Yeah I always thought that whenever Buggy would get sliced through, his body would have an innate reaction to split apart in order to avoid the damage. Like how physical attacks just bounce off of Luffy, or how Hina gets the locks on an opponent whenever he or she touch her(this is basing that she doesn't have to mentally think about using the locks, if I'm wrong please correct me). I think that's how Buggy is considered "immune" to slicing attacks.
The weakest devil fruit
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For those of you who say Hito Hito is weakest, Chopper gained enough intelligence to become a doctor at a very young age, He also became buff. I think a human eating the Hito Hito Fruit, would not only gain a massive amount of intellegence they would become very strong as well. They would be able to see virtually every weakness in the enemy's they had, and if they trained in fighting as much as chopper studied to become a doctor, I think that they would be one of the most powerful individuals. Just my 2 yen.
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Like you said it´s not cannon. The title page that has this news papers has Zoro drinking in a bar with roosters which definitely is just usual title page artwork and nothing else.
Which means that Zoro's bounty to our knowledge was not issued until after Alabasta. Again, that means that he did something relatively recent to have a bounty issued.
The only real candidate was his actions at Whiskey Peak.
Hey, I only comment on what the usual reaction to bounty hunters is and no matter what movie, series, cartoon or anime it was they were always considered as people that nobody wants to have around them.
We haven't really seen enough bounty hunters in One Piece to know how they are viewed in the series. Everybody was afraid of Zoro back when he was introduced, but that's Zoro. Nobody in Cocoyashi was afraid of Johnny and Yosaku. They may not have known that they were bounty hunters, but I really don't know that it matters with those two.
How other authors treat a subject does not necessarily apply to Oda, who often has a unique spin on everything he does.
Of course that makes sense. If you always show a disrespectful attitude towards the laws but never break it then it works perfectly fine.
Disrespectful attitude or not, they're obeying the law and are providing a community service for a price dictated by the World Government. Marines may not like them as their business is entirely dependent on the Navy not being able to do it's job, but there's no reason for the World Government itself to despise them.
Providing a useful service is something different then being part of the governments rescource. Tell me, what will get you more trouble in the court if you beat down a soldier or a bounty hunter?
The soldier, because they're a government employee and you're being tried in a government facility. But again, he took down an entire station that used to help stem the tide of pirates entering the Grand Line. That's different than simply beating an individual bounty hunter.
It´s not the because it was a crime but because it was a portrayal of strenght.
Bounties are not as assessment of strength, but of the potential threat a pirate poses to the World Government itself. Foxy mowed right through numerous pirate crews, but had a low bounty simply because he had no interest in opposing the World Government. His Noro Noro power would give him the advantage against people far stronger than him. Luffy only barely beat the guy and his bounty was almost four times that of Foxy.
Even then, a crime still has to be committed for a bounty to be raised or issued in the first place. Beating other pirates is a way to assess the relative strength of the bounty, but they are not a reason for a bounty to be issued.
So what crime did Zoro commit if not Whiskey Peak?
Of all of Luffy´s followers he did the back then most damage BW (not counting Luffy of course).
But again, how was that a criminal action and why didn't any of the other Straw Hats get slapped with a bounty on general principle? It was easy to tell who beat Daz because of the wounds, but somebody had to have beaten Mr. 4, Ms. Merry Christmas, and Ms. Doublefinger. Bon Kurei was not captured until later, so they couldn't attribute his defeat to an unknown Straw Hat. So three defeated members of Baroque Works that are arrested by the World Government and three Straw Hats. So why not assign the rest of the crew bounties (except Chopper who the World Government was most likely not aware of until Enies Lobby) simply because you can't tell who beat who?
Once more, I come back to the question of what exactly Zoro did to have a bounty issued in his name.
I think a human eating the Hito Hito Fruit, would not only gain a massive amount of intellegence they would become very strong as well.
Ah, but if they become doubly human, would it be possible for them to use that strength to hurt another person even in cases of self-preservation? Or would their own feelings of empathy forbid such a thing?
Complicating things since 2009.
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You know, this is all a matter of personal opinion. Neither one of us will convince the other of our own point and I don´t think it is necessary.
By my book it is utterly ridiculous to consider bounty hunters as government people because so far in all the stories I´ve seen and read so far, they are depicted as scumbags and hoodlums who are not appreciated but can´t be arrested because they don´t brake a crime.
My opinion isn´t more valid than yours nor anyone else here, so it´s all ok I guess. If it works for you then it is fine with me. For me it doesn´t.
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By my book it is utterly ridiculous to consider bounty hunters as government people because so far in all the stories I´ve seen and read so far, they are depicted as scumbags and hoodlums who are not appreciated
Well, if you have a better theory as to why Zoro had a bounty placed on him while the others didn't, then I'd like to hear it. As is, you're just sidestepping the issue to focus on a single, largely irrelevant point. Just because there is a dominant depiction of an organization or group throughout literature doesn't make it the only possible one.
but can´t be arrested because they don´t brake a crime.
