Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus

aiedail

My theory regarding Uranus..

The third ancient weapon so called Uranus is the DFs, it was created long long time ago to counter pluton and poseidon. Poseidon is the natural gift of controling sea king while pluton is super weapon hiden inside the moon.

So in ancient op verse there are 3 powerful races; human, mermaid/merman/fishman/, and people's with wings. There was world war that happened in the void century which was the war between these three races. The wing's people lost and went to the moon while the fishfolks went to fishman island, the human with their army armed with DFs won the battle and formed the WG with celestial dragon as their top leaders.

So how about one piece ?
one piece is the last tablet of ponelegyph which contains true history of wht happens during void century where merfolks and wing's people been slaughtered by human. Roger who can somehow read this stone want to over throw the government but he cant due to his illness, so he went to southblue to meet Ace's mom and got married in the hope his child will continue his 'mission'. To protect his child and to inspire the world to chase the dream and freedom he gave im self to the marine and seconds before his excecution he set fire to the world with his words and start the pirate era to increase the probability of someone like him will arise and turn the world upside down (something which he cant achieve).

So yes there will be second world war which will involve the three great weapons; uranus (DFs users), poseidon (seaking), and pluton (great machine controled by Enel).

DF isnt natural magic fruit, it is a weapon created by human and thats why Vegapunk be able to decode the fruit and tranfered its power to objects and his robot.

ok I'm done, this is a theory so dont judge for being rite or wrong coz honestly I dont care

mr.french

It's worth discussing, I think, what Poseidon's role was during the destruction of the Ancient Civilization (assuming she was alive during those times). I'm assuming that Joy Boy was a citizen of that Ancient Civilization, and a D. And during that time, the Ancient Civilization was the most illustrious nation in the world. Perhaps even Utopian-like. And that Ancient Civilization underwent a major doctrinal shift in thinking. What I mean is that they sent "missionary" type people around the world promoting freedom and unity. The head of that movement was Joy Boy. But of course they met with oppositional forces. But I'm sure we all know this to some degree. My point is, I think it's interesting to discuss what Poseidon's role was in all of this? My guess is that all three weapons were well known of what or who they were at the time. Poseidon remained neutral, or her people would have been annihilated. And the oppositional force that fought against the Ancient Civilization, used the other one/two remaining weapons to rid the world of their civilization, but because the "missionaries" of that Ancient Kingdom were spread all around the world, their descendants are still alive today. My opinion is that Joy Boy couldn't help Poseidon, or her people during those turbulent times, (to go with her people to the surface) and Poseidon had to remain neutral throughout this whole mess. As for the other two weapons, I'm still working on the theory, :/

Mortein

I think Uranus is a weapon which Space Pirates were using to drill the moon, or some sort of weapon made from those weather balls

dasia

@mr french: I like your bit about ancient kingdom 'missionaries' being sent out. Like tigerlilly said elsewhere to earn the status of ancient weapon implies they were used in that capacity before so Poseidon I believe would have used her power at some point during the conflict, not remained neutral. I also think that her power would have needed to be activated by an event just like Shirahoshi I doubt she was just well known as an ancient weapon,something happened to earn this recognition. For the threat of her people being annihilated to keep FI in check hmm I dn't know,they were persecuted and chased to the bottom of the ocean at some point in history(which I believe to be at the start of/during the void century,'FI' appears to have existed 800 years ago but could have just been created as a result). Whether this persecution took place during or before the void century, if the humans who did this could go to that extent once we can assume they could have found it in them to annihilate the fishman race in a buster call fashion without feelings,worrying about accountability,bargaining etc no :/? If they didn't and fishmen are still around the threat/fear of something must have always prevented humans from doing so whether a power/allied forces/being part of a powerful civilization, so the threat of annihilation to keep fishmen in check and neutral I am not so sure dn't know.

How did fishmen even get through the VC shitstorm where a powerful ancient civilization failed to do so,unless they are remnants of the AK too,maybe they were in even larger numbers before

BingBang

Okey let's say this:

**ANCIENT WEAPONS WHERE CREATED BY GODS (D?)
DEVIL FRUITS WHERE CREATED BY DEVIL

THE ANCIENT WEAPONS WHERE CREATED TO FIGHT THE END OF THE WORLD CAUSED BY THE DEVIL FRUITS.

