LOL Kefka posted basically the same thing
One Piece Mafia: Part II
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Mafia would be pretty quick to throw someone under the bus to divert attention away from themselves. Your first post was just that! I have yet to do so.
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Mafia would be pretty quick to throw someone under the bus to divert attention away from themselves. Your first post was just that! I have yet to do so.
That doesn't sound really smart from me, considering no one was giving me any attention.
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Seems pretty weird that you just randomly Vote for someone when clearly the rest of the town including myself are waiting for substantial evidence before making stupid assumptions
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Substantial Evidence? I don't think we'll ever get substantial evidence.
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Notice that I have yet to retaliate and vote for you in spite. That is because I am waiting just like the rest of us to have evidence to make sure a MAFIA goes home.
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Notice that I have yet to retaliate and vote for you in spite.
Why would you do this? I don't see why you would do that, Town or Mafia.
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People, people, relax. Eventually we're gonna have to lynch vote someone, but no one has made themselves deserved of it yet.
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People, people, relax. Eventually we're gonna have to lynch vote someone, but no one has made themselves deserved of it yet.
Thats what I'm saying. This guy just voted for me for reason.
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*Voted for me for no reason
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I did vote you for a reason, your initial post
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Despite my displeasure about staring at Night, at least we've started. There was quite a bit of posting, which is good to see.
In this situation, with a hidden cop and no way to protect him or her, I suggest we use the Hypothetical Cop Maneuver.
A little analysis of every game post so far. I like the action from TheManWithNoName.
! Vorlianis- First post after the day start. Fluff post about the night. Personally unacceptable, but not a tell.
Gerri- Second post. Asking for help. Would have done better to contribute a thought when asking for help, to show he'd been thinking about the answer, not just waiting for instructions.
Vorlianis- Third post. States the obvious for Gerri. Appropriate response.
Gerri- Continues to look unsure. Claiming is ridiculous and will only get him killed. He did however remind me of the hypo-cop maneuver. Also, it is safe to assume Mafia's only weapons are the kill and being coordinated.
Waffles- Useless post.
MagiciteKefka- Useless post.
Waffles- Useless post. Twice in a row is not good.
Gerri- Calling out Magicite and Waffles on useless posts. +1
MagiciteKekfa- Trying to deflect Gerri calling him out on useless post. Sets himself up as "inexperienced".
Waffles- Also gives "inexperienced" claim. You don't need to say this, people. We know. Just answer and talk.
Gerri- Talks about Nectar. No point- he's dead. Doesn't matter why, because knowing why won't help in the slightest. Also implying that the meta will be the major factor in determining mafia, easy way to get sidetracked.
Shuhan1288- Talks about how mafia will kill those that threaten them, which is stating the obvious. Standard answer. Asks Gerri to answer his own question, which is good.
Gerri- Asks how Shuhan got three for number of Mafia.
Vorlianis- Re-states basic cop strategy. Implies that this isn't a vanilla setup, even though it's Open. States opinion on Nectar's death. Unnecessary. (Though I agree)
Elizabeth Heart- Adding to the talk about Nectar's death. This needs to stop. Re-states cop strategy. Points out that there should be no confusion as to the number and setup.
Shuhan1288- Quotes list of players and statement of Mafia's number for clarification of point Elizabeth made above.
Vorlianis- Felt compelled to respond, in light of the answers given about his confusion.
Gerri- Apologizes for thinking? No, no. And to come to the same conclusion as was already stated is one thing. It's not necessary to "endorse" it.
Waffles- Useless post #3. If no one's gonna vote this guy…
TheManWithNoName- Comes out swinging, votes Waffles. Doesn't give any reasons, but damned if I don't like his moxie.
Gunkan- Useless post.
Waffles- Sharp reaction, but has the right to ask why he was voted.
TheManWithNoName- Points out Useless Post #1. That's all. Not clear enough...
Waffles- Poor reasoning. Either you've implied that it's okay because Kefka did it (which it's not), or that he should be looking at Kefka instead (and deflecting attention away from yourself onto others is scummy).