Of course they're not breaking the law; they're enforcing it, albeit in a freelance fashion. Outsiders? Yes. Outlaws? Not really.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Well, if you have a better theory as to why Zoro had a bounty placed on him while the others didn't, then I'd like to hear it. As is, you're just sidestepping the issue to focus on a single, largely irrelevant point. Just because there is a dominant depiction of an organization or group throughout literature doesn't make it the only possible one.
Easy, it´s Daz´s defeat. He was the Mr. 1 of Baroque Works so his defeat must have some meaning. Judging from the discussion Smoker has with Tashigi in chapter 217 the defeat of Daz is much more a big deal then taking down the bounty hunters.
Zoro doesn´t have to comit a crime. He was a criminal already because he´s a pirate. All of the Strawhats are criminals because of that.
I really see it like that, Luffy who already was a wanted pirate defeated a Shichibukai so the logic next step is to find out if his crew has some more strong fighters that be considered a problem. Of all of Luffy´s crewmates Zoro showed that he seems to be the strongest to the WG because he dealt with 100 bounty hunters and he took down Crocodile´s highest ranked man.
That to me is the only logic explenation for the bounty and not because he comited a crime in Whiskey Peak. He was a criminal already. He just didn´t have a bounty on his head. It´s definitely the "this guy is strong, we can´t let him go free any further" idea IMO.
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Easy, it´s Daz´s defeat. He was the Mr. 1 of Baroque Works so his defeat must have some meaning. Judging from the discussion Smoker has with Tashigi in chapter 217 the defeat of Daz is much more a big deal then taking down the bounty hunters.
Zoro doesn´t have to comit a crime. He was a criminal already because he´s a pirate. All of the Strawhats are criminals because of that.
I really see it like that, Luffy who already was a wanted pirate defeated a Shichibukai so the logic next step is to find out if his crew has some more strong fighters that be considered a problem. Of all of Luffy´s crewmates Zoro showed that he seems to be the strongest to the WG because he dealt with 100 bounty hunters and he took down Crocodile´s highest ranked man.
That to me is the only logic explenation for the bounty and not because he comited a crime in Whiskey Peak. He was a criminal already. He just didn´t have a bounty on his head. It´s definitely the "this guy is strong, we can´t let him go free any further" idea IMO.
I agree with this completley. Besides, luffy didn't comit any crimes exept for being a pirate before he entered the Grand Line.
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Actually, if you wanna break it down on a level, Luffy committed several crimes before entering the Grand Line:
1. Assaulting a ranked Officer (Captain Morgan, Captain Nezumi, Captain Smoker)
2. Destruction of public and private property (Captain Morgan's statue, Several buildings in Port Town, Baratie's Fin)
3. Breaking and Entering (Kaya's Mansion)
4. Aiding and Abetting a Dangerous Criminal (Zoro)
5. Terroristic Threatening (Several occasions)
6. Disturbing the Peace (Incident in Loguetown)That's enough to get anyone arrested.
Btw, I don't think this has been brought up, but:
Can the Bara Bara fruit seperate the body vertically? We've only seen Buggy split horizontally… I get the feeling if someone sliced Buggy in a vertical slash (I.E. slice him in half) it would definitely kill him.
Btw, Ivotas, The reason Daz Boness defeat got Zoro a bounty wasn't because of him being Mr. 1, or at least not completely. I'm fairly sure it was because of his assassinations in West Blue. Mr. 3 had a 42 million bounty, so Daz Boness probably had a much higher one than that.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Actually, if you wanna break it down on a level, Luffy committed several crimes before entering the Grand Line:
1. Assaulting a ranked Officer (Captain Morgan, Captain Nezumi, Captain Smoker)
No one knew of what he and zoro did to Morgan. The assualt on nezumi wasn't commited by luffy, but by nami. Smoker I guess classfies.
2. Destruction of public and private property (Captain Morgan's statue, Several buildings in Port Town, Baratie's Fin)
Again no one knew about morgan. Doing what he did to baratie wasn't a crime, because he was going against a force that was going against the baratie.
3. Breaking and Entering (Kaya's Mansion)
I suppose…
4. Aiding and Abetting a Dangerous Criminal (Zoro)
true
5. Terroristic Threatening (Several occasions)
refresh my memory
6. Disturbing the Peace (Incident in Loguetown)
He didn't comit a crime until he came across smoker.
And when I said "crimes" I meant big crimes, worthy of a bounty. Not petty one's.
Btw, I don't think this has been brought up, but:
Can the Bara Bara fruit seperate the body vertically? We've only seen Buggy split horizontally… I get the feeling if someone sliced Buggy in a vertical slash (I.E. slice him in half) it would definitely kill him.
I don't see why it shoudn't be able to.
