I don't consider this "losing" a real losing. They simply teleported to Namek, or whatever (assuming they are all alive).
The worst thing is, that I don't feel anything. Is there any drama in their losing? Nope. Did they lose anything? I'm pretty sure, they didn't, unless they are all dead, but that's not gonna happen anyways. Okay, they lost the island I give you that. Do they learn anything from this "losing"? Not a thing, except the usual we are friends forever, but that lesson should have been learned already. Did this serve any purpose? Only future will tell, but I'm not optimistic.
I'm not sure what to think, but hey, at least it makes me wonna read the next chapter. That's something.
Fairy Taint Discussion II
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If Glidarts sent Bluenote to Edoras, maybe they were warped there too.
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If you actually couldn't predict the ending of this arc then doesn't that mean Mashima actually did something different which is what most of you were complaining about in the first place.
I don't know what "most" guys were complaining about but my initial complaint with this arc was that FT was going to end up winning against Grimore Hearts no matter how grave Hiro made the threat seem. Grimore Hearts, the most powerful Dark Guild, would be swept aside and defeated on this island. I can't even manage to gloat because it was just too easy of a prediction. It's like saying, "I bet Natsu is going to use fire magic and get some random powerup this arc."
As for Hiro pulling off something "different" I acknowledged that the surprise came off as something good for me. Though it's no surprise the FT members are still alive.
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A time skip's purpose is to change the status quo anything else that you tacked onto it is not true.
I assume the "you" is directed to me despite the lack of quoting. It sure seems like that. You're using the term "status quo" and everything.
Its not a device to develop characters(that in itself is what the story is for) its a device to bring about change.
Character development generally comes with a time-skip. When you bring about change, what do you think you're changing? The breast size? A time skip is used to accompany a huge shift in the story be it with the world and/or the characters. The fact of the matter is that neither has changed here. The characters haven't expressed any desire to change themselves nor has there been any giant shift in the world's political or social environment. It was just pointless.
Also, the hell? "That's what the story is for"?!? What the hell do you think a time-skip is, an unexplainable phenomena? It's a literary tool used to tell a story. It is the story.
Once you stray from the norm then you have accomplished your goal.
Changing formulas is something any writer worth his salt does all the time. It does not need a time-skip. Mashima can stray from the norm by simply putting different members in the Natsu team every now and again. You have effectively shown you have no idea how this literary tool works.
A timeskip where a character just gets older but still acts the same is pointless which is why Naruto,Bleach
Hahaha, I'm gonna laugh when Natsu does this blatantly which you know he will.
and One Piece have effectively cornered the market on presenting it as a bad concept.
Shut up. I'm only gonna retort to this because you'll claim I couldn't otherwise. Luffy has clearly shown he has progressed not only physically but emotionally even if he still acts like a reckless goof sometimes. He overcame his traumatic events and returned to pursue his dream with renewed vigour all the while carrying the weight of what happened before. Not just because of the great strength he acquired to satisfy his increased resolve to protect everyone, it's the fact that he overcame his insecurities and is now determined as ever to not lose anyone ever again. Plus he's clearly displayed a more intimidating and mature presence to accompany his increased ambition. That's development, something that Natsu only had once and distorted it into a huge mess.
You don't need to forshadow it(although Mashima did anyway) because forshadowing something that is in its essence supposed to be disjointed and make the reader feel out of place is pointless.
No actually, you do. You really do. This is like the most important thing you need to build up on, changing your world. When it feels disjointed and out of place, it means it was done badly. They're a tool to speed up the natural progression of things which the author feels would take too long otherwise. If anything, they're the exact opposite of what you're claiming.
Also that randomly thrown in panel doesn't count as foreshadowing. There was no context to it to let the readers know of a massive change. It was just thrown in there to give a semblance of forethought. It was a clumsy and pathetic attempt to try and fore-shadow the pointless time-skip without actually foreshadowing anything
Finally when Fairy Tail finally loses a fight this is no longer important apparently.