SO I THINK BLACKBEARD IS GOING TO GET THE MOST POWERFUL FRUITS IN THE WORLD AND LUFFY THE ANCIENT WEAPONS SO THE FINAL BATTLE WILL BE GOOD VS EVIL. EVEN IF LUFFY AND HIS CREW HAVE DEVIL FRUITS OF COURSE :P**

blacky

Wow, now that I read it in bold capital letters, it makes so much more sense!

Zkaiser

@BingBang:

Okey let's say this:

**ANCIENT WEAPONS WHERE CREATED BY GODS (D?)
DEVIL FRUITS WHERE CREATED BY DEVIL

THE ANCIENT WEAPONS WHERE CREATED TO FIGHT THE END OF THE WORLD CAUSED BY THE DEVIL FRUITS.

SO I THINK BLACKBEARD IS GOING TO GET THE MOST POWERFUL FRUITS IN THE WORLD AND LUFFY THE ANCIENT WEAPONS SO THE FINAL BATTLE WILL BE GOOD VS EVIL. EVEN IF LUFFY AND HIS CREW HAVE DEVIL FRUITS OF COURSE :P**

Naw. That's not it.

Igosuki

@BingBang:

Okey let's say this:

**ANCIENT WEAPONS WHERE CREATED BY GODS (D?)
DEVIL FRUITS WHERE CREATED BY DEVIL

THE ANCIENT WEAPONS WHERE CREATED TO FIGHT THE END OF THE WORLD CAUSED BY THE DEVIL FRUITS.

SO I THINK BLACKBEARD IS GOING TO GET THE MOST POWERFUL FRUITS IN THE WORLD AND LUFFY THE ANCIENT WEAPONS SO THE FINAL BATTLE WILL BE GOOD VS EVIL. EVEN IF LUFFY AND HIS CREW HAVE DEVIL FRUITS OF COURSE :P**

Dunno why you're getting bashed, I like your concept, it makes sense.

Zkaiser

@Igosuki:

Dunno why you're getting bashed, I like your concept, it makes sense.

Naw. That's not it.

mr.french

@dasia:

Like tigerlilly said elsewhere to earn the status of ancient weapon implies they were used in that capacity before so Poseidon I believe would have used her power at some point during the conflict, not remained neutral. I also think that her power would have needed to be activated by an event just like Shirahoshi I doubt she was just well known as an ancient weapon, something happened to earn this recognition.

I see, that is a good point that I missed. Well, in my loosely structured theory, I guess this point could be included. Perhaps, during the conflict, Poseidon and Joy Boy worked together for the better of the world, but when the opposition forces that warred against the Ancient Kingdom found and gained control of one or both the other Ancient Weapons, Poseidon had to remain neutral.

@dasia:

For the threat of her people being annihilated to keep FI in check hmm I dn't know,they were persecuted and chased to the bottom of the ocean at some point in history(which I believe to be at the start of/during the void century,'FI' appears to have existed 800 years ago but could have just been created as a result).

Yeah, I understand that point, but maybe the exile of Fishmen happened before the destruction of the Ancient Kingdom. Perhaps even before the Ancient Kingdom began their "missionary" work. The world must have been ruled mostly by ruthless Kings, that enslaved most of the world. I want to base my theory that Poseidon remained neutral at the point where the Ancient Kingdom was threatened greatly, and that she chose her people over Joy Boy. And vice versa. I don't think Joy Boy would have been able to guide and help the Fishmen realize their freedom in the world, when the oppositional forces were winning the war against them. It seems tradgic as well, which is why I like this theory of mine. Where Poseidon, possessing the power to destroy the world could do nothing, and her actions (neutrality) saved her people, but in effect allowed the Ancient Kingdom to be destroyed.