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Yeah, I suppose no one knew about the Morgan incident, but they did know that Zoro was aided by Luffy. And the marines saw the incident with Morgan, but didn't report it. Technically, it's still a crime.
As for the terroristic threatening, it's complacent throughout the whole story. Luffy threatens Smoker with "I'm gonna kick your ass!" and Nezumi with a similar phrase. He threatens other pirates, too, but that isn't a crime because it's not someone who has legal status anyway.
Oh, and I just remembered. He also commited Assault and battery on a Government Official (Boodle). While Boodle didn't press charges (For obvious reasons), the entire populace of Port Town chased them off. In their eyes, it was a crime.
And the reason I think the Bara Bara fruit can't split vertically is because the organs in the body would be split. If Buggy can bleed and feel pain in his nuts when his head is detached, then the nerves must remotely transfer impulses. But I think the organs have to remain in one piece for them to function properly.
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Easy, it´s Daz´s defeat. He was the Mr. 1 of Baroque Works so his defeat must have some meaning. Judging from the discussion Smoker has with Tashigi in … the defeat of Daz is much more a big deal then taking down the bounty hunters.
The way I read it is that Daz is actually famous while the rest were not; it's a major thing that he defeated Daz, but the reaction is based on the fact that Tashigi knows who he is rather than a bunch of nameless bounty hunters.
Mr. 1 of the Baroque Works, would the World Government have known that at the point when Zoro's bounty was issued? And again, if beating Daz was the reason, then why weren't Sanji, Nami, and Usopp given bounties as well when they were known members of the Straw Hats?
The fact that the Navy arrested Mr. 4, Ms. Merry Christmas, and Ms. Doublefinger is a good indication that they already had criminal records, which is line with Daz having one. So why not issue bounties on those other three Straw Hats on the assumption that they beat them?
Mr. 4 was stronger than Mr. 3, who had a fairly formidable reputation as a fighter himself. If he had a criminal record that should reflect that, which again makes me wonder why the others didn't have a bounty placed on them.
Zoro doesn´t have to comit a crime. He was a criminal already because he´s a pirate. All of the Strawhats are criminals because of that.
Then why don't they all have bounties if that is all it takes?
A bounty requires a specific criminal action. Luffy didn't have a bounty placed on him because he was a pirate, but because he struck a Naval officer.
Of all of Luffy´s crewmates Zoro showed that he seems to be the strongest to the WG because he dealt with 100 bounty hunters and he took down Crocodile´s highest ranked man.
Why just pick out the two strongest members of the crew though when the entire crew is only known to have five people in it? You might as well slap bounties on all of them; if nothing else the weaker members might get picked off and the crew will lose an important component.
Complicating things since 2009.
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You know, this is all a matter of personal opinion. Neither one of us will convince the other of our own point and I don´t think it is necessary.
By my book it is utterly ridiculous to consider bounty hunters as government people because so far in all the stories I´ve seen and read so far, they are depicted as scumbags and hoodlums who are not appreciated but can´t be arrested because they don´t brake a crime.
My opinion isn´t more valid than yours nor anyone else here, so it´s all ok I guess. If it works for you then it is fine with me. For me it doesn´t.
I definitely note a lack of repsect between the govt. officials and bounty hunters…think back to the Baratie, with Johnny and Yosaku's conversation with Fullbody. Grantes Fullbody's a jerk anyway but you see what I mean.
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Zoro faught Mihawk in a one on one fight and didn't die.
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Zoro faught Mihawk in a one on one fight and didn't die.
**But it's not like Mihawk was even trying.
If he so desired, he could have had killed zoro and every one else there with a single slash. Exept possibly zeff, as I think he is still as powerful as he was before.
But even then, surviving Mihawk was very immpressive. And he was able to take on hatchi with the wound.**
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I disagree.
At first when Mihawk used his small blade, he wasn't even trying.
Then later, out of respect for Zoro (rather than necessity), he used his best sword and actually 'tried'.
Zoro would be disgraced for the rest of his life if Mihawk just toyed with him the whole time, which was what the entire scene where Mihawk was like "why aren't you stepping back this dagger can pierce your heart" because Zoro lives without regret and would not be disgraced.
But primarily, my point is that it's probably extraordinarily rare for someone to fight Mihawk and survive, for whatever reason, especially in a duel (vs. like, "you disturbed my nap" this was a, "Mihawk, I'm calling you out" situation). Mihawk was certainly serious enough to give Zoro that final wound.
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I disagree.
At first when Mihawk used his small blade, he wasn't even trying.
Then later, out of respect for Zoro (rather than necessity), he used his best sword and actually 'tried'.
Zoro would be disgraced for the rest of his life if Mihawk just toyed with him the whole time, which was what the entire scene where Mihawk was like "why aren't you stepping back this dagger can pierce your heart" because Zoro lives without regret and would not be disgraced.
I meant he wasn't trying in the sense that he wasn't exerting himself. It was all too easy for mihawk.