That's because the fight was completely random and shoe-horned in with no build-up. It was more something to survive than anything. You don't get any sense of the impact of their loss or anything despite the fact they spent an entire arc protecting the island, it got randomly blown up a la Konoha. In One Piece, you can see the crew slowly running out of steam and eventually completely over-whelmed. Then they're taken out one by one finishing off with the leader and you get a narrative on how they faced a crushing defeat. Here? There was no drama, no sense of impending doom, nothing really lost. It was just Grr, giant scary dragon!!! ROAR!!! Boom!!! Island destroyed.
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If you actually couldn't predict the ending of this arc then doesn't that mean Mashima actually did something different which is what most of you were complaining about in the first place.
I wouldn't predict that Mashima would randomly kill off the entire cast with a giant dragon either but that wouldn't make it good writing.
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Nothing more to add, Lion-chan did it for me.
Also, maybe that girl is the fairy Makarov was talking about:
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…What just happened..?
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…What just happened..?
Well, at first we thought that Mashima was reaching new levels of cheese with the whole "friendship = power" trope, but than as soon as they join fucking hands (I still can't believe that happened) Gildartz says "fuck, this thing is playing with us". And than the dragon nukes the island,because apocalypse dragon will have none of that bull shit. Seven years later Macao's son is on his way to his first anime convention.
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i seriously cannot stop laughing
this whole manga is just one big train wreck in slow motion
every week i get to watch it just go deeper and deeper
jesus fucking christ, i don't even know to begin.
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wtf just happened O_O
That dragon just nuked the main cast O_O
I Miss Erza and Lucy already :'(
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Fairy Tail never ceases to surprise me with its tests and turns. I admit I didn't like the guild returning to save Makarov, but the timeskip hopefully holds promise. Well done.
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I really hope this new kid doesn't become a main character when the cast comes back. I think we have about enough.
Also, doesn't this event bode pretty well for the future of the side characters featured here? Elfman's in, and Cana I guess won't end up fading the background as much as I thought. They're bound to get a little more spotlight in the future.
Makarov will never die. The cover page in the last chapter was just showing a tradition of his. Every few months, he breaks into heave and has a picnic at the Pearly Gates, just to mock them.
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seriously it feels like makarov has been tempting fate for the last like 5 months but for some reason his death won't fucking take
i guess finally mashima just went "fuck it, kill em all"
i know they're probably not dead considering this is fairy tail and all, but goddamn it let me dream
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Oh yeah, the saddest part of this chapter…Azuma died T_T
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I guess when TLC watches a movie,TV show or even reads book and they present you with the protagonist as a child in a prologue of sorts but then skip to adolescence or even adulthood without any hint to the reader or possible notion that was going to happen it becomes a bad story even though this is just a small narrative window rather then anything tangibly important.
According to you If its not developing the character then its pointless huh? I can point to how many different types of mediums in entertainment use this same model correctly like how its supposed to be done but then I would end rambling so I'll stick to manga. I can say that manga like Berserk did this, Vagabond did this, Vinland Saga has done this but you know those time skips don't develop the character just in themselves like your claiming, the story does. All a time skip will ever be is a vehicle to get you to a change or a different facet to present the story. When you have characters acting the same way like in the big 3 all your doing is giving me the same shit dressed up in a pretty bow.How has One Piece changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
How has Naruto changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
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How many times has the power of friendship saved them???
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One Piece x Toriko.
Gintama x Sket Dance.Now let's imagine a colaboration between Bleach and Fairy Tail.
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I guess when TLC watches a movie,TV show or even reads book and they present you with the protagonist as a child in a prologue of sorts but then skip to adolescence or even adulthood without any hint to the reader or possible notion that was going to happen it becomes a bad story even though this is just a small narrative window rather then anything tangibly important.