To solve the problem of where the Pluton and Uranus are or were. Or whether they were destroyed or hidden, my guess would be that, for instance Pluton, if it was a built weapon, then the people manning the weapon were so distraught with what they did, they banded together, and hid the weapon away from WG. And as for Uranus, again, the same. The people at that time were probably so terrified by the power of Uranus, they hid it as well. My guess is that they remaining citizens of that Ancient Kingdom knew where they were hidden and kept logs on the Poneglyphs. Perhaps they even helped in destroying or hiding the weapons.

The reason for this theory of mine is that, being that Poseidon in the present timeline has been revealed, the other two will most likely be revealed as well. At least one other. That way, Poseidon/Shirahoshi will be met with a conflict in the future, of a great power that will match hers. But this time, Poseidon will fulfill her role to guide the world to know the truth, guide her fishmen finally to the surface, promote freedom, and protect the remaining descendants of that Ancient Kingdom (mostly Luffy in this case). The Kingdom that the previous Poseidon protected, until she was unable to, as I stated above.

moxman

Interesting!

by reading throughout the thread, i learned that
1. Pluton is a weapon that can be built - it has blueprints
2. Poseidon is an in-born ability - You dont need devil fruits
3. The third weapon that can destroy the world - is Ur anus.

O baba

@moxman:

Interesting!

by reading throughout the thread, i learned that
1. Pluton is a weapon that can be built - it has blueprints
2. Poseidon is an in-born ability - You dont need devil fruits
3. The third weapon that can destroy the world - is Ur anus.

who is this Ur you talk about?

moxman

OK! a few more backreading.

1. Pluton - a battle ship - its poneglyph is discovered in a desert country.
2. Poseidon - a mermaid's ability - is discovered in a sky island

So i guess that every one of these weapons are inversely related to where the poneglyphs are located. Ship to desert, bottom of the sea to High above the skies. With that being said, if the 3rd weapon's poneglyph will discovered up front, then i guess that Uranus can be seen from behind!

Igosuki

Well, let's be smart here people. Poseidon ? Who knows its blueprints right now in the world ? Whose ship is he riding ? What ship is he continually building ?
Yeah ….

Kami_Sama

If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a person then perhaps Uranus is a place

op_luffy_op

@Kami_Sama:

If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a person then perhaps Uranus is a place

Hmmm ,that sound interesting !!

wewacian

i'm just going to toss this out here, Uranus was in mythology the God of the Sky and from his seed was birthed the giants(just in a more disgusting manner than usual birthing) so perhaps the third and final super weapon will have something to do with Elbaf or the gaint race? It'd be kind of boring if it was just something to do with controlling weather because we already have wizards that do that.

of course he was also father to all titans and a few olympian gods so maybe i'm just crazy and clutching onto the only thing we have related to Uranus in OP. Either way Uranus will be something on a grand scale.

moxman

@wewacian:

i'm just going to toss this out here, Uranus was in mythology the God of the Sky and from his seed was birthed the giants(just in a more disgusting manner than usual birthing) so perhaps the third and final super weapon will have something to do with Elbaf or the gaint race? It'd be kind of boring if it was just something to do with controlling weather because we already have wizards that do that.

of course he was also father to all titans and a few olympian gods so maybe i'm just crazy and clutching onto the only thing we have related to Uranus in OP. Either way Uranus will be something on a grand scale.

Originally Posted by Kami_Sama If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a person then perhaps Uranus is a place

Im seeing the Pluton as a big battle ship (well not as big as Noah hopefully) it can destroy worlds so it should be big, Poseidon (shirahoshi) is a giant mermaid, im guessing that Uranus is enormous!

with all the numerous islands in the New World, what idiot would want to go to Uranus?

Sanji: Hey nami! i found a logpost to an island, might be worth visiting
Nami: Really? i wonder where it will take us.
Brooke: Uranus! (heart eyes and sparkles all over)
Nami: bone crunching punch!

King Cannon

@Kami_Sama:

If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a person then perhaps Uranus is a place

Or a plant.