But primarily, my point is that it's probably extraordinarily rare for someone to fight Mihawk and survive, for whatever reason, especially in a duel (vs. like, "you disturbed my nap" this was a, "Mihawk, I'm calling you out" situation). Mihawk was certainly serious enough to give Zoro that final wound.
Agreed.
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Oh, I agree that he didn't have to exert himself, it wasn't a difficult fight for him, though he did seem surprised at Zoro's final technique for some reason, and I think the fact that he was only able to break two of the three swords is significant to how Zoro will defeat Mihawk.
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Oh, I agree that he didn't have to exert himself, it wasn't a difficult fight for him, though he did seem surprised at Zoro's final technique for some reason, and I think the fact that he was only able to break two of the three swords is significant to how Zoro will defeat Mihawk.
Wasn't Hawkeyes surprised by Zoro's will and not his last move?
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Oh, I agree that he didn't have to exert himself, it wasn't a difficult fight for him, though he did seem surprised at Zoro's final technique for some reason, and I think the fact that he was only able to break two of the three swords is significant to how Zoro will defeat Mihawk.
Don't forget that the Wadou Ichimonji (Spelling?) is the one that didn't break, so Mihawk may just be beaten by that sword.
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Actually Octogon, first he was surprised by his will.
But if you look on page 17 of chapter 51 (which is in volume 6), look at Mihawk's reaction right after Zoro states
"THE SECRET TECHNIQUE OF THE THREE SWORDS STYLE!"
The picture is of him starting his technique.If you look at Mihawk in the tiny corner panel to the left of this (so it happens right after) there is an exclamation point and sweat streaming down Mihawk's face, and his eyes are clenched.
In other words, he's in a state of surprise and shock right after seeing the initiation of Zoro's very best technique, and I think that this is because for some reason, Mihawk is unable to block the third sword, and that the only reason he won the match was because his skill is immensely greater than Zoro's. In other words, he found a way to evade the blade, but once Zoro is near his skill level, I don't think it will be so easy for him to do as much.
I really think that it is this technique of Zoro's that makes Mihawk realize he has the potential to actually surpass him, rather than just his will alone. At first, when he sees Zoro's will, he just agrees to KILL him with his good sword. Once he sees this, I think he lets Zoro live.
This is all speculation, but the one thing that isn't speculation is that look on Mihawk's face right after Zoro starts his technique and the fact that he failed to break all three of Zoro's swords, even with the most powerful blade (and greatest skill) in the world.
Katana, I disagree, as Mihawk clearly has the #1 sword, and it probably has just as strong and emotional a history as the Wadou Ichimonji does for Zoro. If Mihawk was afraid of the sword in that panel, why wouldn't he have noticed it earlier? It's made clear that he gets surprised because of the secret technique.
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Oh, I agree that he didn't have to exert himself, it wasn't a difficult fight for him, though he did seem surprised at Zoro's final technique for some reason,
Well, Zoro announced it as a secret technique, which probably made Mihawk wonder what he was up to. When he saw what it was, he just went ahead and plowed right through him.
From what we've seen of Mihawk's reaction times, he could easily have stopped if he considered 3000 Worlds to be anything resembling a threat.
and I think the fact that he was only able to break two of the three swords is significant to how Zoro will defeat Mihawk.
I don't know that Mihawk even hit Kuina's sword; the other two were rotating around him, which means that they took the brunt of the attack. Wadou Ichimonji was in his mouth and he was cut on his chest, which probably means that Mihawk's strike came in low enough that the two swords didn't connect.
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Katana, I disagree, as Mihawk clearly has the #1 sword, and it probably has just as strong and emotional a history as the Wadou Ichimonji does for Zoro. If Mihawk was afraid of the sword in that panel, why wouldn't he have noticed it earlier? It's made clear that he gets surprised because of the secret technique.
Well, I don't think Mihawk was afraid of it. I just think it's in Oda's plan to have Mihawk defeated by Zoro's most important sword.
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Ugh, the Bane-Bane fruit. A crappy fruit suits someone like Bellamy.
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"When he saw what it was, he just went ahead and plowed right through him."
It's pretty fucking obvious that it didn't happen as you described it, he saw what it was, was severely surprised at something (it hasn't told us what yet, but it's implied because he failed to break all three swords), and then he went and defeated zoro.
Ubiq, please look at the page I pointed out and don't act like Mihawk just smiled and plowed through Zoro like nothing. He was clearly in a state of shock right when he saw Zoro's secret technique, and it's obvious that this is because he realized he could not attack without leaving an opening to the technique. Zoro wasn't good enough to take advantage of this.
My entire point is that he didn't connect with Kuina's sword, if he connected, either the blade would have held and Zoro would not have been cut, or all three of Zoro's swords would have been broken. Clearly Zoro intended to use Kuina's blade to strike Mihawk while using the other two to take (as you say) the brunt of Mihawk's own attack.