According to you If its not developing the character then its pointless huh? I can point to how many different types of mediums in entertainment use this same model correctly like how its supposed to be done but then I would end rambling so I'll stick to manga. I can say that manga like Berserk did this, Vagabond did this, Vinland Saga has done this but you know those time skips don't develop the character just in themselves like your claiming, the story does. All a time skip will ever be is a vehicle to get you to a change or a different facet to present the story. When you have characters acting the same way like in the big 3 all your doing is giving me the same shit dressed up in a pretty bow.How has One Piece changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
How has Naruto changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
How has Bleach changed since the Time skip? The characters look differentMy head hurts right now. Im not going to get into this but just one thing, did you understand his post at all? And yep this 200 chapters were totally like a prologue.
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One Piece x Toriko.
Gintama x Sket Dance.Now let's imagine a colaboration between Bleach and Fairy Tail.
Sadly this can never be as they are in different magazines.
Heart breaking, I know
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timeskip, eh?
totally called it when the random romeo page appeared earlier in the arc.thanks to that, this was easier for me to swallow because i was prepared for the possibility.
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There's always Negima x Fairy Tail
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There was Fairy Tail x The Yankee Boy and Glasses Gir
Oh and Fairy Tail x Coca-Cola…....yeah
There's always Negima x Fairy Tail
I will not take this bait.
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I haven't read anyone else's opinions yet, but why does Fairy Tail need a timeskip? I mean even though they're always the underdog, they manage to win, no matter how cheap the win is. It's things like this that gives timeskips a bad name.
Though at least they didn't beat the dragon with friendship. I don't care how much you like Fairy Tail, there would be no defending that at all.
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There's always Negima x Fairy Tail
Well there's always Shingeki no Kyojin. :ninja:
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I haven't read anyone else's opinions yet, but why does Fairy Tail need a timeskip? I mean even though they're always the underdog, they manage to win, no matter how cheap the win is. It's things like this that gives timeskips a bad name.
Though at least they didn't beat the dragon with friendship. I don't care how much you like Fairy Tail, there would be no defending that at all.
Yet people still defend Mashima's writing skills.
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My head hurts right now. Im not going to get into this but just one thing, did you understand his post at all? And yep this 200 chapters were totally like a prologue.
Did I just say 200 chapters was a prologue or did I just bring up the example of a standard time skip scenario that you commonly see which by TLC's standards would be a waste of time?
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Yet people still defend Mashima's writing skills.
"Mashima did this to show us the dragon inside us is stronger than the dragon above us about to kill us all"
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Did I just say 200 chapters was a prologue or did I just bring up the example of a standard time skip scenario that you commonly see which by TLC's standards would be a waste of time?
I'll let you decide which which conclusion to come to is the smarter oneBut…...a timeskip from a prologue and this timeskip from Fairy Tail are completly diferent things.
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I guess when TLC watches a movie,TV show or even reads book and they present you with the protagonist as a child in a prologue of sorts but then skip to adolescence or even adulthood without any hint to the reader or possible notion that was going to happen it becomes a bad story even though this is just a small narrative window rather then anything tangibly important.
What Iceborg said. 200 chapters are not a prologue. When it's used in the very beginning, it's to give readers an idea of the character's background and ambitions and/or trauma and begin to relate to him before jumping ahead into adulthood where the story can really start i.e. the timeskip has a purpose and a pretty obvious and important one at that. Also stop talking in the abstract sense with "without any hint to the reader or possible notion that was going to happen". Cite some examples. For the record, for most readers with functional brains, if a story starts off with the main character as a small kid, it's pretty obvious that we're gonna get a timeskip into adulthood where he can actually become a competent character.
According to you If its not developing the character then its pointless huh?
No, according to me, pointless timeskips are pointless.
I can point to how many different types of mediums in entertainment use this same model correctly like how its supposed to be done but then I would end rambling so I'll stick to manga.
The concept of a timeskip is an ancient literary tool used in even classic stories like Homer's Illiad and Odyssey. So no, don't waste your time telling me something I already know.