Animal, Vegetable, Mineral.

dasia

@mr.french:

I want to base my theory that Poseidon remained neutral at the point where the Ancient Kingdom was threatened greatly, and that she chose her people over Joy Boy. And vice versa. I don't think Joy Boy would have been able to guide and help the Fishmen realize their freedom in the world, when the oppositional forces were winning the war against them. It seems tradgic as well, which is why I like this theory of mine. Where Poseidon, possessing the power to destroy the world could do nothing, and her actions (neutrality) saved her people, but in effect allowed the Ancient Kingdom to be destroyed.

Poseidon/Shirahoshi will be met with a conflict in the future, of a great power that will match hers. But this time, Poseidon will fulfill her role to guide the world to know the truth, guide her fishmen finally to the surface, promote freedom, and protect the remaining descendants of that Ancient Kingdom (mostly Luffy in this case). The Kingdom that the previous Poseidon protected, until she was unable to, as I stated above.

But I want the persecution to have happened around void century time it adds to the drama :(
I'm liking this theory especially the idea of the third weapon's neutrality at some point,sealing the fate of the ancient kingdom.

I dn't like the idea of the world being 'enslaved' but that and the Ancient Kingdom sending missionaries of freedom reminded me of Clover saying how "the existence and idea of this kingdom presented a threat to the WG". As well as its power the ideology,values of the AK seem to have threatened the 20 kingdoms so your scenario could be possible.But if slavery was rampant under them & the 20 Kgs were the victors in the end why tone down their doctrine to that of the World Government?they would have carried it on full blown

mr.french

@dasia:

But if slavery was rampant under them & the 20 Kgs were the victors in the end why tone down their doctrine to that of the World Government?they would have carried it on full blown

Not just slavery. Maybe slavery stayed relatively the same, as it currently is right now. The only difference is that the WG today has even more control over the world, so it doesn't seem that bad. Not to mention that the WG can now hide (not completely) to the world that slavery exists. I got this notion from when Robin was sent to those large bridges that were connecting islands together. Even someone like her knew nothing of this. Anyways, I digress. But if we presume that during the time of their growth and expansion the 20 Kings/Opposition to the AK, forced countries to submit themselves under them (the Kings), or else they would be destroyed seems like a more violent time period. Then the forgotten history was the time period where they erased all the negative effects the WG had on the people, until all of the pain and massive loss of life was forgotten. And they used probably to a certain degree and for a certain amount of time those Ancient Weapons, until they amassed enough power to go against the AK.

But it seems, and I made my theory in this way, for history to repeat itself. The WG is now, with Akainu as Fleet Admiral, amassing great power. They are on the offensive more than ever before. The WG has Vegapunk to create a massive perfected Pacifista army. And now we have at least two descendants of the Ancient Kingdom actively fighting for their ideals (even if they don't realize it yet). We have the Ancient Weapons being revealed slowly. It's all falling into place. But my opinion is that the WG will have to gain control of either one or two of the other Ancient Weapons. I can't even begin to speculate what Uranus might be. I suggested a while ago in a theory of mine that Pluton was the name of the Ancient Weapon that was built, but it was also named after the person who created the weapon (but even if it wasn't it doesn't matter much). What I think matters is that it's largely understood that the designer(s?) of the Pluton weapon was a genius, and nothing has been created of that magnitude since then. The only supreme genius we know of in the OP world currently is Vegapunk. This is just another theory of mine. That Vegapunk could be capable, because I don't know who else could be, to build a weapon of the same likeness of Pluton. That's if Oda decides to have Pluton resurface. But again, at least one Ancient Weapon should enter into the hands of the WG, and only then will the world see how evil the WG is when they use that weapon. And I think when this happens will the world start to be engulfed in war (around the time Luffy finds One Piece).

BingBang

@op_luffy_op:

Hmmm ,that sound interesting !!

If we apply "logic", Pluton is a ship Poseidon can transport the ship and Uranus is a holy place (maybe full of energy) where u can only access with Poseidon and Pluton. Maybe Raftel is where Uranus is and you can only go there by using Pluton and Poseidon.

Coolnerd89

@Kami_Sama:

If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a person then perhaps Uranus is a place

Yeah, it's a planet.
Bu-dum-tsh.