TheManWithNoName- Aw. Lost his steam completely. Now people are going to write off the attack on Waffles, and perhaps Waffles himself.
Waffles- Had a chance to write TheManWithNoName off, but he won't do it that way. He's claiming TMWNN's throwing you under the bus? He JUST tried to do that with Kefka. Scumhunting =/= Throwing people under the bus. That he have yet to do so is a BAD thing.
TheManWithNoName- Implies that he didn't have to put himself up to judgement by voting so soon, and therefore is Town-telling. Not solid, but agreeable.
Waffles- Tries to call out ManWithNoName for his vote. Subtly implies he's Town, perhaps? "the rest of the town including myself"? Mmm? And waiting for evidence isn't going to do anything.
TheManWithNoName- Puts it down.
Waffles- Points out that he hasn't OMGUS'd. A continuation of his attempts to imply he's Town (make sure MAFIA goes home, not me, 'cuz I'm Town)
TheManWithNoName- Puts it down.
MagiciteKefka- Attempts to calm the...gameplay and scumhunting. -1.
Waffles- Agrees!? Points out ManWithNoName's lack of clear reasoning on vote.
TheManWithNoName- No,no,no... If you don't explain WHY it's bad, no one's going to listen to you. You DO want people to listen to you, right? -
Ouch poor Nectar didn't even get to play one day. Well now it's our turn to lynch one of the bastards
Ok, this was the initial post on why I started suspecting Waffles, it gave me a bad vibe.
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LOL Kefka posted basically the same thing
This post made me even more cautious of Waffles, as you noted, he threw Kefka under the bus, but more importantly, he fell like he said something equal to Kefka, so he shouldn't be suspected unless Kefka is too, sounds as a Mafioso that is more concerned about not being lynched than trying to find Mafia (Scumhunting, as you say)
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Notice that I have yet to retaliate and vote for you in spite. That is because I am waiting just like the rest of us to have evidence to make sure a MAFIA goes home.
Uses the fact he didn't vote me in spite to prove he's Town… Ok? I don't understand, he wouldn't do that as Mafia anyways, because that is just ridiculous, it feels like he feels entitled to not being suspected because he didn't vote me after I voted him. Don't understand. Think he's Mafia.
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LOL you are over analyzing this way too much man. All I did was comment on how Nectar didn't even get to play at all and you come out and vote for me
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LOL you are over analyzing this way too much man. All I did was comment on how Nectar didn't even get to play at all and you come out and vote for me
I am not over analyzing anything, if you want to argue my points, argue them.
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Hypothetical Cop Maneuver: Every player will reveal an innocent report on someone. These reports will be ignored, as we are not cops. However, the actual cop will be allowed to post his or her reports every day now, hidden among the Town. With this pile of reports the Mafia will not be able to identify the cop easily. Once the cop dies, we will know who he or she was, and can now look at every report they made. We'll have their innocent reports on the off chance they don't live long enough to find a guilty one. (Usually, the cop will give this up once they get a guilty, but it's possible for us to throw guilty fakes, if we want the cop to keep going and try for more. I don't recommend it though.)
! Bogart- Fabulous post. This guy know's what he's talking about.
TheManWithNoName- Agrees with Bogart. Kinda wish he didn't; but it's fine. -1 for the goddamn VIBES.
Waffles- Still trying to nullify TMWNN's argument based on his initial lack of reasoning. That doesn't matter now- it's the actions since then that keep attention on you.
TheManWithNoName- Puts it down.
Bogart- Explains Hypo-Cop Maneuver. -
I felt bad for Nectar because he didn't get to play so I posted about it. How is that suspicious?! Listen man I'm town, I'm just trying to defend my innocence.
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The thing about day one, (considering that there was night first) is it is always plagued by useless posts. Both Waffle and TMWNN have been bickering for half a page now. Honestly something is strange about thier whole interchange…it could be quite possible we have two scumbuddies putting a show on for us...
"Throwing under the bus" is a fun little description of what is happening...
I'd toss a vote on either one of them, but they are new so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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TheManWithNoName: why are you so certain that Gerri and Heart are town?