Also, Mihawk knew he would win the fight Ubiq, since he has far more skill than Zoro. That doesn't mean that Zoro's secret technique itself wasn't better than Mihawk's own technique, which is why Mihawk believes Zoro can surpass him in the first place.
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Oh, nvm my last post Ubiq, you must not have seen my post right above yours when you wrote that, I didn't realize there was such a close proximity between our two posts, my bad.
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Then why don't they all have bounties if that is all it takes?
A bounty requires a specific criminal action. Luffy didn't have a bounty placed on him because he was a pirate, but because he struck a Naval officer.
They are criminals. The fact is proven when Tashigi´s men say that they should arrest all of them. If only Luffy would be the criminal then why arrest all of them? If the men would say, "Let´s just arrest Luffy. The others don´t matter." then I would agree with you. But in the One Piece world being a pirate already counts as a crime.
Just think back of the Morgan arc when Ripper told Luffy and Zoro to leave because they are pirates. They said that they just founded the crew. They didn´t even had the chance to comit any crime. And yet the Marine looked down on them as criminals already. They only didn´t arrest them because they were grateful to them.
In the OP world it definitely is enough to be a pirate to be considered a criminal. The two examples I just mentioned about Tashigi´s men in Arabasta or about Ripper in Shellstown prove it. I´m not pulling this out of my ass. That´s how it is established in the manga by the author himself.
Why just pick out the two strongest members of the crew though when the entire crew is only known to have five people in it? You might as well slap bounties on all of them; if nothing else the weaker members might get picked off and the crew will lose an important component.
Ever hear of the "head of the snake" pricinple? Cut the head of and the snake is finished. The WG is probably misjudging the rest of the crew. Aokiji even said that the WG doesn´t take them seriously yet. This will change after the current development but for now thinking only the leaders are those that need to be catched is a perfect way how people who don´t take anybody seriously would look at the situation.
And as for why the others don´t have a bounty. I don´t consider guys like Mr. 4 and the like to be in the position to say "No way they defeated them?". True they were strong guys in BW but they don´t seem that strong as if a defeat of them would be surprising.
Mr. 2 is different. I consider him in the category like Daz. However, even though Sanji defeated him he wasn´t laying around in Arbana to be picked up by the Marine. It´s not that Sanji finished him off for good so arrogant guys in the top of the WG might think that his defeat doesn´t count as much as the defeat of Daz or Croc. After all, he had enough power to fight Hina in the end while Croc and Daz were already arrested. So it would work that they consider they guy who fought Mr. 2 to be not as good as Zoro or Luffy.
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It's pretty fucking obvious that it didn't happen as you described it, he saw what it was, was severely surprised at something (it hasn't told us what yet, but it's implied because he failed to break all three swords), and then he went and defeated zoro.
I've checked my copy of Shonen Jump several times; there's no reason to assume that Mihawk even hit Wadou Ichimonji with his attack. His surprise can be chalked up to the fact that Zoro actually announced it was a Secret Technique, which may well have caught him off guard and wonder if he had underestimated his opponent.
He was clearly in a state of shock right when he saw Zoro's secret technique,
And yet he let Zoro use it anyway; whatever he saw in Zoro's technique was not enough to make him avoid Zoro's attack. Mihawk is fast enough to draw his sword and deflect a bullet fired from mere feet away after the pistol is already been fired.
Had Zoro's 3000 Worlds been enough to truly worry Mihawk, he could very easily have avoided it or even killed Zoro in the process of using it.
and it's obvious that this is because he realized he could not attack without leaving an opening to the technique.
How is that obvious when he did just that? Mihawk came through without a scratch. If it's because Zoro wasn't capable of using that technique to its true potential, then Mihawk should have already known that and not been worried by it.
Clearly Zoro intended to use Kuina's blade to strike Mihawk while using the other two to take (as you say) the brunt of Mihawk's own attack.
Which means that there is a good chance that Ichimonji only survived the fight by a fluke. Even if it's the strongest out of the 21, it's still quite a bit weaker than Mihawk's blade.
Also, Mihawk knew he would win the fight Ubiq, since he has far more skill than Zoro. That doesn't mean that Zoro's secret technique itself wasn't better than Mihawk's own technique, which is why Mihawk believes Zoro can surpass him in the first place.
Personally, I chalk his challenge to Zoro to surpass him was based on the latter's unwillingness to retreat despite Mihawk having him at a supreme disadvantage and the courage he displayed by wanting to have Mihawk cut him down from in front of him. Zoro earned Mihawk's respect by those two actions, which is the reason that Mihawk only marked him rather than killing him outright.
They are criminals.
I didn't say that they weren't. I said that, by all appearances, a bounty requires a specific action before one is issued. There may be a generic bounty on all pirates, but raising it to a certain level requires a specific action.
