teans one... uhm when I call tomorrow (and I will this time) I'll just ask about how long it takes to get an appointment with him and so on.
What do you think?
HECK Y'AH!!!! LET'S DO IT!!!
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well the later you get the more you get away with. and if you think about it daytime television does have swears and violence. if you can convince him to have it more unedited and put it in a later slot and possibly try and target an older audience. and you can let a couple BIG thins ''slip''. such as in rurouni kenshin a certain hajime saito flipped sanouskue the bird. and something else i know is from like 1:00 am to something else early you can get away with literally anything. good luck with that. if you want to know anything else say so and i might be able to be of some help
Right but I mean has a show ever aired two versions at once. Like once at 1 in the afternoon kinda for kids and one at night for teens or something? I want to say it's been done before but if it hasn't well.. XD Except Ren and Stimpy did kinda do it on two networks so that might work.
For the OP uncut, maybe Adult Swim or Fox late at night, or around prime time.:ohmy:
I remember watching Ren and Stimpy when I was a little kid. They probably got rid of the kids' version and now have the adult one. I seriously doubt that the kid version is on. No surprise why, it did have A LOT of gross things on there, like Ren vomiting hairballs at Stimpy and such.
hmmmm. well cartoonnetwork never did say they were a kids network. so if you really wanna work at it you could talk to them and see if they can give a more unedited version of one piece a later slot. and you could have the one piece thats butchered keep airing on miguzi. but i say the main problem is that with two seperate dubs its not only double the work but its also double the pay for everyone so i doubt this will happen.
and if i remember correctly escaflowne used to air on fox around 8 pm and it wasn't butchered. but of course is wasn't 4kids
@Sonique:
OMG! You guys I have the best idea! I think I can save One Piece with this
Yesturday the lady said that Al Kahn won't just talk with someone over the phone, but that I'd have to see him in person. So what Im going to do, or plan to do is to put together a presentation of WHY it would be bennificial for them to make a 4teans branch or keep One Piece as unedited as possible. I will also bring up Funimation and Dragon ball Z and I'll site sources and stuff… maybe even get some people from Funimation to write a letter saying it's a good idea and they made more money with Dragon Ball Z united. I'll also talk about the uncut DVDs and stuff.
I could show them naruto numbers, One Piece numbres in the world vs America, the Shonen jump, just a bunch of stuff together. Then Im also going to have, originally I was going to do a petition, but then I decided I'm going to get as many people as possible to write Al a letter saying that they'd like to see this too. (this is where you guys come in)
Make it like a business letter... then I'll bring those in as well and present it to him.What I wonder though... has any show ever aired like during the day with a more uncut version at night or something? I want to say that he can have both One Pieces on at once. The 4kids and 4teans one... uhm when I call tomorrow (and I will this time) I'll just ask about how long it takes to get an appointment with him and so on.
What do you think?
i say your being too confident. And even if they did make 4teens theyd still have the sucky voices tho we al know and hate
thats true. but if we based shows on voices i wouldn't watch alot of things. you need to break away from the little nit picks and think about whats really important, the esscence and substance of one piece, the drama and action, the humor and sorrow. its not so much the voices that destroy these things, its the acting. if the people suddenly got better at acting i would like it alot more. sure the voices would still suck but at least you can feel all the different emotions with a good actor.
thats true. but if we based shows on voices i wouldn't watch alot of things. you need to break away from the little nit picks and think about whats really important, the esscence and substance of one piece, the drama and action, the humor and sorrow. its not so much the voices that destroy these things, its the acting. if the people suddenly got better at acting i would like it alot more. sure the voices would still suck but at least you can feel all the different emotions with a good actor.