Igosuki

Since we're in the second half of one piece, we can see the global scheme better.
Basically, most of the arcs take place in countries that are not that faithful to the Government, and that all have a particular history. They mostly host poneglyphs and are related to the ancient weapons and the void century in one way or another.
Those countries were probably an alliance of Kingdoms that fought or rebelled to overcome the currently evil WG and got beaten one after another. The only thing they could do was to hide the weapons in the end and write poneglyphs in a language known only to those who back then carried the will of d. The Ds were citizens of the old kingdom of Raftel, the most powerful and yet small country in the world who challenged and put the WG to the edge of collapse in order to gain total freedom.

The one who will challenge the world again will be the one who will unite the Strong behind Raftel and the three weapons.

This man was Gold D Roger, but he died of disease, so instead Monkey D Luffy will do it, after 900 years of wait.

yowmamasita

@King:

Or a plant.

Animal, Vegetable, Mineral.

you forgot the word 'fruit'

@BingBang:

If we apply "logic", Pluton is a ship Poseidon can transport the ship and Uranus is a holy place (maybe full of energy) where u can only access with Poseidon and Pluton. Maybe Raftel is where Uranus is and you can only go there by using Pluton and Poseidon.

poseidon can transport noah, that doesnt mean poseidon should transport ALL the ships (lol)
and btw pluton isnt built yet, and the blueprints have been burned as well. i wonder if it still going to get screen time.

@Igosuki:

Those countries were probably an alliance of Kingdoms that fought or rebelled to overcome the currently evil WG and got beaten one after another.

you sir need to review the history :) lol sorry but that wasnt meant to be offensive. anyways what im saying is you do remember the ancient kingdom right? and how WG was formed?

ponx

@yowmamasita:

and btw pluton isnt built yet, and the blueprints have been burned as well. i wonder if it still going to get screen time.

As I remember, Pluton does exist. The ancient people built it and now its hidden somewhere. Check the Enies Lobby arc again, Franky clearly said that the only 2 hints towards Pluton is now at Enies Lobby. 1 being the Blueprint, meaning any good shipwright can build it; and 2 being Robin the one who can decipher the Poneglyph pointing to Pluton's location. That means Plutan has been built, and is now just lying hidden somewhere

yowmamasita

@ponx:

As I remember, Pluton does exist. The ancient people built it and now its hidden somewhere. Check the Enies Lobby arc again, Franky clearly said that the only 2 hints towards Pluton is now at Enies Lobby. 1 being the Blueprint, meaning any good shipwright can build it; and 2 being Robin the one who can decipher the Poneglyph pointing to Pluton's location. That means Plutan has been built, and is now just lying hidden somewhere

thanks never knew that until now! :)

Igosuki

@yowmamasita:

you forgot the word 'fruit'

poseidon can transport noah, that doesnt mean poseidon should transport ALL the ships (lol)
and btw pluton isnt built yet, and the blueprints have been burned as well. i wonder if it still going to get screen time.

you sir need to review the history :) lol sorry but that wasnt meant to be offensive. anyways what im saying is you do remember the ancient kingdom right? and how WG was formed?

My theory is that the WG secretly existed before the void century and it's when they tried to took power that the war occurred.
Since the version we know is only the "official version" from the WG, I think anything goes.

DiezDiez

I'm telling you, Bonney is Uranus. Hence Akainu saying "He was truly frightened" when he heard of her escape from the World Government.

Igosuki

@DiezDiez:

I'm telling you, Bonney is Uranus. Hence Akainu saying "He was truly frightened" when he heard of her escape from the World Government.

Or she's been keeping the Gorosei alive for 800 years.

I survived the buster call

How does her power fit into the mythology surrounding the name Uranus?

jonnyboy0079

ah so Pluton IS an Object my gosh…. that might make all three weapons a different vessel, wonder if Uranus could be a landmass of somesort

Md-Martin

I'm going with the theory that Uranus is a small sky island that contains the tree that grows Devil Fruits, and drops them into the sea.

ZoroGilla

Uranus is on Fairy Vearth

SpurosT

Uranus might be a devil fruit, maybe be the one Dragon is using.