Ever hear of the "head of the snake" pricinple? Cut the head of and the snake is finished. The WG is probably misjudging the rest of the crew. Aokiji even said that the WG doesn´t take them seriously yet. This will change after the current development but for now thinking only the leaders are those that need to be catched is a perfect way how people who don´t take anybody seriously would look at the situation.
See, I can understand the head of the snake principle in a large crew, but the Straw Hats only have a handful of members. Assigning them a bounty each would not be that difficult and would actually be more effective.
In a relatively large crew like Buggy's, let alone Krieg's, arresting one member here and there besides the Captain is not going to make that much difference. But in a small crew, the arrest of anybody would be very noticeable and possibly even crippling loss to the crew.
That may well be the World Government's strategy, but assigning individual bounties to everyone would be much, much more effective.
And as for why the others don´t have a bounty. I don´t consider guys like Mr. 4 and the like to be in the position to say "No way they defeated them?". True they were strong guys in BW but they don´t seem that strong as if a defeat of them would be surprising.
We really don't know that much about Mr. 4 outside of the fact that, in terms of pure strength, he is above Mr. 3, who famously took down a 50 million plus bounty. Considering that he was arrested, he must have had a criminal record of some sort and you would think that his criminal past would reflect his monstrous strength. As such, beating him should be a major action as the guy is obviously not a weakling.
Complicating things since 2009.
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It's situational, really. They need each other to survive. They're not like the "Head of the Snake" principle, but more like the "House of Cards" theory, only even taking the top card off will still collapse the whole house.
Luffy and Chopper can't swim, for example. If they fall in the water, SOMEONE has to rescue them. Sanji and Zoro have plucked Luffy from the water on several occasions.
And many other instances. If Usopp hadn't burned Luffy's shirt off in Little Garden, Miss Goldenweek could have kept him under her spell well long enough to kill Zoro, Nami, and Vivi. If Robin hadn't plucked Luffy from the sand after Crocodile impaled him, Luffy would have bled to death. There's a small chance Pell could have found Luffy on his own, but his chances of survival would have been slim.
Putting Bounties on all of them would create real problems for the Mugiwara. It would force them to think outside the box because it's a Catch-22 situation. They need to be together to survive, but being together puts them at a greater risk. Would the mugiwara have to resort to creating a fleet of ships, with each of the core members taking command of one? I don't think Luffy or Oda wants that to happen. When a group gets that big, you lose the ability to have individual character development because of time and page constraints.
As for Mihawk hitting Waldo, I'm about 80% sure he did not, or it would have shattered too. From the image, it appears that it went slightly over Mihawk's sword, with the two nameless swords hitting Mihawk's sword in an X shaped pattern, shattering them. Now, far be it from me to know everything about swords, but if Mihawk had simply held his sword there, Zoro would have been cut in half. Instead, I'm fairly sure Mihawk swung his sword in an arc; enough to slash Zoro, but not enough to dismember him. The nameless swords couldn't stand the shock of the impact and shattered upon contact.
Now, a bounty is something that directly represents a threat to the government (In OP's case, that's the Kaigun, the World Government, and the Gorosei). In RL, that's police, cops, the president, CIA, FBI. So far, Luffy has not killed… well, anyone that I can think of. Zoro KILLED Das Bones, a wanted assassin, and beat the shit out of all those Millions at Whiskey Peak. To the government, that's seen as a major crime because it makes Zoro capable of killing Marines.
Okay, even though it's a crappy Filler arc and never happened, Erik killed Vice-Admiral Nelson. Now, assuming he had survived the fall from the ship at Reverse Mountain, he would have been labeled with a decently high bounty (80 million plus). His bounty would skyrocket because of his actions. They are a threat to the peace. That's the same reason Luffy's bounty is shooting up. He's dangerously close to learning the truth behind everything. From harboring Robin to simply being a D.
Another reason no one thinks of that Zoro could have a bounty is because of Tashigi. Although Tashigi is only a Major Sargeant, she's still an officer of the marines. Zoro has assaulted her many times only to be unable to fight her.
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0.0 OK, wow, do NOT have the energy to do all the qutoing I need to do. But here goes a little.
1: I see no real indication that Mihawk is all that surprised by anything buy Zoro's ferocity when he used 3,000 worlds. I could be mistaken.
2: I thought the swords came in something of a line from each other, and Hawkeye had swerved his sword through the first blade, through Zoro, and then through the second?
3: I've only read the Viz translation on this chapter, but doesn't he say "I LEFT him alive?" that would mean he'd taken extra effort NOT to kill Zoro.
4: Has Zoro used 3,000 worlds since? (only read up through 1'st half Arlong arc, Davey Back, and Water 7)
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That's impossible, Voodzik, because that would have Split Zoro in half. When Zoro lunged forward, the spinning effect had to cease (Otherwise, the physical exertion of the move would have been nigh impossible). People cannot go straight through people, and neither can a sword without splitting it. Even when Zoro does Onigiri, he is postioned slightly to the right or left of the opponent. A common sword technique is to "slide" off your opponent by pushing off the blade, so that when you make your cut, you don't dismember or cleave them in two. This is done when you're moving forward. You slash forward, but you literally "push" away from the opponent, preventing contact with their body and still enabling the slash to connect.