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LOL you are over analyzing this way too much man.
Nu huh.
For me it's kinda unreal to watch those two newbies dancing.
Interesting nevertheless :)Therefore, so far, I'm watching. I could do a recap à la Bogart, but really didn't think it was needed. Although, I like how you're distributing good and bad points~
Eh, good. I looked for that Hypothetical Cop Maneuver, didn't find it.
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@Shuhan1288:
TheManWithNoName: why are you so certain that Gerri and Heart are town?
I'm not certain of anything, I think Heart is town for her suspicion of people talking about Nectar's death, Gerri questioned a little too much for my tests, but I do think he did say some interesting things I find a Townie more likely to say than Mafia, such as asking how a Town knew about the number of Mafias.
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Wooden_Giraffe's Super Awesome Summery of Stuff Going Ons:
1. Nectar dies, real shocker, shame to lose him so early, time to move on.
2. Two brand new guys start swinging back and forth at each other, impressive, its rare for new people to be aggressive.
3. Awesome plan/strategy that I totally agree with is brought up…..what's that you say? Bogart came up with it!......damn. -
I felt bad for Nectar because he didn't get to play so I posted about it. How is that suspicious?! Listen man I'm town, I'm just trying to defend my innocence.
That doesn't matter anymore, and hasn't mattered in years. I have two other points against you, argue those.
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I didn't expect all of this to get blown out of proportions like this.
Bogart, there's really nothing I can say to argue against you with this, since I know you're a pro at this stuff. I just felt TheMan had a flimsy excuse for assaulting Waffles, that's all.
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I am not assaulting anyone, I am trying to get my points argued so I can get a proper read on Waffles.
If you have to make an analogy, I'm interrogating a suspect because he was suspicious. And of course, as long as he doesn't argue my points, I'll keep my vote on him. -
Obviously, Hypothetical Cop doesn't work unless everyone agrees to do it. Every Townie decoy counts. Again, I don't advocate going beyond a single guilty for this. However, there is the sneaky benefit of watching a Townie falsely report a guilty only to be killed by the Mafia for thinking they were the cop and trying to nip it in the bud. It's just a bit bolder, and causes a lot more complexities.
! Waffles- Outright states "I'm Town". -5. Try not to do that. Outright states "I'm defending myself". -1. Relax, Waffles. Ease up a little- you gotta tone down the defense. Unless you think TMWNN is Mafia, you're not looking for Mafia with those posts.
Shuhan1288- Implies that there's nothing we can do about pointless day one posts. -1, enabler. Again, unless you really think someone's Mafia, don't imply that they could be and not vote. Anyone could be a Mafia. That's the point. New or otherwise.
Elizabeth Heart- Only information is the agreeing on Hypo-Cop. Semi-useless post.
TheManWithNoName- Puts it down.
Wooden_Giraffe- Also agreement for Hypo-Cop. Also Semi-useless post.
TheManWithNoName- Continues to pressure Waffles.
MagiciteKekfa- Explains actions for previous post. Duly noted.
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You claimed I was suspicious because I talked about Nectar's death. This is the first time I have ever played Mafia, I did not know that feeling bad for someone puts a target on your back. So when I said Kefka did the same, I was not throwing him under the bus I was merely pointing out that others had also made "useless" posts as Bogart describes them. Why are you only focused on me? Everybody had made useless posts..it's the first day for goodness sake! So what I said was not suspicious. You may have interpreted that I was throwing Kefka under the bus, but you are mistaken I was not once again I was merely trying to point out that my post is any more useless than some of the others. There good enough for you?
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For now I agree with Bogart's plan (w/o the guilty claims) and with TMWNN's interogation of Waffles.
Gunkan, you seemed to be concerned about being suspected leaving me with the impression those suspicions would be rightfully placed. You actually pleaded innocent in your first post for this day.