Yeah my problems with nearly all the voices I don't like isn't the voice themselves but their acting, Buggy's voice would fit very well if it didn't have an ecoh, vivi voice would be alright if the actor knew how to act, even zoro voice actor, depsite the great acting most of the time, lacks in some areas some(usually humor; of course half the humorous moments he has in the dub are puns so…..). Overall I think if the voices were acted better their would ALOT less complaint, cause the way a voice is acted helps determine how the voice will sound.
i say your being too confident. And even if they did make 4teens theyd still have the sucky voices tho we al know and hate
But wouldn't you agree it'd be a step in the right direction. Small steps, dude, small steps:biggrin:
God, 4kids wouldn't be able to identify positive steps twards anything. The most recent episode has led me to believe that their company is filled with a bunch of incompitent, slack jawed morons, who would probably try to divide large numbers by 0. It just doesn't make sense, neither do they.
I really don't think we should ask for an uncut version on t.v (maybe uncut dvd's… but not on t.v). That's kinda asking for too much.
We should just ask for them to tone down on the editing. Like say.... A Naruto style dub. Not uncut, but still plenty good. That should be good enough.
Just suggest to them that they could now tone down on the editing since it's on only at night now. And also, you can tell them that the shows around it do just as fine as One Piece is, and that they're not edited as much. So it's okay to have it at their level.
Just wondering, but… did Khan actually make the decisions on these edits? What if it was just the actual studio who did the edits that came up with this? Khan could have just said "make it kid safe" and they went overboard on it...
That's like, exactly what I said. Nice to know I'm being ignored >_<.
And asking for an uncut version IS too much for American TV. The TV PG Toonami scenario (aka Naruto) is its best chance, and of course, could easily continue on from the current dub.
I'm all for optimism, but this is making me even a little uncomfortable. Even if we should get a better version on TV… so? The point is that 59 episodes of that crap has poisoned the minds of the jury pool, as it were. Would anyone really want to watch One Piece after seeing some of the stuff they've pulled? Would even the hardcore fans want to bother watching a slightly-less-edited version? Is it too much to ask that you could just drop this whole "GottameetkahnOMG" deal and just write a nice petition for uncut DVDs? Probably, for the last one. I don't know about the others.
Well…. I can't speak for everyone.... But.... I'm sure more subbies would watch the dub if it got better, even if the beggining is still crappy.
well they could put on commercials saying its a new and improved one piece and so on. but sonique if you do meet with him for the love of god tell him to get better voice actors or make them improve themselves.
About voices…. That's another thing I don't think we should touch. Cause... Think about it... As bad as the voices are... It's still totally opinion based to decide if you like them or not. If you say to change them, they'll just dismiss you as another angry fan or somethin....
I think the thing we should foremost focus on is just the content. At least for right now....
Although I think they'll listen if we say change Sanji's voice actor. I think everyone agrees that that one sucks.:laugh:
About voices…. That's another thing I don't think we should touch. Cause... Think about it... As bad as the voices are... It's still totally opinion based to decide if you like them or not. If you say to change them, they'll just dismiss you as another angry fan or somethin....
Wrong! Very wrong. It's not just opinion. Some of them are poorly cast, and the most of the acting is terrible. That's not opinion. It's fact. There's a reason why good directors spend a lot of time choosing a proper cast and working with the actors to get the right acting out of them (Oda was very particular about who was chosen for the Japanese main characters). But it is too late at this stage to change actors. What they could do, is have the voice director work a little harder and get a better performance out of them, and make gradual changes.
Although I think they'll listen if we say change Sanji's voice actor. I think everyone agrees that that one sucks.:laugh:
Really, even Moo would be a lot better if he stopped talking through his nose and dropped the phony sounding accent.
During lunch at school, one of my friends said that on 4Kids.TV, Hiluluk died from his illness:blink: My computer won't let me scroll down, since it can only highlight buttons and such. >.< Can somebody go there and find out if it's true?
Go to that childish website and click on One Piece, then Tony Tony Chopper and click on him again in the character file and there should be a description of him and how Hiluluk died.
I guess he didn't explode himself after all. -_-'
No, he actually did blow himself up in the dub version, they just cut out the explosion.
Yeah, but did you go to 4kids.tv and look up Chopper's past? Like I said, my friend said that on there, he died of illness.
Yeah…but did you watch the episode? He died from the explosion. Who cares what the site says. Wapol even said afterwards, "he did himself in!"