I can say that manga like Berserk did this, Vagabond did this, Vinland Saga has done this but you know those time skips don't develop the character just in themselves like your claiming, the story does.
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Really, I can't take this. This just sounds too stupid for words. This is like saying a hammer doesn't put in nails in wood, building does. God help me.
Drill this into your skull because I'm only going to say this one more time, a timeskip IS story-telling. A literary device used to tell a story.
With that said, the timeskip in those manga served as a way to speed up their character development into jaded, vicious outcasts due to the harsh environments they lived in. So yeah, bad example.
All a time skip will ever be is a vehicle to get you to a change or a different facet to present the story.
The hell? When have I ever denied this? It's what I've been freakin' saying all along. You really didn't read my post like at all.
Look, let me try and simplify it for you. What is the story? It's the characters and the world they live in and how these two factors interact. So how do you change that story? By changing one or both of them. Simple enough? When a timeskip happens and nothing has changed…well that was a pretty pointless timeskip then.
When you have characters acting the same way like in the big 3 all your doing is giving me the same shit dressed up in a pretty bow.
Character development isn't just people having completely different personalities, you illiterate boob. It's about showing progress in strength, increasing your understanding of your own strength and weaknesses and the world around you, showing a different outlook to difficult situations, facing problems with the weight of what happened before in mind.
How has One Piece changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
I could waste my time giving you a huge in-depth analysis of the progress all the characters have made and how different they are from when they first started and I could give you a much, much larger analysis on how the world has changed and how it's reeling from the effect of being in a brand new era. But like I said it would be a waste of time and would fly by your head anyway. So instead I'll just give you one word…well make it three. Mother-fucking Usopp!!! Case closed.
How has Naruto changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
It hasn't and it sucks and it's a terrible manga.
How has Bleach changed since the Time skip? The characters look different
It hasn't and it sucks and it's a terrible manga. Really, did I ever once defend these two?
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But…...a timeskip from a prologue and this timeskip from Fairy Tail are completly diferent things.
It's kinda funny how far Chinascare will twist to try and defend Fairy Fail.
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There's always Negima x Fairy Tail
Given that Negima is about a thousand times better than Fairy Tail, it would probably overshadow it to the point that it completely absorbs it making it disappear without a trace.
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^It makes alot of noise and needs to be replaced.
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Do you wanna know why this is bad, not only bad but extremely bad writing? NO! I'll tell ya.
This is the equivalent of:
In One Piece, Luffy and the gang just after a whole series of adventures managed to get into the grandline. Yeah!!! They made it to the top of reverse mountain! Gazing upon the endless sea that is in front of them…. oooh what's that !!!! A giant whale!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah HELP! The giant whale ate them all in one bite.
storyteller box: This is the horror of the GrandLino , even our beloved nakama group couldn't go further than the entrance.
Next page: DON - 7 years later.That's how bad it is.
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^It makes alot of noise and needs to be replaced.
Oh…now I feel silly.
Do you wanna know why this is bad, not only bad but extremely bad writing? NO! I'll tell ya.
This is the equivalent of:
In One Piece, Luffy and the gang just after a whole series of adventures managed to get into the grandline. Yeah!!! They made it to the top of reverse mountain! Gazing upon the endless sea that is in front of them…. oooh what's that !!!! A giant whale!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah HELP! The giant whale ate them all in one bite.
storyteller box: This is the horror of the GrandLino , even our beloved nakama group couldn't go further than the entrance.
Next page: DON - 7 years later.That's how bad it is.
I know we've had our differences in the past but
All my text and you described it far better and succinctly. Bravo.
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Wait - what. That was sudden.
Makarov better be dead 7 years in the future. I hope Erza's still stronger that Natsu. The worst thing about this time-skip is that Natsu is coming back, and he will be stronger. And Wendy's coming back older…
I hope there's a couple of surprises in store: Natsu married would be hilarious. Gajeel and Levy? Come on Mashima, make our jaws drop next chapter...
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Will the cats get older?