Vote lynch: Gunkan
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@Bogart I appreciate the advice my friend. Unfortunately this is my first time ever playing Mafia I did not know useless posts were frowned upon..sorry
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You claimed I was suspicious because I talked about Nectar's death. This is the first time I have ever played Mafia, I did not know that feeling bad for someone puts a target on your back. So when I said Kefka did the same, I was not throwing him under the bus I was merely pointing out that others had also made "useless" posts as Bogart describes them. Why are you only focused on me? Everybody had made useless posts..it's the first day for goodness sake! So what I said was not suspicious. You may have interpreted that I was throwing Kefka under the bus, but you are mistaken I was not once again I was merely trying to point out that my post is any more useless than some of the others. There good enough for you?
What about this post?
Notice that I have yet to retaliate and vote for you in spite. That is because I am waiting just like the rest of us to have evidence to make sure a MAFIA goes home.
I still don't get it
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I felt as if you were voting for me without a concrete reason. So I was just saying that I will not do that. I will wait a little to gain more information so I could make a better decision on who to vote for. We don't want to send a town member home and look stupid, we want to send home a mafia member. So I don't want to make an premature assumption and regret it later. I felt as if thats what you were doing.
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I felt as if you were voting for me without a concrete reason. So I was just saying that I will not do that. I will wait a little to gain more information so I could make a better decision on who to vote for. We don't want to send a town member home and look stupid, we want to send home a mafia member. So I don't want to make an premature assumption and regret it later. I felt as if thats what you were doing.
We most likely won't be able to avoid lynching innocents, even if it makes us look stupid.
All we have is the things people say to scrutinize and although I understand that you are new, being meek and afraid of making faults isn't going to catch us any mafia. :)
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Gunkan, you seemed to be concerned about being suspected leaving me with the impression those suspicions would be rightfully placed. You actually pleaded innocent in your first post for this day.
Vote lynch: Gunkan
That stings, brother. But keep in mind that I was responding to a post that was posted before the match had started, and was really using it as an excuse to post a stupid picture, which is typical behavior for me…yea I don't know where I was going with that.
Damn I suck at mafia. So far I don't see anything that's very suspicious...except.....hmmm, actually I think it's pretty weird that you ...wait, never mind. Screw it, I'll probably just pussy out and vote for nobody. It seems too early to figure out whether or not someone's in the mafia or if they're being an idiot or if the accuser's in the mafia. Argg, but if I vote for nobody, that'll make me suspicious too. Someone help me out here: should I vote for Waffles for trying so desperately to deny his guilt (but then that'll make it look like I'm only doing that to get people to put the pressure off me), TheManWithNoName for being the first one to pass of guilt onto Waffles (but then if I do that, then it'll look like Waffles and I are both in the mafia), or just wait(but then I'll look guilty for not trying to find the mafia, and also it'll look like I'm trying to play innocent)? Man, this post alone will probably get more people to suspect me, because of it's length and all the crap I put into it.
The worst part is that I'm probably going to have to go offline for awhile too, which will only make me look more suspicious. But then if I keep replying, I'll also look suspicious.
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Gunkan, calm down a bit.
Do you think Waffles is mafia?
Also, are you sure you didn't want to post the second half in a different thread? It sounds like you are speaking with your scumbuddies.
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Truthfully, Waffles: I know it might not seem like it based on your treatment, but we know you're new. TheManWithNoName is new, also. We're going to take you seriously as opponents, though. It'd be silly, and even rude, not to. Learning is part of the ordeal. Koh did a fine job, despite being lynched, but he can still be proud of fighting the good fight. The point is to lynch. And we'll never be sure enough to do so without the chance of failure. Don't worry about being wrong. Just make sure you've got good reason for your actions. If they're grounded well enough, you won't need to change your tune later on. That includes the decision NOT to lynch, as well.
! Bogart- Reiterates Hypo-Cop in a way that better explains that he is requiring people to verbally endorse it should they agree.
Waffles- Defense post.
Gerri- Votes Gunkan. Agrees to Hypo-Cop.
Waffles- Addresses Bogart's comments.
TheManWithNoName- Re-posts Waffles's two comments, the comments in question.
Waffles- Attributes uncertainty as the post's motives. It's wrong to hold back for fear of being wrong. I cannot stress this enough. +/- 0.
Bogart- Advising Waffles.