@Nicole:
During lunch at school, one of my friends said that on 4Kids.TV, Hiluluk died from his illness:blink: My computer won't let me scroll down, since it can only highlight buttons and such. >.< Can somebody go there and find out if it's true?
Here's the snippet.
On another note, Luffy's scar is on the wrong side ~.~;
I've seen the snippet before…but notice that it doesn't actually say he died from the illness, it just said he became terminally ill, and then he lost him. That was up before the episode aired, I think they did that so they wouldn't give away what happened.
On another note, Luffy's scar is on the wrong side ~.~;
They probably mirrored the image and didn't think anything of it.
Hmmm… and he lost his best friend, eh? Okay, thanks. That's all I need to know. :biggrin:
@Nicole:
Hmmm… and he lost his best friend, eh? So I guess we can say that he didn't blow himself up?:huh:
HE DID BLOW HIMSELF UP. It was right there in the damn episode.
Wait, I meant to edit that!:blink: Didn't know you read that already :blink: :blink:
They probably mirrored the image and didn't think anything of it.
I swear, mirroring is one of their favorite techniques. I could think of three times (not a lot I guess?) when Luffy was mirrored by them. :laugh:
Though, I shouldn't nag on them, Luffy's scar was on the other side once in the OP/DBZ thing. A mirror again, probably.
Hehe, let us not forget the infamous mirroring that gave Luffy TWO scars. :laugh:
About voices…. That's another thing I don't think we should touch. Cause... Think about it... As bad as the voices are... It's still totally opinion based to decide if you like them or not. If you say to change them, they'll just dismiss you as another angry fan or somethin....
Aye, whether or not a voice fits a character is opinion. But the quality of the acting of the VAs isn't really opinion.
I hate to talk about things not everyone can relate to, but take the game Shadow the Hedgehog. 4kids voices; bad voices to some, good to others, but pretty damn high quality acting nevertheless. That's the quality I hear from Zoro's VA, but not Nami's.
I still disagree that whether a voice fits or not is totally opinion. PART of it is opinion. I can say I don't like a voice, but agree that it fits, or vice versa. I like Bon Clay's dub voice, but I still think it's badly cast. What would you think if say, Luffy had a deep voice like a 30 year old man? Would that be opinion to say it's wrong, or simply POOR CASTING? Like I said, there's a reason why we have casting directors. They can't just pick anyone and hope they'll fit the part. There's a lot of examples of bad casting in One Piece (dub), and also bad acting, and bad directing. All together creating a really awfully voiced cast.
Well…. If we do get on the subject of voices.... We should just tell them that the current ones should get better, or get a better voice director (Cause I don't think they'll listen if we say "Recast the entire cast".)
It's like... In Grand Battle... Sanji's dub voice actually sounds a bit better than in the dub (Yeah, it's still not that good... But hey, it's better.). It doesn't sound as naselly, and you can understand him more.
So, yeah.. As Cosmic said... A better voice director would work wonders.
those voices were once amusing. A better voice director would be nice but the chances of that happening are as unlikely as the uncut dvds
My opinion is that they just have a bit of emotion. In Grand Battle they have almost NO emotion whatsoever. I do suppose they need a better director, but…maybe they need to work on their emotion expressing a bit. (Funimation REALLY should have gotten it...)
I know, FUNimation should. The voice acting on OPGB is DESTITUTE (figure of speech)! When the characters are supposed to get angry, they sound completely calm and a lot of times, don't sound angry at all.
I noticed that! And it BUGS me to NO END! I mean, OP is supposed to be full of emotion and everyone on OPGB is speaking in monotone. Nami could be crying and she sounds almost cheery.
I remember playing GB at a store once… I was fighting Luffy against... Luffy, it was always funny hearing them go "Gum gum rappid fire! Gum gum rappid fire!" all the time XD
Quick question:
Why was OP removed from Fox Box? was it low ratings or what?
@Sonique:
I remember playing GB at a store once… I was fighting Luffy against... Luffy, it was always funny hearing them go "Gum gum rappid fire! Gum gum rappid fire!" all the time XD
Quick question:
Why was OP removed from Fox Box? was it low ratings or what?