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Do you wanna know why this is bad, not only bad but extremely bad writing? NO! I'll tell ya.
This is the equivalent of:
In One Piece, Luffy and the gang just after a whole series of adventures managed to get into the grandline. Yeah!!! They made it to the top of reverse mountain! Gazing upon the endless sea that is in front of them…. oooh what's that !!!! A giant whale!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah HELP! The giant whale ate them all in one bite.
storyteller box: This is the horror of the GrandLino , even our beloved nakama group couldn't go further than the entrance.
Next page: DON - 7 years later.That's how bad it is.
LMFAO!!!
Ok, I don't mind the timeskip but that was too much for me. xD
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Will the cats get older?
Yes, but the only thing that will change is that Happy will rock the same facial hair that his father has.
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This is a time skip… but none of them will age.
It's time travel. I was just waiting for this to happen in FT. The black dragon has some kind of time power that blasts whatever it hits into the future. It explains why Natsu and Gajeel were unable to get thorough the barrier in the fighting festival arc as well.
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This is Reborn's Future Arc.
If you know what's good for you, run while you still can.
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This is Reborn's Future Arc.
If you know what's good for you, run while you still can.
Would you mind giving the people who don't know the low down?
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Check this out. Remember the "Boy who stares at the sea" chapter a while back? http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/234/19
Look at the newspaper blowing around closely. It says X791, so he had already planned to do this timeskip. At least there's proof he does plan SOME things in advance.
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Would you mind giving the people who don't know the low down?
I never bothered with Reborn since I don't like the general premise.It's the worst thing I ever possibly sat myself through. It was lowest of low when it came to fiction… or anything. It's been years since I dropped the series, but that arc has lasting scars that won't ever go away. Maybe Silence could back me up on it, since he can say it better than I ever would.
If Hiro thinks he has a take on temporary time travel visit, then prepare for the worst. Hell, if he reveals that this is indeed time travel, I'm leaving his boat altogether and not even taking a peek at how the series may be doing.
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If it was time travel, I wouldn't mind it all. There would be enough foreshadowing of it to make it seem less like an ass-pull.
Also maybe there will be an arc that is based around being physically in the guild, not major fighting arcs.
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Check this out. Remember the "Boy who stares at the sea" chapter a while back? http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/234/19
Look at the newspaper blowing around closely. It says X791, so he had already planned to do this timeskip. At least there's proof he does plan SOME things in advance.
Yeah so? That is like trying to put perfume on shit….....trust me its still going to smell like crap.
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It's the worst thing I ever possibly sat myself through. It was lowest of low when it came to fiction… or anything. It's been years since I dropped the series, but that arc has lasting scars that won't ever go away. Maybe Silence could back me up on it, since he can say it better than I ever would.
If Hiro thinks he has a take on temporary time travel visit, then prepare for the worst. Hell, if he reveals that this is indeed time travel, I'm leaving his boat altogether and not even taking a peek at how the series may be doing.
For the most part I actually like Reborn. It's amusing if you ignore Tsuna.
But…as for Fairy Tail...I was not expecting the 7 year time skip. Despite showing some kid dozens of chapters ago it still felt random. I liked the Dragon blowing up the island though, good stuff.
For the dbz stuff which time skip were we talking about? The first one was I believe 1 year for Vegeta and Nappa to arrive.
I forget who pointed it out but it's kinda funny that a good chunk of the more popular shonen mangas are doing or have done a time skip. 7 years seems too long I think though, but if it does happen to be a planned link for dragon occurrences then I think that'd be okay. I do hope for different character designs if that's the point.
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I do hope for different character designs if that's the point.
The girls in this manga have a different outfit almost every chapter just to lure people with fanservice. Erza has different "armors" in every single fight.
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The girls in this manga have a different outfit almost every chapter just to lure people with fanservice. Erza has different "armors" in every single fight.
I don't pay attention that much to the girls. "Boobs noted. Where's Gray, Gajeel and Laxus?"