DEE JAY

Ya'all forgot THOR!

aka ENERU :ninja:

ON2BetterThangz

I love how this thread is empty. No one has anything to sayabout te most powerful weapons in the verse?? A time will come when people will flood this thread like the new nakama thread after Luffy asks someone to join. I think Luffy will use the three weapons to watch over his territory.

Zhenja

@ON2BetterThangz:

I think Luffy will use the three weapons to watch over his territory.

He don't know about them and he don't care!

Triceron

@ON2BetterThangz:

I love how this thread is empty.

14 pages is empty? :S

Leobreacker

Wow. Looks like there are a lot of spam around these forums :o
Anyways, I am pretty sure these three weapons will trigger the war between WG and the pirates. That would be possibly at the ending of One Piece, or maybe not, Oda is very unpredictable!
I also think the next weapon will be introduced much later in the manga/anime, Oda doesn't reveal everything soon!

Superbear 22

I think Uranus is on the moon and the Aliens in Eneru's cover story were trying to dig it up.

Leobreacker

@Superbear:

I think Uranus is on the moon and the Aliens in Eneru's cover story were trying to dig it up.

If I could meet Oda, I would ask "whats up with those aliens?"

ON2BetterThangz

@Zhenja:

He don't know about them and he don't care!

He knows and has acess to two.

Triceron

He doesn't know Shirahoshi is Poseidon. Only Neptune and Robin know, it's not common knowledge. Luffy only regards her as a good friend. He's not the kind of person who would use his friends to achieve a purpose, rather he inspires them to do it themselves or follow his lead. He's not the kind of person who would scream out to the world 'I have an ancient weapon, don't touch my territory!'. The more likely situation is the world seeing that Luffy is friends with Shirahoshi then drawing conclusions.

NeverEnder

One can/has be/en built, and contains ridiculous power. One is an ability certain individuals are born with, which then allows them to communicate/control a massive power (sea kings).

Prediction: The third is possessed by Black Beard, and is what allows him to steal multiple DF powers without dying. In this way, he has the -potential- to contain all devil fruit abilities, and considered together could be regarded as a force equivalent to the other two weapons. Thus, eventually, Black Beard himself and the powers he wields will be known as Uranus.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

I thought a bit about the ancient weapons over the holidays and one question bothered me.
Why were this ancient kingdom that advanced in technologie that even nowadays everyone is trying to lay their hands on their weapons?

I mean over the course of several hundred years it should normally be possible to not just copy old technology..no even to surpass it.
Especially the WG should have an interest in not getting surprised by someone who suddenly posseses an ancient weapon.(i guess thats one of the main reasons why they created the BusterCall)
Also with Vegapunk around them, they have a genius who may be considered on one level with the creative minds in the ancient kingdom.
Still the ancient weapons cant be copied in the slightest without the blueprints (okay, Poseidon isnt possible to copy) but neither are they able nowadays to scratch poneglyphs, while the ancient kingdom was able to carve messages into them.

So why didn`t technology reach the skills of the ancient kingdom again?
It seems like without Vegapunk, science would be at a standstill seeing how much only this one person brought to humanity.
The WG goes against archeologist, but why should they stop technical evolution.?

But an even more interesting question is why the ancient kingdom was so advanced?
They had to have their technologie (which was far superior to the rest of the world) from somewhere.
Here the best guess is, that the winged-people from the heavens may not be "just" ancestors, but those who teached them their knowledge…but by that, didn`t they teach the people who were the ancestors of the WG ?
Maybe that group which formed the WG thought that those beings from the heavens were scary and so wanted to extinct them..the reason why the great war started.

The motive of having extraterrestrial visitiors who gave some of their science and technology to normal humans even exists in our world(search for it when you want more information about that idea of some scientist) and maybe Oda was kind of inspired of that in this part of his story.

One other question that bothered me was why even with an advanced technique the group which formed be WG still was able to overcome them.
At some point the ancient kingdom decided to not use anymore the ancient weapons and to hide them.
They sure were aware of the fact that those mass-destruction weapons were simply to much to use in that great war and so they decided to lose to the group which formed the WG, but not without leaving messages everywhere.