Silent Klabautermann- Advising Waffles. Writing off TMWNN's efforts. All cases start out simple and small. TMWNN is not pushing for a wagon, he's pressing for reads. Do not discourage it unless you have strong reason to believe Waffles is Town. -1.
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Had my post written before Silent's, waited in order to include additional comments. Hence its out-of-place position. My bad.
! Gerri- Asks Gunkan about his opinion on Waffles. Calls out his post. +1.
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Lynch Count: With fifteen alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Gunkan [1]: Gerri Waffles [1]: TheManWithNoName Not voting [15]: Bogart, Elisabeth Heart, Foolio, Gunkan, Harvady Alumnus, Horlianis, Koh, MagiciteKefka, Shuhan1288, Silent Klabautermann, Waffles, Wooden_Giraffe, xasjjx
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Gunkan, calm down a bit.
Do you think Waffles is mafia?
Also, are you sure you didn't want to post the second half in a different thread? It sounds like you are speaking with your scumbuddies.
He seemed kind of desperate to make sure he wasn't accused, but I think it's pretty likely that he just didn't want to be the only person vote:lynched by the time day ended.
I probably, no, shouldn't have written that much earlier, but I felt like not much was going on anyways.
I'm going to vote to lynch TheManWithNoName, for the reason I listed earlier. Probably a bad reason.
Vote Lynch: TheManWithNoName
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Gunkan, I gotta wonder why you are so worried about looking suspicious.
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Lynch Count: With fifteen alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Gunkan [1]: Gerri TheManWithNoName [1]: Gunkan Waffles [1]: TheManWithNoName Not voting [12]: Bogart, Elisabeth Heart, Foolio, Gunkan, Harvady Alumnus, Horlianis, Koh, MagiciteKefka, Shuhan1288, Silent Klabautermann, Waffles, Wooden_Giraffe, xasjjx
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The more I think about it the more it seems fishy to me. TheMan was the first one to accuse somebody and it was very early and based off relatively no evidence, not to mention it was his first post. I believe he trying very early to paint the target on someone else so everyone would divert their attention away from himself. Very fishy. Plus Bogart in a very clever and subtle way is defending TheMan when everyone else agrees his accusation is flimsy at best. This leads me to believe that they are both working together and are mafia. Now if Bogart votes for me and not TheMan then I am sure they are working together. We will see what he does…
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Kitsune: Am I understanding correctly that the day will last until a lynch has been achieved no matter how long that will take?
Gunkan: now it looks like you and Waffles are both in the mafia. :p
In all honesty. Your post was a complete mess, at least if it was intended for this thread. It only talked about the reactions people will have to your actions while asking the supposedly same people for advise on what you should do. So, please explain your reasons why you think Waffles is innocent and what makes TMWNN guilty in your eyes.
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Gunkan: now it looks like you and Waffles are both in the mafia. :p
In all honesty. Your post was a complete mess, at least if it was intended for this thread. It only talked about the reactions people will have to your actions while asking the supposedly same people for advise on what you should do. So, please explain your reasons why you think Waffles is innocent and what makes TMWNN guilty in your eyes.
Yea, but I figured it was better than being boring, and I doubted anyone would read it anyways. On why I voted to lynch TMWNN, I was following what Bogart said, that you're supposed to lynch. And I thought Waffles's first post wasn't that incriminating, so I thought maybe TWMNN was trying to make it look like he's not in the mafia by voting to lynch Waffles. Only now I'm beginning to think I didn't pay close enough attention earlier on to Waffles's posts, and that last one seems like a red flag to me, so I'm going to:
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Bogart is going to give me a dreaded -1 for this, but if this pattern keeps up Nectar is just gonna give up and stop signing up, or he'll be lynched on day 2 for still being around…
I'm going to vote to lynch TheManWithNoName, for the reason I listed earlier. Probably a bad reason.
So then why are you doing it? You're okay with voting for a probably bad reason? Do you think he's going to feel any pressure from you if you say that?
And to be honest there is a whole Waffles ordeal going on, and he hasn't been helping himself at all there, but I got instant scum vibes from MagiciteKefka.