It was probably from sucky ratings I guess…
Yes, sucky ratings indeed.
@Sonique:
I remember playing GB at a store once… I was fighting Luffy against... Luffy, it was always funny hearing them go "Gum gum rappid fire! Gum gum rappid fire!" all the time XD
Quick question:
Why was OP removed from Fox Box? was it low ratings or what?
Nami's "hey, hey, hey" and robin's "6 flourette" bug the living hell out of me. I guess the ratings on CN were good. No one watches the Fox Box anymore, everyone's realizing they're smoking weed.
so how would I go about getting like rating statmens or look up how bad the ratings are?… i want to present them to Kahn
Well…. If we do get on the subject of voices.... We should just tell them that the current ones should get better, or get a better voice director (Cause I don't think they'll listen if we say "Recast the entire cast".)
It's like... In Grand Battle... Sanji's dub voice actually sounds a bit better than in the dub (Yeah, it's still not that good... But hey, it's better.). It doesn't sound as naselly, and you can understand him more.
So, yeah.. As Cosmic said... A better voice director would work wonders.
if they did do the reintire voice cast then zoro's va would be gone which i love his voice. ;-;
also maybe a better voice director would work but…idk luffys voice would be better with the acting but you still couldnt understand sanji
A better voice director would probably help things, but some actors just suck no matter how good the director is. Now, granted, I really don't watch the dub too much, so this is with very limited knowledge that I say this, but I think Luffy, Sanji and Vivi would have to be outright recast, Zoro, Nami would be fine and (this one's going to get my lynched) Usopp would probably flourish under a better director. He's doing an amazingly stupid thing with his voice, probably at the behest of the director, but from what I've heard of him (which, granted, isn't a lot) he can actually emote decently in certain circumstances. I think he has potential, but that's me. Chopper I haven't heard much of, but I haven't been impressed with Lisa Ortiz's acting in the past, so I'm skeptical. Robin might be okay if she stopped the stupid accent, but again, I haven't heard much of her. But yeah, I think a lot hinges on the director and how much effort they're putting into things. I doubt the current one gives much of a crap outside of his paycheck.
@Sonique:
so how would I go about getting like rating statmens or look up how bad the ratings are?… i want to present them to Kahn
Well… You can't really tell him that the ratings suck, cause on CN it does good. However, you can say that the other shows on the Toonami block get good ratings too, and that their dub hasn't been as tweaked as One Piece's.
About voice directions.... If Luffy's voice would just revert back to how it was when the dub began (it was deeper, and not screechy) I seriously wouldn't have so much problems with it. But his voice started to get too high during Baratie....
Noi I mean like getting official rating statements not just saying "WEll this and that" about the ratings but actually having documents stating so
@Sonique:
Noi I mean like getting official rating statements not just saying "WEll this and that" about the ratings but actually having documents stating so
Well…. You could find that report that shows it does better with the 9-14 demographic than the 6-11.
But if you're calling.... You can't really show 'em.....
Usopp would probably flourish under a better director. He's doing an amazingly stupid thing with his voice, probably at the behest of the director, but from what I've heard of him (which, granted, isn't a lot) he can actually emote decently in certain circumstances. I think he has potential, but that's me.
I agree with you, if he just lost the goofy/coward/squished balls thing in his voice, I think he'd be fairly decent.
Usopp's VA clearly has some acting abilities but they aren't being used XD But I still don't think he was properly cast. When I hear him do Sonic or Shadow, for instance, in which he talks mostly normal, he just strikes me as being a bad pick for Usopp. He was casted to do a gross caricature and nothing more.
I wouldn't be surprised if that guy is getting really sick of doing that voice, too….it seems like it's exhausting to keep up. The times that Usopp sounds better I could swear he's just getting tired and slipping up. XD
He's the same guy who does SONIC? O_O!.. wow.. didn't see that coming
hey do you think 4kids ever views my site?.. I don't want them to see my plan to meet with Al Kahn and stuff and then like… not let me do it cause they know who I am XD