A little side theory of mine to the above mentioned:
The hole in the RedLine made me curious..how is it possible to create such a hole.
I talked to BC before and my guess there was that that hole was created via an ancient weapon..thats what maybe opened the eyes of some people of the ancient kingdom and which lead to the decision to hide those weapons.

Ludovic

@Kami_Sama:

If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a person then perhaps Uranus is a place

it was the mermaid in the ancient city with the death ship
/clue reference

dasia

_Why were this ancient kingdom that advanced in technologie that even nowadays everyone is trying to lay their hands on their weapons?

I mean over the course of several hundred years it should normally be possible to not just copy old technology..no even to surpass it.
Especially the WG should have an interest in not getting surprised by someone who suddenly posseses an ancient weapon.(i guess thats one of the main reasons why they created the BusterCall)
Also with Vegapunk around them, they have a genius who may be considered on one level with the creative minds in the ancient kingdom.
Still the ancient weapons cant be copied in the slightest without the blueprints (**okay, Poseidon isnt possible to copy**) but neither are they able_

I think it's especially because of the revealed nature of Poseidon that we can no longer assume that the ancient weapons have to do with technology solely. Uranus could very well be a place,a tree etc etc like has been theorised here lol (dn't know how easy it would be to hide such things in the midst of panic & destruction).These diverse non tech natures would certainly explain why ancient weapons(excluding Pluton) are unduplicable and feared so much by the World Government.

And if the natures of the weapons are as diverse why did they come to exist at the same period in time?Pre-Poseidon I just assumed high tech stuff was 'created' in response to tensions rising in the wake of the conflict but Poseidon cn't be created, the occurrence of the mermaid's power is so random "every couple of century" so why did it awaken 800 years ago,what triggered it? Why did pluton exist at that same time and why was this weapon with the ability to destroy the world built in the first place? Or did it have another purpose prior to being labelled as such? What is the connection between the three weapons other than their power of mass destruction because they seem random so far a warship(?),a mermaid and ?,Why were these all concentrated in the hands of the Ancient Kingdom? Obvious questions I know :/ but one needs to kill time 'til next week yo.

Edit:

So afterall while of course being dangerous I think we shouldn`t see all the ancient weapons as pure war-weapons..

Exactly I agree and when you put it that way(highest comunication-based achievement/possible to control parts of the environment)
I can see why one could want to try replicate such an ability.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

Well it`s sure not only technology but also the ability to interact with the environment in a positive way.
Let us say Pluton stands for the highest technologic achievement, while Poseidon stand for the highest comunication-based achievement by which it was possible to control parts of the environment(sea kings).

While a battle ship normally stands for "a thing created for war", Poseidon on the other hand isnt actually something made for war. Just in the wrong hands it appears to be a mass-destruction weapon, but so can be argued for the battleship, which could also just be used as a protection. So afterall while of course being dangerous I think we shouldnt see all the ancient weapons as pure war-weapons..its more like they can be used like that and to prevent that was the goal of the ancient kingdom. Afterall its the person using them, who decides wether for a good or bad reason.

I survived the buster call

@Don:

Well it`s sure not only technology but also the ability to interact with the environment in a positive way.
Let us say Pluton stands for the highest technological achievement, while Poseidon stand for the highest communication-based achievement by which it was possible to control parts of the environment(sea kings).

While a battle ship normally stands for "a thing created for war", Poseidon on the other hand isnt actually something made for war. Just in the wrong hands it appears to be a mass-destruction weapon, but so can be argued for the battleship, which could also just be used as a protection. So afterall while of course being dangerous I think we shouldnt see all the ancient weapons as pure war-weapons..its more like they can be used like that and to prevent that was the goal of the ancient kingdom. After all, its the person using them, who decides whether for a good or bad reason.

Ooh nice theory Don. I see you've taken our earlier conversation and run with it. I especially like how this last part

So afterall while of course being dangerous I think we shouldnt see all the ancient weapons as pure war-weapons..its more like they can be used like that and to prevent that was the goal of the ancient kingdom.

echoes so nicely the themes started in W7 in Franky's story of his various battleships. I guess time and Oda will reveal all.