Vote lynch: MagiciteKefka
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Oh, it seems I took too long to reply. Waffles' wagon jump was awful quick too. I know you guys are new but come on.
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Gunkan, I gotta wonder why you are so worried about looking suspicious.
Shouldn't you be when you're threatened with getting killed off? This game can be called witch hunt for a reason.
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So then why are you doing it? You're okay with voting for a probably bad reason? Do you think he's going to feel any pressure from you if you say that?
I was torn between not voting or voting, so I took the middle path, and weakly voted. Besides, the game gets boring if nobody does anything.
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I was torn between not voting or voting, so I took the middle path, and weakly voted. Besides, the game gets boring if nobody does anything.
Weakly voting just looks like you're doing it for no reason other than you think you should, plus it makes it seem like you're just trying to make an excuse for later if he flips town or people disagree with you.
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Hypo-cop is, hands down, the only way to go in this instance. We have no other means to keep our cop alive, other than anonymity, and if our cop isn't fortunate enough to procure a guilty report before the mafia finds him/her, it will have been for naught. In the event of an untimely death, we can eliminate suspects via newly confirmed innocent reports, and cut down our field of suspects in an instant. It guarantees that the cop's reports will reach the light of day. Go for Hypo-Cop.
There is naturally some risk to this strategy, as the mafia will be looking very closely at people who come forward. As such, this technique cannot be properly executed without at least a majority of players cooperating. So as to provide a larger area for our friend to hide.
Gunkan's post is quite a spectacle to behold. What I find particularly funny, is that Gerri's vote was on him before he made it. If there was ever a target to paint…
Waffles, where do you stand on Gunkan's monologue? On his vote against you?
Gunkan, there's no real consequence to death other than being forced to watch instead of play. Don't fret the suspicion so much. If you're town, you'll win with the rest of us.
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I'm insulted that you think I'm stupid enough to think I'd get away with that. Not only have people made it clear that they're good at mafia, but others have made it clear that they think I'm suspicious or at least annoying, and might not give me benefit of the doubt.
I'm just telling you how it seems. That goes in general, too. Don't vote just because you think it's required of you.
As for the Hypo-Cop thing, I forgot to comment on that. It is of course the most logical way to go, no doubt about it. I'm just concerned about pulling it off with the state of the town right now.
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Weakly voting just looks like you're doing it for no reason other than you think you should, plus it makes it seem like you're just trying to make an excuse for later if he flips town or people disagree with you.
I'm insulted that you think I'm stupid enough to think I'd get away with that. Not only have people made it clear that they're good at mafia, but others have made it clear that they think I'm suspicious or at least annoying, and might not give me benefit of the doubt.
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@Harvady:
Gunkan, there's no real consequence to death other than being forced to watch instead of play. Don't fret the suspicion so much. If you're town, you'll win with the rest of us.
B-but I want to PLAAYYYYY!!! In case it's somewhat hard to tell because it's the internet, you shouldn't take what I post very seriously.
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If this wasn't a vanilla setup I'd think we have a few fools :)
Vote lynch: MagiciteKefka
And a part from bad vibes, any more tangible reasons ?
I was tempted too~
Claiming noobiness (come on, we've got real first timers here and you're not one of them, nor are you Gerri), discouraging the scum hunt (eh), and rubbing Bogart's feet. -
@Elisabeth:
If this wasn't a vanilla setup I'd think we have a few fools :)
And a part from bad vibes, any more tangible reasons ?
I was tempted too~
Claiming noobiness (come on, we've got real first timers here and you're not one of them, nor are you Gerri), discouraging the scum hunt (eh), and rubbing Bogart's feet.Well, nothing that shouldn't be obvious to anyone reading. A useless first post about "starting with a bang" whatever he means by that. His next post is indirect and plants unfounded ideas about mafia, then hides under his inexperience blanket. Finally when the target falls onto Waffles instead he plays the confident mediator, telling people to calm down and going so far as to assert that there's nobody deserving a vote yet. Seriously?
And I hear Bogart's feet are magical.