The other method is to pivot or spin on the ball of one's foot for a brief moment immediately following the attack, thereby avoiding impact with the target. This is the preferred method, but Zoro is holding two swords in his hands and 1 in his mouth. If he were to spin like that, the sword in his mouth could very possibly take off one of his arms.
From Mihawk's stance after 3000 worlds connected, It looks as if he had made a half-slash in an attempt to block, shattering the two nameless swords at the point of impact and just missing Waldo.
To the naked eye, it looks as if he had his feet planted, holding his sword out. But that would have cleaved Zoro in half, no question.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
That's impossible, Voodzik, because that would have Split Zoro in half. When Zoro lunged forward, the spinning effect had to cease (Otherwise, the physical exertion of the move would have been nigh impossible). People cannot go straight through people, and neither can a sword without splitting it. Even when Zoro does Onigiri, he is postioned slightly to the right or left of the opponent. A common sword technique is to "slide" off your opponent by pushing off the blade, so that when you make your cut, you don't dismember or cleave them in two. This is done when you're moving forward. You slash forward, but you literally "push" away from the opponent, preventing contact with their body and still enabling the slash to connect.
The other method is to pivot or spin on the ball of one's foot for a brief moment immediately following the attack, thereby avoiding impact with the target. This is the preferred method, but Zoro is holding two swords in his hands and 1 in his mouth. If he were to spin like that, the sword in his mouth could very possibly take off one of his arms.
From Mihawk's stance after 3000 worlds connected, It looks as if he had made a half-slash in an attempt to block, shattering the two nameless swords at the point of impact and just missing Waldo.
To the naked eye, it looks as if he had his feet planted, holding his sword out. But that would have cleaved Zoro in half, no question.
Hakeye's sword makes an S. The cut in Zoro us at the flat part just after the first curve. And it DOES cut him in half remember? He's basically held together by his spinal cord.
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@Fire Fist:
From Mihawk's stance after 3000 worlds connected, It looks as if he had made a half-slash in an attempt to block, shattering the two nameless swords at the point of impact and just missing Waldo.
Judging by the blood spray, Mihawk actually hit Zoro twice to form a V-shaped pattern on his chest. Based on the damage done to Krieg's galleon as well as the fact that Zoro's swords broke into three sections, Mihawk may well capable of striking once, but cutting twice.
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Ubiq, please look at this page.
ClickyPlease look at the bottom two boxes. Zoro announces his secret technique and starts it out, after he starts it's spinning and such, Mihawk is looking at the technique and he is really surprised and even in a state of shock about something. You seriously think someone who's calm about someone shooting a bullet at him would sweat some guy yelling "THIS IS MY SECRET TECHNIQUE", normally he'd probably laugh at the person and say he pities them.
In this, he's literally SWEATING and his face is clenched very tight, and there is a large exclamation indicating surprise. This isn't at the fact that zoro is using his secret technique, but rather at what the technique itself is.
I've never claimed that Mihawk's sword hit Wadou Ichimonji and failed to break it, nor have I claimed that Wadou Ichimonji could withstand a hit from the worlds strongest blade wielded by the world's strongest swordsman. Instead, I'm claiming that Zoro's secret technique surpasses Mihawk's own technique because of the fact that it uses three swords, and that Zoro found a way with which to make at least one of his swords open at all times.
I seriously don't understand how you can chalk that immensely surprised face up to, "Mihawk was surprised to hear he had a secret technique." It's way more surprised than that, Mihawk's not the type to fret over someone CLAIMING to have a good secret technique. He was surprised at what he actually saw rather than what he heard.
This depicts the defeat of Zoro, where he admits he cannot win and sheathes the Wadou Ichimonji, the only one of his swords remaining unbroken.
Look at the scene and specifically at the positioning and implied movement of Mihawk. You are correct that Mihawk can easily dodge Zoro's attack, which is what I'm saying he did.
The point is that when Zoro is near Mihawk's skill level, Mihawk won't be able to defeat the secret technique just by striking Zoro and then avoiding Zoro's own slice to avoid the opening that Zoro creates using his secret technique, because Zoro will have near the same reaction time and movement capabilities as Mihawk. Whereas in this fight, he's nowhere near that level.
Also, I agree with you that his slice is more of a V.
I personally believe that Mihawk has the uncanny ability to immediately understand a sword technique that his opponent is going to use, and that when he saw this technique he understood that it had the potential to surpass him. That's all I'm really arguing.
If you look, Mihawk is on the opposite side of the way that Ichimongi is facing, letting him avoid that blade's attack. By the end of the series I believe Zoro will have compensated for this somehow. Also, Mihawk is already charging when Zoro starts his technique, he's not just standing there, then, while charging as he sees that technique, he is surprised to the point of sweating.
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See, I can understand the head of the snake principle in a large crew, but the Straw Hats only have a handful of members. Assigning them a bounty each would not be that difficult and would actually be more effective.
In a relatively large crew like Buggy's, let alone Krieg's, arresting one member here and there besides the Captain is not going to make that much difference. But in a small crew, the arrest of anybody would be very noticeable and possibly even crippling loss to the crew.
That may well be the World Government's strategy, but assigning individual bounties to everyone would be much, much more effective.
I understand where you´re coming from. I don´t even disagree that it could be more effective, but you have to see it from the point of view of an arrogant World Government. Even it is a small crew the head of the snake principle would apply here then. That´s where the WG itself is mistaken.
We really don't know that much about Mr. 4 outside of the fact that, in terms of pure strength, he is above Mr. 3, who famously took down a 50 million plus bounty. Considering that he was arrested, he must have had a criminal record of some sort and you would think that his criminal past would reflect his monstrous strength. As such, beating him should be a major action as the guy is obviously not a weakling.
True that we don´t know much about him but the sole fact that he is ranked below Mr. 3 though he is stronger then him shows that something can´t be right with this guy. He might have strenght but that is nothing without control. Hence he gets a lower rank which already includes the subliminal message "this guy is strong but that´s about it".
Of all the BW agent pairings he is the only guy who doesn´t lead his pair. He had to be told by Miss Merrychristmas what to do the entire time. Without someone to command him he would be much less of a threat. That´s enough to consider him not a sinister adversary. A strong guy yes, but not a lethal killer that is hard to beat. And if you take the arrogant WG into consideration again then it fits all together as to why Mr. 4 could be considered as not as much a problem as Crocodile or Daz.
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Points on Zoro and Milhawk
Zoro is 17 and is one of the best swordsman in the world at that age and he has loads of time to perfect the 3 sword style meanwhile milhawk is edging 40 and is the best and he saw that zoro would be as awesome as him and he didnt kill him as he wanted zoro to train and beat him and take the mantle off him.
At Baratie zoro had only dealed with defeating low level opponets –- he struggled with that cat dude in the Kuro Arc but after Baratie he changed
evident in him nearly wasting everyone in Arlong Park except for Arlong with Sanjis help -
Points on Zoro and Milhawk
Zoro is 17 and is one of the best swordsman in the world at that age and he has loads of time to perfect the 3 sword style meanwhile milhawk is edging 40 and is the best and he saw that zoro would be as awesome as him and he didnt kill him as he wanted zoro to train and beat him and take the mantle off him.
At Baratie zoro had only dealed with defeating low level opponets –- he struggled with that cat dude in the Kuro Arc but after Baratie he changed
evident in him nearly wasting everyone in Arlong Park except for Arlong with Sanjis helpZoro is 19. We have no clue how old Mihawk is.
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retarded discussion ahoy
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This is the result of going chapterless for so long, cap'n, it's a cabin fever of sorts and I'm very badly infected.
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Yes, it even make us not grammer in post good.
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My grammar's fine, ossan.
ONCE YOU'RE GRAMMAR IS GONE, YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT.
(tehehe)
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What if when a Human eats the Hito Hito no Mi, he doesn't change into anything, but can still communicate with the animals? I think if that's the case then it's a pretty good fruit.
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Read. The. Friggin. Topic. Before. Posting.
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@Oro:
What if when a Human eats the Hito Hito no Mi, he doesn't change into anything, but can still communicate with the animals? I think if that's the case then it's a pretty good fruit.
Your making a confusion with Hiso Hiso no mi that's the one that let talk to animals
Hito Hito no mi gives animals human characteristics or in case a human eats it it transforms human in enlightened being just like Oda said
The weakest fruit yet might just be Bane Bane no mi (in case the user is a guy called Bellamy) :laugh:
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Hiso Hiso no Mi was a filler fruit, so technically it doesn't exist, but I get the impression that it didn't interpret an animal's language, it allowed telepathic abilities.
Telepathy transcends all languages, really. Because it's actually symbols transmitted silently to the brain, they're all interpreted, regardless of what language you or the other person speaks.
The Samu Samu fruit is the weakest. XD Oda said so in an SBS.
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Samu….sorry, I'm learning Japanese bit by bit but I don't know that word yet
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Samu means Chilly. It's a joke, because someone wrote in an early SBS:
Q. Help, Oda-sensei! Yesterday, I ate a devil fruit, and since then, all the jokes I've told are flops. I dunno what to do!
O: Ah, you must have eaten the Samu-Samu (Chilly-Chilly) Fruit. When you eat it, bad (chilly) jokes come from your mouth. It's like being kicked in the face… and then stepped on! Haha! Go ahead, laugh!
